O’Brien Explains What Type Of Quarterback He Wants

[HOU-TEX]

How do you fix Schaub? He has been bad for long period of time whether mental or physical. Cannot just hope he shows up in September "better".

Maybe, but there isn't much out there that's better. Like I said, I'm no fan of Schaubs. I just don't see one of these veteran FAs or average to below average rookies making us instantly better at the position. Unless we're willing to trade for another teams back up.

I think (and someone correct me if wrong) that the financial impact would hit us harder if we kept him another year and released him than if we did it this season with the June 1st cuts. So keeping him as a placehold with a stronger cap hit in 2015 (or dead money I should say) compared to releasing him post June 1st in moving forward makes it seem that it just makes more sense football and financial wise to move from Schaub.

Not to mention the city may grab pitch forks and torches to march on McNair, heh.

I reckon there are several ways to massage the numbers to make it reasonable.

Again, I want a new QB. I also want the new QB to be better than what we have

 

[Insideop]

I was just thinking about our QB situation on the way back to the office. Don't hate on me too much. I'm not a fan of doing this with our QBs, but here goes...

I've considered how poor the QB FA class is this year as well as how I don't like the top 3-4 QBs in this draft at #1-1. If OB and crew think the same, I wouldn't be surprised if Schaub was retained for another year. Yes, I know, I'm a tard for saying it.

If we were to do this and there's ne trade out of #1, I'd choose Clowney. Draft a QB with 'potential' in the 2nd (Mettenberger, Murry, McCarron, Carr *vomit*, etc.). Schaub (vomit again), Yates and one of the above will be the QBs going into this season.

Be easy, now. lol

The only reason I'd keep Schaub would be to help get Teddy Bridgewater up to speed and slowly work him in. Too me, getting Mettenberger, Murray, or McCarron would be like getting Scahub (game managers) when they are rookies, and as for Carr, well, I don't want part of HWSNBN pt 2. I know Mettenberger and Carr have much stronger arms than Schaub but I don't think they have the head for the game. Murray and McCarron are more mobile than Schaub and may have better arms, but I just look at them as "game managers." I don't want that again. I want a "franchise QB." I think TB has the potential to be that. Is he Luck, Manning, or Elway? No, but given a little time, I think he could be a Rodgers or Brees type.

I just don't like the idea of drafting ey, and I definitely don't like the idea of spending a 2nd rd pick to get Mallet from NE and drafting a QB in the 3rd. JMO!

 

[thunderkyss]

I've considered how poor the QB FA class is this year as well as how I don't like the top 3-4 QBs in this draft at #1-1. If OB and crew think the same, I wouldn't be surprised if Schaub was retained for another year.

What would be the point?

I'm not a Schaub hater, but... if he's got his head straight, best case scenario we make it past the divisional round & we're hoping everything can be perfect again for the 2015 season so we can have a shot again.

Worst case scenario, we're two games into the season (ala 2013) before it's obvious to everyone that he's not fixed. Now we're paying him $14M to be our back up QB again, blocking another viable option (Tj) from seeing the field.

I personally don't like any QB in this draft at 1-1 either, but..... I'm coming to terms with the possibility that there may not be a better choice. However, I like several QBs in this draft. I'd love any of the big 3 outside the top 10. Derek Carr past 15. I like Boyd, Mett, & McCarron at the top of the 2nd. I like Logan Thomas in the third, love him for a fourth.

But either way, Matt Schaub is gone. Tj, Case, & the rookie can compete for the job & I'll hope for the best. But if Josh McCown or Josh Freeman could be had for $3M or less I'd rather them playing for us, instead of some rookie.


Wouldn't it be something if Rick Smith & OB grades Case Keenum equal to Bridgewater, Manziel, & Bortles?

 

[kiwitexansfan]

If Schaub can be 'fixed' and plays at what we know is his best, we can be back in the playoffs next year.

 

[thunderkyss]

Schaub's base salary in 2014 is $10M (possibly an additional $1M from other Bonus if it's a roster bonus). This is the money we save by releasing him THIS YEAR.

No. Matt's cap number (salary ($10M), roster bonus ($1M), & prorated bonus ($3.5M)) is $14.5M there is still $10.5M from Matt's signing bonus that has not been accounted for against our cap. The difference of those two numbers, $4M, is what we would save

Making him a June 1 cut only shifts $7M of dead money from 2014 to 2015, incidentally when we need it most. While it looks like there is a lot of cap room in 2015 already, it won't be there after required additions for the 2014 and 2015 seasons (Draft picks, FAs and Salary adjustments to make the required roster limits).

There are other moves that can be & at that time probably should be made..... we may have to cut Jjo ($8.5M), Myers ($6M), & Foster ($4M). Added to the $10M we save by cutting Schaub (even considering the $7M dead money) our cap space goes up $28.5M for a total in excess of $43M

This is chess, not checkers, in the Front Office. You have to look ahead several moves.

Exactly, we can't get hung up on $7M preparing for something we may never have to pay.

Incidentally, this is why I suggested cutting him and resigning him over renegotiating his contract if we wanted him in 2014. ANY extension of the current contract advances $7M of the dead money into 2015.

Incidentally, you're still wrong. Asking him to take a paycut is not the same as renegotiating a contract. There will be no "advances $7M of dead money into 2015" if Schaub plays for the Texans in 2014. The rest of his contract is still intact.

He's got a cap number of $17M for 2015 & $19M for 2016. We can designate him a June 1, 2015 cut & we'd only have to count $3.5M against both numbers.

Asking him to renegotiate can save $4M off his 2014 cap number, maybe more if Rick Smith can really stick it to him.

 

[thunderkyss]

The only reason I'd keep Schaub would be to help get Teddy Bridgewater up to speed and slowly work him in. Too me, getting Mettenberger, Murray, or McCarron would be like getting Scahub (game managers) when they are rookies, and as for Carr, well, I don't want part of HWSNBN pt 2. I know Mettenberger and Carr have much stronger arms than Schaub but I don't think they have the head for the game. Murray and McCarron are more mobile than Schaub and may have better arms, but I just look at them as "game managers." I don't want that again. I want a "franchise QB." I think TB has the potential to be that. Is he Luck, Manning, or Elway? No, but given a little time, I think he could be a Rodgers or Brees type.

I just don't like the idea of drafting ey, and I definitely don't like the idea of spending a 2nd rd pick to get Mallet from NE and drafting a QB in the 3rd. JMO!

Tom Brady won 3 Super Bowls as a game manager. He's won none since becoming "the GOAT"

Rothlisberger won his first SuperBowl as a game manager.

Flacco.... game manager.

There's nothing wrong with a game manager if he's got some plus ability. For Brady & Roethlisberger, it was their ability to extend plays & make plays downfield. Flacco was probably the best QB of the group when he won his first Super Bowl... more plays from the pocket.

Trent Dilfer & Brad Johnson were on the lower end of the spectrum when talking about "game managers."

 

[Marshall]

No. Matt's cap number (salary ($10M), roster bonus ($1M), & prorated bonus ($3.5M)) is $14.5M there is still $10.5M from Matt's signing bonus that has not been accounted for against our cap. The difference of those two numbers, $4M, is what we would save




There are other moves that can be & at that time probably should be made..... we may have to cut Jjo ($8.5M), Myers ($6M), & Foster ($4M). Added to the $10M we save by cutting Schaub (even considering the $7M dead money) our cap space goes up $28.5M for a total in excess of $43M



Exactly, we can't get hung up on $7M preparing for something we may never have to pay.



Incidentally, you're still wrong. Asking him to take a paycut is not the same as renegotiating a contract. There will be no "advances $7M of dead money into 2015" if Schaub plays for the Texans in 2014. The rest of his contract is still intact.

He's got a cap number of $17M for 2015 & $19M for 2016. We can designate him a June 1, 2015 cut & we'd only have to count $3.5M against both numbers.

Asking him to renegotiate can save $4M off his 2014 cap number, maybe more if Rick Smith can really stick it to him.

There is $10.5M in signing bonus dead money. That is gone, regardless of how we restructure or cut. With the contract in place, $3.5 M of the dead money will be payable in 2014 and in ADDITION, his $10M salary and $1M roster bonus. The relief of this Salary and Roster bonus is the only real savings on the contract in 2014. All future Salaries and Roster bonuses will also be gone, but his Dead money from his signing bonus will remain. If he is a June 1 cut, the $3.5M for 2014 still accrues, but the remaining $7M is deferred until 2015. If his contract is renegotiated, His dead money for 2015 will be $7M unless extended into 2016 (In which case $3.5M for each year in dead money - still $7M). In any event, it is just transferred from year to year, not eliminated. Any salary would be above the current cost of the contract if terminated.

The $4M represents the Salary $10M and Roster bonus $1M and $3.5M Signing bonus Total of $14.5M minus the remaining Signing Bonus (or dead money) of $10.5M. If you don't cut him, the remaining $7M dead money is shifted to 2015 or 2015 and 2016.

You can't mix and match obligations any more than you can mix assets and liabilities and come up with a valid and meaningful number. The salary and Roster bonuses can be eliminated by cutting Schaub, the dead money can't. That can only be shifted or allocated to different years according to the terms of the Master agreement.

 

[thunderkyss]

You can't mix and match obligations any more than you can mix assets and liabilities and come up with a valid and meaningful number. The salary and Roster bonuses can be eliminated by cutting Schaub, the dead money can't. That can only be shifted or allocated to different years according to the terms of the Master agreement.

No one is asking him to renegotiate. We want him to take a pay cut. That salary you're talking about... knock it down from $10M to $4M. We add $6M to our cap.

We cut him after the season is over, designated as a June 1st cut. His cap hit for 2015 is only $3.5M. His cap hit for 2016 is $3.5M.

No need to cut him, then resign him. Not pushing anything into the future, that isn't already accounted for already in the future. We gain $13.5M towards our 2015 cap. We gain $15.5M towards our 2016 cap.


You want us to cut him, take the $10M hit, then pay him $4M for 2014. He'll still have the same $4M "cap hit" what would be the point?

We'd be better off to just let him play out his contract as is.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

If Schaub can be 'fixed' and plays at what we know is his best, we can be back in the playoffs next year.

He's already been neutered.........what more do you want to put the poor guy through?

 

[kiwitexansfan]

He's already been neutered.........what more do you want to put the poor guy through?

CnD, is his foot healed? Will it be better this year?

In your opinion does he have a physical thing or just a head thing ailing him?

 

[infantrycak]

CnD, is his foot healed? Will it be better this year?

In your opinion does he have a physical thing or just a head thing ailing him?

From prior CnD discussions - Schaub's injury is healed. BUT it is the kind of injury which leaves the foot subject to fatigue over the course of a season with a degenerating recovery cycle. So to illustrate with numbers (totally made up), during offseason #1 he will get back to 95% and then as the season progresses go down to 50% then in offseason #2 he will get back to 90% and then as the season progresses go down to 45%, and so on. It isn't a new injury or a re-injury, it is just a degenerative state.

 

[Marshall]

No one is asking him to renegotiate. We want him to take a pay cut. That salary you're talking about... knock it down from $10M to $4M. We add $6M to our cap.

We cut him after the season is over, designated as a June 1st cut. His cap hit for 2015 is only $3.5M. His cap hit for 2016 is $3.5M.

No need to cut him, then resign him. Not pushing anything into the future, that isn't already accounted for already in the future. We gain $13.5M towards our 2015 cap. We gain $15.5M towards our 2016 cap.


You want us to cut him, take the $10M hit, then pay him $4M for 2014. He'll still have the same $4M "cap hit" what would be the point?

We'd be better off to just let him play out his contract as is.

I never said pay him $4M. The only thing we could do to eliminate, rather than defer dead money is to renegotiate his contract to one year and take the hit in 2014. But that would still entail paying him $10.5M and whatever salary required for a veteran of his experience. I think the problem we have is about shifting the dead money. I'd take the hit in 2014 rather than shift it to the future.

But I'm a patient guy and many aren't. So spend spend spend and gripe in the future about lack of cap space. Even gripe about it being all Ricks fault for mismanaging the cap. It's what many do anyway.

 

[infantrycak]

I never said pay him $4M. The only thing we could do to eliminate, rather than defer dead money is to renegotiate his contract to one year and take the hit in 2014. But that would still entail paying him $10.5M and whatever salary required for a veteran of his experience. I think the problem we have is about shifting the dead money. I'd take the hit in 2014 rather than shift it to the future.

Not going to happen but they could knock his salary down to league min. for next season and leave everything else in place as is - they do not have to do a new 1 year deal.

Actually what they would be doing is eliminating the per game roster bonus next season which is what folks are citing as his salary.

 

[Marshall]

Not going to happen but they could knock his salary down to league min. for next season and leave everything else in place as is - they do not have to do a new 1 year deal.

Actually what they would be doing is eliminating the per game roster bonus next season which is what folks are citing as his salary.

Leaving his contract in place just defers $7M of his dead money. But we're just talking in circles now, so I give up. Just see what happens and if his contract remains in place, then I'll join the chorus that wants Rick gone for being incompetent.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

CnD, is his foot healed? Will it be better this year?

In your opinion does he have a physical thing or just a head thing ailing him?

From prior CnD discussions - Schaub's injury is healed. BUT it is the kind of injury which leaves the foot subject to fatigue over the course of a season with a degenerating recovery cycle. So to illustrate with numbers (totally made up), during offseason #1 he will get back to 95% and then as the season progresses go down to 50% then in offseason #2 he will get back to 90% and then as the season progresses go down to 45%, and so on. It isn't a new injury or a re-injury, it is just a degenerative state.

Cak has given a simplified yet pretty accurate summary of my previous analyses. To add to this, I would say that anyone who sees their body physically "degenerating" before their eyes will empirically suffer from degenerating confidence. Where the body goes, the "head" quickly follows. At one point in time, taking a chance on such a player, especially a QB who has never been considered "elite" to begin with, for even just a short stint will prove itself nothing but potentially catastrophic. I wouldn't touch Schaub now under any circumstances.

 

[thunderkyss]

I never said pay him $4M. The only thing we could do to eliminate, rather than defer dead money is to renegotiate his contract to one year and take the hit in 2014. But that would still entail paying him $10.5M and whatever salary required for a veteran of his experience. I think the problem we have is about shifting the dead money. I'd take the hit in 2014 rather than shift it to the future.

This is where I get lost.

If we cut him, why do we have to pay him $10.5M?

If he plays under his current contract, we pay him $10.5M. His cap number would be $14.5M because of the $1M roster bonus & $3.5M pro-rated signing bonus.

If we cut him & take the full hit, $10.5M of dead money hits our cap because of money already paid to Schaub that hasn't been accounted for. $3.5M/yr for the remaining years (3) of the contract.

If we then sign him for vet minimum (which I believe is $1M) that will take away from the $4M we save by cutting him. 2014's cap is increased by $3M, but we gain $17M on the 2015 cap & $19M on the 2016 cap.

I said to pay him $4M. Renegotiate his current contract. Cut him in 2015. We then gain $6M for 2014...... we need as much as we can for 2014 if we're going to field a 53 man roster, regardless of whether we sign Jj in the future or not, we've got to field a team in 2014.

Doing it this way, we gain $6M towards the 2014 cap instead of the $4M by straight cutting Schaub. We would gain $14M on the 2015 cap & $16M on the 2016 cap.

If we make him a 2014 June 1st cut, we gain $11M in 2014, $10M in 2015, & $19M in 2016.

So, since we're playing chess now:

1. Take the hit in 2014
   2014 +$4M, 2015 +$17M, 2016 +$19M
2. June 1, 2014 cut
   2014 +$11M, 2015 +$10M, 2016 +$19M
3. Renegotiate & cut June 1, 2015
   2014 +$6M, 2015 +$15M, 2016 +$16M

It's just my opinion, but if the main concern is freeing up money for Jj Watt, as the Texans I would pick up his 5th year & offer him a big contract in 2016 or franchise him in 2016. Making him a 2014 June 1st cut maximizes our cap in both 2014 & 2016.

 

[beerlover]

What do you guys think, does Matt Schaub take the money & run or will he be willing to restructure (give back to lesson cap hit) & remain the Texans back-up QB? could be a win win... certainly he owes the franchise & the franchise owes him

 

[thunderkyss]

What do you guys think, does Matt Schaub take the money & run or will he be willing to restructure (give back to lesson cap hit) & remain the Texans back-up QB? could be a win win... certainly he owes the franchise & the franchise owes him

I don't know.... if I had "fans" showing up at my house being ugly, & "fans" cheering when I get injured..... then got benched by a guy who can't read a blitz....

I'd take my chances elsewhere.

 

[Playoffs]

What do you guys think, does Matt Schaub take the money & run or...

He can't run.

 

[beerlover]

I don't know.... if I had "fans" showing up at my house being ugly, & "fans" cheering when I get injured..... then got benched by a guy who can't read a blitz....

I'd take my chances elsewhere.

Winning solves everything but understand City is out on him. He could prove useful in back-up role only, not as a starter. Certainly better insurance than another Matt (Leinart).

 

[beerlover]

He can't run.

your a cold dude

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Cak has given a simplified yet pretty accurate summary of my previous analyses. To add to this, I would say that anyone who sees their body physically "degenerating" before their eyes will empirically suffer from degenerating confidence. Where the body goes, the "head" quickly follows. At one point in time, taking a chance on such a player, especially a QB who has never been considered "elite" to begin with, for even just a short stint will prove itself nothing but potentially catastrophic. I wouldn't touch Schaub now under any circumstances.

Not going to happen but they could knock his salary down to league min. for next season and leave everything else in place as is - they do not have to do a new 1 year deal.

Actually what they would be doing is eliminating the per game roster bonus next season which is what folks are citing as his salary.

In that case, do not want.

 

[Marshall]

This is where I get lost.

If we cut him, why do we have to pay him $10.5M?

If he plays under his current contract, we pay him $10.5M. His cap number would be $14.5M because of the $1M roster bonus & $3.5M pro-rated signing bonus.

If we cut him & take the full hit, $10.5M of dead money hits our cap because of money already paid to Schaub that hasn't been accounted for. $3.5M/yr for the remaining years (3) of the contract.

If we then sign him for vet minimum (which I believe is $1M) that will take away from the $4M we save by cutting him. 2014's cap is increased by $3M, but we gain $17M on the 2015 cap & $19M on the 2016 cap.

I said to pay him $4M. Renegotiate his current contract. Cut him in 2015. We then gain $6M for 2014...... we need as much as we can for 2014 if we're going to field a 53 man roster, regardless of whether we sign Jj in the future or not, we've got to field a team in 2014.

Doing it this way, we gain $6M towards the 2014 cap instead of the $4M by straight cutting Schaub. We would gain $14M on the 2015 cap & $16M on the 2016 cap.

If we make him a 2014 June 1st cut, we gain $11M in 2014, $10M in 2015, & $19M in 2016.

So, since we're playing chess now:

1. Take the hit in 2014
   2014 +$4M, 2015 +$17M, 2016 +$19M
2. June 1, 2014 cut
   2014 +$11M, 2015 +$10M, 2016 +$19M
3. Renegotiate & cut June 1, 2015
   2014 +$6M, 2015 +$15M, 2016 +$16M

It's just my opinion, but if the main concern is freeing up money for Jj Watt, as the Texans I would pick up his 5th year & offer him a big contract in 2016 or franchise him in 2016. Making him a 2014 June 1st cut maximizes our cap in both 2014 & 2016.

If we cut him, why do we have to pay him $10.5M?

Because he has $10.5M remaining dead money derived from his $14 signing bonus to account for ($3.5M was counted against the 2013 Cap). Currently, it would be divided between 2014, 2015 and 2016 @ $3.5M per year. If the player is cut normally, then all his remaining signing bonus is counted against the current years cap. In the case of Schaub, it would be $10.5M. The exception would be to make him a June 1 cut which then count $3.5M against 2014 and $7M against 2015. Essentially shifting $7M of a normal cut in 2014 ahead to 2015. The total cap hit remains the same. The hit is just shifted to different years.

Any change to his Base Salary and/or his Roster bonus must entail renegotiating his contract. But if cut, it all goes away. Nothing done there affects the dead money. Just additional money he could earn above dead money.

Not knowing the details, I assume there is no remaining guaranteed money outside of his signing bonus. (This is an area where litigation takes place. Is there a guarantee against injury and is this an injury related cut? That sort of thing)

If we then sign him for vet minimum (which I believe is $1M) that will take away from the $4M we save by cutting him. 2014's cap is increased by $3M, but we gain $17M on the 2015 cap & $19M on the 2016 cap.


Your on track here.

So, since we're playing chess now:

1. Take the hit in 2014
   2014 +$4M, 2015 +$17M, 2016 +$19M

1. 
   
   Total Cap Savings
   2014 $14.5M minus $10.5M DM or $4m as you say
   2015 $13.5M 12.5M Salary plus $1M Roster or $13.5M ($3.5M was shifted to 2014)
   2016 $14.5M Salary plus $1M Roster or $15.5M ($3.5M was shifted to 2014)
   Total Cap Savings $30M
   
   [*]June 1, 2014 cut
   2014 +$11M, 2015 +$10M, 2016 +$19M
   Total Cap Savings $30M
   
   [*]Renegotiate & cut June 1, 2015
   2014 +$6M, 2015 +$15M, 2016 +$16M
   This is where your numbers get confused:
   There will be $3.5M dead money and at least $1M minimum Salary.
   The total Cap Savings will be reduced to $29M because of the $1M Salary.
   Being a June 1 2015 cut just moves $3.5M DM from 2015 to 2016 so your total savings of $37M is not accounted for properly. Something in your cap savings is counted twice.

 

[thunderkyss]

If we cut him, why do we have to pay him $10.5M?

Because he has $10.5M remaining dead money derived from his $14 signing bonus to account for ($3.5M was counted against the 2013 Cap). Currently, it would be divided between 2014, 2015 and 2016 @ $3.5M per year. If the player is cut normally, then all his remaining signing bonus is counted against the current years cap.

Ok... I think it's a semantics thing. You're saying we would "pay" him, which isn't technically correct. That money is already paid to him, we just have to account for it on our cap.

What I'm saying, is if we cut him take the hit in 2014, then resign him, whatever salary we pay him will be in addition to the $10.5M dead money hit we're already taking for him. So instead of taking a $14M cap hit to let him play out his contract, we'll take at least an $11M cap hit to cut then resign him.

Any change to his Base Salary and/or his Roster bonus must entail renegotiating his contract. But if cut, it all goes away. Nothing done there affects the dead money. Just additional money he could earn above dead money.

Right... sorry, this is what I just said above.

So, since we're playing chess now:

1. Take the hit in 2014
   2014 +$4M, 2015 +$17M, 2016 +$19M

1. 
   
   Total Cap Savings
   2014 $14.5M minus $10.5M DM or $4m as you say
   2015 $13.5M 12.5M Salary plus $1M Roster or $13.5M ($3.5M was shifted to 2014)
   2016 $14.5M Salary plus $1M Roster or $15.5M ($3.5M was shifted to 2014)
   Total Cap Savings $30M

1. 
   
   Right now Schaub counts for $17M against the 2015 cap, & $19M against the 2016 cap. If we take the full $10.5 dead money hit in 2014, the entire value of his contract comes off in 2015 & 2016
   
   

   [*]June 1, 2014 cut
   2014 +$11M, 2015 +$10M, 2016 +$19M
   Total Cap Savings $30M
   
   [*]Renegotiate & cut June 1, 2015
   2014 +$6M, 2015 +$15M, 2016 +$16M
   This is where your numbers get confused:
   There will be $3.5M dead money and at least $1M minimum Salary.
   The total Cap Savings will be reduced to $29M because of the $1M Salary.
   Being a June 1 2015 cut just moves $3.5M DM from 2015 to 2016 so your total savings of $37M is not accounted for properly. Something in your cap savings is counted twice.

Same reasoning as above. Click on the 2015 & 2016 tabs.... I'm not calculating these numbers in my head, these are their numbers. Go to the 2014 tab & click the submit button under cut, you can see how all the numbers change for the 2014, 2015, & 2016 cap.

Click unsubmit. Then select June 1st cut, see how the numbers change.

 

[Goldensilence]

I don't really see the point of retaining Schuab unless O'Brien feels like the can make him serviceable for next year. Other than that his contract is going to be nothing short of an albatross for this franchise.

O'Brien might be familiar with Mallet but, what kind of real upgrade are we getting? And for what price tag? The draft pick wouldn't bother me much as what kind of contract we could be looking at.

Clowney at #1 bothers me for a player who I am not sure about his motor, but his measureables are through the roof. Reminds me of Mario Williams all over again. Also where do we play him and find him PT over Smith? So we draft a part time player at #1? Why?

I'm more of a Bridgewater guy. I think he's got it in between the ears more than any of the other prospects this year. If O'Brien likes Bortles better than go with him. Either way to me it's pretty clear this team needs to figure out the QB position long term.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Interesting tweets.

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN Jan 22

Talking with several scouts & experts, all said Derek Carr is either most talented player at #SeniorBowl or will be 1st player there drafted

Gus ‏@TheGustavoDiaz 2h

@JPalmerCSN no way the #Texans draft D.Carr hell no!!

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 2h

@TheGustavoDiaz they said first player THERE (at the senior bowl) drafted. Not first player drafted.

 

[Brisco_County]

My prediction: At the Combine interviews, Bill O'Brien falls in love with Bridgewater.

 

[Insideop]

My prediction: At the Combine interviews, Bill O'Brien falls in love with Bridgewater.

I think that's a pretty good prediction! And, I hope it comes true!

 

[Insideop]

Tom Brady won 3 Super Bowls as a game manager. He's won none since becoming "the GOAT"

Rothlisberger won his first SuperBowl as a game manager.

Flacco.... game manager.

There's nothing wrong with a game manager if he's got some plus ability. For Brady & Roethlisberger, it was their ability to extend plays & make plays downfield. Flacco was probably the best QB of the group when he won his first Super Bowl... more plays from the pocket.

Trent Dilfer & Brad Johnson were on the lower end of the spectrum when talking about "game managers."

OK. Yes, all QB's are game managers to some extent. But, the QB's I mentioned in my previous post are the one's I feel that are missing some of that "plus ability" you talked about, whether it's something physical or mental.

 

[Number19]

...I think he's (Bridgewater) got it in between the ears more than any of the other prospects this year. If O'Brien likes Bortles better than go with him. Either way to me it's pretty clear this team needs to figure out the QB position long term.

My prediction: At the Combine interviews, Bill O'Brien falls in love with Bridgewater.

I don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but this radio interview with Brett Kollmann is an excellant analysis of O'Brien's offense and what it requires of the QB.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/?podcas...=true&config_file=config.xml&dcid=CBS.HOUSTON

 

[drs23]

I don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but this radio interview with Brett Kollmann is an excellant analysis of O'Brien's offense and what it requires of the QB.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/?podcas...=true&config_file=config.xml&dcid=CBS.HOUSTON

It has been and I'm pretty sure mussop heard it.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but this radio interview with Brett Kollmann is an excellant analysis of O'Brien's offense and what it requires of the QB.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/?podcas...=true&config_file=config.xml&dcid=CBS.HOUSTON

Listening to Kollmann, O'Brien's offensive ability to option almost unlimited in scope at the line falls right into line with what Keenum was allowed and led to his success at U of H. It will be interesting to see if O'Brien finds Keenum a QB he can feel comfortable with.

 

[badboy]

Listening to Kollmann, O'Brien's offensive ability to option almost unlimited in scope at the line falls right into line with what Keenum was allowed and led to his success at U of H. It will be interesting to see if O'Brien finds Keenum a QB he can feel comfortable with.

Good point Doc and Keenum has always been good student of game.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Something interesting but...

In one of OB's early interviews, he mentioned that he'd already met Case and Schaub. And he's said he believes that he can adapt/build his offense around any sort of QB.

I wonder if he'll forego drafting a QB until later rounds and throw everyone a curveball.

It would be interesting to see what he could do with Mettenberger.

 

[Number19]

Listening to Kollmann, O'Brien's offensive ability to option almost unlimited in scope at the line falls right into line with what Keenum was allowed and led to his success at U of H. It will be interesting to see if O'Brien finds Keenum a QB he can feel comfortable with.

Careful there, I was asking this about a week or so ago, not in so much detail, and really got savaged for this heresy.

 

[b0ng]

Listening to Kollmann, O'Brien's offensive ability to option almost unlimited in scope at the line falls right into line with what Keenum was allowed and led to his success at U of H. It will be interesting to see if O'Brien finds Keenum a QB he can feel comfortable with.

He could surprise us and go with one of Case or Schaub as the week one starter, but I have doubts that O'Brien would tip his hand this early as to whether he believes the 2014 starter is already on the roster or not. I want to use the phrase "playing close to their vest" in the coming months when houstontexans.com starts putting out pieces on current players and possible draft picks. I doubt the org or O'Brien himself will really put out whom they feel will be the top pick unless it's a slam-dunk sort of proposition (Like one of Manziel, Teddy, or Clowney cements themselves at the Combine and pro-days).

 

[Marshall]

Ok... I think it's a semantics thing. You're saying we would "pay" him, which isn't technically correct. That money is already paid to him, we just have to account for it on our cap.

What I'm saying, is if we cut him take the hit in 2014, then resign him, whatever salary we pay him will be in addition to the $10.5M dead money hit we're already taking for him. So instead of taking a $14M cap hit to let him play out his contract, we'll take at least an $11M cap hit to cut then resign him.



Right... sorry, this is what I just said above.



Right now Schaub counts for $17M against the 2015 cap, & $19M against the 2016 cap. If we take the full $10.5 dead money hit in 2014, the entire value of his contract comes off in 2015 & 2016



Same reasoning as above. Click on the 2015 & 2016 tabs.... I'm not calculating these numbers in my head, these are their numbers. Go to the 2014 tab & click the submit button under cut, you can see how all the numbers change for the 2014, 2015, & 2016 cap.

Click unsubmit. Then select June 1st cut, see how the numbers change.

I don't trust spreadsheets for the finished product. It's too easy to mess up an algorithm during the setup. It's possible that happened here or there was an entry made which overwrote the algorithm. But from a Contract and accounting standpoint, you can't manipulate greater savings than the entire contract started with. That $30M will only go down with any additional base salary, whether renegotiated or a new contract.

 

[Marshall]

Careful there, I was asking this about a week or so ago, not in so much detail, and really got savaged for this heresy.

I don't understand why some people think any area star has to be bad and only "foreign" stars are talented. Simple attendance at UH is sufficient for many to dismiss him.

 

[DX-TEX]

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2014/1...-draft-charlie-strong-and-the-upcoming-season

On why it's important to him to be the No. 1 pick:

"I've been purpose-driven my whole life, and I've had to make many sacrifices. Whether it was not going to school to take care of my mom when she was going through breast cancer treatment or telling the University of Louisville that I didn't want a Heisman campaign, because I've always been taught to sacrifice personal glory for team success. I just feel that with all my sacrifices and everything, that this is the time. I just want to be that guy."

With that one line BOB just got QB wood.

Welcome to Houston Teddy!

 

[Playoffs]

With that one line BOB just got QB wood.

Welcome to Houston Teddy!

Do we have to say QB wood? Is there a less uncomfortable term we can use amongst manly men to describe an affinity for a particular player?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Do we have to say QB wood? Is there a less uncomfortable term we can use amongst manly men to describe an affinity for a particular player?

No.

 

[ObsiWan]

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2014/1...-draft-charlie-strong-and-the-upcoming-season



With that one line BOB just got QB wood.

Welcome to Houston Teddy!

Yeah... you might be right.
But I'm sure O'Brien will wait to see what TB does at the combine before asking him to go steady

 

[badboy]

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2014/1...-draft-charlie-strong-and-the-upcoming-season



With that one line BOB just got QB wood.

Welcome to Houston Teddy!

Don't we already have a QB with cancer awareness, that did mouth off about his personal glory, etc? All fine but does not get the ball deep or accurate.

 

[DX-TEX]

Do we have to say QB wood? Is there a less uncomfortable term we can use amongst manly men to describe an affinity for a particular player?

Just accept it. I have this weird feeling for JJ. Man crushes are real

 

[_King_]

You're just curious.

 

[ChampionTexan]

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2014/1...-draft-charlie-strong-and-the-upcoming-season



With that one line BOB just got QB wood.

Welcome to Houston Teddy!

Do we have to say QB wood? Is there a less uncomfortable term we can use amongst manly men to describe an affinity for a particular player?

HC wood?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Everyone seems concentrated on what type of QB OB is going to want. My concern at this point in time is what he intends to do about the OL scheme and personnel. Seems like all the top teams/QBs are playing with strong OL. It does no good to have a QB that spends most of his time watching from the sidelines. My concern is that our OL be the protective equivalent of a condom that is unlikely to ever break. OB's curious and weak choice of Dunn as the OL "supervisor" now worries me that we will have someone potentially saboutaging our best condoms money can buy, by poking them with pins.

 

[houstonspartan]

Everyone seems concentrated on what type of QB OB is going to want. My concern at this point in time is what he intends to do about the OL scheme and personnel. Seems like all the top teams/QBs are playing with strong OL. It does no good to have a QB that spends most of his time watching from the sidelines. My concern is that our OL be the protective equivalent of a condom that is unlikely to ever break. OB's curious and weak choice of Dunn as the OL "supervisor" now worries me that we will have someone potentially saboutaging our best condoms money can buy, by poking them with pins.

Lmao at your analogy. Nice.

For the first year or so, I'm probably going to judge O'Brien more on his ability to fire than to hire (that, and his record). If the OL coach is a bust, get rid of him. Under Kubiak, we had to accept that all hires would be here at least 3-5 years, regardless of performance.


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[aussie_texan]

Everyone seems concentrated on what type of QB OB is going to want. My concern at this point in time is what he intends to do about the OL scheme and personnel. Seems like all the top teams/QBs are playing with strong OL. It does no good to have a QB that spends most of his time watching from the sidelines. My concern is that our OL be the protective equivalent of a condom that is unlikely to ever break. OB's curious and weak choice of Dunn as the OL "supervisor" now worries me that we will have someone potentially saboutaging our best condoms money can buy, by poking them with pins.

once we upgrade the LG and RT position we should be fine.
Even upgrading those position to average would send the line potential back to top 10 level.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

610 interviewed Theisman re. the Texans QB draft situation. He essentially stated that he felt that there is no one out there that would be worth taking as a first. He commented that Schaub has taken this team as far as he will ever be able to do. He said that he felt that Keenum given a fair shake and under the tutelage of the new regime would give the Texans the best option for success.