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ILB CJ Mosley - Only one like him in first round

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Am I overlooking something? ILB C J Mosley is the only one ranked in first and all positions have a decent alternative at lower pick in that round. Even Nix has Hageman as a possible nose.

Does that increase Mosely value to Texans and move him higher on their board? Of course I am considering him in a trade down scenario.
 
Possibly.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Brooks Reed will be our starting ILB next year alongside Cushing though.

If that's the case we would obviously want to use that pick on a good enough OLB to run with the job and then a late round ILB to use as depth (which we have none of).

All speculation though, who knows.
 
TexansFTW said:
Possibly.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Brooks Reed will be our starting ILB next year alongside Cushing though.

If that's the case we would obviously want to use that pick on a good enough OLB to run with the job and then a late round ILB to use as depth (which we have none of).

All speculation though, who knows.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what Crennel can do with Mercilous. Also hope he can make something out of Braman other than a special teams player.
 
mussop said:
I'm really looking forward to seeing what Crennel can do with Mercilous. Also hope he can make something out of Braman other than a special teams player.
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I'm there w/ you on Merciless.

You think Braman has a future in the NFL though? I respect that if you do. I personally think he should be thankful a team is using a roster spot on him.
 
TexansFTW said:
I'm there w/ you on Merciless.

You think Braman has a future in the NFL though? I respect that if you do. I personally think he should be thankful a team is using a roster spot on him.
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I'm not sure how long he holds that roster spot with the new management. He was borderline all along.
 
badboy said:
Am I overlooking something? ILB C J Mosley is the only one ranked in first and all positions have a decent alternative at lower pick in that round. Even Nix has Hageman as a possible nose.

Does that increase Mosely value to Texans and move him higher on their board? Of course I am considering him in a trade down scenario.
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I think Mosley is the best "Football player" in this draft. I've said it multiple times in multiple threads.

Thing is , he's really an ILB .... and that's a position that doesn't get much consideration with the #1 pick. That spot is generally for pass rushers , QB's , Left Tackles and the occasional WR/CB.

I wouldn't complain one bit if the Texans took him 1:1 or traded back a few picks (4?) and took him there.
 
i have no problem taking him first, or more ideally trading down and grabbing him. mosley is another that you figure to be a starter for 10 years with out the questionmarks of some of the other picks, and to me that's a must with your first pick. forget the boom or bust, and forget criticism that may come with a "reach", pick a guy who will be a core player for a long time.

the big selling point IMO is that he's an ILB that can play in coverage, and that aspect can change an entire defense. as we're seeing around the league and especially in the playoffs, linebackers have as much cover responsibility as defensive backs. the tightend position is huge, and crossing routes have become the bread and butter for most of the NFL. you have to have at least 1 guy in the middle, and teams like the 49'ers, seahawks, and steelers are taking it to the next level with 2. mosley with cushing would be a turning point for our defense.
 
TexansFTW said:
Possibly.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Brooks Reed will be our starting ILB next year alongside Cushing though.

If that's the case we would obviously want to use that pick on a good enough OLB to run with the job and then a late round ILB to use as depth (which we have none of).

All speculation though, who knows.
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There has been no indication of a desire by Texans to move Reed. I would have thought if they wanted to Phillips would have.
 
badboy said:
There has been no indication of a desire by Texans to move Reed. I would have thought if they wanted to Phillips would have.
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IIRC he was being cross trained in camp and throughout the season, just never played the position in a game though.

You may be right though, like I said, all speculation.
 
Scooter said:
i have no problem taking him first, or more ideally trading down and grabbing him. mosley is another that you figure to be a starter for 10 years with out the questionmarks of some of the other picks, and to me that's a must with your first pick. forget the boom or bust, and forget criticism that may come with a "reach", pick a guy who will be a core player for a long time.

the big selling point IMO is that he's an ILB that can play in coverage, and that aspect can change an entire defense. as we're seeing around the league and especially in the playoffs, linebackers have as much cover responsibility as defensive backs. the tightend position is huge, and crossing routes have become the bread and butter for most of the NFL. you have to have at least 1 guy in the middle, and teams like the 49'ers, seahawks, and steelers are taking it to the next level with 2. mosley with cushing would be a turning point for our defense.
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my thought exactly as I would prefer to trade down and get him but he is a perfect fit for a priority need imo + has intelligence I think required. He was actually listed as OLB for long time by NFL draftscout.com
 
If we could pull off a trade with cleveland for 4 & 26 and could pick up Mosley and Nix in the first, I would do backflips. Middle of our defense set for years
 
JB said:
If we could pull off a trade with cleveland for 4 & 26 and could pick up Mosley and Nix in the first, I would do backflips. Middle of our defense set for years
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Nix surgery for knee issues at his weight concerns me and cannot get any feedback on how he is post surgery but probably too soon. I like Carrethers and Cauran Reid (sp) in later rounds. I am focusing on the Oline more than D. If I could land either Cyril Richardson or Gabe Jackson for my LG and JuWuan James for RT that would make any RB and QB better. I think Cyril could play RT so he has edge over Jackson but he may go before #33.
 
badboy said:
Nix surgery for knee issues at his weight concerns me and cannot get any feedback on how he is post surgery but probably too soon. I like Carrethers and Cauran Reid (sp) in later rounds. I am focusing on the Oline more than D. If I could land either Cyril Richardson or Gabe Jackson for my LG and JuWuan James for RT that would make any RB and QB better. I think Cyril could play RT so he has edge over Jackson but he may go before #33.
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Cyril got pushed around I thought. Was it the senior bowl or east-west?
 
badboy said:
Nix surgery for knee issues at his weight concerns me and cannot get any feedback on how he is post surgery but probably too soon. I like Carrethers and Cauran Reid (sp) in later rounds. I am focusing on the Oline more than D. If I could land either Cyril Richardson or Gabe Jackson for my LG and JuWuan James for RT that would make any RB and QB better. I think Cyril could play RT so he has edge over Jackson but he may go before #33.
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Haven't been paying that much attention, wasn't aware of knee concerns with Nix. I'll have to re-evaluate then. I think our D up the middle and speed on the back end are our biggest needs outside of qb. If we don't go qb in the first then I want to address those two areas
 
I'd be peeved if we take a ILB in the first when we will be in nickel or dime 70% of the time and already have Cushing who needs to play in those formations.
 
badboy said:
Nix surgery for knee issues at his weight concerns me and cannot get any feedback on how he is post surgery but probably too soon. I like Carrethers and Cauran Reid (sp) in later rounds. I am focusing on the Oline more than D. If I could land either Cyril Richardson or Gabe Jackson for my LG and JuWuan James for RT that would make any RB and QB better. I think Cyril could play RT so he has edge over Jackson but he may go before #33.
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Yeah, the jury is still out on Nix's injury(ies) but what have you seen from Carrethers that would counter the claims from the "Professional" draftnics that "he's just a 'big body on the field'"?

Just axin because that's all I'm hearing/reading about him.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I'd be peeved if we take a ILB in the first when we will be in nickel or dime 70% of the time and already have Cushing who needs to play in those formations.
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IMO that adds value to taking an ILB early. instead of so much time in base formations where you can have interchangeable heavies at ILB, you need 2 guys who can stay on the field in passing downs. willis and bowman are the target goal as the best ILB's in the league right now. bowman was in for 98% of the snaps this season and willis was in for 81%. i'd take someone in for 81% of the plays on defense first, though with cushing getting older and having injury issues, he may be the 81% with mosley being the 98%.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I'd be peeved if we take a ILB in the first when we will be in nickel or dime 70% of the time and already have Cushing who needs to play in those formations.
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I agree with your sentiment but with our LB core Moseley would probably stay on the field in our nickel.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I'd be peeved if we take a ILB in the first when we will be in nickel or dime 70% of the time and already have Cushing who needs to play in those formations.
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Mosley would likely stay on the field as an OLB in those situations , he's a very good pass rusher .... that would send either Reed or Mercilus to the sidelines.


If he's the best player in the draft , he's the best player .... you take the best player with 1:1.
 
Mosley would definitely be on the field in Nickel and Dime situations. He's the best coverage ILB I've seen in quite a few years. Also, Cushing's leg injuries have sapped him of some mobility. Might not be a bad idea to get a more athletic ILB in there to play the Bowman role and let Cushing be your downhill enforcer like Patrick Willis.
 
TexansFTW said:
I'm there w/ you on Merciless.

You think Braman has a future in the NFL though? I respect that if you do. I personally think he should be thankful a team is using a roster spot on him.
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I don't know if he has a future or not. I just don't have any faith in any of the old coaches to develop talent. He has the measurables. I'm looking forward to seeing what our rookie has too. Just glad we have new coaches and hope they can do something with these guys.
 
If we were to go Mosley first, and the draft fell like this, I wouldn't be unhappy

1 ILB C.J. MOSLEY ALABAMA-as Corrosion has mentioned, best football player
33 S HA’SEAN CLINTON-DIX ALABAMA-always wanted a top safety
65 QB ZACH METTENBERGER LSU- boom or bust
97 DT KELCY QUARLES SOUTH CAROLINA-keeping with up the middle theme
129 RB CHARLES SIMS WVU-Houston boy comes back home-we need help here
161 WR MIKE DAVIS TEXAS-finally a burner
193 CB ROSS COCKRELL DUKE-this little dud is gritty

Courtesy of mock draft simulator (there's a thread)


Tried to go with best player and keeping in mind team needs. I think our OL is going to be fine with players getting healthy, new coaching and maybe FA
 
JB said:
If we were to go Mosley first, and the draft fell like this, I wouldn't be unhappy

1 ILB C.J. MOSLEY ALABAMA-as Corrosion has mentioned, best football player
33 S HA’SEAN CLINTON-DIX ALABAMA-always wanted a top safety
65 QB ZACH METTENBERGER LSU- boom or bust
97 DT KELCY QUARLES SOUTH CAROLINA-keeping with up the middle theme
129 RB CHARLES SIMS WVU-Houston boy comes back home-we need help here
161 WR MIKE DAVIS TEXAS-finally a burner
193 CB ROSS COCKRELL DUKE-this little dud is gritty

Courtesy of mock draft simulator (there's a thread)


Tried to go with best player and keeping in mind team needs. I think our OL is going to be fine with players getting healthy, new coaching and maybe FA
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Let me guess? SEC Bias?
 
JB said:
If we were to go Mosley first, and the draft fell like this, I wouldn't be unhappy

1 ILB C.J. MOSLEY ALABAMA-as Corrosion has mentioned, best football player
33 S HA’SEAN CLINTON-DIX ALABAMA-always wanted a top safety
65 QB ZACH METTENBERGER LSU- boom or bust
97 DT KELCY QUARLES SOUTH CAROLINA-keeping with up the middle theme
129 RB CHARLES SIMS WVU-Houston boy comes back home-we need help here
161 WR MIKE DAVIS TEXAS-finally a burner
193 CB ROSS COCKRELL DUKE-this little dud is gritty

Courtesy of mock draft simulator (there's a thread)


Tried to go with best player and keeping in mind team needs. I think our OL is going to be fine with players getting healthy, new coaching and maybe FA
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I doubt Nix is there @ 33. Might not be there if you had Cleveland's #26. I think he comes off the board between 15 & 25.
Also don't see the need for another early round safety when we took Swearinger early last season pending Manning returns which I believe he will as you aren't going to replace him with a comparable player with the difference between his dead money and cap savings. He's right around market value for the position.

I also don't believe the OL can be neglected , especially RT and to some extent LG as Wade Smith really fell off last year. Smith only has a $750k cap hit if cut. Newton is just over $15k in dead money should they send his ass packing. (Not saying either gets cut but its entirely possible).
The Texans talked to "just about every OL at the SR Bowl". That seems like a clue to me that they want to improve in the trenches. Where in the draft is anyone's guess but if they are talking to guy's expected to go in the early part of round 1 ... you almost have to pencil in an OL in the first 2-3 picks.

Kelcy Quarles is likely a late second to 3rd rounder.

In keeping with the spirit of your draft above , I'd so something like the following:

1 - Mosley
2 - Antonio Richardson (Tenn. OT)
3 - Mettenberger
4 - Lache Seastrunk (Baylor RB)
5 - Ryan Carrethers (Arkansas St. DT)
6 -
7 -
 
beerlover said:
back to drawing board JB :whip:
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yeah, I was thinking we could pick up a FA for OL, along with what we currently have on the roster but will go with the flow. :handshake:

I still think our biggest needs are up the middle on def and overall team speed.
 
drs23 said:
Yeah, the jury is still out on Nix's injury(ies) but what have you seen from Carrethers that would counter the claims from the "Professional" draftnics that "he's just a 'big body on the field'"?

Just axin because that's all I'm hearing/reading about him.
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2013: 87 tackles with 8 for loss and 4 sacks. even for that schedule is amazing. 6' 330 and not a tub of lard. Should fit what little of what we know about defense. He has to be even with Mitchell by game one. If that is correct, a starter from 5th round is crazy good.
 
Marshall said:
Cyril got pushed around I thought. Was it the senior bowl or east-west?
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he was in 3 point stance more than with Baylor. I think he will be fine. Spent a lot of time last night thinking of how to draft to correct Oline and I think Jawuan James from Tenn is way to go. Avail top of 4th & if he cannot beat out RT candidates Williams and Newton, he should be able to move to RG and allow Brooks to go LG. I like Q but never saw much of him & hesitate to put eggs in his basket without more info.
 
badboy said:
he was in 3 point stance more than with Baylor. I think he will be fine. Spent a lot of time last night thinking of how to draft to correct Oline and I think Jawuan James from Tenn is way to go. Avail top of 4th & if he cannot beat out RT candidates Williams and Newton, he should be able to move to RG and allow Brooks to go LG. I like Q but never saw much of him & hesitate to put eggs in his basket without more info.
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may have to rethink Cyril as he got beat by speed in tonight's Senior Bowl. Still think Jawuan James is RT for us. If we have extra picks, probably look at Gabe Jackson for LG.
 
badboy said:
may have to rethink Cyril as he got beat by speed in tonight's Senior Bowl. Still think Jawuan James is RT for us. If we have extra picks, probably look at Gabe Jackson for LG.
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I'd be satisfied with either of the Tennessee OT's Antonio Richardson or James ... Wonder if Richardson falls to 3:1 , would be a steal there as most have him as a 2nd rounder. James would have exceptional value at 4:1.

Would be nice to find a trade down scenario where you could land a QB in the top 10 along with Richardson & Trent Murphy.
 
Unfortunately, I think Antonio Richardson goes in the top 25 and James will go in the late 2nd (I have him as my #64 prospect right now). They are both severely underrated right now. I take Richardson at #33 no question if he is still there somehow. Franchise LT potential. James will be a very solid RT. If he's there at 3.1 I take him (unless the position has already been addressed by then).

Not really a fan of Cyril. Has potential but I hope he goes elsewhere.
 
Corrosion said:
I'd be satisfied with either of the Tennessee OT's Antonio Richardson or James ... Wonder if Richardson falls to 3:1 , would be a steal there as most have him as a 2nd rounder. James would have exceptional value at 4:1.

Would be nice to find a trade down scenario where you could land a QB in the top 10 along with Richardson & Trent Murphy.
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Trent Murphy from Stanford? There is talk emerging of him plummeting down boards after the senior bowl. Or am I getting draft overload?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Trent Murphy from Stanford? There is talk emerging of him plummeting down boards after the senior bowl. Or am I getting draft overload?
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If he puts up good numbers at the combine then he will be fine. He struggled at the Senior Bowl playing DE. Should probably just stay as a stand-up 3-4 OLB.
 
A nice write up on Mosley:

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...10/2014-nfl-draft-prospects-cj-mosley-alabama

C.J. Mosley stands at 6-foot-2 and 232 pounds. There isn't a linebacker in the college football who has displayed the type of high football IQ and instincts Mosley has on the field. He displays a great of ability to read the QBs eyes in pass coverage and hit his keys. He has a great ability to recognize route and understands down and distance situations incredibly well. In the run game Mosley uses his football IQ to diagnose the plays quickly and keep himself clean from blockers. He is incredibly disciplined in his reads and this could only be the result of excellent preparation and film study throughout the week.
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He is definitely one I would be interested in if we traded down and others we considered were off the board. He's even good in coverage which would make it possible where he would be on the field more unlike all our other inside linebackers not named Brian Cushing. Gives us more diversity and he or Cush could slide outside when/if we use a 4-3 in this new hybrid approach. Depends on who stays and goes in the coming months (obviously).

Plus it would be nice to have insurance in case (knock on wood) Cushing did go down since when he does this team has looked inept on defense time and time again.
 
bah007 said:
Unfortunately, I think Antonio Richardson goes in the top 25 and James will go in the late 2nd (I have him as my #64 prospect right now). They are both severely underrated right now. I take Richardson at #33 no question if he is still there somehow. Franchise LT potential. James will be a very solid RT. If he's there at 3.1 I take him (unless the position has already been addressed by then).

Not really a fan of Cyril. Has potential but I hope he goes elsewhere.
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Do you think A. Richardson could play RT for now eliminating need for James? I'm not sure & we cannot afford to stockpile players this year. I think James is solid & if Q is as good as I think, that wraps up the OL. Brennan Williams & a healthy Newton can spar over back up roles. I think Derek will be allowed at his rate of pay to at least get thru TC.
 
What are the thoughts on Trevardo Williams? Many liked him when drafted and he is a speedster.
 
badboy said:
What are the thoughts on Trevardo Williams? Many liked him when drafted and he is a speedster.
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Has a future as a situational pass rusher. I don't think he has the ability to be a full time player, he's not agile enough to play in coverage and he's not strong enough to play against the run. One trick pony. But that one trick is a pretty important one.
 
badboy said:
Do you think A. Richardson could play RT for now eliminating need for James? I'm not sure & we cannot afford to stockpile players this year. I think James is solid & if Q is as good as I think, that wraps up the OL. Brennan Williams & a healthy Newton can spar over back up roles. I think Derek will be allowed at his rate of pay to at least get thru TC.
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Yes I think he could.

LT - Brown, Williams
LG - Quessenberry, Jones
C - Myers, Jones
RG - Brooks, Jones
RT - Richardson, Newton

That looks like a definite upgrade over last year.
 
bah007 said:
Has a future as a situational pass rusher. I don't think he has the ability to be a full time player, he's not agile enough to play in coverage and he's not strong enough to play against the run. One trick pony. But that one trick is a pretty important one.
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I would like to see Tre alternate with Reed.
 
bah007 said:
Yes I think he could.

LT - Brown, Williams
LG - Quessenberry, Jones
C - Myers, Jones
RG - Brooks, Jones
RT - Richardson, Newton

That looks like a definite upgrade over last year.
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that is putting a lot of trust in Q a player we saw little of. If he isn't steak and potatoes we remain in same place as last season.
 
badboy said:
that is putting a lot of trust in Q a player we saw little of. If he isn't steak and potatoes we remain in same place as last season.
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I have a lot of faith in Quess. He was my OL sleeper in the draft last year. Was ecstatic when we landed him. If he is fully recovered from his injury then I expect him to win the starting job easily.
 
badboy said:
that is putting a lot of trust in Q a player we saw little of. If he isn't steak and potatoes we remain in same place as last season.
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Agreed. I have faith that he can beat out Jones, who I think is a natural C playing out of position at OG.

Quessenberry/Jones may not match Wade Smith's production in year one but moving forward I think it's a better option.

And I think Richardson is better on his first day of practice than Newton is ever capable of being.
 
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