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Texan Opportunity Browns willing to trade up, if necessary,4 Manziel

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The NFL Draft won’t start until May 8, but the Browns have already been linked to Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel countless times through various reports.

The general narrative is something along these lines: Although the Browns don’t have a head coach yet, the front office is infatuated with Manziel and plans to target him with the fourth overall pick.

But what if one of the teams selecting ahead of the Browns – the Houston Texans (No. 1 overall pick), St. Louis Rams (No. 2) or Jacksonville Jaguars (No. 3) -- wants Manziel? Or what if another team makes a trade to leapfrog the Browns because it’s targeting Manziel?
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Texans may be able to rob the Browns like the Rams did the Redskins.
 
If the Texans are dead set on QB who they think is their QB of the future (Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater) and decide to trade the pick to the Browns at #4, there is 90% chance that Texans will lose out on all of the Big 3. Once the #1 is traded it becomes a lot cheaper for teams to trade to #2 for a QB and Jax at #3 take a QB and the Texans are left empty handed.
 
Texian said:
If the Texans are dead set on QB who they think is their QB of the future (Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater) and decide to trade the pick to the Browns at #4, there is 90% chance that Texans will lose out on all of the Big 3. Once the #1 is traded it becomes a lot cheaper for teams to trade to #2 for a QB and Jax at #3 take a QB and the Texans are left empty handed.
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completely agree on this
 
The only way I make that trade is if I get the Browns to swap firsts, get their other #1 this year, and either their #2 or #3 this year and that probably isn't going to happen.
 
Christopher Hansen ‏@ChrisHansenNFL 4m

Browns don't like Manziel, but they sure want someone else to think so so another guy will drop. No way you let that info leak this early.
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Texian said:
If the Texans are dead set on QB who they think is their QB of the future (Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater) and decide to trade the pick to the Browns at #4, there is 90% chance that Texans will lose out on all of the Big 3. Once the #1 is traded it becomes a lot cheaper for teams to trade to #2 for a QB and Jax at #3 take a QB and the Texans are left empty handed.
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My dream scenario would be to get Cleveland to trade 4-25 and a 2015 1st for #1

Then draft Clowney #4/Nix #25, trade #33 for Mallett and Moses #66.
 
A bunch of hooey... a story bootstrapped off another, pulled from another that was about Gus Malzahn. I'm not gonna say that LaCanfora makes stuff up trying to raise his profile out of the shadows of Schefter & Mortensen, but... he does a lot of "if"ing. :spin:
 
Texian said:
If the Texans are dead set on QB who they think is their QB of the future (Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater) and decide to trade the pick to the Browns at #4, there is 90% chance that Texans will lose out on all of the Big 3. Once the #1 is traded it becomes a lot cheaper for teams to trade to #2 for a QB and Jax at #3 take a QB and the Texans are left empty handed.
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I wouldn't mind if we end up with Jadeveon Clowney, Anthony Barr or Jake Matthews at 4 and still have the Browns' 26th pick in round one, along with whatever else we can snag from them. I'm open to trading the first pick most definitely.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I wouldn't mind if we end up with Jadeveon Clowney, Anthony Barr or Jake Matthews at 4 and still have the Browns' 26th pick in round one, along with whatever else we can snag from them. I'm open to trading the first pick most definitely.
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Hell any of those guys or Watkins or whichever OT grades the highest or Bortles or Bridgewater is fine by me, as long as the compensation is right. I want both their first and next years first.
 
Texian said:
If the Texans are dead set on QB who they think is their QB of the future (Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater) and decide to trade the pick to the Browns at #4, there is 90% chance that Texans will lose out on all of the Big 3. Once the #1 is traded it becomes a lot cheaper for teams to trade to #2 for a QB and Jax at #3 take a QB and the Texans are left empty handed.
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On the bright side, if the QB's go 1-2-3 then we no longer have to worry about picking the wrong one and can just take Clowney.

Of course, if we trade back from #1 to #4 and don't take a QB, then it will be pretty apparent that we didn't think much of any of them anyway.
 
mussop said:
Hell any of those guys or Watkins or whichever OT grades the highest or Bortles or Bridgewater is fine by me, as long as the compensation is right. I want both their first and next years first.
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I think Watkins will be a beast in the NFL but I don't think he's realistic for the Texans considering we have two first round WR's on this team already. I don't see either Hopkins or Watkins being a #3 WR next year.
 
if the texans FO evaluate one of the top 3 QBs as franchise players then they must take him at 1.1 if not trading down to 1.4 will be great
 
It makes more sense that the Browns trade with the Rams not the Texans. Because if the Texans really want manziel then they wont trade with the Browns. And after the Texans, the only team that could draft manziel is the Jags. So the Browns just need to move up to pick #2.
 
stingray said:
It makes more sense that the Browns trade with the Rams not the Texans. Because if the Texans really want manziel then they wont trade with the Browns. And after the Texans, the only team that could draft manziel is the Jags. So the Browns just need to move up to pick #2.
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I mentioned the same line of thinking but was told I am dumb and wrong. :kitten:
 
are the rams going to want to move back only 2 spots? i think there is a good chance the vikings could move up in this draft. they are way to far back to get a top 3 QB if they really like won only way to do it is move up
 
aussie_texan said:
are the rams going to want to move back only 2 spots? i think there is a good chance the vikings could move up in this draft. they are way to far back to get a top 3 QB if they really like won only way to do it is move up
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Why not? They could still land clowney or matthews with the 4th pick. They could get the browns 4th pick their other 1s round pick and another 3rd to boot and still get clowney or matthews.
 
stingray said:
Why not? They could still land clowney or matthews with the 4th pick. They could get the browns 4th pick their other 1s round pick and another 3rd to boot and still get clowney or matthews.
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depends how much the browns want to give up. the statements on manziel seem like a pretty clear smoke screen so they can get the QB they want perhaps while staying put at 4.

Obviously its all speculation at this point
 
stingray said:
It makes more sense that the Browns trade with the Rams not the Texans. Because if the Texans really want manziel then they wont trade with the Browns. And after the Texans, the only team that could draft manziel is the Jags. So the Browns just need to move up to pick #2.
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Yeah but how long until they figure this out in Cleveland? Could be months. :kitten:

We need two teams to fall in love with the same guy. Maybe it'll be Clowney that teams trade up for?
 
Playoffs said:
Yeah but how long until they figure this out in Cleveland? Could be months. :kitten:

We need two teams to fall in love with the same guy. Maybe it'll be Clowney that teams trade up for?
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Wouldn't that be nice if we could trade down and still get Bridgewater, LOL.
 
HJam72 said:
Well, whether or not it's right depends on who says it. :jk:
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stingray said:
It makes more sense that the Browns trade with the Rams not the Texans. Because if the Texans really want manziel then they wont trade with the Browns. And after the Texans, the only team that could draft manziel is the Jags. So the Browns just need to move up to pick #2.
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If they really want him they need to trade up with us. Because until we make the pick there is a chance we could draft him or trade down with another team that wants him. So yes what you are saying is true but only after our pick has been made b
 
mussop said:
If they really want him they need to trade up with us. Because until we make the pick there is a chance we could draft him or trade down with another team that wants him. So yes what you are saying is true but only after our pick has been made b
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I don't think anyone would trade the pick before the draft even started, of course the potential trade would or wouldn't go down until after our pick was made...
 
stingray said:
It makes more sense that the Browns trade with the Rams not the Texans. Because if the Texans really want manziel then they wont trade with the Browns. And after the Texans, the only team that could draft manziel is the Jags. So the Browns just need to move up to pick #2.
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matts290 said:
I mentioned the same line of thinking but was told I am dumb and wrong. :kitten:
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Not necessarily. Let's say the Browns trade up to #2, then the Texans trade with a team that wants Manziel. oops, sorry Browns, no JFF for you.
 
matts290 said:
I don't think anyone would trade the pick before the draft even started, of course the potential trade would or wouldn't go down until after our pick was made...
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If a trade is made it will more than likely be worked out in advance unless their or multiple bidders, it won't be announce until we are on the official clock
 
michaelm said:
Not necessarily. Let's say the Browns trade up to #2, then the Texans trade with a team that wants Manziel. oops, sorry Browns, no JFF for you.
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JB said:
If a trade is made it will more than likely be worked out in advance unless their or multiple bidders, it won't be announce until we are on the official clock
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Any team wanting to trade up to #2 would not do so until after the Texans have made their pick making sure their player is still on the board. It's the only Guarantee.
 
michaelm said:
Not necessarily. Let's say the Browns trade up to #2, then the Texans trade with a team that wants Manziel. oops, sorry Browns, no JFF for you.
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I was assuming that the browns would only make a trade after the texans pick. Im assuming that the jags are not in love with manziel and would only pick him if it was their pick and not give up the farm to get him.
 
Texian said:
Any team wanting to trade up to #2 would not do so until after the Texans have made their pick making sure their player is still on the board. It's the only Guarantee.
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Exactly, the draft goes in numerical order, meaning if we do trade our pick to someone other than the Browns, then they will have time to decide if they still want to trade up to the Rams at #2...I don't know why this is a hard concept to grasp. Nothing is set in stone pre-draft, snap decision and alternate scenarios come up all the time, hence the name "War Room".
 
matts290 said:
Exactly, the draft goes in numerical order, meaning if we do trade our pick to someone other than the Browns, then they will have time to decide if they still want to trade up to the Rams at #2...I don't know why this is a hard concept to grasp. Nothing is set in stone pre-draft, snap decision and alternate scenarios come up all the time, hence the name "War Room".
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I thought the premise is that the Browns would trade with us if they want JFF
 
I still stand by my belief that we will not be trading the first overall pick. It just doesn't happen very often and scenarios that are being brought up in this thread are one of the many reasons why. I think one of Teddy, Bortles, Manziel, Clowney, Matthews will present themselves as a legitimate 1.1 pick by draft time and we will take that person the coaches best see fit.

Plus this is all assuming the Browns would even want to give up what we hypothetically want (their second first rounder) which I have my doubts about. They made a great tactical move to acquire that pick from the Colts, and the Browns have plenty of needs to just like us that the Colts pick could be useful for.
 
Texian said:
Any team wanting to trade up to #2 would not do so until after the Texans have made their pick making sure their player is still on the board. It's the only Guarantee.
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stingray said:
I was assuming that the browns would only make a trade after the texans pick. Im assuming that the jags are not in love with manziel and would only pick him if it was their pick and not give up the farm to get him.
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matts290 said:
Exactly, the draft goes in numerical order, meaning if we do trade our pick to someone other than the Browns, then they will have time to decide if they still want to trade up to the Rams at #2...I don't know why this is a hard concept to grasp. Nothing is set in stone pre-draft, snap decision and alternate scenarios come up all the time, hence the name "War Room".
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All valid points, but the only way the Browns can be assured to get Manziel is to trade with the Texans. Whether the Browns trade to #2 or not, the Texans could trade with another team that wants JFF at any time.
 
JB said:
I thought the premise is that the Browns would trade with us if they want JFF
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I think the premise is that: The Browns want Manziel, are willing to trade up to get him, but it may come at a cheaper price to negotiate with the Rams as well because if we are presumably open to trading them the 1.1 pick, then that means we are not interested in Manziel, and the Browns could just as well get him at the Rams #2 pick....But, if we were to suddenly trade our first pick to someone else besides the Browns, and they take Manziel, then that would ruin their plans to trade up to the Rams pick.

Does that even make sense because it kinda doesn't to me. :thinking::P
 
matts290 said:
I think the premise is that: The Browns want Manziel, are willing to trade up to get him, but it may come at a cheaper price to negotiate with the Rams as well because if we are presumably open to trading them the 1.1 pick, then that means we are not interested in Manziel, and the Browns could just as well get him at the Rams #2 pick....But, if we were to suddenly trade our first pick to someone else besides the Browns, and they take Manziel, then that would ruin their plans to trade up to the Rams pick.

Does that even make sense because it kinda doesn't to me. :thinking::P
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lol

aussie_texan said:
maybe they want TB.
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If they don't know who we want, and they want someone bad enough they will trade with us, if not we hope someone else does
 
BoB',is infatuated with JFF keep those Aggies coming to Reliant.

If the Browns want JFF they have to pay the price.
 
We are not trading the number 1 pick. A new offensive minded HC will want his pick of the QBs because his job depends on it. Trading it would be too risky. OB needs to pick a QB and hitch his wagon to him for the next 4 years. St Louis is the logical trade spot for the Browns.
 
The game between GMs and owners have begun, they are throwing smoke screens all around, Im not going to believe anyone of these guys until at least the combine. I seriously doubt they are really going to do this with no HC in place, heck not even a leading candidate is up in the running for the Browns lol.
 
Texn4life said:
The only way I make that trade is if I get the Browns to swap firsts, get their other #1 this year, and either their #2 or #3 this year and that probably isn't going to happen.
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I'd rather have their 1-4; 1-26 and number 1 in 2015. Maybe their 3rd to complete the deal.
 
HJam72 said:
Wouldn't that be nice if we could trade down and still get Bridgewater, LOL.
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Trade down to 1-2 so St. Louis (or their trading partner can get Clowney)
1-1 (3000) to St Louis
2-33 (580) to St Louis
3-65 (265) to St Louis

1-2 (2600) to Houston
1-13 (1150) to Houston
4-109 (76) to Houston

Trade down to 1-3 so Jacksonville can take Bortles.

1-2 (2600) to Jacksonville
4-97 (112) to Jacksonville

1-3 to Houston (2200)
2-35 to Houston (550)

Trade down to Cleveland so they can take Manziel.

1-3 (2200) to Cleveland
2-35 (550)to Cleveland

1-4 (1800) to Houston
1-26 (700) to Houston
3-68 (250) to Houston

Leaving us with:

1-4 TB?
1-13 Mosley/Hicks/Evans
1-26 Amaro/Martin/Tuitt
3-68
4-109
in the first 4 rounds

Each team must know we are willing to take 'their guy' if they do not trade for him.
 
matts290 said:
I think the premise is that: The Browns want Manziel, are willing to trade up to get him, but it may come at a cheaper price to negotiate with the Rams as well because if we are presumably open to trading them the 1.1 pick, then that means we are not interested in Manziel, and the Browns could just as well get him at the Rams #2 pick....But, if we were to suddenly trade our first pick to someone else besides the Browns, and they take Manziel, then that would ruin their plans to trade up to the Rams pick.

Does that even make sense because it kinda doesn't to me. :thinking::P
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It makes perfect sense. If we are willing to trade with anyone, say Minnesota or Oakland, then their guy may not be there at the Rams 2, so they can only be sure by trading with us. We would prefer a trading partner near the top with extra picks, but the other teams mentioned drive up the demand and may make a more outrageous offer.
 
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