Brian Hoyer/Ryan Mallet ?

[thunderkyss]

So every year there are a number of QBs who enter the NFL as "projects" Are there any out there that should be considered in addition to the 1st round QBs of this draft?

The two I'm most concerned with are Ryan Mallet & Brian Hoyer.

Hoyer 6'2" 215lbs Michigan State.

UDFA to New England in 2009. Signed by the Cleveland Browns He (& O'Brien) was with the Patriots from 2009-2011, spent 2012 between the Patriots & Cardinals, signed a 2 year deal with the Browns. He leap-frogged their back up QB & started 4 games. The Browns won all 4 games; Hoyer injured his ACL in the 4th.

The guaranteed portion of his contract has been paid. It would cost the Browns nothing to trade him.​

Of course I'm thinking acquiring Hoyer would allow us flexibility to take a bigger chance on a QB later in the draft. At the same time, have the Browns (also without a head coach) seen enough to likely pass on a QB with the first overall pick & select Jadaveon Clowney or Anthony Barr if the third overall pick in the 2014 draft.

Would the presence of Hoyer & Weeden allow the Browns the freedom to move to the #1 pick to select someone other than a QB, if they felt the need exists?

Hoyer appeared to be a competent NFL QB, if nothing else you'd think he would have made a fine back-up for Tom Brady. Why did they draft Mallet in the third round, then release Hoyer a year later & how much influence did Bob O'Brien have on those decisions (he was the Patriots QB coach & OC when Mallet was drafted. He was not with the Patriots when they released Hoyer.)

Mallet 6'6" 245lbs Arkansas

We suspected Mallett would fall to the third round, and it may have been fourth or fifth if not for New England. One front office exec tells ESPN's Adam Schefter that Mallett was the top QB on the Patriots' board. While Mallett boasts an arm touched by the gods, he also possesses the sloth-like movement of a late-career Drew Bledsoe. Worse, there have been documented reports of drug usage and consumption issues in college to go with character red flags. Put simply, no team in the league wanted him as the face of the franchise. Bill Belichick will try to develop Mallett as Tom Brady's successor or an eventual trade chip.

In addition there were some red flags surrounding Mallet. There was evidence of immaturity, talks of drug consumption, & reports of being late to team interviews. After the draft there were stories of his exploits much like Gronk...partying all night, living fast & disappointing in camp & OTAs.

But... the reports changed dramatically before the 2013 season. He was impressive. Thoughts began circulating that he could be Brady's heir apparent. However, the Patriots extended Tom Brady into forever & reassured all that Mallet was trade bait. Though the Browns entered talks with the Patriots on more than one occasion to acquire Mallet, a deal never materialized. The Patriots held firm to their price, a high 2nd round pick, pricing teams like Arizona out of the market.
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If the cost last season was an early 2, would the Patriots take two thirds? An early third, an early 6th & an early 7th? Or if there was some way we could acquire him without giving up our 2nd round pick.

"Sloth-like movement" does not excite me. But whether you or I like the idea or not, we should consider that O'Brien may offer the Patriots our 2nd round pick for Mallet. He was part of the staff that used a 3rd (74th overall) to acquire him in the first place. How does he compare to the talent that "should" be available in the second round? Boyd, Mettenberger, McCarron?

Keep in mind, with two NFL off-seasons under his belt, Mallet should be ready to start from day 1.

 

[kingtexan]

Mallet is worth a look.

 

[Norg]

I like Mc lovin hell he beat us LOL

 

[bah007]

Mallett probably costs us the #33 at minimum. Maybe our 3rd with next year's 2nd. NE has no reason to give him up for anything less than what they want.

Hoyer hasn't really proved much at the NFL level either. Let's not change history, the Browns played well when Hoyer was QB, but he was no superstar. He was efficient. But he will also be priced high because of how the team was performing when he got injured. I think he would cost us a 3rd round pick minimum.

If we want to trade for a QB we're most likely going to have to overpay. That's just the nature of the game.

 

[thunderkyss]

Mallett probably costs us the #33 at minimum. Maybe our 3rd with next year's 2nd. NE has no reason to give him up for anything less than what they want.

They were asking for a high second last year. He's done nothing to increase his value since. On the other hand, the Pats have commited to Tom Brady for quite some time & have had pretty good success finding QBs in the last few years.

Hoyer hasn't really proved much at the NFL level either. Let's not change history, the Browns played well when Hoyer was QB, but he was no superstar. He was efficient. But he will also be priced high because of how the team was performing when he got injured. I think he would cost us a 3rd round pick minimum.

The interest in Hoyer is two fold. If the Browns feel good with Hoyer, then the possibility of them moving up with us to draft someone other than a QB is more plausible. If it appears that the Rams are in love with Clowney... we may be able to swap with Cleveland & still get Bridgewater.

If we want to trade for a QB we're most likely going to have to overpay. That's just the nature of the game.

Not really. Proven talent has lost it's value in the NFL. We've seen good/great talent traded for next to nothing over the last 6 years or so. We gave up Demeco for a 4th. The 49ers got Boldin for a 5th. Well... the Browns did get a 1st for Richardson, but other than that...

Then Kraft has an affection for McNair. Perhaps Belichick has an affection for O'Brien.... perhaps they both want to do Crennel a "favor"


Who knows?

 

[bah007]

They were asking for a high second last year. He's done nothing to increase his value since. On the other hand, the Pats have commited to Tom Brady for quite some time & have had pretty good success finding QBs in the last few years.



The interest in Hoyer is two fold. If the Browns feel good with Hoyer, then the possibility of them moving up with us to draft someone other than a QB is more plausible. If it appears that the Rams are in love with Clowney... we may be able to swap with Cleveland & still get Bridgewater.



Not really. Proven talent has lost it's value in the NFL. We've seen good/great talent traded for next to nothing over the last 6 years or so. We gave up Demeco for a 4th. The 49ers got Boldin for a 5th. Well... the Browns did get a 1st for Richardson, but other than that...

Then Kraft has an affection for McNair. Perhaps Belichick has an affection for O'Brien.... perhaps they both want to do Crennel a "favor"


Who knows?

The commitment to Brady doesn't change the fact that they have all the leverage in any trade negotiations about Mallett. They don't need to get rid of him, which means that any offer made will have to be shaded in their favor for it to be accepted. They are perfectly happy holding on to him for now if nobody gives them what they want.

I agree about Cleveland as a trade partner. I like it. Now we just have to make sure that there is somebody they want.

It's not so much about how proven the talent is as it is the fact that the talent is a QB. The value for an unproven QB with potential is almost always going to be higher than the value of a proven talent at any other position. That's just the game now. QBs are valued above all else.

I would love for the Patriots to do us a favor. But in my mind, one reason they are probably as successful as they have been is because they do not do favors for others.

 

[gohogs14]

Mallett has a ton of potential and upside but his bust factor could be high too. BOB will have to decide if taking someone like clowney in the first and trading the 2nd for mallett would be better than bridgewater. I think that's what it would take to get him anyways. He's just as much of an unknown as the QBs in the draft.

just for reference- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OurYaWeYlQw

Hell of an arm, but probably needs a good OL to operate

 

[BullNation4Life]

I think Mallett will be a Texan before the start of training camp, if not this year, next year.

Young, strong arm, not a statue in the pocket, can move around a bit. I think he has huge upside especially running a system he has been involved in for the last 3 years sitting behind Brady...

 

[deucetx]

More and more we're hearing the Browns are strongly interested in Manziel. Seems like the Texans camp will have to put up rumors themselves to stir the pot because if I am the Browns and don't think the Texans want my guy I'm aiming for the Rams. I mean, who could the Rams draft? Unless they are ready to move on from Bradford they don't need Clowney because their biggest strength is defensive end with Quinn (possible defensive mvp) and Chris Long. Clowney doesn't seem the 4-3 linebacker in the slighest. So that may be the best trading partner if there is no word that the Texans are interested in someone you want.

The more I look at it the more I believe there will definitely be a trade in the top five. Only hope that it is us and we find ourselves a good dance partner. Guess we'll really see what Smith is made of if it happens.

 

[steelbtexan]

Mallett for a 3rd and 5th

Trade 1-1 to the Browns for 1-4, the two Browns 3rd rd picks and a 2015 1st seems fair

 

[Dutchrudder]

So every year there are a number of QBs who enter the NFL as "projects" Are there any out there that should be considered in addition to the 1st round QBs of this draft?

The two I'm most concerned with are Ryan Mallet & Brian Hoyer.

Hoyer 6'2" 215lbs Michigan State.

UDFA to New England in 2009. Signed by the Cleveland Browns He (& O'Brien) was with the Patriots from 2009-2011, spent 2012 between the Patriots & Cardinals, signed a 2 year deal with the Browns. He leap-frogged their back up QB & started 4 games. The Browns won all 4 games; Hoyer injured his ACL in the 4th.

The guaranteed portion of his contract has been paid. It would cost the Browns nothing to trade him.​

Of course I'm thinking acquiring Hoyer would allow us flexibility to take a bigger chance on a QB later in the draft. At the same time, have the Browns (also without a head coach) seen enough to likely pass on a QB with the first overall pick & select Jadaveon Clowney or Anthony Barr if the third overall pick in the 2014 draft.

Would the presence of Hoyer & Weeden allow the Browns the freedom to move to the #1 pick to select someone other than a QB, if they felt the need exists?

Hoyer appeared to be a competent NFL QB, if nothing else you'd think he would have made a fine back-up for Tom Brady. Why did they draft Mallet in the third round, then release Hoyer a year later & how much influence did Bob O'Brien have on those decisions (he was the Patriots QB coach & OC when Mallet was drafted. He was not with the Patriots when they released Hoyer.)

Do you bother to look up any of this stuff before you post it, or watch the games? Hoyer started 3 games total, and went down in the 1st quarter of the third game on a weird slide. Saying they won even 3 games with him as the starter is misleading. They won 2 games, and they had to constantly scheme around having a below-average QB. 2 wins does not make a QB.

They used some fake FGs, fake punts and lots of play action to give Hoyer a chance. He wasn't exactly standing in the pocket and making lazer throws to receivers. Hoyer looked good early this season, but it was mostly due to Jordan Cameron and Josh Gordon. He did his job in getting the ball to them, but he wasn't making any insanely good throws that would make you want to take him over Teddy, Manziel or Bortles. Now he showed some promise for sure, but he's a long way away from being a bonafide franchise QB.

 

[steelbtexan]

Do you bother to look up any of this stuff before you post it, or watch the games? Hoyer started 3 games total, and went down in the 1st quarter of the third game on a weird slide. Saying they won even 3 games with him as the starter is misleading. They won 2 games, and they had to constantly scheme around having a below-average QB. 2 wins does not make a QB.

They used some fake FGs, fake punts and lots of play action to give Hoyer a chance. He wasn't exactly standing in the pocket and making lazer throws to receivers. Hoyer looked good early this season, but it was mostly due to Jordan Cameron and Josh Gordon. He did his job in getting the ball to them, but he wasn't making any insanely good throws that would make you want to take him over Teddy, Manziel or Bortles. Now he showed some promise for sure, but he's a long way away from being a bonafide franchise QB.

Take this man at his word

He knows his Cleveland Browns football.

When do you think we should start the sign up for the 2014 TT Mock Draft. People need to start doing their homework early.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Take this man at his word

He knows his Cleveland Browns football.

When do you think we should start the sign up for the 2014 TT Mock Draft. People need to start doing their homework early.

We might want to do a couple of them this year.

 

[gohogs14]

Found this from before the draft

Size: While he may be just slightly on the thin side, Mallett certainly has the requisite height to see over the line in the NFL. Some question whether he’s too tall, and whether or not that will affect the length of his stride, as well as how quickly he is able to get the throw out at the next level. Overall, Mallett has the size to play in the NFL.

Arm Strength: Easily the strongest aspect of Mallett’s game is the strength of his arm. Mallett has the ability to stick the ball in places other quarterbacks can’t, because of the velocity he can place on the ball. In his first season at Arkansas, he often forgot to take the zip off of some of his passes, but he seems to have corrected that in his junior season. Mallett has the physical ability to make all of the throws at the next level.

Accuracy: Mallett has definitely improved his this season, but he still struggles with it when under pressure. After going over tape on the Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Ohio State games, a clean pocket for Mallett is a must. Give him a clean pocket he throws strikes, get in his face, and his mechanics break down, and he starts throwing the ball all over the place (specifically high). Bobby Petrino’s offense at Arkansas, while appearing “pro style” really is more “power spread” than anything else. Mallett often had a lot of very wide passing lanes to throw into, which likely inflated his completion percentage

Mechanical: Much has been made of Mallett’s mechanics, and how they need to be cleaned up at the next level. His footwork, especially outside the pocket is quite bad. This often happens to taller long striders, who aren’t really natural athletically, but with Mallett (who also was a pretty decent basketball player) it shouldn’t be the issue that it is. He throws the ball with an elongated motion that’s going to have to be shortened at the next level. He releases that ball at the same point every time when he has a clean pocket, but when protection breaks down, his release point varies, which leads to high throws. Mallett has quite possibly the best play fake I’ve seen in the last decade, which should serve him well at the next level.

Mobility: Mallett is not very mobile, and teams would be wise to keep him in the pocket at the next level. Mallett did have a surprising amount of success on roll outs at Arkansas, in part due to the extremely convincing play fake he possesses, but the speed of defenders at the next level should dissuade any offensive coordinator from making roll outs a regular part of Mallett’s repertoire.

Pre/Post Snap Reads: Mallett was one of the few top draft eligible quarterbacks with the freedom to change the play at the line. Mallett has shown a knack for a pre snap diagnosis of what coverage shell is coming, but has struggled with correctly diagnosing who the blitzer is on zone blitzes.

Intangibles: While Mallett seemed to “will” his team back to a win against Georgia (though I think at least 50% of the credit there goes to wide receiver Greg Childs), he seemingly has folded in nearly every other big game Arkansas has had with the game on the line. Late interceptions against both Alabama and Ohio State cost the team both games.

Character: Probably the mostly hotly debated aspect of Mallett right now is his character. We reported on his alleged drug use, his arrest for public intox, and there have been numerous other rumors floating around regarding Mallett’s character that have definitely given pause when considering him as the potential face of your franchise. Teammates have vouched for his work ethic, and told us that Mallett even delivered pizzas to students who were camped out in line for tickets to the Alabama-Arkansas game in Fayetteville, Arkansas. Teams will definitely want to do extensive checking into his background before making him the face of their franchise.

Overall Mallett brings a pretty unique package to the table. Teams will want to evaluate the mechanical and personal issues he has, and see if they think those will be a hinderance to his success at the NFL level, after all no one wants to bring in the next Ryan Leaf. Mallett, however, reminds me less of Leaf, and more of Jeff George, for better or worse. I have a mid second round grade on Mallett, though I think he could possibly sneak into the back end of the first round.

 

[handswarmer]

Do you bother to look up any of this stuff before you post it, or watch the games? Hoyer started 3 games total, and went down in the 1st quarter of the third game on a weird slide. Saying they won even 3 games with him as the starter is misleading. They won 2 games, and they had to constantly scheme around having a below-average QB. 2 wins does not make a QB.

They used some fake FGs, fake punts and lots of play action to give Hoyer a chance. He wasn't exactly standing in the pocket and making lazer throws to receivers. Hoyer looked good early this season, but it was mostly due to Jordan Cameron and Josh Gordon. He did his job in getting the ball to them, but he wasn't making any insanely good throws that would make you want to take him over Teddy, Manziel or Bortles. Now he showed some promise for sure, but he's a long way away from being a bonafide franchise QB.

Second coming of Matt Flynn

 

[htownfan32]

We might want to do a couple of them this year.

Looking forward to it.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Jeff George?

Million dollar arm, 10c brain?

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm not big on college football. I occasionally watch when there is a player that garners a lot of attention (hype), but that doesn't happen often. That said, all I can do is go back to old scouting reports & try to get a feel for these guys. Looking at Mallet, I find it hard to understand why he wasn't selected earlier, even harder to understand how guys like Blain Gabbert, Jake Locker, & Ryan Tannehill were selected ahead of him.

Gil Alcaraz, New Era Scouting

Final Word: Any team would be glad to have a player of Mallett’s ability and leadership taking snaps for their offense. Passing stats come easily and in large quantities for Mallett, who is as productive as they come at the quarterback spot.

After having an up-and-down season in 2009, he came back in 2010 after considering the NFL and proved that he could be smarter and more consistent with his decisions. He has shown great maturation since joining Arkansas in 2008 as a transfer from Michigan.

Mallett has all of the tools to become a sensational quarterback in the NFL. No matter the situation, he is a proven leader and hard worker, but can sometimes lose focus when things start to fall apart, as evidenced by Arkansas’ 2009 loss to Alabama. Mallett completed just 34 percent of his passes as the Razorbacks lost by a score of 35-7.

Teammates seem to rally around his vocal leadership and feed off his positive energy, but scouts will need to look into why coaches at Michigan had issues with him that eventually led to him transferring.

During spring practices in 2008, he missed the final two weeks due to an injured finger on his throwing hand. Other than that, there are no standout durability issues for Mallett.

Given the right coaching and the proper system, he could potentially put up big numbers in the NFL just as he did under Petrino. In order to succeed, he will need to work on controlling his strength on deep balls and making better decisions with defenders bearing down on him.

If the right circumstances arise, Mallett could come off the board in the late first/early second round of the 2011 draft.

He's got a lot of the same things the QBs in this class have, in different combinations, but enough (I think) to warrant a 1st round grade. Definitely NFL starter material.

Size
Major conference
Prolific
Pro style offense
Pocket Passer
Arm strength
Good decisions


What am I missing?

 

[Exascor]

What am I missing?

He had off the field issues but I haven't been able to find any specifics.

PFT

Found this little tidbit on NFL.com from the same time of year as now. Sounds VERY similar to this year's draft. Sounds like the dark horse won...

NFL.com

1. Carolina not on his mind
Andrew Luck's decision to stay in school seems shocking now, since it just happened, but it's actually consistent with what the Stanford quarterback has said all along. The fallout? It seriously devalues Carolina's pick, the first one in the draft, which figured to be as marketable as any in recent memory. And the reason why is simple. "Andrew Luck," one college scout told me, "is the safest quarterback prospect to come along since Peyton Manning." What you were bound to hear over the next few months, had Luck come out, was how Arkansas' Ryan Mallett has a stronger arm. Which is exactly what folks said about Manning in comparison to Ryan Leaf. That brings us to the second point of impact. You might hear now that no quarterback can rise to No. 1. Like when Matt Leinart decided to return to USC in 2005 (Alex Smith went first), or when Sam Bradford went back to Oklahoma in 2009 (Matthew Stafford went first). Someone will, inevitably, go up there. The first candidate would be Mallett, but sources say off-field concerns are likely to affect his stock. That brings us to Missouri's Blaine Gabbert, with Auburn's Cam Newton as the dark horse.

 

[thunderkyss]

He had off the field issues but I haven't been able to find any specifics.

PFT

Found this little tidbit on NFL.com from the same time of year as now. Sounds VERY similar to this year's draft. Sounds like the dark horse won...

NFL.com

To me, that sounds like Mallet should be given heavy consideration. OB drafted him. If he's matured some since then, he could be a steal. The Patriots wanted a high 2nd for him last year, I don't see why they'd want more this year.

The season we traded for Schaub, the Falcons were asking for a 1st, Rick Smith talked them into two 2s. If he can pull that off this year, give up two 3s for Mallet, or even this years 3 & next years 2, that would be a steal....

If Mallet delivers.

 

[bah007]

Major knocks that I remember against Mallet were:

- That he was not a good leader. He had a ton of confidence but his teammates were turned off by his arrogance and inability to accept that anything could be his fault. This was a rumor that I never saw supported in writing, but maybe it was his interviews that caused him to drop in the draft?

- He time and time again crumbled at the end of games when his team needed him to step up.

- He was rumored to have been involved with some major drugs. I don't remember which ones exactly but something like cocaine or meth. Again, this was only a rumor as well.

I was never high on Mallet for reason #2. He always reminded me of Elvis Grbac, who did eventually have two good seasons with the Chiefs but that was it.

 

[thunderkyss]

- He time and time again crumbled at the end of games when his team needed him to step up.

Ok, if this is true (& should be easy to see), he's off the list.

 

[steelbtexan]

To me, that sounds like Mallet should be given heavy consideration. OB drafted him. If he's matured some since then, he could be a steal. The Patriots wanted a high 2nd for him last year, I don't see why they'd want more this year.

The season we traded for Schaub, the Falcons were asking for a 1st, Rick Smith talked them into two 2s. If he can pull that off this year, give up two 3s for Mallet, or even this years 3 & next years 2, that would be a steal....

If Mallet delivers.

Seems like a steal to me.

Has anybody heard anything about any issues Mallett has had since turning pro? Work ethic/drug problems etc....

It just took an 18-20 yr old kid (Mallett) awhile to mature. Just like most 18-20 yr old kids.

 

[steelbtexan]

Major knocks that I remember against Mallet were:

- That he was not a good leader. He had a ton of confidence but his teammates were turned off by his arrogance and inability to accept that anything could be his fault. This was a rumor that I never saw supported in writing, but maybe it was his interviews that caused him to drop in the draft?

- He time and time again crumbled at the end of games when his team needed him to step up.

- He was rumored to have been involved with some major drugs. I don't remember which ones exactly but something like cocaine or meth. Again, this was only a rumor as well.

I was never high on Mallet for reason #2. He always reminded me of Elvis Grbac, who did eventually have two good seasons with the Chiefs but that was it.

Valid questions, How many games did Arkansas win before Mallett got there? After he left? I don't remember him choking at the end of games. Mallett has more god given ability than Grbac ever had and more than any QB in this draft. IMHO We are not talking about another Schaub here.

 

[Marshall]

To me, that sounds like Mallet should be given heavy consideration. OB drafted him. If he's matured some since then, he could be a steal. The Patriots wanted a high 2nd for him last year, I don't see why they'd want more this year.

The season we traded for Schaub, the Falcons were asking for a 1st, Rick Smith talked them into two 2s. If he can pull that off this year, give up two 3s for Mallet, or even this years 3 & next years 2, that would be a steal....

If Mallet delivers.

As long as New England doesn't ask sure thing money or draft picks for a project, I'm OK with a trade and letting Keenum, Yates and Mallet compete. All have a better chance if we get better line play from either the draft or from IR.

 

[thunderkyss]

As long as New England doesn't ask sure thing money or draft picks for a project, I'm OK with a trade and letting Keenum, Yates and Mallet compete. All have a better chance if we get better line play from either the draft or from IR.

I still expect Richard Smith/OB to assess the QBs in this draft. If they think Mallet is a better prospect, then that's the direction I want them to go.

Even still, I would like Richard Smith to get better at acquiring draft capital, whether that is future picks, or talent worth trading for picks. IMO, that's one of his bigger failures as a GM.

Our future QB may not be in this draft, may not be Ryan Mallet, but we need to acquire the capital to allow us to move up in the draft if need be, without hurting our future.

 

[bah007]

Valid questions, How many games did Arkansas win before Mallett got there? After he left? I don't remember him choking at the end of games. Mallett has more god given ability than Grbac ever had and more than any QB in this draft. IMHO We are not talking about another Schaub here.

Arkansas went 8-5 in Houston Nutt's last season in 2007. They went 5-7 while transitioning from Nutt to Bobby Petrino in 2008. Then with Mallett, they went 8-5 and 10-3. In Petrino's final year they went 11-2 with Tyler Wilson at QB. They then went 4-8 with the same QB but with a different coach, John L. Smith.

Mallett was not responsible for Arkansas' success. Petrino was. Mallett was a key cog who put up good stats, but the team tied a school record with 11 wins the very next season after he left. With a QB who was drafted in the 4th round and promptly got cut because he couldn't beat out UDFA Matt McGloin to be the third string QB in Oakland.

Mallett may have a ton of ability but ability isn't everything. There are numerous examples of that. I still remember everyone making a deal of it when Brian Billick compared him to Ryan Leaf before the draft.

2010:
-In his final college game, down 5 points, his defense blocked a punt and gave him the ball on the 18 with a minute left. He threw an incompletion and then a pick.

-Earlier that year, they led Alabama 20-14 going into the fourth quarter. In that fourth quarter Mallett was 4/10 for 44 yards and 2 INTs. The first one set Bama up on the 12 yard line when they were down three points. They scored a TD to go up four with three minutes left. Next possession, Mallett throws another pick to seal the deal.

2009:
-Arkansas was down 7 to Ole Miss entering the fourth quarter. Arkansas only got the ball twice. Mallett didn't make the most of it. He went 3/6 for 44 yards and both drives ended with him taking sacks on 3rd down. Their last six plays they totaled -16 yards. -21 if you count the delay of game right before that sequence because Mallett didn't get the snap off in time with his team out of timeouts.

-Against Alabama they were down 14-7 with 10 mintues left in the third quarter. Mallett went 2/11 for 38 yards and an INT the rest of the way.

-Against Georgia they entered the fourth quarter down four points. He went 2/11 for 29 yards.
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That's five games in two years where he shrunk in crunch time. In most of those games he had nice looking stats. But the box score doesn't tell the story. When his team needed him he failed to deliver.

 

[TheIronDuke]

Yay let's trade for a back-up again! No sense actually drafting a QB when there's so many back-ups in the league!

 

[TheMatrix31]

No thanks on this guy. Sounds like way too much trouble and no real evidence he can play. Why the **** would we trade a higher-end pick for this guy, especially to the Patriots who are notorious for destroying people in trades? Am I missing something here? Just draft our own guy. Enough of this.

 

[thunderkyss]

No thanks on this guy. Sounds like way too much trouble and no real evidence he can play. Why the **** would we trade a higher-end pick for this guy, especially to the Patriots who are notorious for destroying people in trades? Am I missing something here? Just draft our own guy. Enough of this.

We have no more reason to believe Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles can play.

 

[infantrycak]

We have no more reason to believe Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles can play.

You mean other than they all have had superior college careers, have higher grades going into the draft, will go in the 1st round instead of the 3rd and have played in meaningful games in the past three years?

 

[IDEXAN]

I dunno what Mallet might cost us if our new HC wants him, but we've got the first pick in the 3rd round which is equivalent to the 74th pick (where Mallet was selected in '11) plus a 4th round pick, so maybe our 3rd rounder for Mallet would make sense. But would BB agree ?
Mallet is comparable to Matt Schaub in size and his sloth-footed footed agility, but there's one very significance difference: Schaub's got a .22 and Mallet has a Howitzer.

 

[drs23]

Arkansas went 8-5 in Houston Nutt's last season in 2007. They went 5-7 while transitioning from Nutt to Bobby Petrino in 2008. Then with Mallett, they went 8-5 and 10-3. In Petrino's final year they went 11-2 with Tyler Wilson at QB. They then went 4-8 with the same QB but with a different coach, John L. Smith.

Mallett was not responsible for Arkansas' success. Petrino was. Mallett was a key cog who put up good stats, but the team tied a school record with 11 wins the very next season after he left. With a QB who was drafted in the 4th round and promptly got cut because he couldn't beat out UDFA Matt McGloin to be the third string QB in Oakland.

Mallett may have a ton of ability but ability isn't everything. There are numerous examples of that. I still remember everyone making a deal of it when Brian Billick compared him to Ryan Leaf before the draft.

2010:
-In his final college game, down 5 points, his defense blocked a punt and gave him the ball on the 18 with a minute left. He threw an incompletion and then a pick.

-Earlier that year, they led Alabama 20-14 going into the fourth quarter. In that fourth quarter Mallett was 4/10 for 44 yards and 2 INTs. The first one set Bama up on the 12 yard line when they were down three points. They scored a TD to go up four with three minutes left. Next possession, Mallett throws another pick to seal the deal.

2009:
-Arkansas was down 7 to Ole Miss entering the fourth quarter. Arkansas only got the ball twice. Mallett didn't make the most of it. He went 3/6 for 44 yards and both drives ended with him taking sacks on 3rd down. Their last six plays they totaled -16 yards. -21 if you count the delay of game right before that sequence because Mallett didn't get the snap off in time with his team out of timeouts.

-Against Alabama they were down 14-7 with 10 mintues left in the third quarter. Mallett went 2/11 for 38 yards and an INT the rest of the way.

-Against Georgia they entered the fourth quarter down four points. He went 2/11 for 29 yards.
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That's five games in two years where he shrunk in crunch time. In most of those games he had nice looking stats. But the box score doesn't tell the story. When his team needed him he failed to deliver.

Yeah, that's the guy I want...to be nowhere near a Texan's roster. I keep seeing his completion percentage since turning pro. One for you, one for us.

No thanks. I don't see how anyone, especially the guys I see signing off on it can say that with a straight face.

 

[drs23]

We have no more reason to believe Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles can play.

TK, how can you say that with a straight face? He was rated way up there with Gabbert and Locker.

 

[thunderkyss]

You mean other than they all have had superior college careers, have higher grades going into the draft, will go in the 1st round instead of the 3rd and have played in meaningful games in the past three years?

Sorry counselor, you're going to have to "define" "superior college careers" show me the draft grades you speak of.

I'm also not sure that Bridgewater would go in the first round in the same draft as Newton, Locker, & Ponder.

How many meaningful games did Colin Kaepernick play in 2011? Or Aaron Rodgers in 2005, 2006, or 2007?

From everything I've read, Mallet was as successful as any of these QBs in this draft (save Heisman winner Manziel), ran a pro style offense with Petrino, has the size, has the arm..... but because of some off field issues, he fell in the draft.

He's had some time to mature, he's studied under the GOAT, he's been coached by the GOAT...

 

[TheMatrix31]

We have no more reason to believe Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles can play.

You mean other than they all have had superior college careers, have higher grades going into the draft, will go in the 1st round instead of the 3rd and have played in meaningful games in the past three years?

And the fact that we don't have to give up a pick to get him?

Look, if that's the guy they feel most comfortable with going with, then okay whatever. I would just hate that move. He's not even like Schaub or Foles or Cousins or some other backup that's shown glimmers in limited time. This guy has literally shown nothing other than being on the roster that O'Brien helped coach for a couple years.

Add to the fact that he appears to be a cancer? **** that. Stay far, far away.

 

[gohogs14]

Arkansas went 8-5 in Houston Nutt's last season in 2007. They went 5-7 while transitioning from Nutt to Bobby Petrino in 2008. Then with Mallett, they went 8-5 and 10-3. In Petrino's final year they went 11-2 with Tyler Wilson at QB. They then went 4-8 with the same QB but with a different coach, John L. Smith.

Mallett was not responsible for Arkansas' success. Petrino was. Mallett was a key cog who put up good stats, but the team tied a school record with 11 wins the very next season after he left. With a QB who was drafted in the 4th round and promptly got cut because he couldn't beat out UDFA Matt McGloin to be the third string QB in Oakland.

Mallett may have a ton of ability but ability isn't everything. There are numerous examples of that. I still remember everyone making a deal of it when Brian Billick compared him to Ryan Leaf before the draft.

2010:
-In his final college game, down 5 points, his defense blocked a punt and gave him the ball on the 18 with a minute left. He threw an incompletion and then a pick.

-Earlier that year, they led Alabama 20-14 going into the fourth quarter. In that fourth quarter Mallett was 4/10 for 44 yards and 2 INTs. The first one set Bama up on the 12 yard line when they were down three points. They scored a TD to go up four with three minutes left. Next possession, Mallett throws another pick to seal the deal.

2009:
-Arkansas was down 7 to Ole Miss entering the fourth quarter. Arkansas only got the ball twice. Mallett didn't make the most of it. He went 3/6 for 44 yards and both drives ended with him taking sacks on 3rd down. Their last six plays they totaled -16 yards. -21 if you count the delay of game right before that sequence because Mallett didn't get the snap off in time with his team out of timeouts.

-Against Alabama they were down 14-7 with 10 mintues left in the third quarter. Mallett went 2/11 for 38 yards and an INT the rest of the way.

-Against Georgia they entered the fourth quarter down four points. He went 2/11 for 29 yards.
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That's five games in two years where he shrunk in crunch time. In most of those games he had nice looking stats. But the box score doesn't tell the story. When his team needed him he failed to deliver.

His 2009 season was his first year starting so he was very raw and admittedly had some pretty bad games on the road that year. But he still had 5 TDs against georgia...if you still lose after that then it's on your defense (which was horrible)

In 2010 though the only real "choke" i thought he had was alabama. In the ohio state game his WRs dropped about 12 passes, several for scores, in that game so it shouldn't have even come to that. He also led late comeback wins against Georgia and Mississippi State.

You mean other than they all have had superior college careers, have higher grades going into the draft, will go in the 1st round instead of the 3rd and have played in meaningful games in the past three years?

Don't know if i agree with you there, Mallett only played for two years and holds a ton of records

-Set or tied 43 school records in his time at Arkansas
-His career average of 29.6 yards per touchdown pass is the highest in SEC history
-His 158.1 career passing efficiency ranking is the third-highest in SEC history
-He threw for at least one touchdown in 25 of 26 Arkansas starts, multiple touchdowns in 15 starts at Arkansas and three or more touchdowns in 13 starts as a Razorback
-Finished 7th in the heisman trophy voting in 2010, just ahead of Colin Kaepernick and Andy Dalton

Teammates seem to rally around his vocal leadership and feed off his positive energy, but scouts will need to look into why coaches at Michigan had issues with him that eventually led to him transferring.

During spring practices in 2008, he missed the final two weeks due to an injured finger on his throwing hand. Other than that, there are no standout durability issues for Mallett.

The first comment is kinda odd to me, he left because the new coach wanted a dual-threat QB like he had with pat white at west virginia and that doesnt suit his style. He also broke his foot in the offseason before the 2010 season but they left that out

 

[steelbtexan]

Arkansas went 8-5 in Houston Nutt's last season in 2007. They went 5-7 while transitioning from Nutt to Bobby Petrino in 2008. Then with Mallett, they went 8-5 and 10-3. In Petrino's final year they went 11-2 with Tyler Wilson at QB. They then went 4-8 with the same QB but with a different coach, John L. Smith.

Mallett was not responsible for Arkansas' success. Petrino was. Mallett was a key cog who put up good stats, but the team tied a school record with 11 wins the very next season after he left. With a QB who was drafted in the 4th round and promptly got cut because he couldn't beat out UDFA Matt McGloin to be the third string QB in Oakland.

Mallett may have a ton of ability but ability isn't everything. There are numerous examples of that. I still remember everyone making a deal of it when Brian Billick compared him to Ryan Leaf before the draft.

2010:
-In his final college game, down 5 points, his defense blocked a punt and gave him the ball on the 18 with a minute left. He threw an incompletion and then a pick.

-Earlier that year, they led Alabama 20-14 going into the fourth quarter. In that fourth quarter Mallett was 4/10 for 44 yards and 2 INTs. The first one set Bama up on the 12 yard line when they were down three points. They scored a TD to go up four with three minutes left. Next possession, Mallett throws another pick to seal the deal.

2009:
-Arkansas was down 7 to Ole Miss entering the fourth quarter. Arkansas only got the ball twice. Mallett didn't make the most of it. He went 3/6 for 44 yards and both drives ended with him taking sacks on 3rd down. Their last six plays they totaled -16 yards. -21 if you count the delay of game right before that sequence because Mallett didn't get the snap off in time with his team out of timeouts.

-Against Alabama they were down 14-7 with 10 mintues left in the third quarter. Mallett went 2/11 for 38 yards and an INT the rest of the way.

-Against Georgia they entered the fourth quarter down four points. He went 2/11 for 29 yards.
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That's five games in two years where he shrunk in crunch time. In most of those games he had nice looking stats. But the box score doesn't tell the story. When his team needed him he failed to deliver.

This makes me ask why isn't Petrino the new HC of the Texans. LOL

 

[steelbtexan]

I dunno what Mallet might cost us if our new HC wants him, but we've got the first pick in the 3rd round which is equivalent to the 74th pick (where Mallet was selected in '11) plus a 4th round pick, so maybe our 3rd rounder for Mallet would make sense. But would BB agree ?
Mallet is comparable to Matt Schaub in size and his sloth-footed footed agility, but there's one very significance difference: Schaub's got a .22 and Mallet has a Howitzer.

Mallett is basically Mettenberger with experience in BO'B's system. If McNair truly believes that the Texans are a short turnaround, then Mallett is a better bet than any rookie QB that will be drafted.

 

[bah007]

This makes me ask why isn't Petrino the new HC of the Texans. LOL

If he knew how to drive a motorcycle he would probably already be getting his second shot in the NFL.

 

[steelbtexan]

And the fact that we don't have to give up a pick to get him?

Look, if that's the guy they feel most comfortable with going with, then okay whatever. I would just hate that move. He's not even like Schaub or Foles or Cousins or some other backup that's shown glimmers in limited time. This guy has literally shown nothing other than being on the roster that O'Brien helped coach for a couple years.

Add to the fact that he appears to be a cancer? **** that. Stay far, far away.

Uhhhhh!!!!! Mallett is Tom Brady's backup. That probably explains a few things. Tell me about all of the trouble Mallett has been in since becoming an NFL player?

I understand the fanbase not wanting to go down this road again. But know this, Mallett has more god given ability than Schaub ever had. Smart- Schaub-Mallett even, Mobility Schaub= Mallett, Mallett is probably more mobile. Arm strength Mallett>Schaub No comparison.

BTW, I trust BO'B to make this call.

 

[steelbtexan]

If he knew how to drive a motorcycle he would probably already be getting his second shot in the NFL.

True

I wonder if Arian will be held to the same standard? LOL

 

[thunderkyss]

If he knew how to drive a motorcycle he would probably already be getting his second shot in the NFL.

 

[Goatcheese]

Mallet is comparable to Matt Schaub in size and his sloth-footed footed agility, but there's one very significance difference: Schaub's got a .22 and Mallet has a Howitzer.

Mallet makes Schaub look like a world class athlete and it's really not close.

5.24 vs 5.04 40
24 vs 30 vertical
103 vs 110 broad jump

Schaub was explosive in comparison (pre-injury obviously).

 

[IDEXAN]

Mallett is basically Mettenberger with experience in BO'B's system. If McNair truly believes that the Texans are a short turnaround, then Mallett is a better bet than any rookie QB that will be drafted.

Or maybe BOB just feels that Mallett is a better QB for his offense than any rookie coming out, no matter if there's a multi-year turnaround to competitive form for the Texans or not ?

 

[MistaRed]

Ryan Mallet coming here via trade is something that would interest me. Longshot it happens though.

 

[gohogs14]

Mallett is basically Mettenberger with experience in BO'B's system. If McNair truly believes that the Texans are a short turnaround, then Mallett is a better bet than any rookie QB that will be drafted.

Yeah i always thought Mettenberger was a poor man's Mallett. Their styles are pretty similar, and they both had/have off the field concerns.

If he knew how to drive a motorcycle he would probably already be getting his second shot in the NFL.

lol after what happened with the falcons i don't think any team would take a risk on him, and i don't think he wants to either. I think he realizes he's a college coach. I could see him being a solid NFL OC again though if his career ever takes a dive or something

 

[IDEXAN]

Yeah i always thought Mettenberger was a poor man's Mallett. Their styles are pretty similar, and they both had/have off the field concerns.

Mallet may be as bad as Schaub, maybe even worse when it comes to running boots, but his arm alone makes him a different kind of prospect that Schaub. I mean if BOB really wants a vertical game say instead of a more WCO like Kubiak ran, he's got that with one guy but not the other.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

My preference between draft and other trade potentials remains Mallet. A nice honest assessment of Mallet from a July 2013 piece.

As for Ryan Mallett on the field, he has been blessed with alot of talent. Although he is slow, he has a cannon for an arm, arguably the strongest in the NFL. Despite his slow speed, he has shown he can escape from the pocket both at Arkansas and in the Preseason with the Patriots. He makes all of the right reads, has a great football IQ, is tall, has big hands and possesses a large wingspan. His height and wingspan are especially useful because he can see over the defense easier, making use of the whole field with his eyes. In addition, he can lift the football high in the air given his long arms. If he can learn ball security, this should help him avoid fumbling in the NFL when opposing defenses try to strip sack him or he takes off to scramble out of the pocket. In some ways, both athletically and when it comes to smarts, he is very similar to Brady. At 6'6'' 245 lbs he is a mountain of a man and he towers over the legendary Tom Brady who is 6'4'' 225 lbs. They both have similar 40 times too as Brady runs a 5.28 and Mallett runs a 5.37. As for his smarts, if you saw any of the 2011 pre draft coverage showed on ESPN you know ho much he knows about football. Mallett broke down game film with Jon Gruden and he knew everything Gruden was going to throw at him. As someone who can retain alot of information, and having Belichick and Brady as mentors, Mallett should be able to pick opposing defenses apart in a few years as Brady does now.

Regarding his weaknesses, he needs to learn better accuracy in the NFL, which should come with time. Especially, on touch passes the ball tends to sail over receivers' heads more often than he would like. Another problem with Mallett so far is that he throws the ball too hard on short throws sometimes. Two specific examples come to mind, both in the preseason for the Patriots. In the first example, Mallett threw a rocket to former Patriots receiver Taylor Price when he was only a few yards away coming over the middle. The throw sailed a little bit and Price got slammed by an oncoming defender while trying to make the catch. This not only could have severly injured Price, but it also caused him to drop the pass. The other example was when he threw a pass to former Pats WR Buddy Farnham over the middle. The ball went off of his hands because he anticipated a softer pass instead of a rocket out of Mallet's hand. He must learn to take some velocity off of his short throws if he wants to be a successful NFL QB.

With all that said, I believe that Ryan Mallett is a future star in the league but he has alot of work to do to get there. It would be a big mistake if the Patriots trade him as he can be the heir apparent to Tom Brady. If you are the Patriots, why would you trade a player with Mallett's potential for a 2nd round pick or possibly less, when you have an aging QB in Brady and Mallett is only 25 years old. If the worst were to happen and Brady were to have a season ending injury, Mallett would be a nice security blanket to have step in.

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The latter question is not one that I have a great answer for.

 

[infantrycak]

My preference between draft and other trade potentials remains Mallet. A nice honest assessment of Mallet from a July 2013 piece.

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The latter question is not one that I have a great answer for.

I do. Brady is likely to play for another 5 years. Neither Mallett nor the Pats is going to want the heir apparent taking over at 30 years old. They would have to franchise him to keep him, he's on the last year of his contract.