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What should the Texans do with their number one pick?
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kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
bhsman
Rookie
Mettenberger is probably a first-round pick if not for his injury, which is why people have been pushing for him as our second pick after Clowney.
bhsman
Rookie
Who's pushing for Clowney ??! I know of many more who don't want him than do ....
I'm personally leaning towards Clowney in the first to improve Watt's effectiveness and make the defense that much better. Picking Clowney would also be good, however, just slightly less effective overall.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
He has the opportunity to play better because the line is giving him more time. I suspect the same would happen with last years QBs and without improvement in the line play, the same 'poor QB' play will result regardless of the new QB savior. Both can make the other look better, but both are required for optimal results.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
You've been saying this a lot, but I think if your evaluations come up with Manziel or Teddy B as being the best fit and a good to great player as well you gotta take one of those two over the defensive stud.
If the QB sucks, he doesn't have that much in the way of getting a new one (because hey if your QB sucks then you're going to be back in the top 5 or 10 of the draft pretty soon) contract wise and the Texans do have a gigantic hole at the position. I think Clowney could be a great one, but we have Watt who is on the way to becoming great himself, and if one of the top QB's turn into great players I'd much rather have Watt on a team with a great QB than another great DE.
drs23
Veteran
And I'll add: If at all.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Great post. Couldn't agree more.
My buddy text me after that game stating "This is why you move heaven and earth to find a franchise elite QB." I've stated it many times as well. Playoff games come down to last minute drives, and great QB's have to come alive. The great ones do more than not in those situations. When you look at a lot of the franchises that have struggled over the years around the league it is mainly the ones that have not had a real good QB in a really long time. The Dolphins, Bills, Vikings, Raiders, Jags, Cardinals, and etc. You could add the Texans to this list as well considering that we made two playoff runs in 12 years and had just a few good years from Schaub. Teams with great QB's usually stay towards the top half of the league on a more consistent basis.
The Texans could trade away this entire draft class for future picks if they want to move heaven and earth.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I've considered joking that the Texans should do this.
Trade 1-1 for some teams #1 pick for the next 3 years.
That way BOB gets to evaluate the players for a year and can make an informed decision of where to draft in the future.
I'm now more confident than ever that they will in fact go QB first round.
bOODRO87
Time Consumer
You wanna wager something with Pay Pal?
bah007
Hall of Fame
I'm all in on Bridgewater at this point, unless a pretty big obstacle/issue pops up between now and the draft.
But even then, the opportunity to get both of CLE's 1st round picks to move back just 3 spots would make me stop and think.
The more options we have the better.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Is there a post of yours somewhere explaining what you like about him? I've respected your draft research in the past. Admittedly, I'm just getting started on the draft. I just can't get a grasp of the QBs thus far going by what I've seen.
Presently, I wouldn't even stop and think. I'd be all over that trade like white on rice
There is no way in hell we pass that up. In fact if it's true that Cleveland does want Manziel that bad we should start spreading the rumor about how impressed we are with Manziel right before the draft.
kingtexan
All Pro
Didn't say they wouldn't grab one in the first round, but it wont be the first pick overall.
kingtexan
All Pro
No but I would be happy to bet with you at a draft party or something of that sort.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I have Bridgewater ranked as the top QB in this class in accuracy, decision making, pocket presence, and pre snap reads. He is the most pro ready QB in this class. He has a mind for the game and all of the required physical tools.
His arm strength is not elite, but it's NFL quality. His size is not ideal, but I think that he will grow into his frame a little bit more. I don't like how skinny he is but it's not a deal breaker. He also tends to hold the ball a little bit low in the pocket, but I think it's a fixable issue.
What it tells me is that there are still two ways to get to the playoffs and win (at least one game):
1) dominant QB play: Rivers, Brady, Manning, Brees
2) defenses that are so good your QB is allowed to become, in effect, an outstanding game manager (Wilson) or make seriously garbage throws on a semi-regular occasion (Kaepernick and Newton).
*) I guess Luck defies my categorizations because he was certainly not a "dominant" player the other day but his supporting cast is among the worst in the NFL so there's no way he fits into the 2nd category.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Here's a decent break down by rotoworld of the "top" QB's in this years draft.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45952/349/2014s-quarterback-conundrum
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45952/349/2014s-quarterback-conundrum
I would not change a single word.
Great find. Rep your way.
badboy
Hall of Fame
The way I look at it, swapping firsts is no incentative so the only enticement is for more to be added. The second first is not enough imo. "what are you willing to give for me to trade down missing the three highest selected players?" Pressure is on Cleveland not to miss on the next "great quarterback".
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Yes, he is. Although, he did pull the wool over the Colts eyes on Richardson. He might end up being a decent RB, but currently, the Colts took that one up the poop chute
bah007
Hall of Fame
LOL at this nugget from Kiper about Locker, "..He didn't have a great final year at Washington coming into the draft..."
No kidding. It was a huge red flag that everybody saw, and yet all the ESPN draft gurus glossed over it as if it didn't mean anything. Now that the writing is on the wall he is going to use that as if it's something he agreed with at the time? Funny.
No kidding. It was a huge red flag that everybody saw, and yet all the ESPN draft gurus glossed over it as if it didn't mean anything. Now that the writing is on the wall he is going to use that as if it's something he agreed with at the time? Funny.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I still remember when he called Reggie Bush the next Gale Sayers and Barry Sanders packaged into one player. And 4 years later, including 2 Mario Pro-Bowls and 2 Bush injury filled seasons, he still had the balls to say Mario was the wrong pick.
Manziel is going to get his narrow little azz broken in 2 sometime very shortly after he arrives to the NFL if he keeps playing the brand of ball he did in college.
He's not 250 like Cam or Luck or Ben and just won't hold up to that kind of pounding and therefor will need to learn to play in the pocket. And Manziel as a pocket passer just ain't no Johhny Football.
How many big hits did he take at A&M?
Too many comparatively graded QBs in this draft. I think a number of these guys taken in the second or later are going to end up having very nice NFL careers. Mettenberger, McCarren, Murray, even Garrapulo if no one takes him in the first.
I didn't see that many games but of the ones I saw he got banged up real good a couple times, and that includes the bowl game against Duke. He was hurting and had to leave the field. He is just not a big guy and will need to significantly modify his game when he arrives in the NFL.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Enough for his biggest supporters to blame all of his issues on injuries he suffered during the season and that the only reason he was even playing in those games was because he was so tough and competitive.
Yea I don't think there's that much difference between these guys and the so-called first tier including Manziel & Bridgwater.
And is John McClain that close to the people running the Texans so he would haveinfo on their Draft plans ? I doubt if they've even completed their prelim evaluation of potential #1 picks at this point ?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well once the draft is done y'all are going to find the NFL disagrees with your assessment that there isn't much difference.
No McClain doesn't have great inside info into the Texans unless things have changed under OB, but even a blind walrus can see a 1st round QB is a 90% chance.
I'm only seeing marginal differences between Manziel & Bridgewater & Bartles vs
Carr & Garoppolo & Fales. We will see what BOB & RS see ? Perhaps you are right, or maybe not ? It's very early in the process.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
No, it is very late in the process. It is only early in the frenetic draftnik season. The process began when the players hit their college campuses. The players have finished their play time and college careers. The only thing left for them is the underwear olympics.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Agreed. The #1 tool for scouting prospects is their film, which is complete.
You use combines and workouts to verify what you saw on tape, not the other way around.
I'm referring to the Texans' player evaluation process in preparation of their
Draft Board.
TexansFTW
Veteran
BOB: Alright guys, who do we have at QB?
Staff: Case Keenum, Matt Schaub, and TJ Yates
BOB: OK, who is the best QB available in this year's draft?
Well of course the film is there, the most recent college football season was completed months ago. But O'brien has just in recent days completed assembling his new staff, so they've had scant time to complete their process and conclude their player assessments, rankings, etc.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
These guys don't sit around picking their noses all year long waiting for January and a truckload of film to arrive:
Mike Maccagnan - Director of College Scouting
Bob Beers - College Scout
Ryan Cavanaugh - College Scout
Rob Kisiel - College Scout
Mike Martin - College Scout
Bob Merritt - College Scout
Nathan Trott - College Scout
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I'm not sure who's still there and who's gone among the Texans' college scouting department after BOBs coup of that staff which left several in managerial positions in the unemployment line, but I know last year these guys were scouting personnel on their assumption that they'd play in Kubiak's WCO/ZBS and Wade Phillips 3-4, and obviously that's all changed.
But in any case scouts accumulate data and recommend, they aren't decision makers. We got a long ways to go here.
I don't remember ever seeing him take one of these. Manziel is very good at avoiding big hits. He was used as a runner at A&M a lot. That won't be the cSe in the pro's. He will be just fine in the pros.