Good to see you T. Any thoughts on Connor Shaw? Will he be drafted.
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Blake Bortles
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Good to see you T. Any thoughts on Connor Shaw? Will he be drafted.
Texian
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Yes I think he will. He could be the QB surprise in this draft. I think he wll go earlier than many think, maybe as early as the 3rd rd.
Uncle Rico
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Admittedly, no I haven't felt the need to research a guy who some wanted to play TE and who is the 'flavor of the week' funny I havent heard of Bortles til this year. Not that it means anything, just saying.
Ugly 3rd down pass under duress should have been picked.
hot pickle
Canada Eh
I would really like the texans to take bortles. he is sky rocketing on mock drafts lately and I believe after combine and interviews he shoots to the top
leebigeztx
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Petty is a 4th rd talent. His mechanics are awful. Its a horizontal stretch offense which they don't even have plays. The reason why Rg3 was drafted as high as he was despite this jr offense was his cannon,feet,and high iq. Petty doesn't have the arm or the feet,not sure about his iq. No one rates this guy anywhere despite the cartoonish numbers.
drs23
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How long does that take though? I've heard the knock plenty of times about the transition from playing in the spread to the pro game. The closest I saw Bortels to the center was in the huddle until the victory formation. Someone mentioned upthread about a "lazer" he delivered. I watched every play and I didn't see it and that's what I was looking for. He delivered a few bombs right on target, right in stride but I saw more overthrown than "dropped in the bucket". When I watched TB I saw smoke trailing off the ball on his throws over the middle.
What am I missing?
While I will agree his mechanics were screwed up tonight. Petty has a cannon for an arm.
leebigeztx
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Shallow crosses off the spread is all I saw. I watched 4 games because you were talking him up,that dude is gonna be a 4th rd pick at best next year.
htownfan32
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I dunno about a cannon, but I do like the way he hit a few throws in stride. Still not all that high on Petty though, same concern with him as with Manziel although they are different QBs - system qb or not? Petty is a wild card to me more than a sure-fire thing.
htownfan32
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Tan-mom orange ain't really my thing but she's still pretty hot.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Bortles receives a 2nd round grade from NFL advisory panel.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SeniorBowlPhil/status/418606451284664322?screen_name=SeniorBowlPhil
I will say he looks the part, strong arm big kid. Better served by staying in school imo.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SeniorBowlPhil/status/418606451284664322?screen_name=SeniorBowlPhil
I will say he looks the part, strong arm big kid. Better served by staying in school imo.
TexansFTW
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Very interesting. The advisory panel is generally pretty accurate too. I think he can improve his stock though, especially at the combine. Jake Locker, when healthy this year, actually looked like an NFL QB to me.
Texian
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FYI - the advisory council almost always returns a non 1st Rd grade for any QB that does not have a minimum of 30 college starts. In Bortles case I think he has 28 or 29 cllege starts. The fact that he received a 2nd RD is actually very strong. A 3rd or 4th RD grade would have been reason for concern.
TexansFTW
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Good information, thanks. I was not aware.
Texian
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Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline 6m
Podcast @ 9PM: source intimate w/Bill O'Brien "Blake Bortles much more a Bill O'Brien QB than Teddy Bridgewater" http://www.blogtalkradio.com/draft_insider/2014/01/03/draft-insider-podcast
Podcast @ 9PM: source intimate w/Bill O'Brien "Blake Bortles much more a Bill O'Brien QB than Teddy Bridgewater" http://www.blogtalkradio.com/draft_insider/2014/01/03/draft-insider-podcast
We need the people in St.Louis to start talking up Clowney or whoever we expect St. Louis to take, to add more value to our pick.
Statements like the one you just posted adds more value to Cleveland's pick for anyone who wants Bridgewater. The guy they are currently selling as the best QB in this draft.
Texian
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It's on in 5 minutes so I will be tuning in to hear what the intimate source has to say
Texian
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Well that happened a lot sooner than I expected.
I am just glad they finally hung their open for business sign. Rams hung theirs on Monday.
Texian
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CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB 42m
Report: UCF QB Blake Bortles received a first-round grade from the NFL Draft Advisory Board. http://on.nfl.com/1lG2BY2
Report: UCF QB Blake Bortles received a first-round grade from the NFL Draft Advisory Board. http://on.nfl.com/1lG2BY2
Ole Miss Texan
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Don't want to sift through all the pages but I find the connection between Bill O'Brien and Blake Bortles pretty interesting.
- Saw him firsthand this season when Penn St. lost to UCF (who is coached by George O'leary)
- George O'leary hired Bill O'Brien to Georgia Tech in 1995 where they coached together through 2001
It's been said O'Brien comes more from the O'leary coaching tree than the Bilichick tree.... I'd suspect Bill has some conversations with his old pal George before the draft to get some "inside information" on a potential QB selection this draft.
- Saw him firsthand this season when Penn St. lost to UCF (who is coached by George O'leary)
- George O'leary hired Bill O'Brien to Georgia Tech in 1995 where they coached together through 2001
It's been said O'Brien comes more from the O'leary coaching tree than the Bilichick tree.... I'd suspect Bill has some conversations with his old pal George before the draft to get some "inside information" on a potential QB selection this draft.
Texian
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Connect the dots....nobody in a better position to get the straight skinny from George O'Leary than Bill O'Brien. Well Done Ole Miss!
Texian
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Rotoworld NFL Draft ‏@Rotoworld_Draft 5m
Brugler: Bortles will go No. 1 to Texans http://dlvr.it/4dPTj5
The 6-foot-5, 230-pound signal caller's movement skills and strength in the pocket remind us of Andrew Luck and Ben Roethlisberger.
Brugler: Bortles will go No. 1 to Texans http://dlvr.it/4dPTj5
The 6-foot-5, 230-pound signal caller's movement skills and strength in the pocket remind us of Andrew Luck and Ben Roethlisberger.
It's going to get harder & harder to decipher what is real & what is not the closer we get to draft day. One idiot tweets player X is a first round talent, then another, then another, then "people" start believing it & using said reports as evidence of Player Xs greatness.
I've never heard that Bortles reminded anyone of Andrew Luck & I don't see how someone can remind anyone of Luck & Roethlisberger simultaneously.
By this time next week I wouldn't be surprised if we see two more reports linking one of these guys to Bortles... then it becomes fact.
aussie_texan
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these links have been made for a while.
its more about his physical stature and his throwing motion that are similar.
No one is saying they are similar prospects in terms of talent.
this sums it up well http://fansided.com/2013/11/22/ucf-qb-blake-bortles-similarities-andrew-luck/
kiwitexansfan
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Draft experts end up saying contrary things and great things about everyone just to cover their bases so they cha say yep we knew to make themselves look good.
leebigeztx
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When bridgewater gets on the chalkboard, its gonna be over for those qbs running those jr high offenses.
Uncle Rico
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Bortles has around 200 yards against Baylor without the awesome effort and YAC from his receiver. Just sayin.
He might have the brawn, but that alone won't get it done. Making 1 read or dumping off won't get it done at the next level ask Jake Locker. Everyone said Bortles ran a pro offense, but it was more of the same collegiate shenanigans. He isn't fitting the ball into spots or making adjustments.
I wish someone would pose a better argument than his physical traits.
Why hasnt he made a name for himself prior to this year? Flavor of the week like Ponder,Gabbett,Smith,Manuel.
I see a lot of Jamarcus Russel in Bortles.
He might have the brawn, but that alone won't get it done. Making 1 read or dumping off won't get it done at the next level ask Jake Locker. Everyone said Bortles ran a pro offense, but it was more of the same collegiate shenanigans. He isn't fitting the ball into spots or making adjustments.
I wish someone would pose a better argument than his physical traits.
Why hasnt he made a name for himself prior to this year? Flavor of the week like Ponder,Gabbett,Smith,Manuel.
I see a lot of Jamarcus Russel in Bortles.
Texian
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hold on....I watched most of Andrew Luck's games at Stanford. I can say IMO that that Blake Bortles is the equal or on par with Andrew Luck when Luck was in his 2nd year as a starter with Stanford.
Comp/ATT.......%.......Yards.........YPA.......TDs...... INTs......... QBR
Luck 263/372......70.7.....3338....9.0......... 32.....8......... 170.2
Bortles 259/382.....67.8 ..3581....9.38....... 25 .....9.......... 163.4
You often hear the Texans need to draft this defensive player because they will have to face Luck for the next dozen years. What better player to draft to counter Andrew Luck than a mirror image of Andrew Luck, Blake Bortles?
Honoring Earl 34
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Not even close .
One ran a pro style offense while the other runs the offense of VY and Tebow .
infantrycak
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You're confusing Manning and Luck.
Exascor
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Not to mention competition level. While I think it's dumb to suggest Bridgewater or Bortles competition level should be a negative, when comparing stats you do have to take it into account.
I will say this. Andrew Luck never did anything super impressive in Stanford that I saw. He just did everything very well. That's what makes me laugh at people downplaying Bridgewater. That's what he does. Everything well - nothing flashy. Is Bridgewater as good as Luck? Probably not and he sure doesn't have the same body so that is a concern. I just see more of Luck's skill set in Bridgewater than in Bortles.
I'm not set on anyone yet but would say I'm currently thinking Bridgewater, Manziel & Bortles in that order. I'm sure that will change many times over the next 4 months. I'm not a trade down guy. If they really like one QB more than the rest you take him at 1-1.
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I think this QB class is getting distorted by the " looks the part " angle .
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Texian
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Nope, Manning doesn't play for the Colts or in the division anymore. In 2 years Luck is the Div champ and the Texans nemesis for the nest dozen years.
infantrycak
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Let's go over this again:
People said that about drafting to stop Manning, eg. Mario. They have not been saying it about Luck (other than you).
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Texian
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Luck vs Texans = 3-1, the Colts are $40 mil under the cap, it will get worse. There will be more saying it, because you haven't heard about it or are aware that people ARE in fact saying it doesn't mean people aren't saying that about Luck and the Texans, THEY ARE. Several say Clowney and Watt is the Texans best answer to Luck. Either get up to speed or cease and desist.
Honoring Earl 34
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You build your team the best you can and see how you compete . The Colts have some major holes yet to fill and the Texans handled them easy for a half at Reliant . The Colts made adjustments and won the game .
IF Bill can coach , the Texans closed the gap . If they get a QB they closed it more .
GuerillaBlack
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I would be pissed if they took him number one overall. No if they traded back and picked him up late in the top ten or something, then that's fine. Unless Manziel is there, of course
Texian
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A common fixation that is irrelevant and wrong.
Texian
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The Colts have $40 mil to spend, the Texans DON'T.
WolverineFan
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Just because they have $40 million to spend doesn't mean they will fix all of their holes. Hell, they gave up a 1st round pick for their backup RB.
I do agree that they are in much better position than the Texans. Mainly because they have a QB and we don't.
Honoring Earl 34
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Nothing is irrelevant when it's somebody you don't like .
Just because they have money doesn't mean they can get the right players . This isn't the NFL player shopping network with a money back guarantee .
Texian
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Unlike most here there is no preconceived like or dislike. Only reality based unbiased and objectivity. There is the ability to think beyond the 2013 Sugar Bowl, there is the ability to think for one's self not what the media tells you to believe.
There is no difference in a 20 yard pass from shotgun formation in a Pro Set or some kind of spread. A 20 yard out is a 20 yard out, a 40 yard post is a 40 yard post, a 15 yard cross is a 15 yard cross, a 12 yard hook is 12 yard hook. A 25 yard TD run is a 25 yard TD run.
Hint: Put your money on the team with $40 mil to be more competitive than a team with only $8 Mil. Basic common sense and logic vs a whole bunch of wishing and hoping.
For an apples to "kinda" apples comparison, how many yards did TeddyB have vs Miami without the awesome effort & YAC from his receiver?
Serious question, I'm not convinced Bortles belongs in the discussion, though I readily admit he is.
I've never heard anyone say that. But I have heard the, "Oh crap we've got to face Andrew Luck twice a year." I'm slowly coming around to believing Luck is going to be a good player, but still.... I don't think this way. Not even Brady is undefeated. It may be tougher to beat him than other QBs, but it makes us better, I think.
At the same time... I started the "Keenum vs Luck" thread with the same "anti-Luck" thought process. I want a player that our opponents say, "Awsht, we've got to face XXXX player." If Keenum proves not to be that guy (which so far, he has) then we need to draft a QB early in the draft (between picks 1 & 33).
If Bridgewater was a "Awsht, we've got to face Teddy twice a year." player, I'd be fine using the 1-1 on him. So far, all I'm getting is the Jag fans hoping we pass on him. They don't seem to be to worried about us likely picking him.
I guess that counts for something.