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What should the Texans do with their number one pick?

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76Texan

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The NFL had released the tentative order of the draft:
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/NFL-releases-Tentative-2014-Draft-Order/d93dc478-646e-4bfd-bc74-566e5c08a6e3

Five or six teams might be looking to draft a QB early.

These are the QB prospect ranking from CBS sports:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/QB

Remember that last year, there were a total of 3 QBs drafted in the first three rounds.

This year, there are 8 QBs graded as third rounder or higher.
And that doesn't include Mariotta or Hundley who have yet to declare their intention for real.

In my opinion, all these guys have little to big warts.

If I could cherry pick, I would trade down to take a guy like Mettenberger at 80 and or Murray at 160, Miller at 174, and then trade away for as many future draft picks as possible to target 3 or 4 QBs (not even counting Mariotta and Hundley) in 2015 or 2016. They all received high grades coming out of high school: Jameis Winston (Fl St.), Hackenberg (Penn St.), Jacob Park (Georgia bound), and Keller Chryst (Stanford bound).

The 3 guys here received the same grade as Winston (84) or higher.
Winston just won the Heissman and he looks the part.

There are 3 or 4 more guys who received higher grade than Winston in this HS class alone.

I say let the QB-starved teams get hooked for a few years with the current prospects in the upcoming draft and position yourself for better percentage in the near future.

Build both trenches and find stability in ST.
The Pats have been successful with this formula.
The Niners and Broncos are current models.

JMO, of course.
 
Are you not aware that we ARE a QB starved team? Are you not also aware that the 9ers and Pats are only able to build the trenches because they ALREADY have a QB and in the Pats case and the Broncos case, have a freaking all-world QB? And are you really looking at friggin HIGH SCHOOL players right now? WTF?
 
TheIronDuke said:
Are you not aware that we ARE a QB starved team? Are you not also aware that the 9ers and Pats are only able to build the trenches because they ALREADY have a QB and in the Pats case and the Broncos case, have a freaking all-world QB? And are you really looking at friggin HIGH SCHOOL players right now? WTF?
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The Niners and the broncos were building their trenches (by that I mean both sides of the ball) before Manning and Kaepernick.
 
76Texan said:
The Broncos, for example, traded away Cutler, and used those picks smartly.
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They also used a first round pick in drafting Cutler as well as used a first round pick on Tim Tebow. We don't have a QB who we can trade for picks like the Broncos did. We can't even use a supplemental pick we get from losing Mario Williams on anyone we can keep on the roster.
 
76Texan said:
Alex Smith? Who the new regime likes so much they couldn't wait to trade him away for a raw prospect in Kaepernick?
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I guess you're forgetting that he took them to the playoffs and lost his spot due to Kaep (a second round pick) playing well while he was injured and then was traded for picks? The same QB who is taking the Chiefs to the playoffs this weekend?
 
What you are suggesting means we are rebuilding. After drafting a QB it usually takes at least a year or two until he can really contribute - by that time our veterans (Cushing, Manning, JoJo, Smith, Myers, OD, AJ...) might not be on the team anymore or past their prime. Basically it would be a "let`s cash in on all we have and get ready fo the 2017 season".

I think this team is more looking to go the Chiefs/Colts way: get a new QB and new coaches, get some quick fixes for the other holes and look to compete right away. I also think, that the team has the talent to compete outside of QB - last season we got sucked into a downward spiral of suckiness and the coaches were clueless how to stop it. We also had some pretty bad injuries.

Get a QB, a RT (might already be on the team), an OLB and I think we are already looking decent. If we get a real playmaker at QB and OLB we are looking very good...
 
There's not a playoff team in the league who is built on only building the trenches and throwing a scrub out at QB who they picked up off a crap heap. The Chiefs even had to give up picks for Alex Smith, Seattle gave up picks for Matt Flynn and ended up drafting Russell Wilson as well. Hell, the Pats have used a higher pick on a QB than we have since we drafted David Carr! Only the Broncos got lucky getting Manning while we had our thumbs up our butt with Schaub but they still used 2 first round picks on QB's in the past 8 years.
 
I'm not opposed to moving into future higher quality QB drafts, but you have to address the position in some manner right now.

Each passing year is lost years from your good players on your team right now.

Regardless, I'll let OB make his own choices for his position group.
 
TheIronDuke said:
I guess you're forgetting that he took them to the playoffs and lost his spot due to Kaep (a second round pick) playing well while he was injured and then was traded for picks? The same QB who is taking the Chiefs to the playoffs this weekend?
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I've got to rep you here for what you've said this whole thread. It's just amazing to me when 2 different people can see the same sunset and one sees dark and the other sees light.

The people that see the dark have this amazing plan to start scouting maternity wards for QBs and their Elementary School Line Backer brothers.

The people that see the light see one of the best WRs to play football in the last 10 years time running out. They see an All-World DE. They see a pretty bad-A RB. They see a linebacking core with injury concerns that needs some work. They see a decent secondary. But they see nothing at THE MOST IMPORTANT position in football. Just a stupid guy punching the ground and crying as he collects a $11 Million Dollar Check as he is pushed out of the building.

They see the light fading on this picture though. And they KNOW that waiting until the year 2025 when Jesus comes down from the heavens throwing thunderbolts at the City of Indianapolis and breathing life into Peyton Manning and Tom Brady's womb at the same time is NOT the appropriate plan of action. I just pray that Rick Smith still sees the light and hasn't completely gone to the darkness yet.
 
This is insane. I heard this first grader down the street has an absolute CANNON for an arm. I am holding off on drafting a QB until he is eligible. Unless his younger brother looks better. Kid is only 1 week old, but nobody lays in a crib like this kid. Future HOF GOAT AINEC.
 
TexansFTW said:
I've got to rep you here for what you've said this whole thread. It's just amazing to me when 2 different people can see the same sunset and one sees dark and the other sees light.

The people that see the dark have this amazing plan to start scouting maternity wards for QBs and their Elementary School Line Backer brothers.

The people that see the light see one of the best WRs to play football in the last 10 years time running out. They see an All-World DE. They see a pretty bad-A RB. They see a linebacking core with injury concerns that needs some work. They see a decent secondary. But they see nothing at THE MOST IMPORTANT position in football. Just a stupid guy punching the ground and crying as he collects a $11 Million Dollar Check as he is pushed out of the building.

They see the light fading on this picture though. And they KNOW that waiting until the year 2025 when Jesus comes down from the heavens throwing thunderbolts at the City of Indianapolis and breathing life into Peyton Manning and Tom Brady's womb at the same time is NOT the appropriate plan of action. I just pray that Rick Smith still sees the light and hasn't completely gone to the darkness yet.
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Thanks man and I repped this post as well. I really just can't believe someone who's a Texans fan could have watched us play this year and not see that we need a QB.

Yes, we need a RT and a few picks on defense. But, my god, people are saying we should trade a pick for a scrub back-up like Mallett or sign some journeyman QB while we have a #1 overall in a pretty good QB draft class. When I see someone talk about how good the high school QB's are looking I just want to slam my head into a wall. I just don't know what to think anymore, I'm glad that there seems to be more rational posters here than crazy people.
 
rmartin65 said:
This is insane. I heard this first grader down the street has an absolute CANNON for an arm. I am holding off on drafting a QB until he is eligible. Unless his younger brother looks better. Kid is only 1 week old, but nobody lays in a crib like this kid. Future HOF GOAT AINEC.
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Instant gratification is hard to come by.
You need to have a short term goal, an intermediate goal, and a long range goal.
Obviously, you need some luck, but making a plan based on luck has a very low return percentage.

Sometimes I do feel (just like 99% of us do), that it's almost impossible to change one another's opinion, but I like engaging conversations.

I go back and read old posts, some I think have a good point.
The different opinions should make for a lively discussion, and not to harbor ill-wills.

One thing I can say is that I will listen (read) ( to) your opinion and give it the thought.
I only hope and want the same respect that I give out.
Cool?
 
76Texan said:
The NFL had released the tentative order of the draft:
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/NFL-releases-Tentative-2014-Draft-Order/d93dc478-646e-4bfd-bc74-566e5c08a6e3

Five or six teams might be looking to draft a QB early.

These are the QB prospect ranking from CBS sports:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/QB

Remember that last year, there were a total of 3 QBs drafted in the first three rounds.

This year, there are 8 QBs graded as third rounder or higher.
And that doesn't include Mariotta or Hundley who have yet to declare their intention for real.

In my opinion, all these guys have little to big warts.

If I could cherry pick, I would trade down to take a guy like Mettenberger at 80 and or Murray at 160, Miller at 174, and then trade away for as many future draft picks as possible to target 3 or 4 QBs (not even counting Mariotta and Hundley) in 2015 or 2016. They all received high grades coming out of high school: Jameis Winston (Fl St.), Hackenberg (Penn St.), Jacob Park (Georgia bound), and Keller Chryst (Stanford bound).

The 3 guys here received the same grade as Winston (84) or higher.
Winston just won the Heissman and he looks the part.

There are 3 or 4 more guys who received higher grade than Winston in this HS class alone.

I say let the QB-starved teams get hooked for a few years with the current prospects in the upcoming draft and position yourself for better percentage in the near future.

Build both trenches and find stability in ST.
The Pats have been successful with this formula.
The Niners and Broncos are current models.

JMO, of course.
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You can't write off an entire draft class at a position group before you get to the senior bowl/east west shrine game, nfl combine, and pro days, even if they weren't graded out as impressively as others at the HS level. This seem like a thread where you want people to talk up Bridgewater/Manziel so you can repeatedly shoot them down the advice of waiting until next years/2016 draft because those QB's are better (Not even counting that 2 of them have yet to take a snap at the college level).

Either way you have to evaluate the class before you make rash decisions, you may not be in love with a player right now (or maybe you are but you want to make sure), making a decision about who you're taking #1 in January is silly because new information will be coming out from now until the draft actually happens.
 
rmartin65 said:
This is insane. I heard this first grader down the street has an absolute CANNON for an arm. I am holding off on drafting a QB until he is eligible. Unless his younger brother looks better. Kid is only 1 week old, but nobody lays in a crib like this kid. Future HOF GOAT AINEC.
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Haha, Martin who wanted old man Weeden!
That's what instant gratification gives you my friend.
(For those who don't know, I like Martin as part of the three amigos in the draft section for quite a long time now .)
 
A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. Take Teddy B. now and hope we have our 10 year stud QB.
 
This trenches vs. QB stuff is really starting to get ridiculous.

I get it, some of you don't like the QB's this year and that's fine. But trenches don't win championships in the NFL. QB's do. We can't just sit around building up the "trenches" forever waiting for "that QB" to come along before we pull the trigger. Do you want to be the Cleveland Browns? They have one of the best OL and front-seven's in the league. How's that working out?
 
WolverineFan said:
This trenches vs. QB stuff is really starting to get ridiculous.

I get it, some of you don't like the QB's this year and that's fine. But trenches don't win championships in the NFL. QB's do. We can't just sit around building up the "trenches" forever waiting for "that QB" to come along before we pull the trigger. Do you want to be the Cleveland Browns? They have one of the best OL and front-seven's in the league. How's that working out?
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Ask Matt Ryan or Eli Manning.
 
76Texan said:
Haha, Martin who wanted old man Weeden!
That's what instant gratification gives you my friend.
(For those who don't know, I like Martin as part of the three amigos in the draft section for quite a long time now .)
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When did I say I wanted Weedon? That does not ring a bell. Seriously, if you have a link I would appreciate it. I will be doing some searches myself.

Honestly, I don't think you can pass on a good QB just because a guy later might be better. It is the shiny new toy syndrome- every future class looks better than the current one.

I have to watch more film on Bridgewater. I have not scouted much this year, and while I like what I have read about him, I am not completely sold yet.
 
Texian said:
Ask Matt Ryan.
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The same Matt Ryan who went to the NFC Championship game last year? Their offense was decimated by injuries this year and they lost their best DL in FA and their other best to injury.

That team was awful when he got there. They went QB first and then built the roster around him. The problem is they did not do an adequate job building up the trenches after they found their QB (1 OL and 1 DL drafted in the first 2 rounds since they drafted Ryan).

However, before this year when it all fell apart, they went 56-24 the previous 5 years. I'm sure Ryan had a lot more to do with that than Sam Baker.
 
WolverineFan said:
The same Matt Ryan who went to the NFC Championship game last year? Their offense was decimated by injuries this year and they lost their best DL in FA and their other best to injury.

That team was awful when he got there. They went QB first and then built the roster around him. The problem is they did not do an adequate job building up the trenches after they found their QB (1 OL and 1 DL drafted in the first 2 rounds since they drafted Ryan).

However, before this year when it all fell apart, they went 56-24 the previous 5 years. I'm sure Ryan had a lot more to do with that than Sam Baker.
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WolverineFan said:
LOL both of those guys were drafted top 3. Both teams drafted their QB and then built up the roster around them. You are not helping your case here at all.
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and both are bottom 10 teams because of .......their trenches
 
WolverineFan said:
The same Matt Ryan who went to the NFC Championship game last year? Their offense was decimated by injuries this year and they lost their best DL in FA and their other best to injury.

That team was awful when he got there. They went QB first and then built the roster around him. The problem is they did not do an adequate job building up the trenches after they found their QB (1 OL and 1 DL drafted in the first 2 rounds since they drafted Ryan).

However, before this year when it all fell apart, they went 56-24 the previous 5 years. I'm sure Ryan had a lot more to do with that than Sam Baker.
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What's more is that Ryan was viewed kinda in the same way as Bridgewater is now when he was coming out...people were unsure about his arm strength and wondered if he was worth the #1 pick at the time....
 
Mr teX said:
What's more is that Ryan was viewed kinda in the same way as Bridgewater is now when he was coming out...people were unsure about his arm strength and wondered if he was worth the #1 pick at the time....
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I've seen people compare him to Ryan and Rodgers. Neither guy wowed you with his physical skill set, but their mental acumen for the game put them at another level.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah but if we can get that kid we will have an elite QB for probably like 12 years.
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This cannot be understated. Scouting now a day is done to the utmost (if you're a smart franchise.)

As a franchise, you're limited by the cap.
The smart franchise looks elsewhere to spend the money.
Leave no we stone unturned.
Cultivate your rapport with these possible prospects.

Be ahead of the trend
 
To the question in the OP:


If you think there is a franchise QB in the draft, take him at 1-1.
If you think there is no franchise QB, attempt to trade down.
If you can't trade down, take BPA. I don't have a clear cut BPA at this point.

Between Clowney and Mathews:
Clowney: highest ceiling, lowest floor
Mathews: lowest ceiling, highest floor (I think)

I guess it depends on if you want to swing as hard as you can for the fence, or shorten up your swing and try to hit a line drive for a base hit.

F-it, I'd probably swing for the fence.
 
Mr teX said:
What's more is that Ryan was viewed kinda in the same way as Bridgewater is now when he was coming out...people were unsure about his arm strength and wondered if he was worth the #1 pick at the time....
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MY knock on Ryan was he threw a lot of INTs. I think his TD to INT ratio was than 2 to 1.
 
76Texan said:
This cannot be understated. Scouting now a day is done to the utmost (if you're a smart franchise.)

As a franchise, you're limited by the cap.
The smart franchise looks elsewhere to spend the money.
Leave no we stone unturned.
Cultivate your rapport with these possible prospects.

Be ahead of the trend
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But that is no use, if you can`t get the QB you want. We probably won`t get a top 5 pick in the next 3 years if we don`t trade away major pieces to go in full rebuild mode. Other teams scout as well, and if there is a QB we like, chances are other teams do so as well. If there is another Luck, it will be basically impossible to get him. That is why looking for your QB in the future is so risky - not only can they turn out as a bust, you also only have a very slim chance to grab them.

Of course the Texans shouldn`t draft Bridgewater, Manziel or Bortles if they don`t think they could turn into franchise QBs - but if they do, they shouldn`t look elsewhere just because they like one of next years QBs better.
 
michaelm said:
To the question in the OP:


If you think there is a franchise QB in the draft, take him at 1-1.
If you think there is no franchise QB, attempt to trade down.
If you can't trade down, take BPA. I don't have a clear cut BPA at this point.

Between Clowney and Mathews:
Clowney: highest ceiling, lowest floor
Mathews: lowest ceiling, highest floor (I think)

I guess it depends on if you want to swing as hard as you can for the fence, or shorten up your swing and try to hit a line drive for a base hit.

F-it, I'd probably swing for the fence.
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I'm in that mode too.

I'm happy to go big or go home in this draft, take a few punts on potential and talent.

Can't make things any worse right?
 
76Texan said:
The Niners and the broncos were building their trenches (by that I mean both sides of the ball) before Manning and Kaepernick.
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The Bronco's have a pathetic OL .... Riddled with injury. Manning just makes them appear serviceable because of how quickly he gets the ball out of his hands.


A better comparison might be Carolina taking two DL early in last years draft giving them a dominant defense while Cam Newton is playing at a level similar to last year but getting most of the credit for the W's generated by that defense.
 
WolverineFan said:
This trenches vs. QB stuff is really starting to get ridiculous.

I get it, some of you don't like the QB's this year and that's fine. But trenches don't win championships in the NFL. QB's do. We can't just sit around building up the "trenches" forever waiting for "that QB" to come along before we pull the trigger. Do you want to be the Cleveland Browns? They have one of the best OL and front-seven's in the league. How's that working out?
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A Great Foundation without a pretty house is of little use, but a pretty house without a strong foundation doesn't stay that way very long.

We only want a strong foundation so that the pretty house can be around a while and not go the way of past pretty houses.
 
Corrosion said:
The Bronco's have a pathetic OL .... Riddled with injury. Manning just makes them appear serviceable because of how quickly he gets the ball out of his hands.


A better comparison might be Carolina taking two DL early in last years draft giving them a dominant defense while Cam Newton is playing at a level similar to last year but getting most of the credit for the W's generated by that defense.
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But then all one would have to do is point out that Cam Newton was a #1 overall pick, proving you can't win with complete garbage at QB and that every team in the playoffs is there with a QB taken high in the draft (besides NE of course.)
 
TheIronDuke said:
But then all one would have to do is point out that Cam Newton was a #1 overall pick, proving you can't win with complete garbage at QB and that every team in the playoffs is there with a QB taken high in the draft (besides NE of course.)
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But .... Newton has been garbage at QB , not Matt Schaub / Case Keenum garbage but garbage none the less , at least when compared to the rest of the playoff QB's.
 
As for 76's main point in this thread .... Moving out of #1 while stockpiling future picks is a viable alternative , especially should you feel that none of the QB's in this draft class are guys that will end up in the discussion of the top handful at their position in the future , guys able to carry a franchise.


I'm still undecided on what to do (trade or spend) with the #1 pick or who to take with that pick as I think each player being considered has warts that would give me pause in picking them at 1:1.
 
Take the player who will have the biggest impact. If that's Clowney I'm down. That means he answered all the questions the righ way and the. Laches believe they can coach him up. I believe having Watt and Cushing and even Swearinger will keep Clowney in line. It's exciting to even think about.

If we decide to take one of the QB's I'm fine with that too.
 
mussop said:
Take the player who will have the biggest impact. If that's Clowney I'm down. That means he answered all the questions the righ way and the. Laches believe they can coach him up. I believe having Watt and Cushing and even Swearinger will keep Clowney in line. It's exciting to even think about.

If we decide to take one of the QB's I'm fine with that too.
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Watching that chiefs colts game is the reason u take the top qb over the other top position players if the grades for each prospects are in the same ball park.

As good as Houston and Hali were rushing the passer all year, Luck basically made them non factors by working the pocket, getting the ball out fast, and running when he had too.

Simply put, very good qb play trumps exceptional pass rushing and pretty much everything else. So while everyone is getting amped at the thought of Watt and Clowney on the same d-line rushing the passer, take heed of what happened saturday. KC's secondary got exposed once the pressure of houston and hali was nuetralized.
 
Mr teX said:
Watching that chiefs colts game is the reason u take the top qb over the other top position players if the grades for each prospects are in the same ball park.

As good as Houston and Hali were rushing the passer all year, Luck basically made them non factors by working the pocket, getting the ball out fast, and running when he had too.

Simply put, very good qb play trumps exceptional pass rushing and pretty much everything else. So while everyone is getting amped at the thought of Watt and Clowney on the same d-line rushing the passer, take heed of what happened saturday. KC's secondary got exposed once the pressure of houston and hali was nuetralized.
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That is dead on, MSR. I would go with the top QB if our new HC sees one that he deems worthy of the 1st pick. O'Brien worked wonders with Matt McGloin at Penn State so I am eager to see what he could do with a Bridgewater or Bortles. IMO once he watches the Louisville vs Miami game and gets Bridgewater on the dry erase board it will be game shot match. QB driven league.
 
Corrosion said:
The Bronco's have a pathetic OL .... Riddled with injury. Manning just makes them appear serviceable because of how quickly he gets the ball out of his hands.


A better comparison might be Carolina taking two DL early in last years draft giving them a dominant defense while Cam Newton is playing at a level similar to last year but getting most of the credit for the W's generated by that defense.
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But then he has game winning drives every week. He has played better than last year.
 
Mr teX said:
Watching that chiefs colts game is the reason u take the top qb over the other top position players if the grades for each prospects are in the same ball park.

As good as Houston and Hali were rushing the passer all year, Luck basically made them non factors by working the pocket, getting the ball out fast, and running when he had too.

Simply put, very good qb play trumps exceptional pass rushing and pretty much everything else. So while everyone is getting amped at the thought of Watt and Clowney on the same d-line rushing the passer, take heed of what happened saturday. KC's secondary got exposed once the pressure of houston and hali was nuetralized.
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Two problems with that assessment:

1 - There isn't a Luck/Newton-type prospect, especially with Hundley going back to school

2 - The Chiefs loss had far more to do with them losing several Pro-Bowlers throughout the course of the game, particularly Brandon Flowers whose loss allowed TY Hilton to blow up later in the game

If anything, Luck got, well, lucky. He threw three turnovers (even the third one that was weird was throw behind the receiver and allowed it to become jumbled in the first place) and his rushing touchdown was a freak play not unlike Watt's forced-fumble-into-Patriots-TD from last year.

If anything, watching Alex Smith out-play Luck made me more open to installing the Pistol and drafting a guy like Manziel.
 
bhsman said:
Two problems with that assessment:

1 - There isn't a Luck/Newton-type prospect, especially with Hundley going back to school

2 - The Chiefs loss had far more to do with them losing several Pro-Bowlers throughout the course of the game, particularly Brandon Flowers whose loss allowed TY Hilton to blow up later in the game

If anything, Luck got, well, lucky. He threw three turnovers (even the third one that was weird was throw behind the receiver and allowed it to become jumbled in the first place) and his rushing touchdown was a freak play not unlike Watt's forced-fumble-into-Patriots-TD from last year.

If anything, watching Alex Smith out-play Luck made me more open to installing the Pistol and drafting a guy like Manziel.
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You beat me to it.
 
I wasn't hoping to get a QB with the first pick, until I saw this list....

QB's alive in the playoffs:
Luck, Rivers, Brady, P. Manning, Kaepernik, Newton, Brees, Wilson

Regarding any post season aspirations I may have that list is pretty telling.
 
bhsman said:
Two problems with that assessment:

1 - There isn't a Luck/Newton-type prospect, especially with Hundley going back to school

2 - The Chiefs loss had far more to do with them losing several Pro-Bowlers throughout the course of the game, particularly Brandon Flowers whose loss allowed TY Hilton to blow up later in the game

If anything, Luck got, well, lucky. He threw three turnovers (even the third one that was weird was throw behind the receiver and allowed it to become jumbled in the first place) and his rushing touchdown was a freak play not unlike Watt's forced-fumble-into-Patriots-TD from last year.

If anything, watching Alex Smith out-play Luck made me more open to installing the Pistol and drafting a guy like Manziel.
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Not even close sir... Luck's defense had already given up 24 pts before he threw his 1st int....At that point, they were just trying to avoid getting blown out by putting at least 3 on the board before half time in their 2 minute offense. And based on how they'd played up to that point in the game, there really wasn't any reason to believe they'd be able to come back.

If his defense is able to keep it close in the 1st half & he has some semblance of a run game, i doubt he's even throwing as much as he had to for him to throw the last 2 picks he did throw.

But it's not even about his numbers per se..it's about his ability to mentally block out the bad plays, bounce back and continue to lead his team to a comeback.

Furthermore, the chiefs won games this year by pressuring the qb & Luck nuetralized their greatest strength on defense by playing damn near flawless down the stretch in the 4th qtr. Yes, the brandon flowers injury helped, but not all the plays he was making came at the expense of Flowers' replacement. It was the complete package. The decision making, the pocket presence, the awareness, the accuracy, the leadership & the smarts to attack a weakness. Besides, Brandon Flowers wasn't making that big of a difference, the play he got hurt on was a TD catch and run by Donald Brown i believe; the comeback was in full swing at that point.

You saw the full repertoire on display saturday in that game with him. It honestly made me mad b/c by the 4th qtr, Alex Smith was helpless once Indy's defense turned up the heat on him while Luck seemed to make the right decision every single play when KC tried to ramp it up on him.

& while most believe there isn't a Luck type prospect in this draft, his performance represents why the qb prospect always trumps other position prospects.......IF THE GRADES FOR EACH PROSPECT ARE CLOSE. & lets be real Clowney as a prospect isn't going to be rated that much higher than Bridgewater if everything holds as it is now.
 
mussop said:
even Swearinger will keep Clowney in line.
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I don't know, there were times during the season where DJ could barely keep himself in line on the field. BUT I do love his aggressiveness, which sadly does not seem to really vibe with todays NFL.
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