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FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
Trade that pick for more picks IMO
TheIronDuke
All Pro
After watching Bridgewater last night I'd have to go with him.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I see this sentiment floating around from a few posters but with no further explanation. Do you mind if I ask why you think so?
Wow! I just can't tell you how impressed I am watching Vince Young dominate his bowl game.
Trade that f'king pick down.
BigB0iFresh
Waterboy
The only knock on Teddy I've heard is his size and his schedule.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I don't know his reasoning, BUT until about 2 weeks ago I was not sold on teddy at all either. I highly questioned his ability to ZIP the ball in tight spaces. He is accurate and smart with the ball, but when the window is tight or he throws a screen, he never seemed to dart them in. They always just hung in the air. But the more I watched (and even last night he was slinging it around) the more I saw he has the ability to zip the ball. I think he just needs a better qb coach who can mold his talent a little more.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I doubt any NFL GMs worth their salt know who they would take #1 right now. There is a lot of information to gather the next four months. As boardmembers, it may be healthier to let the process happen, at least through the combine, before asserting absolute certainty regarding who should/shouldn't be drafted at #$1... not saying we shouldn't have opinions. Right now, my board looks like this:
1. Aaron Donald
2. Teddy Bridgewater
3. Matthews
** I'd like to see a trade down. Otherwise, I think I am in favor of Bridgewater, but that is subject to change. I think Aaron Donald is a beast and, based on all the draftnik baffoons, is way undervalued right now. I would absolutely avoid Clowney anywhere in the top 10.
I'm thrilled to have the 1st pick! Whether there is a clear #1 or not, under this CBA, it is a great position to be in (top 5 contracts are no longer detrimental). We get anyone we want. That's good... And, we will certainly get offers for that pick- perhaps not at the value desired, but we will have options. Also, we have the 1st pick in every other round... that's also good news! Let's get a coach hired, a staff put together, and get this off-season moving! The best thing about a disastrous season like this is that it makes for an active, entertaining off-season. So, there is that!
1. Aaron Donald
2. Teddy Bridgewater
3. Matthews
** I'd like to see a trade down. Otherwise, I think I am in favor of Bridgewater, but that is subject to change. I think Aaron Donald is a beast and, based on all the draftnik baffoons, is way undervalued right now. I would absolutely avoid Clowney anywhere in the top 10.
I'm thrilled to have the 1st pick! Whether there is a clear #1 or not, under this CBA, it is a great position to be in (top 5 contracts are no longer detrimental). We get anyone we want. That's good... And, we will certainly get offers for that pick- perhaps not at the value desired, but we will have options. Also, we have the 1st pick in every other round... that's also good news! Let's get a coach hired, a staff put together, and get this off-season moving! The best thing about a disastrous season like this is that it makes for an active, entertaining off-season. So, there is that!
texanchris
Waterboy
give me clowney
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
He is too small right now! However, that is not difficult to resolve in the NFL. He'll get the time, focus in the weight room that he likely spent in class and in film study in college. Also, it is not unusual for men to begin a natural "thickening"/muscle-building growth spurt between age 22-27...
Observe Tom Brady's combine body and the body he had 3 years later.
So, I agree that his size is an issue right now. I just don't think that it will be an issue three years from now.
Well, I know you were asking Herv that, and I'll let him speak for himself. But what I saw last night, was stuff he was getting away with that he wouldn't have going against an NFL defense.
He basically reminded me of Case Keenum. Sorry, he just did.
EDIT: And NO, I don't have an issue with his size. If I did, I would have issues with Brees and Wilson, or Keenum's for that matter.
bah007
Hall of Fame
That's fine.
I'm not looking for an argument with anyone who doesn't like Teddy. Just trying to find out what exactly it is that they don't like.
I think he's the read deal. Reminds me of Aaron Rodgers. Size is a concern right now for most people though. He's very thin.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I can't even put my finger on it and I said it. I just don't see him being "franchise-QB-level" successful in the NFL. I've watched him some, not a lot but I go through his highlight clips on Youtube and I just don't see what makes him the guy you take at 1-1. I see a guy who lights up bad defenses in a very average conference.
I think he's closer to Andre Ware than Andrew Luck. To be fair I don't see greatness in any QB coming out this year. It's not that I don't think he can't eventually be maybe "good enough". I just don't see him taking the reigns and taking off like I would expect a QB selected that high to be capable of doing.
I've said I'd take Matthews at 1-1 but if that's simply too unpalatable then I'd grab Clowney, pray that he isn't the lazy ****-off piece of **** that the little voice inside my head is warning me that he will turn out to be, and then try to move into position to get Mettenberger in the late 1st - early 2nd round.
Better than that would be to me trading down, getting a QB and a RT in the second half of the first round/top of the second round, and then working on the defense primarily from then on down.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
What is the issue with his size? He's listed at 6'3" and I've seen his weight listed at between 205 lbs (NFLDraftScout) to 218 lbs (WalterFootball). Now I know those measurements are probably a little off, and we won't know the real ones until the Combine, but I don't think he's 6' and 190 lbs like some here seem to think he is.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Trade down because there is no clear franchise quarterback, Clowney is overrated and lazy, and you don't draft a RT to be the #1 overall pick. Unless if Duane Brown can and is able to play RT and you draft Matthews to be your franchise LT.
Are you suggesting we draft Donald number 1? I love Donald but there is no way he is worthy of the number one pick.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
If the player you love is not highly regarded, trade down, pick up extra draft picks and then draft your guy. No need to reach. This also holds true if you don't have Your Guy and they look about the same.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Anyone remember Brian Brohm, Chris Redman or Dave Rangone, you know former Louisville QBs?
BigB0iFresh
Waterboy
Just because they all went to the same school doesnt mean Teddy will be a bust
That's not really logical.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I think that 5 highlights don't say enough to really make a case one way or the other but I did note a few things.
In Aaron Rodgers "Pocket Navigation" clip he was under more pressure than Bridgewater. At the same time he threw a dart to a well covered receiver. Bridgewater threw a high-ish arcing pass over everyone to a wide open receiver for a TD which is much like what you see when cruising through his highlights. Not a ton of pressure most of the time and almost always a target available when he needs one.
Under Ball Placement I'd say they both led the receiver very well. This time Teddy's target was covered well and he put it where it needed to go.
Mobility is the same. He can run. Nice. So can everyone else at this level.
Vertical Passing he threw a nice ball. Again his receiver had beaten the defender and Teddy threw it what? 40 yards? This is stuff anyone getting drafted should be able to do. He also stared at him for three seconds before throwing. I thought Rodgers threw it deeper and better. He had two guys on that side to stare at so hard to say what's up but he put it up high where his guy could go get it. Teddy doesn't have a problem doing that though. His receivers are open so often. He won't have that luxury in the NFL. Not nearly as much as he does in college.
Velocity. Nice pass from Teddy. He got it down the field quick. In just about every other clip he put more air under the ball than Rodgers did in his corresponding highlight and he did so here too (though he threw a lot farther than Rodgers did in his velocity clip so that would account for at least some of that).
I'm just not sold. Sorry. I can find 5 clips of Case Keenum that would fit right in here.
Sounds very logical to me
Hervoyel
BUENO!
That's true. Andre Ware, David Klingler, Jimmy Klingler, & Kevin Kolb could never have predicted the kind of breakout success that Case Keenum would have in the NFL.
I'm kidding of course but guys who tear up inferior competition tend to hit the reality wall in the NFL. Bridgewater isn't exactly killing weak sisters like any of these guys but he's doing most of what he's doing against teams that aren't giving him a fraction of the kind of trouble he'll see in the NFL.
AJ McCarron sees better defenses in his dreams than Bridgewater does on Saturdays and I'm not saying he'd be a better pick. I'm just saying that we're talking about a guy who didn't do well against UH's traditionally pitiful defense. They're improved this year but he should have been able to tear them up.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
It's totally logical. If you have YOUR guy and he's highly regarded, then pick him. But otherwise reaching for a player before the market of GMs indicates you should is losing value. We don't have value to waste.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I think he's the best player in the draft. I don't know where he will be rated by the rest of the NFL GMs... particularly given we are still two months from the combine.
I suggest we draft Bridgewater.
Otherwise, the first name I want to hear following "the Texans select" is: Donald. I seriously doubt he will slip into round two. My guess is that Kiper and company will begin moving him up their boards in February and March, saying "Donald is rising", etc...
Lord Bills
Destruction
i was all in on the teddy bandwagon until i saw his cross dressing pictures. Just know that its not going to end well if you make a cross dresser your franchise qb.
Manziel i do like because the man has guts and playmaking skills that we have sorely lacked the seven years schaub was our qb.
Ill wait till the combine and woderlic scores come out.
Just know i have warned you about entrusting your franchise to a cross dresser. i dont remember any other franchise qb/superbowl winner who has that kind of baggage.
Manziel i do like because the man has guts and playmaking skills that we have sorely lacked the seven years schaub was our qb.
Ill wait till the combine and woderlic scores come out.
Just know i have warned you about entrusting your franchise to a cross dresser. i dont remember any other franchise qb/superbowl winner who has that kind of baggage.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Are you joking?
Unless you know something I don't, you are referring to a one-time event when he dressed up for his gender studies class... Boy, I'll be sure not to invite you to my Halloween party!
I don´t know much about college football, but I think this is Teddys spot to lose.
He seems to be the almost consensus pick as best QB prospect in the draft. Houston will draft a QB with either the first or the second pick, since they are in full "let´s turn this ship around and get new guys that get the job done" mode.
Teddy doesn`t seem to have any real weaknesses - a little smallish, not elite arm strength, but that`s about it. On the other hand he seems to be elite at reading defenses and with his accuracy whie being great at avoiding pressure.
The combine will be very important - if he can show coaches, that he has everything it takes to succeed in the NFL, I don`t think there is anything Clowney or Matthews could do to get the first pick. If he shows some concerning weaknesses I could see us going another direction.
But right now, it is Bridgewater, no question.
He seems to be the almost consensus pick as best QB prospect in the draft. Houston will draft a QB with either the first or the second pick, since they are in full "let´s turn this ship around and get new guys that get the job done" mode.
Teddy doesn`t seem to have any real weaknesses - a little smallish, not elite arm strength, but that`s about it. On the other hand he seems to be elite at reading defenses and with his accuracy whie being great at avoiding pressure.
The combine will be very important - if he can show coaches, that he has everything it takes to succeed in the NFL, I don`t think there is anything Clowney or Matthews could do to get the first pick. If he shows some concerning weaknesses I could see us going another direction.
But right now, it is Bridgewater, no question.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
This draft is deep, but the top players aren't locks. In this environment, tradings for additional picks would help this team more than the best of the non elite picks. You must compare this the prospects with both other prospects in this years class and also other classes to get the most. A plethora of second tier players makes numbers superior to the individual this season. Next year is going to be Top Heavy.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
I would go with:
Bridgewater
Bortles
Trade Down
We need a franchise QB and we're in a position to take the best QB in the upcoming draft.. I think it's fair to ask if we should pass that up for the next Mario Williams?
Lord Bills
Destruction
ok. just remember this moment when bridgewater is getting arrested on montrose for cocaine possession with a tranny and we have to go through another eventual search for a proper franchise qb this franchise has never had.
Just remember this moment.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
no draft picks are locks.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Wow. Does the squad car he is riding in the back of lose control crashing into a bus full of Nuns?