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Texans hire Bill O'Brien as HC

Hervoyel said:
I'm sure Penn State and Stanford were thinking that too.

I'd like to see either one of them hired. Probably won't get either one but maybe we'll get lucky.
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College coaches come and go for the opportunity to coach in the NFL if they decide to do so

Im sure its happened before but Head Coaches in the NFL don't often leave an organization that takes care of him
 
acal21 said:
College coaches come and go for the opportunity to coach in the NFL if they decide to do so

Im sure its happened before but Head Coaches in the NFL don't often leave an organization that takes care of him
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what? Sorry but this post made no sense to me .


College coaches coach in college only to get the opportunity to coach in the NFL or go away?

Has anyone other than Madden left a HC job for any reason other than being fired? ( I know Gruden was technically traded)
 
He's done a great job at Penn St.

The NCAA should have shut down that program.

What happened there was the definition of the NCAA's belove lack of insitutional control sentence,that they love to use before they lower the boom on the SMU/TCU/Arkansas Pine-Bluffs of the world.
 
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Urges Students to Arrive early

“This is a noon kickoff, and it is by far the biggest game for us so far this year. We’re playing a 5-0 Northwestern team. We feel like we’re doing some good things. We need all those students in the stands at noon for that kickoff. They [the players] feed off of that–The crowd noise, the student section. Whether it’s white out, this out, that out, I don’t know, I just need them in the stands at noon going nuts for this football team because we have to have a great home field advantage, and these guys really feed off that.” - Bill O'brien
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Holds fans accountable, looks a little fiery, maybe he'll pull some passion out of some of our players again.
 
He looks more like a Mafia enforcer than a coach. That's probably what Houston needs at this point, anyway. A tough guy with a little fire to him, not the cool laid back type that Kubes tended to be.
 
JB said:
what? Sorry but this post made no sense to me .


College coaches coach in college only to get the opportunity to coach in the NFL or go away?

Has anyone other than Madden left a HC job for any reason other than being fired? ( I know Gruden was technically traded)
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I think he means college coaches constantly jump ship to coach in the pros. Not all college coaches who have the chance do, but most. Not in the pros though. If a pro coach has the solid backing of ownership then he's not likely to skip around jobs.
 
infantrycak said:
If you mean not fired and still having the intention to coach, Jimmy Johnson.
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And there was Vermiel, right? Although he probably intended to stay retired that first time and maybe even the second time.

And then there was Lombardi. I never really understood what happened there. I was too young. But he quit the Packers and went to the Redskins (and then died.)

And THEN there was Jack Pardee. He was the coach of the Chicago Bears, built the team up and took them to the playoffs but lost to the Cowboys. Then... I don't know if he quit or if his contract expired, and he was coaching the Redskins the next year.

It's obviously rare, though.
 
I'm down with this guy big time. Shaw is going to be a harder get, but I think O'Brien would fit in perfect. Get it done Bobby Boy! Anyone who has seen his Real Sports segment can probably tell you how much character this dude has. He became a fan for life of mine after watching that. He's the real deal on and off the field.
 
WolverineFan said:
Thank you for adding relevance to this thread. The boys were starting to get off topic....:toropalm:
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Actually the purposes of that post was to see how easy it would be to yank your chain from a several hundred miles away using only a computer keyboard. It was pretty darn easy. :shades:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
And there was Vermiel, right? Although he probably intended to stay retired that first time and maybe even the second time.

And then there was Lombardi. I never really understood what happened there. I was too young. But he quit the Packers and went to the Redskins (and then died.)

And THEN there was Jack Pardee. He was the coach of the Chicago Bears, built the team up and took them to the playoffs but lost to the Cowboys. Then... I don't know if he quit or if his contract expired, and he was coaching the Redskins the next year.

It's obviously rare, though.
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Parcels?
 
What is his philosophy for defense? I know he's only been HC at Penn St. but what has his defenses looked like?
 
Texecutioner said:
He was the same guy who ripped Brady a new ******* on the sidelines Two years ago and Brady was arguing back. Brady said he was wrong after the game and that he needed to listen to his coach. Brady respected the hell out of him. He didn't have any problems getting in his star player's ass. I liked that about him. He was also the OC when Brady got his 2nd MVP season.
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Ok, now I know who we are talking about. I remember being very impressed with him
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Honestly, HC @ a top college program probably better than a lot of NFL jobs. Even with scandal, Penn state is top 20 program ( in terms of funding and prestige) and probably better than being the head coach at the bottom 12 or so NFL jobs.
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Yes, I get that. Some want to level out at college or enjoy the college life style. I would think there is as much pressure as a college HC as NFL. If you consider NFL as "top of food chain" it can be easier sometimes to move up from a coordinator role on a team where you have shown your chops. i am not arguing or debating anyone simply making observations.
 
Dutchrudder said:
So did Josh McDaniels... :kitten:
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Well then obviously we should rule out anyone who worked with Tom Brady for a year or two and who Tom thought highly of.

:kitten:

As long as this guy didn't help Sandusky molest kids while helping Hernandez murder people I'm willing to overlook the fact that Tom Brady liked him. Nobody's perfect.
 
Hervoyel said:
Well then obviously we should rule out anyone who worked with Tom Brady for a year or two and who Tom thought highly of.

:kitten:

As long as this guy didn't help Sandusky molest kids while helping Hernandez murder people I'm willing to overlook the fact that Tom Brady liked him. Nobody's perfect.
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Anyone that yells at Tom Brady moves up on my list, and then gets Tom to admit he was wrong....

I would like this hire
 
I would fully be on board with a Bill O'Brien hire. I think what he has done at Penn State has been extremely impressive. I like his pedigree and think he would shake things up here in a way that would get us results. Also, I think JJ Watt would love to play for him which is important in keeping him here long term. I agree with the other poster who has Shaw/O'Brien>>>>>>>>>>Lovie Smith/Whisenhunt.
 
JB said:
what? Sorry but this post made no sense to me .


College coaches coach in college only to get the opportunity to coach in the NFL or go away?

Has anyone other than Madden left a HC job for any reason other than being fired? ( I know Gruden was technically traded)
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College coaches often jump at the opportunity to coach in the NFL vs. leaving the Texans to coach the Raiders
 
BILL O'BRIEN
What O'Brien has been able to do at Penn State has been nothing short of substantial. Penn State hired O'Brien to take over a troubled program after the Jerry Sandusky scandal and was hit with probation and the loss of 40 scholarships over four years and that didn't include the players who were allowed to leave Penn State and go to other programs without penalty (Silas Redd, Anthony Fera and Justin Brown). Despite the losses of scholarships and a few key contributors, O'Brien has put together a 15-9 mark in two seasons including an 8-4 record last year.

O'Brien favors an up-tempo offense mixing a power running game with inside and outside zone and a play-action passing attack as a counter. While Chip Kelly's offense may not be the norm around NFL circles within two or three years, I do think O'Brien's will be as tempo will likely continue to catch on around the league while still utilizing more traditional running and passing attacks. The way O'Brien has handled the Penn State program and the fact that he comes from Bill Belichick's coaching tree will work in his favor. Will he leave Penn State? He has admitted that he would like to get back to the NFL, but said he didn't want to ditch PSU after just one year. Well he is finished with two years no so I think he is a possibility. One particular issue with O'Brien is that he will likely want some level of personnel control and Rick Smith is unlikely to cede too much over.
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houstonspartan said:
Personnel control? To a guy who has never been an NFL head coach? Pass. We just had a coach that had full control. There needs to be some checks in balances in place.
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Another LZ prognostication. Most NFL HC candidates want some level of personnel control. Not sure why in the world it is reasonable to predict Smith has magically gone from no control to total control sufficiently to block a HC candidate McNair otherwise likes.
 
infantrycak said:
Not sure why in the world it is reasonable to predict Smith has magically gone from no control to total control sufficiently to block a HC candidate McNair otherwise likes.
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Might have a little something to do with the Front Office complaining and bellyaching to the national media that the coaching staff has to much control over the draft,

"That frustration channels from the coaching staff holding too much sway over the draft process

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...-front-office-frustrated-with-coaching-staff/

this is a draft process that was agreed to by Bob McNair 8 years ago. Funny how the front office complains about coaching staff having to much control over the draft process but in the Kubiak firing press conference McNair was adamant that this team had Super Bowl talent. To much control over the draft but yet they have Super Bowl talent, Go Figure.
 
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infantrycak said:
Another LZ prognostication. Most NFL HC candidates want some level of personnel control. Not sure why in the world it is reasonable to predict Smith has magically gone from no control to total control sufficiently to block a HC candidate McNair otherwise likes.
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Either way, I just think it's time for a strong GM, either by McNair giving Smith more power, or him hiring another GM. It's time for the GM of this team to step up and build something, rather than being just a figure head.


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houstonspartan said:
Either way, I just think it's time for a strong GM, either by McNair giving Smith more power, or him hiring another GM. It's time for the GM of this team to step up and build something, rather than being just a figure head.
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So if your favorite coaching candidate wants control you'll sacrifice him for Smith to have more power?

I can see the argument for a top tier GM but not just anyone.
 
houstonspartan said:
Either way, I just think it's time for a strong GM, either by McNair giving Smith more power, or him hiring another GM. It's time for the GM of this team to step up and build something, rather than being just a figure head.


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It's ludicrous to think that a head coach worth his salt wouldn't want a say in personnel decisions
 
Shouldn't the GM be hiring a HC that is on the same page as him regarding the direction of the franchise?

I can see disagreements over a few specific players but if there is a big time disconnect between the front office and the coaching staff regarding what type of players you are looking for then you have no chance for success on the field.

If the GM doesn't approve of the HC's personnel choices then he either did a ****ty job hiring a HC, does a ****ty job evaluating talent, or both...
 
JB said:
It's ludicrous to think that a head coach worth his salt wouldn't want a say in personnel decisions
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Nonsense. There are a lot of successful coaches that do not have full control. If you think Harbaugh in Baltimore is overriding Ozzie you are kidding yourself.


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infantrycak said:
So if your favorite coaching candidate wants control you'll sacrifice him for Smith to have more power?

I can see the argument for a top tier GM but not just anyone.
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Yes, I would. If McNair decides Smith is the guy, we have to roll with that. Tired of the head coach around here having more juice than the GM, and the Texans making decisions by committee; this team needs a clear chain of command.


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Texian said:
Might have a little something to do with the Front Office complaining and bellyaching to the national media that the coaching staff has to much control over the draft,

"That frustration channels from the coaching staff holding too much sway over the draft process

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...-front-office-frustrated-with-coaching-staff/

this is a draft process that was agreed to by Bob McNair 8 years ago. Funny how the front office complains about coaching staff having to much control over the draft process but in the Kubiak firing press conference McNair was adamant that this team had Super Bowl talent. To much control over the draft but yet they have Super Bowl talent, Go Figure.
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So which is it BoB? Talent that Gary broyght in, or lack of coaching?
 
bah007 said:
Shouldn't the GM be hiring a HC that is on the same page as him regarding the direction of the franchise?
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This GM is a lapdog that has no business hiring anything other than a secretary. He should have been shown the door with the coach that brought him in.

If this is the guy who is hiring the next head coach of the Houston Texans and have ultimate football authority, then McNair deserves the bottom of the barrel coach he will get.

I don't believe that Smith is hiring anyone. McNair is doing the hiring, and Smith is saying, "Yes, Bob. Whatever you say, Bob. We're back on track now, Bob."
 
houstonspartan said:
Either way, I just think it's time for a strong GM, either by McNair giving Smith more power, or him hiring another GM. It's time for the GM of this team to step up and build something, rather than being just a figure head.


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How long before personel decisions start stiking to teflon Rick?
 
steelbtexan said:
How long before personel decisions start stiking to teflon Rick?
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I'm just going to throw this out there...

McNair has been in there with Kubiak and Smith (and Wade, for that matter) and he's seen which of these guys stood up and pounded the table for each of the guys we've drafted. We haven't.

If Smith and his scouts preferred some other guys but Kubiak and the other coaches chose guys that weren't as successful, McNair would know that Rick deserves to be heard on this issues... or not. If it was Smith who chose these guys to get the talent in here and then Kubiak was let go because he didn't utilize it right, that's one thing. If Smith's players are the ones who are the stars in the league and the one Kubiak and his crew are the ones who have crapped out, then that's another.

It might be that Kubiak made the call to let guys like Brisiel, Winston, Dreessen, Demeco, Leach, etc. go and Smith might have questioned him on those decisions.

There are lots of ways that Smith could have proved to McNair that he needs more power in personnel decisions.

We haven't been in those rooms. At least, I haven't. So I don't know what the heck is going on in there and which guy has made the right choices and which guy has made the wrong ones.
 
houstonspartan said:
Nonsense. There are a lot of successful coaches that do not have full control. If you think Harbaugh in Baltimore is overriding Ozzie you are kidding yourself.


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Big leap from having a say to full control. If you think Harbaugh doesn't have ANY input you are kidding yourself
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm just going to throw this out there...

McNair has been in there with Kubiak and Smith (and Wade, for that matter) and he's seen which of these guys stood up and pounded the table for each of the guys we've drafted. We haven't.

If Smith and his scouts preferred some other guys but Kubiak and the other coaches chose guys that weren't as successful, McNair would know that Rick deserves to be heard on this issues... or not. If it was Smith who chose these guys to get the talent in here and then Kubiak was let go because he didn't utilize it right, that's one thing. If Smith's players are the ones who are the stars in the league and the one Kubiak and his crew are the ones who have crapped out, then that's another.

It might be that Kubiak made the call to let guys like Brisiel, Winston, Dreessen, Demeco, Leach, etc. go and Smith might have questioned him on those decisions.

There are lots of ways that Smith could have proved to McNair that he needs more power in personnel decisions.

We haven't been in those rooms. At least, I haven't. So I don't know what the heck is going on in there and which guy has made the right choices and which guy has made the wrong ones.
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Well said.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm just going to throw this out there...

McNair has been in there with Kubiak and Smith (and Wade, for that matter) and he's seen which of these guys stood up and pounded the table for each of the guys we've drafted. We haven't.

If Smith and his scouts preferred some other guys but Kubiak and the other coaches chose guys that weren't as successful, McNair would know that Rick deserves to be heard on this issues... or not. If it was Smith who chose these guys to get the talent in here and then Kubiak was let go because he didn't utilize it right, that's one thing. If Smith's players are the ones who are the stars in the league and the one Kubiak and his crew are the ones who have crapped out, then that's another.

It might be that Kubiak made the call to let guys like Brisiel, Winston, Dreessen, Demeco, Leach, etc. go and Smith might have questioned him on those decisions.

There are lots of ways that Smith could have proved to McNair that he needs more power in personnel decisions.

We haven't been in those rooms. At least, I haven't. So I don't know what the heck is going on in there and which guy has made the right choices and which guy has made the wrong ones.
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Well said.

JB said:
Big leap from having a say to full control. If you think Harbaugh doesn't have ANY input you are kidding yourself
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Nuance seems to be a dying trait. Lots of folks living in a binary world where the GM is either lackey or dictator.
 
JB said:
It's ludicrous to think that a head coach worth his salt wouldn't want a say in personnel decisions
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Harbaugh at his hiring press conference was asked, who had final say on the 53 man roster? Harbaugh answered, Trent Baalke.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
It might be that Kubiak made the call to let guys like Brisiel, Winston, Dreessen, Demeco, Leach, etc. go and Smith might have questioned him on those decisions.
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People always want to blame Smith for the decision to release these players, but they tend to take everything out of context. In the case of Demeco, the hiring of Wade with his 3-4 made DeMeco redundant, and they drafted players to replace Brisiel & Winston but both went on IR this year: is it the GMs fault they got injured ?
Regarding Dreessen & Leach, they made a good-faith effort to resign them but were outbid by the competition, which just goes to show you can't keep everybody.
Now Ed Reed was obviously a bad decision, but there's ample evidence that was the owner's call and resigning Schaub (prematurely it would now seem) was mostly likely Kubiak's decision.
 
JB said:
Big leap from having a say to full control. If you think Harbaugh doesn't have ANY input you are kidding yourself
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No, I'm not saying that Harbaugh has no say; I'm say I doubt if he has the so-called "full control" that a lot of coaching candidates supposedly want.


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Guys who want full control over personnel who have never been an NFL HC before always scare me.

I think the lack of information about who does what in the Texans offices leads to these stupid petty arguments about who should be fired and who brought in the right guys and blah blah blah. Since people like to prognosticate about Rick Smith, I'll throw one in there that has just as much weight as everybody else's:

If Rick Smith is allowed to hire the coach and they are on the same page, then we will be in the playoffs again by 2015.

And that is worth just as much as all of the other "predictions" for Rick Smith in this thread and has just as much information backing it up too (none)!
 
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