bah007's Top 5 by Position

[bah007]

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
2. Derek Carr - Fresno St
3. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M
4. Tajh Boyd - Clemson
5. Zach Mettenberger - LSU

- A lot of people would have Mariota and Hundley on this list but they simply aren't ready. Coming out this year would be a terrible decision for both, in my opinion.

HB
1. Bishop Sankey - Washington
2. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor
3. Melvin Gordon - Wisconsin
4. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona
5. Charles Sims - West Virginia

- Not as high on De'Anthony Thomas as most.

FB
1. Trey Millard - Oklahoma
2. J.C. Copeland - LSU
3. Jay Prosch - Auburn
4. Ryan Hewitt - Stanford

- Not much NFL talent after Millard this year.

WR
1. Mike Evans - Texas A&M
2. Sammy Watkins - Clemson
3. Marqise Lee - USC
4. Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt
5. Davante Adams - Fresno St

TE
1. Jace Amaro - Texas Tech
2. Eric Ebron - North Carolina
3. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins - Washington
4. C.J. Fiedorowicz - Iowa
5. Nick O'Leary - Florida St

OT
1. Jake Matthews - Texas A&M
2. Cyrus Kouandjio - Alabama
3. Cameron Erving - Florida St
4. Taylor Lewan - Michigan
5. Antonio Richardson - Tennessee

OG
1. Gabe Jackson - Mississippi St
2. David Yankey - Stanford
3. Cyril Richardson - Baylor
4. Xavier Su'a-Filo - UCLA
5. Zack Martin - Notre Dame

- Richardson and Martin are both college OTs that I expect to move down to OG in the pros.

OC
1. Travis Swanson - Arkansas
2. Bryan Stork - Florida St
3. Hroniss Grasu - Oregon
4. Russell Bodine - North Carolina
5. Tyler Larsen - Utah St


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney - South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame
3. Scott Crichton - Oregon St
4. Trent Murphy - Stanford
5. Jackson Jeffcoat - Texas

- Big fan of Taylor Hart, Oregon as well. Just missed the top five here.

DT
1. Louis Nix - Notre Dame
2. Ra'Shede Hageman - Minnesota
3. Timmy Jernigan - Florida St
4. Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh
5. Kelcy Quarles - South Carolina

- Will Sutton is a big time sleeper here. Would have been a first round pick last year but has had a rough time this year.

OLB
1. Anthony Barr - UCLA
2. Khalil Mack - Buffalo
3. Kyle Van Noy - BYU
4. Ryan Shazier - Ohio St
5. Eric Kendricks - UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley - Alabama
2. A.J. Johnson - Tennessee
3. Christian Jones - Florida St
4. Yawin Smallwood - Connecticut
5. Chris Borland - Wisconsin

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St
2. Jason Verrett - TCU
3. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Oregon
4. Marcus Roberson - Florida
5. Kyle Fuller - Virginia Tech

- Lot of good corners this year, depending on who declares. Also really like Darqueze Dennard, Michigan St.

S
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix - Alabama
2. Lamarcus Joyner - Florida St
3. Craig Loston - LSU
4. Tre Boston - North Carolina
5. Calvin Pryor - Louisville

K
1. Jeff Budzien - Northwestern
2. Anthony Fera - Texas
3. Cairo Santos - Tulane

P
1. Kirby Van Der Kamp - Iowa St
2. Cody Webster - Purdue
3. Brian Schmiedebusch - Bowling Green

 

[WolverineFan]

Good stuff. Rep your way.

BTW, Melvin Gordon is allegedly returning for his junior year.

 

[bah007]

Good stuff. Rep your way.

BTW, Melvin Gordon is allegedly returning for his junior year.

Had heard that rumor. I didn't list players based on whether they were declaring or not. Just based on where I grade them at this point.

Only reason I pointed that out with the QBs was because I expected a lot of responses about those guys being left off. I actually have Mariota at #6 and Hundley at #7.

 

[Texian]

Very good, you did well.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Good job .... Charles Sims , that's a blast from the past .

 

[bah007]

Good job .... Charles Sims , that's a blast from the past .

No kidding. Still can't figure that one out. He'd be getting plenty of work down here, plus he'd be on a better team.

 

[bah007]

Getting a little deeper into the draft now. Still have a lot of guys to cover but here's what I have so far.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
2. Zach Mettenberger - LSU
3. Blake Bortles - UCF
4. Derek Carr - Fresno St
5. A.J. McCarron - Alabama
6. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M
7. Brett Hundley - UCLA (please go back to school)
8. Tajh Boyd - Clemson
9. Aaron Murray - Georgia

HB
1. Bishop Sankey - Washington
2. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor
3. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde - Ohio St
5. Charles Sims - West Virginia
6. Tre Mason - Auburn
7. De'Anthony Thomas - Oregon
8. Devonta Freeman - Florida St
9. Andre Williams - Boston College

FB
1. Trey Millard - Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch - Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland - LSU
4. Ryan Hewitt - Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins - Clemson
2. Marqise Lee - USC
3. Mike Evans - Texas A&M
4. Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt
5. Allen Robinson - Penn St
6. Kelvin Benjamin - Florida St
7. Davante Adams - Fresno St
8. Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss
9. Odell Beckham - LSU
10. Paul Richardson - Colorado
11. Brandin Cooks - Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron - North Carolina
2. Jace Amaro - Texas Tech
3. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins - Washington
4. C.J. Fiedorowicz - Iowa
5. Nick O'Leary - Florida St
6. Arthur Lynch - Georgia

OT
1. Jake Matthews - Texas A&M
2. Cameron Erving - Florida St
3. Cyrus Kouandjio - Alabama
4. Antonio Richardson - Tennessee
5. Brandon Scherrf - Iowa
6. Taylor Lewan - Michigan
7. Greg Robinson - Auburn
8. Corey Robinson - South Carolina
9. Charles Leno - Boise St
10. James Hurst - North Carolina
11. La'el Collins - LSU
12. JuWuan James - Tennessee
13. Morgan Moses - Virginia

OG
1. Gabe Jackson - Mississippi St
2. Cyril Richardson - Baylor
3. David Yankey - Stanford
4. Xavier Su'a-Filo - UCLA
5. Zack Martin - Notre Dame

OC
1. Bryan Stork - Florida St
2. Travis Swanson - Arkansas
3. Tyler Larsen - Utah St
4. Russell Bodine - North Carolina


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney - South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame
3. Trent Murphy - Stanford
4. Scott Crichton - Oregon St
5. Jackson Jeffcoat - Texas
6. Taylor Hart - Oregon
7. Trevor Reilly - Utah

DT
1. Louis Nix - Notre Dame
2. Ra'Shede Hageman - Minnesota
3. Timmy Jernigan - Florida St
4. Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh
5. Dominique Easley - Florida
6. Anthony Johnson - LSU
7. Kelcy Quarles - South Carolina
8. Will Sutton - Arizona St

OLB
1. Anthony Barr - UCLA
2. Khalil Mack - Buffalo
3. Kyle Van Noy - BYU
4. Ryan Shazier - Ohio St
5. Demarcus Lawrence - Boise St
6. Eric Kendricks - UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley - Alabama
2. A.J. Johnson - Tennessee
3. Christian Jones - Florida St
4. Yawin Smallwood - Connecticut
5. Chris Borland - Wisconsin
6. Andrew Jackson - Western Kentucky

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St
2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Oregon
3. Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St
4. Jason Verrett - TCU
5. Loucheiz Purifoy - Florida
6. Marcus Roberson - Florida
7. Bradley Roby - Ohio St

S
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix - Alabama
2. Lamarcus Joyner - Florida St
3. Craig Loston - LSU
4. Calvin Pryor - Louisville
5. Tre Boston - North Carolina
6. Deone Bucannon – Washington St


K
1. Cairo Santos - Tulane
2. Jeff Budzien - Northwestern
3. Anthony Fera - Texas

P
1. Cody Webster - Purdue
2. Steven Clark - Auburn
3. Kirby Van Der Kamp - Iowa St

 

[WolverineFan]

HB
1. Bishop Sankey - Washington
2. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor
3. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde - Ohio St
5. Charles Sims - West Virginia
6. Tre Mason - Auburn
7. De'Anthony Thomas - Oregon
8. Devonta Freeman - Florida St
9. Andre Williams - Boston College

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St
2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Oregon
3. Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St
4. Jason Verrett - TCU
5. Loucheiz Purifoy - Florida
6. Marcus Roberson - Florida
7. Bradley Roby - Ohio St

1) I'm glad to see you giving Freeman some love at RB. Everyone keeps talking about Wilder, but I just don't see it. He's a physical specimen with no noticeable football skills. He's already been surpassed at RB by a converted Safety. Freeman has great vision and is a three-down back who can block and catch. He's the unsung hero of the FSU offense this year.

2) Kyle Fuller should be somewhere on that list at CB.

 

[Mr teX]

Getting a little deeper into the draft now. Still have a lot of guys to cover but here's what I have so far.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
2. Zach Mettenberger - LSU
3. Blake Bortles - UCF
4. Derek Carr - Fresno St
5. A.J. McCarron - Alabama
6. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M
7. Brett Hundley - UCLA (please go back to school)
8. Tajh Boyd - Clemson
9. Aaron Murray - Georgia

[

Lol at the bolded.........I agree, the physical tools are definitely there..needs to grow as a passer.

 

[bah007]

1) I'm glad to see you giving Freeman some love at RB. Everyone keeps talking about Wilder, but I just don't see it. He's a physical specimen with no noticeable football skills. He's already been surpassed at RB by a converted Safety. Freeman has great vision and is a three-down back who can block and catch. He's the unsung hero of the FSU offense this year.

2) Kyle Fuller should be somewhere on that list at CB.

Wilder looks like he should be playing LB or H-Back.

Fuller is probably #7b for me right now but I haven't seen enough of him yet to feel comfortable adding him to my rankings.

 

[bah007]

Lol at the bolded.........I agree, the physical tools are definitely there..needs to grow as a passer.

He and Mariota both need the extra year. I think they would benefit tremendously.

I would actually like to see Manziel go back for another year as well but that doesn't seem likely. I hope he at least gets to sit on the bench for whoever drafts him. I don't like his chances if he's thrown straight into the fire.

 

[TexansSeminole]

1) I'm glad to see you giving Freeman some love at RB. Everyone keeps talking about Wilder, but I just don't see it. He's a physical specimen with no noticeable football skills. He's already been surpassed at RB by a converted Safety. Freeman has great vision and is a three-down back who can block and catch. He's the unsung hero of the FSU offense this year.

I agree but the question is, will he come out?

 

[TexansFTW]

Will Mike Evans stay a top 10 pick if he continues to run a 4.6 at the combine?

 

[WolverineFan]

I agree but the question is, will he come out?

Freeman or Wilder?

I think Freeman goes back for another year. I think Wilder goes pro because if he doesn't he will be the #3 RB next year. He has the physical measureables that some team will fall in love with.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Freeman or Wilder?

I think Freeman goes back for another year. I think Wilder goes pro because if he doesn't he will be the #3 RB next year. He has the physical measureables that some team will fall in love with.

I was asking about Freeman, but I agree 100% with what you said.

I see Freeman coming back, but Wilder is pretty much a goner for the reason you pointed out.

Anyway, that's why I haven't really been pumping Freeman over Wilder for this draft.

 

[dalemurphy]

Getting a little deeper into the draft now. Still have a lot of guys to cover but here's what I have so far.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
2. Zach Mettenberger - LSU
3. Blake Bortles - UCF
4. Derek Carr - Fresno St
5. A.J. McCarron - Alabama
6. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M
7. Brett Hundley - UCLA (please go back to school)
8. Tajh Boyd - Clemson
9. Aaron Murray - Georgia

HB
1. Bishop Sankey - Washington
2. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor
3. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde - Ohio St
5. Charles Sims - West Virginia
6. Tre Mason - Auburn
7. De'Anthony Thomas - Oregon
8. Devonta Freeman - Florida St
9. Andre Williams - Boston College

FB
1. Trey Millard - Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch - Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland - LSU
4. Ryan Hewitt - Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins - Clemson
2. Marqise Lee - USC
3. Mike Evans - Texas A&M
4. Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt
5. Allen Robinson - Penn St
6. Kelvin Benjamin - Florida St
7. Davante Adams - Fresno St
8. Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss
9. Odell Beckham - LSU
10. Paul Richardson - Colorado
11. Brandin Cooks - Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron - North Carolina
2. Jace Amaro - Texas Tech
3. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins - Washington
4. C.J. Fiedorowicz - Iowa
5. Nick O'Leary - Florida St
6. Arthur Lynch - Georgia

OT
1. Jake Matthews - Texas A&M
2. Cameron Erving - Florida St
3. Cyrus Kouandjio - Alabama
4. Antonio Richardson - Tennessee
5. Brandon Scherrf - Iowa
6. Taylor Lewan - Michigan
7. Greg Robinson - Auburn
8. Corey Robinson - South Carolina
9. Charles Leno - Boise St
10. James Hurst - North Carolina
11. La'el Collins - LSU
12. JuWuan James - Tennessee
13. Morgan Moses - Virginia

OG
1. Gabe Jackson - Mississippi St
2. Cyril Richardson - Baylor
3. David Yankey - Stanford
4. Xavier Su'a-Filo - UCLA
5. Zack Martin - Notre Dame

OC
1. Bryan Stork - Florida St
2. Travis Swanson - Arkansas
3. Tyler Larsen - Utah St
4. Russell Bodine - North Carolina


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney - South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame
3. Trent Murphy - Stanford
4. Scott Crichton - Oregon St
5. Jackson Jeffcoat - Texas
6. Taylor Hart - Oregon
7. Trevor Reilly - Utah

DT
1. Louis Nix - Notre Dame
2. Ra'Shede Hageman - Minnesota
3. Timmy Jernigan - Florida St
4. Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh
5. Dominique Easley - Florida
6. Anthony Johnson - LSU
7. Kelcy Quarles - South Carolina
8. Will Sutton - Arizona St

OLB
1. Anthony Barr - UCLA
2. Khalil Mack - Buffalo
3. Kyle Van Noy - BYU
4. Ryan Shazier - Ohio St
5. Demarcus Lawrence - Boise St
6. Eric Kendricks - UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley - Alabama
2. A.J. Johnson - Tennessee
3. Christian Jones - Florida St
4. Yawin Smallwood - Connecticut
5. Chris Borland - Wisconsin
6. Andrew Jackson - Western Kentucky

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St
2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Oregon
3. Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St
4. Jason Verrett - TCU
5. Loucheiz Purifoy - Florida
6. Marcus Roberson - Florida
7. Bradley Roby - Ohio St

S
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix - Alabama
2. Lamarcus Joyner - Florida St
3. Craig Loston - LSU
4. Calvin Pryor - Louisville
5. Tre Boston - North Carolina
6. Deone Bucannon – Washington St


K
1. Cairo Santos - Tulane
2. Jeff Budzien - Northwestern
3. Anthony Fera - Texas

P
1. Cody Webster - Purdue
2. Steven Clark - Auburn
3. Kirby Van Der Kamp - Iowa St

The silver lining of this disastrous season is right here... Given that our offensive struggles (from a personnel standpoint) this year is almost entirely the result of poor play at QB and RT, it is awfully encouraging that there are 10-11 QBs and 7-8 OTs in this draft that can make arguments for 1st round draft grades. Given that we are likely to have 2 of the 1st 33 picks, that sure is encouraging!

I am not saying that there are 11 QBs coming out that should go in the 1st round!... only that the depth is very good- the best QB depth I recall, potentially since the Marino/Elway/Eason.... I anticipate that much will change by the end of the combine. I share concerns that the murkiness of who should be ranked the #1 QB indicate could be a sign that none of these guys are a true, lights out, elite prospect. I would wager, though, that in three years at least 3 of these guys are top half of the league starters and a solid number of the group have flashed and/or are still coveted as the future or as trustworthy and valuable depth by their team.

Personally, I feel pretty good about Bridgewater. Still, though, my favorite scenario would be a 1st round trade down and accumulation of picks... Then, grabbing one of (Mettenberger/Bortles/Carr) later in the 1st and then getting (Murray/McCarrons/or Boyd) with a 3rd round pick... Meanwhile, using the extra picks to get one of the top offensive tackles and then a BPA defensive player... Something like:

(trade #1 overall for #12, #44, #76 and a pick in 2014)

12. Jace Amaro (TE)
33. Mettenberger (QB)
44. Greg Robinson (T)
65. Yawin Smallwood (LB)
76. A. Murray (QB)

98.
129 (4th compensatory).
131.
164. (5th compensatory)
166.
198.

So, we could have two QB prospects competing and pushing each other (not obsessed with those two guys, specifically)... Have a RT, quality LB to line up next to Cushing in 3-4 or play SLB, probably, in a 4-3, and a stud TE (making it easier to cut OD and save $6 million on this year's cap for free agent help)...

Then, we'd still have 6 picks before pick #200... That seems like the potential for dramatically altering the structure of the roster and building depth, athleticism and addressing needs.

 

[TexansFTW]

The silver lining of this disastrous season is right here... Given that our offensive struggles (from a personnel standpoint) this year is almost entirely the result of poor play at QB and RT, it is awfully encouraging that there are 10-11 QBs and 7-8 OTs in this draft that can make arguments for 1st round draft grades. Given that we are likely to have 2 of the 1st 33 picks, that sure is encouraging!

I am not saying that there are 11 QBs coming out that should go in the 1st round!... only that the depth is very good- the best QB depth I recall, potentially since the Marino/Elway/Eason.... I anticipate that much will change by the end of the combine. I share concerns that the murkiness of who should be ranked the #1 QB indicate could be a sign that none of these guys are a true, lights out, elite prospect. I would wager, though, that in three years at least 3 of these guys are top half of the league starters and a solid number of the group have flashed and/or are still coveted as the future or as trustworthy and valuable depth by their team.

Personally, I feel pretty good about Bridgewater. Still, though, my favorite scenario would be a 1st round trade down and accumulation of picks... Then, grabbing one of (Mettenberger/Bortles/Carr) later in the 1st and then getting (Murray/McCarrons/or Boyd) with a 3rd round pick... Meanwhile, using the extra picks to get one of the top offensive tackles and then a BPA defensive player... Something like:

(trade #1 overall for #12, #44, #76 and a pick in 2014)

12. Jace Amaro (TE)
33. Mettenberger (QB)
44. Greg Robinson (T)
65. Yawin Smallwood (LB)
76. A. Murray (QB)

98.
129 (4th compensatory).
131.
164. (5th compensatory)
166.
198.

So, we could have two QB prospects competing and pushing each other (not obsessed with those two guys, specifically)... Have a RT, quality LB to line up next to Cushing in 3-4 or play SLB, probably, in a 4-3, and a stud TE (making it easier to cut OD and save $6 million on this year's cap for free agent help)...

Then, we'd still have 6 picks before pick #200... That seems like the potential for dramatically altering the structure of the roster and building depth, athleticism and addressing needs.

If the Rams can get 3 - #1's for their #2, I am NOT OK with anything that doesn't at least come close to that. And seeing our history of constant failures in rounds 2-6 I am not impressed whatsoever with that scenario thrown out there.

Also, I find it hard to believe that any new coach would spend 2 picks in the first 3 rounds on a QB. This is assuming they want to make it (the new team image) their own as many seem to do.

I like and respect the work you've put into this though.

 

[WolverineFan]

If the Rams can get 3 - #1's for their #2, I am NOT OK with anything that doesn't at least come close to that. And seeing our history of constant failures in rounds 2-6 I am not impressed whatsoever with that scenario thrown out there.

Also, I find it hard to believe that any new coach would spend 2 picks in the first 3 rounds on a QB. This is assuming they want to make it (the new team image) their own as many seem to do.

I like and respect the work you've put into this though.

No offer is going to come close to that because there is no Luck/RGIII in this draft. If you're holding out for that trade offer then prepare to use that #1 pick because you won't be trading back.

The available talent dictates the trade value and the value is not as high this year.

 

[TexansFTW]

No offer is going to come close to that because there is no Luck/RGIII in this draft. If you're holding out for that trade offer then prepare to use that #1 pick because you won't be trading back.

The available talent dictates the trade value and the value is not as high this year.

Which is better than trading a #1 for a #12, which is basically how I see this.

 

[WolverineFan]

Which is better than trading a #1 for a #12, which is basically how I see this.

Which is fine. No problem with that.

I just see a lot of guys on this board saying we should just trade the pick for a STL/WAS bounty. Well, get ready to turn in your #1 pick because it ain't happening.

 

[bah007]

Updated after watching bowl games and also getting a chance to dig deeper into some guys I haven't seen enough of.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
2. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
3. Blake Bortles – UCF
4. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
5. Derek Carr – Fresno St
6. Tajh Boyd – Clemson
7. Brett Smith – Wyoming
8. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
9. Connor Shaw – South Carolina
10. David Fales – San Jose St

HB
1. Tre Mason – Auburn
2. Bishop Sankey – Washington
3. Ka’Deem Carey – Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde – Ohio St
5. Lache Seastrunk – Baylor
6. Charles Sims – West Virginia
7. Antonio Andrews – Western Kentucky
8. De’Anthony Thomas – Oregon
9. Kapri Bibbs – Colorado St
10. Devonta Freeman – Florida St

FB
1. Trey Millard – Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch – Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland – LSU
4. Chris Coyle – Arizona St
5. Ryan Hewitt – Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
2. Marqise Lee – USC
3. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
4. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
5. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
6. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
7. Allen Robinson – Penn St
8. Davante Adams – Fresno St
9. Jarvis Landry – LSU
10. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron – North Carolina
2. Jace Amaro – Texas Tech
3. Austin Seferian-Jenkins – Washington
4. Troy Niklas – Notre Dame
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz – Iowa
6. Arthur Lynch – Georgia
7. Xavier Grimble – USC
8. Marcel Jensen – Fresno St
9. Jake Murphy – Utah
10. Joe Don Duncan – Dixie St

OT
1. Jake Matthews – Texas A&M
2. Greg Robinson – Auburn
3. Taylor Lewan – Michigan
4. Antonio Richardson – Tennessee
5. Cyrus Kouandjio – Alabama
6. Morgan Moses – Virginia
7. JuWaun James – Tennessee
8. James Hurst – North Carolina
9. Jack Mewhort – Ohio St
10. Seantrel Henderson – Miami

OG
1. Zack Martin – Notre Dame
2. Gabe Jackson – Mississippi St
3. Xavier Su’a-Filo – UCLA
4. Cyril Richardson – Baylor
5. Anthony Steen – Alabama
6. Chris Watt – Notre Dame
7. Jon Halapio – Florida
8. Brandon Thomas – Clemson
9. Spencer Long – Nebraska
10. Brandon Linder – Miami

OC
1. Travis Swanson – Arkansas
2. Weston Richburg – Colorado St
3. Bryan Stork – Florida St
4. Marcus Martin – USC
5. Tyler Larsen – Utah St


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney – South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt – Notre Dame
3. Kony Ealy – Missouri
4. Trent Murphy – Stanford
5. Trevor Reilly – Utah
6. Jackson Jeffcoat – Texas
7. Michael Sam – Missouri
8. Scott Crichton – Oregon St
9. Chris Smith – Arkansas
10. Taylor Hart – Oregon

DT
1. Louis Nix – Notre Dame
2. Timmy Jernigan – Florida St
3. Aaron Donald – Pittsburgh
4. Dominique Easley – Florida
5. Kelcy Quarles – South Carolina
6. Will Sutton – Arizona St
7. RaShede Hageman – Minnesota
8. Ego Ferguson – LSU
9. DaQuan Jones – Penn St
10. Anthony Johnson – LSU

OLB
1. Anthony Barr – UCLA
2. Khalil Mack – Buffalo
3. Ryan Shazier – Ohio St
4. Kyle Van Noy – BYU
5. Vic Beasley – Clemson
6. Dee Ford – Auburn
7. Demarcus Lawrence – Boise St
8. Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech
9. Telvin Smith – Florida St
10. Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley – Alabama
2. Yawin Smallwood – Connecticut
3. Christian Jones – Florida St
4. Chris Borland – Wisconsin
5. Shayne Skov – Stanford
6. Max Bullough – Michigan St
7. Lamin Barrow – LSU
8. Andrew Jackson – Western Kentucky
9. Greg Blair – Cincinnati
10. DeDe Lattimore – South Florida

CB
1. Justin Gilbert – Oklahoma St
2. Darqueze Dennard – Michigan St
3. Jason Verrett – TCU
4. Lamarcus Joyner – Florida St
5. Marcus Roberson – Florida
6. Kyle Fuller – Virginia Tech
7. Bradley Roby – Ohio St
8. Loucheiz Purifoy – Florida
9. E.J. Gaines – Missouri
10. Terrance Mitchell – Oregon

FS
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix – Alabama
2. Terrence Brooks – Florida St
3. Jimmie Ward – Northern Illinois
4. Stanley Jean-Baptiste – Nebraska
5. Hakeem Smith – Louisville
6. Tre Boston – North Carolina
7. Isaiah Lewis – Michigan St
8. Antone Exum – Virginia Tech
9. Jonathan Dowling – Western Kentucky
10. Dontae Johnson – North Carolina St

SS
1. Deone Bucannon – Washington St
2. Calvin Pryor – Louisville
3. Craig Loston – LSU
4. Ahmad Dixon – Baylor
5. Dion Bailey – USC
6. Marqueston Huff – Wyoming
7. Kenny Ladler – Vanderbilt
8. Nickoe Whitley – Mississippi St
9. Daytawion Lowe – Oklahoma St
10. Jacques Washington – Iowa St

K
1. Anthony Fera – Texas
2. Jeff Budzien – Northwestern
3. Cairo Santos – Tulane

P
1. Steven Clark – Auburn
2. Kirby Van Der Kamp – Iowa St
3. Pat O’Donnell – Miami

 

[WolverineFan]

Looks really good. Rep.

 

[beerlover]

have you checked out Greg Robinson, who is a beast (Auburn) certainly looks like a franchise LT. Matthews not so much, more like serviceable LT, starting RT or pro bowl LG.

did you see that Florida State red-shirt sophomore Kelvin Benjamin is turning pro?

really nice job overall

 

[bah007]

have you checked out Greg Robinson, who is a beast (Auburn) certainly looks like a franchise LT. Matthews not so much, more like serviceable LT, starting RT or pro bowl LG.

did you see that Florida State red-shirt sophomore Kelvin Benjamin is turning pro?

really nice job overall

List has been updated at post #21 to include players who have since declared.

And thank you.

 

[76Texan]

I wish I can see Robinson against edge rushers a whole lot more; it's too difficult to have a good read of him in pass pro.

 

[bah007]

I wish I can see Robinson against edge rushers a whole lot more; it's too difficult to have a good read of him in pass pro.

That's the one thing that makes it hard for me to rank him ahead of Matthews. I really think Robinson is one of those guys who would benefit from a year or two at RT before he moved over. Definitely a potential franchise LT though.

 

[beerlover]

Robinson is blessed as is KB. tough call - base grades as current or as projected? I tend to always look forward, but that is just personal choice.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Thanks for your top '5's.

 

[bah007]

Robinson is blessed as is KB. tough call - base grades as current or as projected? I tend to always look forward, but that is just personal choice.

Combination of both. Potential is taken into account, but you never know what kind of coaching these guys are going to get until you see which team drafts them. I like guys who need less work to make the transition, but it would be foolish to ignore a talented athlete just because he is raw.

I would personally draft Robinson over Matthews because I think he is a franchise LT. But Matthews is so far ahead technically that he is clearly the better player at this point in time. If Robinson went to the wrong team he could end up as a RT who is inferior to Matthews.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Combination of both. Potential is taken into account, but you never know what kind of coaching these guys are going to get until you see which team drafts them. I like guys who need less work to make the transition, but it would be foolish to ignore a talented athlete just because he is raw.

I would personally draft Robinson over Matthews because I think he is a franchise LT. But Matthews is so far ahead technically that he is clearly the better player at this point in time. If Robinson went to the wrong team he could end up as a RT who is inferior to Matthews.

Is Robinson's talent worth picking #1 overall ?

 

[76Texan]

I wonder if Kouandjio dropped off quite a few spots because he had a bad game against Oklahoma or because you've seen more, bah?

Is it possible that he had some kind of issues that particular day?
Normally, I saw him better on the edge than that; admittedly, I've only watched about six or seven of his games so far.
Was there another one or two bad games that stood out for you?

 

[bah007]

Is Robinson's talent worth picking #1 overall ?

His talent at this point in time? No.

His potential to be a franchise LT? Yes.

You pass if you're the Texans because you already have Duane Brown and don't need to take the risk on him. If you're a team that's desperate for a LT you might do it.

 

[bah007]

I wonder if Kouandjio dropped off quite a few spots because he had a bad game against Oklahoma or because you've seen more, bah?

Is it possible that he had some kind of issues that particular day?
Normally, I saw him better on the edge than that; admittedly, I've only watched about six or seven of his games so far.
Was there another one or two bad games that stood out for you?

It wasn't just Oklahoma but that game definitely made an impression on me. Kouandjio was protected last year by having Warmack next to him. He was left one on one a lot more often this year and I didn't think he looked as good. He's clearly a specimen, but he looks off balance a lot to me. The style of offense Alabama runs gives the OL an advantage in pass blocking because defenders are slow to push the pocket off the snap for fear of leaving their run gap unmanned.

He's got great size and he's a plus athlete for the position. He's just underwhelming to me. Definitely a first round prospect. I just like some other guys more after digging deeper.

 

[Marshall]

I've looked at the Bleacher Report Mock and if there is a WR heavy draft as they have, OTs Taylor Lewan and Cameron Erving are still on the board at 2-33 as are DE Stephen Tuitt and DT RaShede Hageman; all projected as 1st rounders.

Assuming we were not able to pick up a second 1st in a trade, who would you pick? For this arguments sake, let's assume we've already picked QB with 1-1.

 

[bah007]

I've looked at the Bleacher Report Mock and if there is a WR heavy draft as they have, OTs Taylor Lewan and Cameron Erving are still on the board at 2-33 as are DE Stephen Tuitt and DT RaShede Hageman; all projected as 1st rounders.

Assuming we were not able to pick up a second 1st in a trade, who would you pick? For this arguments sake, let's assume we've already picked QB with 1-1.

Who would I pick out of Lewan, Tuitt, and Hageman? Erving is going back to school.

Tuitt if it falls that way. I don't like taking a DE that early but he's a future All Pro as a 34 DE.

 

[mussop]

Who would I pick out of Lewan, Tuitt, and Hageman? Erving is going back to school.

Tuitt if it falls that way. I don't like taking a DE that early but he's a future All Pro as a 34 DE.

Me too. It would be tough to pass up a big need at OT with that kind of talent sitting there. However Tuitt would be to good to pass up. There should be some solid RT prospects available at 3.1. .

 

[powda]

Updated after watching bowl games and also getting a chance to dig deeper into some guys I haven't seen enough of.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
2. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
3. Blake Bortles – UCF
4. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
5. Derek Carr – Fresno St
6. Tajh Boyd – Clemson
7. Brett Smith – Wyoming
8. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
9. Connor Shaw – South Carolina
10. David Fales – San Jose St

HB
1. Tre Mason – Auburn
2. Bishop Sankey – Washington
3. Ka’Deem Carey – Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde – Ohio St
5. Lache Seastrunk – Baylor
6. Charles Sims – West Virginia
7. Antonio Andrews – Western Kentucky
8. De’Anthony Thomas – Oregon
9. Kapri Bibbs – Colorado St
10. Devonta Freeman – Florida St

FB
1. Trey Millard – Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch – Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland – LSU
4. Chris Coyle – Arizona St
5. Ryan Hewitt – Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
2. Marqise Lee – USC
3. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
4. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
5. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
6. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
7. Allen Robinson – Penn St
8. Davante Adams – Fresno St
9. Jarvis Landry – LSU
10. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron – North Carolina
2. Jace Amaro – Texas Tech
3. Austin Seferian-Jenkins – Washington
4. Troy Niklas – Notre Dame
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz – Iowa
6. Arthur Lynch – Georgia
7. Xavier Grimble – USC
8. Marcel Jensen – Fresno St
9. Jake Murphy – Utah
10. Joe Don Duncan – Dixie St

OT
1. Jake Matthews – Texas A&M
2. Greg Robinson – Auburn
3. Taylor Lewan – Michigan
4. Antonio Richardson – Tennessee
5. Cyrus Kouandjio – Alabama
6. Morgan Moses – Virginia
7. JuWaun James – Tennessee
8. James Hurst – North Carolina
9. Jack Mewhort – Ohio St
10. Seantrel Henderson – Miami

OG
1. Zack Martin – Notre Dame
2. Gabe Jackson – Mississippi St
3. Xavier Su’a-Filo – UCLA
4. Cyril Richardson – Baylor
5. Anthony Steen – Alabama
6. Chris Watt – Notre Dame
7. Jon Halapio – Florida
8. Brandon Thomas – Clemson
9. Spencer Long – Nebraska
10. Brandon Linder – Miami

OC
1. Travis Swanson – Arkansas
2. Weston Richburg – Colorado St
3. Bryan Stork – Florida St
4. Marcus Martin – USC
5. Tyler Larsen – Utah St


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney – South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt – Notre Dame
3. Kony Ealy – Missouri
4. Trent Murphy – Stanford
5. Trevor Reilly – Utah
6. Jackson Jeffcoat – Texas
7. Michael Sam – Missouri
8. Scott Crichton – Oregon St
9. Chris Smith – Arkansas
10. Taylor Hart – Oregon

DT
1. Louis Nix – Notre Dame
2. Timmy Jernigan – Florida St
3. Aaron Donald – Pittsburgh
4. Dominique Easley – Florida
5. Kelcy Quarles – South Carolina
6. Will Sutton – Arizona St
7. RaShede Hageman – Minnesota
8. Ego Ferguson – LSU
9. DaQuan Jones – Penn St
10. Anthony Johnson – LSU

OLB
1. Anthony Barr – UCLA
2. Khalil Mack – Buffalo
3. Ryan Shazier – Ohio St
4. Kyle Van Noy – BYU
5. Vic Beasley – Clemson
6. Dee Ford – Auburn
7. Demarcus Lawrence – Boise St
8. Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech
9. Telvin Smith – Florida St
10. Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley – Alabama
2. Yawin Smallwood – Connecticut
3. Christian Jones – Florida St
4. Chris Borland – Wisconsin
5. Shayne Skov – Stanford
6. Max Bullough – Michigan St
7. Lamin Barrow – LSU
8. Andrew Jackson – Western Kentucky
9. Greg Blair – Cincinnati
10. DeDe Lattimore – South Florida

CB
1. Justin Gilbert – Oklahoma St
2. Darqueze Dennard – Michigan St
3. Jason Verrett – TCU
4. Lamarcus Joyner – Florida St
5. Marcus Roberson – Florida
6. Kyle Fuller – Virginia Tech
7. Bradley Roby – Ohio St
8. Loucheiz Purifoy – Florida
9. E.J. Gaines – Missouri
10. Terrance Mitchell – Oregon

FS
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix – Alabama
2. Terrence Brooks – Florida St
3. Jimmie Ward – Northern Illinois
4. Stanley Jean-Baptiste – Nebraska
5. Hakeem Smith – Louisville
6. Tre Boston – North Carolina
7. Isaiah Lewis – Michigan St
8. Antone Exum – Virginia Tech
9. Jonathan Dowling – Western Kentucky
10. Dontae Johnson – North Carolina St

SS
1. Deone Bucannon – Washington St
2. Calvin Pryor – Louisville
3. Craig Loston – LSU
4. Ahmad Dixon – Baylor
5. Dion Bailey – USC
6. Marqueston Huff – Wyoming
7. Kenny Ladler – Vanderbilt
8. Nickoe Whitley – Mississippi St
9. Daytawion Lowe – Oklahoma St
10. Jacques Washington – Iowa St

K
1. Anthony Fera – Texas
2. Jeff Budzien – Northwestern
3. Cairo Santos – Tulane

P
1. Steven Clark – Auburn
2. Kirby Van Der Kamp – Iowa St
3. Pat O’Donnell – Miami

Curious to see you have mettenberger ranked ahead of carr. That's contrary to everything I've read but qb is perhaps the most subjective position of them all. I have admittedly seen far less of these guys then you so not really a big deal...just something that stood out to me. Thanks for your efforts. Im still in a learning phase on college talent and progress will be slow on what I think fits here till our coaching staff is complete. Appreciate your posts. Will you be compilling a list ranking regardless of position in the near future?

 

[bah007]

Curious to see you have mettenberger ranked ahead of carr. That's contrary to everything I've read but qb is perhaps the most subjective position of them all. I have admittedly seen far less of these guys then you so not really a big deal...just something that stood out to me. Thanks for your efforts. Im still in a learning phase on college talent and progress will be slow on what I think fits here till our coaching staff is complete. Appreciate your posts. Will you be compilling a list ranking regardless of position in the near future?

I've been high on Mettenberger for a while now. I backed off after the injury, but I've changed my mind. He's not a mobile guy anyway so a mobility injury doesn't change anything about his game. He's got the arm talent to be great. He's mentally behind but made great strides this year under Cam Cameron.

I've been trying to like Carr because the national guys do, but I'm just not as high on him as everyone else. Every time I watch him all I see is Davante Adams making him look good. The rotoworld link that was posted the other day really confirmed some of my beliefs on him.

And yes, I'll have a top 32 out in the next couple of days.

 

[TexansSeminole]

You always do a great job bah and this part of the forum would not be the same without you. I don't rep you enough.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Some of those stats about Carr make me concerned, especially the short pass accuracy issues.

 

[Corrosion]

I've been trying to like Carr because the national guys do, but I'm just not as high on him as everyone else. Every time I watch him all I see is Davante Adams making him look good. The rotoworld link that was posted the other day really confirmed some of my beliefs on him.

And yes, I'll have a top 32 out in the next couple of days.

I'm with you on Carr , I almost got caught up in the hype , then watched how he struggles against pressure .... If he's struggling in college , you can expect those struggles to continue in the NFL where the pressure is increased.


I might drop Carr (and Boyd) behind Wyoming's Brett Smith .... & I'm a little higher on Fales than you.
Here's my QB list as o now , which is subject to change ...

1. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
2. Blake Bortles – UCF
3. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
4. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
5. Brett Smith – Wyoming
6. Derek Carr – Fresno St
7. David Fales – San Jose St
8. Connor Shaw – South Carolina
9. Tajh Boyd – Clemson
10. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois

Same guy's , just shuffled around a bit .


Cant wait to see your top 32 and compare.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Why so low on Boyd, Corrosion?

 

[ziggy29]

This whole thing makes me wonder. This year's QB class seems to be deep with decent prospects but no Luck-type guys who would scream "easy choice for #1 pick".

So if you are drafting a QB high, do you go all-out with a very high pick getting the very best of this lot, or if you think there's not a huge drop off between the top couple of names and (say) the next five, do you not go after a Bridgewater or Manziel in the first round and instead meet other needs with players more dominant at their position in the first round, and go for someone like Mettenberger or Fales in the (say) third round if they're still on the board?

 

[bah007]

This whole thing makes me wonder. This year's QB class seems to be deep with decent prospects but no Luck-type guys who would scream "easy choice for #1 pick".

So if you are drafting a QB high, do you go all-out with a very high pick getting the very best of this lot, or if you think there's not a huge drop off between the top couple of names and (say) the next five, do you not go after a Bridgewater or Manziel in the first round and instead meet other needs with players more dominant at their position in the first round, and go for someone like Mettenberger or Fales in the (say) third round if they're still on the board?

Depends on FO mentality.

"Win now" suggests Bridgewater or Manziel. They start from day 1 and we'll see what happens.

If you take Mettenberger, Boyd, Smith, etc. you're almost positively having them sit behind a veteran for at least a year.

 

[TexansFTW]

This whole thing makes me wonder. This year's QB class seems to be deep with decent prospects but no Luck-type guys who would scream "easy choice for #1 pick".

So if you are drafting a QB high, do you go all-out with a very high pick getting the very best of this lot, or if you think there's not a huge drop off between the top couple of names and (say) the next five, do you not go after a Bridgewater or Manziel in the first round and instead meet other needs with players more dominant at their position in the first round, and go for someone like Mettenberger or Fales in the (say) third round if they're still on the board?

The difference in TB and Mett/Fales is night and day.

One scenario you draft a QB in the 1st next year with a top 5 pick, the other you are addressing positions of need in the draft.

I posted the below in one of Bah007's other threads. I posed this question, heard his response, and took away from it that he (Zach Mett) still doesn't belong. I'd like to hear what others have to say since there is some buzz going on here.

What is everyone's obsession with Zach Met? Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?

Yeah, he was pretty good in the SEC under Cam Cameron, but he was still wildly inconsistent.

I like his height, build, and arm obviously but that's pretty much where I draw the line. Anyone can have awesome games against UAB or Kent State, but where were those games against the "SEC Competition" that SEC fans pride themselves on?

I've seen this chatter going on for a while and just haven't said anything, but since you made this I will ask.

For me, he was a guy that ran a 5.2 before he tore his ACL and I highly doubt he's Adrian Peterson so I doubt he comes back better. He is Mike Glennon II. A career 5-8 win QB until his rookie contract ends and he becomes a journeyman backup.

Obviously my 2 cents. Feel free to educate me if I'm ignorant.

 

[ziggy29]

The difference in TB and Mett/Fales is night and day.

It is significant. But I don't think the gap is as large between a potential high 1st rounder and 3rd rounder at QB as it is in many other years. There are a lot of QBs this year with round 1-3 draft potential even though there really aren't the compelling can't-miss "franchise" guys out there. Of course, some thought Ryan Leaf would be franchise, and then there was JaMarcus Russell. And on the flip side, Brady was a 6th rounder and Joe Montana was a 3rd rounder.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

The gap between 1st rd QB and 3rd QB might be smaller than other positions, but the importance of 'fixing' that position is much greater than any other.

I am firmly in the camp of deciding between TB, Manziel and Bortles and pulling the trigger at 1:1 and never looking back (hopefully).

 

[Corrosion]

Why so low on Boyd, Corrosion?

Before the season I had Boyd rated as the #1 Sr QB in this draft. My how that has changed.

Mechanically he's not bad , pretty solid footwork , ball handling skills are solid and has a sound throwing motion .... When things are going good for him he can be above average ...


He doesn't have the strongest or most accurate arm ... but the biggest thing to me is mental breakdowns , especially when he gets hit a couple times early in a game ..... everything just falls apart. Mechanics , body language , footwork ... the foundation crumbles.

He just doesn't seem to have that mental toughness .... You watch Manziel get popped , he jumps up and starts talking smack .... Bridgewater and Bortles show that mental toughness too .... that top group takes a hit and rise to the occasion ..... These guy's show that "will to win." I just don't see that same mental toughness from Boyd.

I keep seeing flashbacks of .... McNabb puking on the field.

 

[Blake]

I think Carr dropping in the rankings is a good thing for him. Going in the 2nd might allow the team to sit him for a season and let him learn while these 1st rounders are going to be thrown in the fire.

 

[TexansFTW]

I keep seeing flashbacks of .... McNabb puking on the field.

lol, weren't you the one that brought that up in another thread only to have like 10 DIFFERENT people tell you that you didn't know what you were talking about?

I agree w/ your assessment on Boyd though. When he's pushed he crumbles. He will fail in the NFL. He's on my Do Not Draft ever list. He will get spot starts as the pros and win against a horrible defense that didn't game plan for him, get a few more starts and fail then be a journey-man backup.

I think there will only be 4 QBs that will have starting QB careers in this draft.