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All Encompassing Case Keenum Thread

Runner said:
Does being under center more improve the running game? I can't remember what formations the Texans were using when Tate was at his most productive against the Patriots
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I either read or heard that RB's like running out of the pistol because they get the ball standing still and it makes it easier for them to pick a hole.

I could see how it would make the ZBS harder, though since the back isn't moving to one side at the snap and that would make the backside cut harder to create or find.

Couldn't you just have the back line up 2-3 yds behind the QB in the pistol? It could make for some ugly TFL's, but that could be lived with considering how much better Keenum played while running the pistol.
 
ESPN, USA Today and others are reporting that Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is returning next season for his junior year.

So, one less QB for the Texans to consider.
 
Mr teX said:
There are plenty of facts to go around my friend...

Fact: keenum contributed to extending our losing streak 6 more games after Schaub was benched.
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fact, contributed means more than 1 player. this team has all kinds of problems across the board.
 
I still like the idea of Starting Keenum next yr and if he isn't the guy the Texans should have a high enough pick to get one of the 2015 QB class which I like better than any QB in this class. Fix the trenches this yr.

Unless somebody other than Rick Smith is hired and falls in love with one of the QB's in this yrs draft.

No, I'm not a Keenum guy I just dont want a repeat of the Carr yrs. I'll say it again for the 1st time in franchise history fix the trenches. This reminds me of another Carr over Peppers situation.
 
steelbtexan said:
I still like the idea of Starting Keenum next yr and if he isn't the guy the Texans should have a high enough pick to get one of the 2015 QB class which I like better than any QB in this class. Fix the trenches this yr.

Unless somebody other than Rick Smith is hired and falls in love with one of the QB's in this yrs draft.

No, I'm not a Keenum guy I just dont want a repeat of the Carr yrs. I'll say it again for the 1st time in franchise history fix the trenches. This reminds me of another Carr over Peppers situation.
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It does reminds me a similarity of that year except our remaining roster are much much better. It seems to me QB position is not as strong as past recent years. So, I agree. I would prefer for us to look for someone can help immediately on front 7. Or, trade down to obtain more picks. I hope, there are trading value for TJ as we more than likely we need to keep Matt due to his contract.
 
Kubiak 12.2.13

(on being back on the field yesterday and how that helped to be able to work more closely with QB Case Keenum) “I enjoyed it. I know that. It’s nice to be down there, just emotions and to get the juices flowing again, so to speak. He’s been great to work with. For a young guy, he’s very tough minded. You coach him hard. The expectations, even though he’s young, he’s got a lot of expectations for himself and I have a lot for him. I think he did a lot of good things. He continues to make a lot of big plays for us offensively. We’re striving for consistency. That’s what being a great player in this league is all about, doing it over and over again, and being consistent. That’s something he’s working through trying to get better, but just got to keep pushing him. Need to get him a W. He’s been doing a lot of good things. We need to get a win.”
 
19 of Keenum's 103 completions (18.4%) have been for 25 yards or more. That's the best percentage for QBs with more than 100 completions.

Keenum has thrown 3 INTs in 190 attempts (1.5%). That's the best in the AFC and 5th in NFL.

From: @doughertydrew
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
ESPN, USA Today and others are reporting that Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is returning next season for his junior year.

So, one less QB for the Texans to consider.
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Sounds about right. He needs a little more grooming.
Now, I don't have to toss and turn about where to put him on the board.
I would trade for a future first round pick in order to bundle up a package deal next year. That class is looking better at the top end with him in the mix.
 
For me, Case has shown flashes of being able to grow into the role.

But QBs are so difficult to gauge. Sometimes guys will look really promising at first (like Mirer and Everett) and then crash horribly while other guys don't look so good at first but they're able to turn it around.

When Schaub was at his best, he was able to move this team down the field in chunks and when people blitzed, he was able to make the hot-read and get it to the right guy to make them pay. He was never that great at stretching the field even though he had a high ypa.

Keenum's more of a gun-slinger but he's got to learn how and when to pick his shots. He's got to get more control of that high percentage short-to-middle throw that eats up clock and efficiently moves the ball down the field.

Even before this season, I was planning on us taking Schaub's replacement this off-season and having a year to groom the guy if necessary. If this turns into a Rivers/Brees situation, that's fine. As long as we have a QB who can win us some games.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
For me, Case has shown flashes of being able to grow into the role.

But QBs are so difficult to gauge. Sometimes guys will look really promising at first (like Mirer and Everett) and then crash horribly while other guys don't look so good at first but they're able to turn it around.

When Schaub was at his best, he was able to move this team down the field in chunks and when people blitzed, he was able to make the hot-read and get it to the right guy to make them pay. He was never that great at stretching the field even though he had a high ypa.

Keenum's more of a gun-slinger but he's got to learn how and when to pick his shots. He's got to get more control of that high percentage short-to-middle throw that eats up clock and efficiently moves the ball down the field.

Even before this season, I was planning on us taking Schaub's replacement this off-season and having a year to groom the guy if necessary. If this turns into a Rivers/Brees situation, that's fine. As long as we have a QB who can win us some games.
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Need a separate thread for sane, balanced posts like this. I agree with everything you said.
 
steelbtexan said:
I still like the idea of Starting Keenum next yr and if he isn't the guy the Texans should have a high enough pick to get one of the 2015 QB class which I like better than any QB in this class. Fix the trenches this yr.

Unless somebody other than Rick Smith is hired and falls in love with one of the QB's in this yrs draft.

No, I'm not a Keenum guy I just dont want a repeat of the Carr yrs. I'll say it again for the 1st time in franchise history fix the trenches. This reminds me of another Carr over Peppers situation.
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Except bridgewater is the top rated prospect on a talented team vs carr going to an expansion team. It only sounds the same because you are a kenum fan and you're scared of the unknown. Do your research and just watch the poise,accuracy,the pop,and just the way bridgewater makes the game look easy. He never looks flustered and its not like he's playing with a lot of nfl talent. I watched his bad games and I was impressed. Watched bostic hit him in the mouth and all he did was get up and kept throwing strikes.

There isn't a gm or coach in the nfl who is gona pass a franchise caliber guy like bridgewater because they want to see case keenum. Like a poster said, we didn't have a thread to see tj yates again after he was put in after a disaster of matt schaub.
 
76Texan said:
Sounds about right. He needs a little more grooming.
Now, I don't have to toss and turn about where to put him on the board.
I would trade for a future first round pick in order to bundle up a package deal next year. That class is looking better at the top end with him in the mix.
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You mean like Cleveland? Lol. See how that worked for them. Now they're too low to move up for the best prospect.
 
leebigeztx said:
Except bridgewater is the top rated prospect on a talented team vs carr going to an expansion team. It only sounds the same because you are a kenum fan and you're scared of the unknown. Do your research and just watch the poise,accuracy,the pop,and just the way bridgewater makes the game look easy. He never looks flustered and its not like he's playing with a lot of nfl talent. I watched his bad games and I was impressed. Watched bostic hit him in the mouth and all he did was get up and kept throwing strikes.

There isn't a gm or coach in the nfl who is gona pass a franchise caliber guy like bridgewater because they want to see case keenum. Like a poster said, we didn't have a thread to see tj yates again after he was put in after a disaster of matt schaub.
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Nope, no Keenum fan

Just like Winston/Petty/Hogan more.

I know you don't like Hogan.
 
leebigeztx said:
You mean like Cleveland? Lol. See how that worked for them. Now they're too low to move up for the best prospect.
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If Keenum is as bad as you think he is one of Winston,Petty,Hogan,Mariota will be there when the Texans pick.

How many points did Bridgewater put up against UH/CF?
 
leebigeztx said:
Except bridgewater is the top rated prospect on a talented team vs carr going to an expansion team. It only sounds the same because you are a kenum fan and you're scared of the unknown. Do your research and just watch the poise,accuracy,the pop,and just the way bridgewater makes the game look easy. He never looks flustered and its not like he's playing with a lot of nfl talent. I watched his bad games and I was impressed. Watched bostic hit him in the mouth and all he did was get up and kept throwing strikes.

There isn't a gm or coach in the nfl who is gona pass a franchise caliber guy like bridgewater because they want to see case keenum. Like a poster said, we didn't have a thread to see tj yates again after he was put in after a disaster of matt schaub.
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Top rated by whom? Don't take a mock draft and try to transform it into reality.
 
The Case on Keenum

Keenum ranks 34th in completion percentage (54.1 percent) and is 26-of-58 (44.8 percent) in the fourth quarters of games he's finished. In his last three starts, he's posted a 73.3 quarterback rating or lower. Keenum has experienced a drop off in his level of play as opponents obtain more film on him.

Source: NFL.com

Have a look at situational stats.

Keenum: http://www.nfl.com/player/casekeenum/2532888/situationalstats
Schaub: http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub/2505982/situationalstats
 
leebigeztx said:
So tell me, what do you like so much about petty and hogan. I like winston too,but I want to hear about petty and hogan.
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Stronger arms, just as good mobility

The fact that both are playing for HC's that have put successful QB's in the league recently. Played against better competition etc....

I'm not saying this is right and I know for every lower level guy coming out you may get a Ben or Flacco (Flacco started at Pitt.) you get a Pennington,Leftwich/Charlie Frye.

Less risk/Better arm/Better comp/arguably better coaching.
 
leebigeztx said:
Except bridgewater is the top rated prospect on a talented team vs carr going to an expansion team. It only sounds the same because you are a kenum fan and you're scared of the unknown. Do your research and just watch the poise,accuracy,the pop,and just the way bridgewater makes the game look easy. He never looks flustered and its not like he's playing with a lot of nfl talent. I watched his bad games and I was impressed. Watched bostic hit him in the mouth and all he did was get up and kept throwing strikes.

There isn't a gm or coach in the nfl who is gona pass a franchise caliber guy like bridgewater because they want to see case keenum. Like a poster said, we didn't have a thread to see tj yates again after he was put in after a disaster of matt schaub.
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On that note its not like he's playing against a lot of NFL talent either.
 
Nitrofish said:
The Case on Keenum

Keenum ranks 34th in completion percentage (54.1 percent) and is 26-of-58 (44.8 percent) in the fourth quarters of games he's finished. In his last three starts, he's posted a 73.3 quarterback rating or lower. Keenum has experienced a drop off in his level of play as opponents obtain more film on him.

Source: NFL.com

Have a look at situational stats.

Keenum: http://www.nfl.com/player/casekeenum/2532888/situationalstats
Schaub: http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub/2505982/situationalstats
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I dont think keenum has regressed. Kubiak is trying to make him change his style of play. Most his big plays come when he's outside the pocket, something kubiak is trying to eliminate.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope, no Keenum fan

Just like Winston/Petty/Hogan more.

I know you don't like Hogan.
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Winston is obvious. Guy has all the tools and that "it" factor. I was a big fan of Hogan last year, but I've been a little disappointed with him this year. He's struggled with accuracy and his windup is Tebow-esque. Like the other parts of his game though. Not as high on Petty as others. I like his tools, but there's just something about him that makes me rank him lower than the other guys.

If they were all coming out in the same year I would rank them as follows...

1) Winston
2) Bridgewater
3) Hogan
4) Bortles
5) Petty
6) Mariota
7) Hundley (has potential to move much higher)
8) Carr
9) Mettenberger
10) Murray
 
EllisUnit said:
I dont think keenum has regressed. Kubiak is trying to make him change his style of play. Most his big plays come when he's outside the pocket, something kubiak is trying to eliminate.
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Where the heck do you get the idea Kubiak dislikes QBs working outside the pocket? Teams are playing contain more and crashing down on him from wide outside resulting in his change of direction scrambling backwards plays instead of pulling up cleanly. He needs to learn to scramble smarter and he is adjusting to folks in the NFL being faster - he can't dance out of reach as much in the NFL.
 
Winston is a very nice prospect as well, but I can't be enthusiastic about having to lose all games next year to be in the hunt. That's depressing.

What about character? Not saying he's guilty, but being accused of rape is a big red flag for me. Bridgewater is a church going nice guy. A Bob McNair guy through and through.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope, no Keenum fan

Just like Winston/Petty/Hogan more.

I know you don't like Hogan.
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How the hell can anybody not like Hogan? He is a real American....

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Some people got some serious issues...Brother!
 
WolverineFan said:
Winston is obvious. Guy has all the tools and that "it" factor. I was a big fan of Hogan last year, but I've been a little disappointed with him this year. He's struggled with accuracy and his windup is Tebow-esque. Like the other parts of his game though. Not as high on Petty as others. I like his tools, but there's just something about him that makes me rank him lower than the other guys.

If they were all coming out in the same year I would rank them as follows...

1) Winston
2) Bridgewater
3) Hogan
4) Bortles
5) Petty
6) Mariota
7) Hundley (has potential to move much higher)
8) Carr
9) Mettenberger
10) Murray
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As much as I like winston, i see one read qb right now in that system. He is just a true freshman and i do like that list u compiled. I see Boyd is missing from it though.

I keep watching Hogan trying to figure what steelbluetexan see in that dude. For all this so called pro style, hes at 61% in college football especially the pac 12 where theyre allergic to defense. Not only that, ive watched him pass for 100 yds and win a game in college football. I dont care about pro style or his coach tvh. Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen played under the former patriots guru Charlie Weiss and look at those 2. We've seen plenty of non prostyle qbs be very,very successful in the nfl. Its about your talent and your drive. If steelblue wanna tell me hogan is more talented than bridgewater, then we will disagree.
 
EllisUnit said:
I dont think keenum has regressed. Kubiak is trying to make him change his style of play. Most his big plays come when he's outside the pocket, something kubiak is trying to eliminate.
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infantrycak said:
Where the heck do you get the idea Kubiak dislikes QBs working outside the pocket? Teams are playing contain more and crashing down on him from wide outside resulting in his change of direction scrambling backwards plays instead of pulling up cleanly. He needs to learn to scramble smarter and he is adjusting to folks in the NFL being faster - he can't dance out of reach as much in the NFL.
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I don't think Keenum regressed as much as I think Kubiak's coaching style caused him to play tight. I honestly believe that Kubiak emphasizes ball security to a point that causes his QBs to play overly-cautious (over-cautiously?).
I think Kubiak hammered the confidence out of Schaub by putting too much emphasis on not turning the ball over. Made Schaub think too much, and turned him into a check down queen. IMO, it's just another symptom of Kubiak's play-not-to-lose mentality.

OTOH, Kubiak wasn't physically present for some of Keenum's practices and games, so I could just be seeing things...
 
michaelm said:
I don't think Keenum regressed as much as I think Kubiak's coaching style caused him to play tight. I honestly believe that Kubiak emphasizes ball security to a point that causes his QBs to play overly-cautious (over-cautiously?).
I think Kubiak hammered the confidence out of Schaub by putting too much emphasis on not turning the ball over. Made Schaub think too much, and turned him into a check down queen. IMO, it's just another symptom of Kubiak's play-not-to-lose mentality.

OTOH, Kubiak wasn't physically present for some of Keenum's practices and games, so I could just be seeing things...
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I think Schaub's issue is his foot. Two and a half years ago, he was a different player. I think Schaub's foot has cost him strength and confidence.

Keenum? I think he's just thinking too much. Now that he's got some experience, he's thinking about things. After the last Jag game, he said he wasn't trusting his reads. Let's hope he pulls through this and starts putting it together again.
 
Case had his worse game against the Jags 2 weeks ago. But he's a film room junky and there's been numerous comments that he learns from his mistakes. We can expect a different game from him tonight. AJ only had 2 receptions against the Jags last time out. Expect him and Case to hook up tonight.
 
Nitrofish said:
The Case on Keenum

Keenum ranks 34th in completion percentage (54.1 percent) and is 26-of-58 (44.8 percent) in the fourth quarters of games he's finished. In his last three starts, he's posted a 73.3 quarterback rating or lower. Keenum has experienced a drop off in his level of play as opponents obtain more film on him.
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This will be the first time he's played a team for the second time. He didn't do very well the last time we played these guys. Fingers crossed that he does something atypical to what we've seen (last week lit a glimmer).

EllisUnit said:
Most his big plays come when he's outside the pocket, something kubiak is trying to eliminate.
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:tinfoil:

michaelm said:
I don't think Keenum regressed as much as I think Kubiak's coaching style caused him to play tight. I honestly believe that Kubiak emphasizes ball security to a point that causes his QBs to play overly-cautious (over-cautiously?).
I think Kubiak hammered the confidence out of Schaub by putting too much emphasis on not turning the ball over. Made Schaub think too much, and turned him into a check down queen. IMO, it's just another symptom of Kubiak's play-not-to-lose mentality.

OTOH, Kubiak wasn't physically present for some of Keenum's practices and games, so I could just be seeing things...
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Protecting the football is a big part of what makes QBs good in this league. Alex Smith & Matt Schaub were able to fool a lot of people because of it. You won't find a coach in this league that doesn't stress ball security.

That said, some guys, like Farve, are confident enough to continue to take those chances & good enough to make more big plays than negative plays. We're know where Schaub is on that scale, 'bout to find out where Case is. So far, not looking very good.
 
thunderkyss said:
This will be the first time he's played a team for the second time. He didn't do very well the last time we played these guys. Fingers crossed that he does something atypical to what we've seen (last week lit a glimmer).



:tinfoil:



Protecting the football is a big part of what makes QBs good in this league. Alex Smith & Matt Schaub were able to fool a lot of people because of it. You won't find a coach in this league that doesn't stress ball security.

That said, some guys, like Farve, are confident enough to continue to take those chances & good enough to make more big plays than negative plays. We're know where Schaub is on that scale, 'bout to find out where Case is. So far, not looking very good.
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HAHA what i mean is Kubiak is trying to make him stop scrambling outside the pocket, that is not keenums game. Hell i only remember one bootleg last game against the pats, i mean come on.
 
i have been scoring every play keenum has been involved in so far with the jags game.
every play will be assigned a point to either good bad or average.
at Half time case is:
Good : 8
Bad : 3
Average : 11
 
aussie_texan said:
i have been scoring every play keenum has been involved in so far with the jags game.
every play will be assigned a point to either good bad or average.
at Half time case is:
Good : 8
Bad : 3
Average : 11
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There were some throws that if its accurate,players would still be running.
 
not that it means anything now but keenum finished with:

Good : 11
Bad : 3
Average : 15

i tracked schuab as well for argument sake and it was

Good : 10
Bad : 3
Average : 17
 
If u think or thought your 3rd string qb was the answer.....you probably dont have a qb to begin with....

Mr. Bridgewater let me be the first to welcome you to houston!
 
Case is done.

I want either Bridgewater with the first or O-line help and Murray in the second. Maybe snatch Mettenberger later due to injury.
 
Linca said:
Do you honestly think a 1st rounder can outplay Schaub, Yates and Keenum?
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they could perform at a similar level but have the potential to develop. i don't think anyone expects to get a first rounder and go straight to the super bowl.
with a new QB next year and hopefully a new coaching staff i would expect at minimum 8 wins next year just based off the talent we have
 
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