Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?

[WolverineFan]

And if Manziel's defense could stop a nose bleed we'd be talking differently, but they can't.

Manziel played like crap today. Let's not put this one on the defense. They started the game with 3 straight stops and A&M had 1 first down in response. Yea they aren't very good, but the A&M offense was just as bad today.

This is the problem I was talking about with Manziel. Keep him in the pocket and you get a 16/41 performance with a couple of turnovers. Sure he scrambled around a bit and got some yards, but for most of the game LSU kept him contained in the pocket and he reverted to his chuck and pray throws.

 

[bhsman]

I was referring to the Alabama game above, not today's game. I was cheering for the Tiger's as a student but Manziel was not getting help from his receivers, and on Mike Evans' touchdown-that-wasn't, Robinson was committing some blatant DPI that wasn't called.

I mean, the Tiger's got a win, but your strategy to beat him is more or less what everyone tries. LSU (or Chavis, really) has a better idea of how to accomplish it.

 

[WolverineFan]

I was referring to the Alabama game above, not today's game. I was cheering for the Tiger's as a student but Manziel was not getting help from his receivers, and on Mike Evans' touchdown-that-wasn't, Robinson was committing some blatant DPI that wasn't called.

I mean, the Tiger's got a win, but your strategy to beat him is more or less what everyone tries. LSU (or Chavis, really) has a better idea of how to accomplish it.

My bad.

As for LSU and how to beat him. They play a particular style of defense that is death for offenses like A&M, Oregon, etc. They have the athletes to man up downfield, but also have the athletes to get pressure with 4-5.

IMO, that's what it's going to look like when Manziel is playing in the league. Not too that extreme for the most part, but that's how NFL teams will play him.

 

[bhsman]

Meh, it's not like he hasn't played teams like that. Maybe it's some of our voodoo magic.

Honestly our defense has been really bad at getting pressure all year, but we also play up to competition and seem to play proportionally to how riled up Tiger Stadium is. The place was LOUD today. There were several times where, as the Aggies were driving down away from the student section that I noticed Mike Evans screaming at Manziel and trying to get the play.

I haven't even given my most important piece of information yet. Just need to upload my iPhone photos...

 

[Texian]

After today's game the chances of the Texans drafting a QB with their first draft pick has become the odds on favorite.

 

[leebigeztx]

Teddy Bridgewater here we come!

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Can somebody post me that Johnny Manziel photo wearing a Texans jersey? I kind of hope he falls to us in the second round, or maybe we can trade up with our second round pick and still snag him late in the first round. I'd rather use our potential first overall pick to trade down for a King's Ransom offer or just take an elite defensive player. Not sure I'm sold on Teddy Bridgewater being a franchise guy.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

After today's game the chances of the Texans drafting a QB with their first draft pick has become the odds on favorite.

Oh definitely, but with a first overall pick? I think not...
Either round two or trade back up into the first round.
After that LSU game I'm confident Manziel's stock is falling.
16-for-41 passing with 1 TD and 2 INTs. He may fall to the second round right into our hands.

 

[Texian]

Oh definitely, but with a first overall pick? I think not...
Either round two or trade back up into the first round.
After that LSU game I'm confident Manziel's stock is falling.
16-for-41 passing with 1 TD and 2 INTs. He may fall to the second round right into our hands.

1 bad game vs 24 very good or great games is not going to alter his draft stock/position as much as you think it will.

 

[mussop]

1 bad game vs 24 very good or great games is not going to alter his draft stock/position as much as you think it will.

No it won't. And I'm not making excuses for him but there were a lot of dropped balls and mental mistakes made at bad times in that game by his teammates.

 

[WolverineFan]

1 bad game vs 24 very good or great games is not going to alter his draft stock/position as much as you think it will.

2 years of bad tape against LSU means quite a bit though.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

1 bad game vs 24 very good or great games is not going to alter his draft stock/position as much as you think it will.

I can dream can't I? I want him to fall into our laps somehow without having to use our likely first overall pick on him.

 

[bhsman]

1 bad game vs 24 very good or great games is not going to alter his draft stock/position as much as you think it will.

It might make it easier to trade down if the coaching staff (whomever that might) decides that:

A) He's the guy
B) He'll be where we can get him

If his play declines more and it becomes obvious during the Mizzou/bowl game, he could slip a bit to where the team could feel comfortable trading down.

One person whose stock seems to have risen a bit is Mettenberger; again, depending on the coaching staff at the time, I could see him picked up in the late first/early second if we feel like trading up.

 

[Rey]

Bridgewater. I thought case was ok, but if we end up with the first pick like I think we will, I'm going bridgewater.

 

[leebigeztx]

I never thought it would happen but I'm glad it happened this yr. To get a true franchise caliber qb is great.no more backups,no more trying to adjust the game plan because the qb can't make certain throws. Get bridgewater and fix everything else with the rest of the draft.

 

[VTexan]

BPA. if QB is BPA then so be it. we have so many holes everywhere. and by the looks it, from a person who watches very little of CFB, it seems that you could very well strike gold with a QB in the drafted both inside and outside the 1st .

 

[Mr teX]

I'd be fine with Bridgewater, Matthews or Clowney......

 

[The1ApplePie]

QB or pass rusher. The two most important positions on the field, and the Texans have neither.

 

[Mr teX]

QB or pass rusher. The two most important positions on the field, and the Texans have neither.

Justin James Watt disagrees with this post.

 

[Texian]

After trading back with Cleveland the Texans now have (2) 1st Rd picks, for now let's say #10 and #21.

With their first pick in the NFL Draft The Houston Texans take Blake Bortles, QB Central Florida, 6'4" 230 lbs.

and with their 2nd pick in the 1st RD #21 The Houston Texans take Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa 6'5" 310 lbs.

This will be in my new mock after the season and pre bowl season.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

After trading back with Cleveland the Texans now have (2) 1st Rd picks, for now let's say #10 and #21.

With their first pick in the NFL Draft The Houston Texans take Blake Bartles, QB Central Florida, 6'4" 230 lbs.

and with their 2nd pick in the 1st RD #21 The Houston Texans take Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa 6'5" 310 lbs.

This will be in my new mock after the season and pre bowl season.

If they take Bartles then they need to get JuWaun James .

 

[Texian]

If they take Bartles then they need to get JuWaun James .

Scherff is projected to be a late 1st Rd and can also play LT. (the old what if Duane Brown gets inj). James is projected to go in Rds 3-4 and is a RT only.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Scherff is projected to be a late 1st Rd and can also play LT. (the old what if Duane Brown gets inj). James is projected to go in Rds 3-4 and is a RT only.

Blake Bartles and JuWaun James goes well together .

How bout Dee Ford and Derek Carr ?

what about ... Silas Redd and Alfred Blue ?

 

[Texian]

Blake Bartles and JuWaun James goes well together .

How bout Dee Ford and Derek Carr ?

what about ... Silas Redd and Alfred Blue ?

My bad on a couple of fronts, I'm a little slow this evening. First it's Bortles and NOT Bartles. Maybe that why I didn't get your connection. You're right if it had been Bartles, James would've been ideal pick.

You're on a roll this evening keep it going. Apparently I'm on a biscuit. (that's the best I got)

 

[badboy]

I never thought it would happen but I'm glad it happened this yr. To get a true franchise caliber qb is great.no more backups,no more trying to adjust the game plan because the qb can't make certain throws. Get bridgewater and fix everything else with the rest of the draft.

Remember all the squalling when Colts lost Manning only to draft Luck? Here we lose Schaub and possibly land a great QB in draft..

 

[Texian]

After week 12 the Houston Texans have the 2nd pick in the 2014 NFL Draft:

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

 

[leebigeztx]

After week 12 the Houston Texans have the 2nd pick in the 2014 NFL Draft:

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

Don't worry,by the end of season, texans will be 2-14 with the worse record in football.

 

[mussop]

2 years of bad tape against LSU means quite a bit though.

Did you watch either of those games?

 

[WolverineFan]

Did you watch either of those games?

Yes I did. Last year doesn't mean as much because he was a freshman. This year will be somewhat of an indictment for those who are not fans of him. There were drops and the guys up front didn't play all that well (Matthews had a pretty bad game, at least for him). But that doesn't change the fact that LSU wrote the book on Manziel.

Press his WR's at the line and get pressure with a talented front four, but stay in your rush lanes and keep him in the pocket. Too many times in that game he had a nice pocket to step into and he bugged out and tried to do his thing instead of hanging in there.

On any given play, he can hang in the pocket and make a great throw. But if you keep him contained to the pocket on every play, he's going to struggle. Especially if you have great athletes on your defense and can matchup downfield. What LSU did to Manziel this past weekend is exactly how NFL teams are going to attack him.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Yes I did. Last year doesn't mean as much because he was a freshman. This year will be somewhat of an indictment for those who are not fans of him. There were drops and the guys up front didn't play all that well (Matthews had a pretty bad game, at least for him). But that doesn't change the fact that LSU wrote the book on Manziel.

Press his WR's at the line and get pressure with a talented front four, but stay in your rush lanes and keep him in the pocket. Too many times in that game he had a nice pocket to step into and he bugged out and tried to do his thing instead of hanging in there.

On any given play, he can hang in the pocket and make a great throw. But if you keep him contained to the pocket on every play, he's going to struggle. Especially if you have great athletes on your defense and can matchup downfield. What LSU did to Manziel this past weekend is exactly how NFL teams are going to attack him.

If JF can't make it as a QB , I think he would be a great slot reciever .

 

[Mr teX]

If JF can't make it as a QB , I think he would be a great slot reciever .

How can you say this without any idea about his hands?

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

How can you say this without any idea about his hands?

I guess I just type it .

 

[bhsman]

A&M's gameplan was just kinda...weird. They only had 6 runs on the day and abandoned it pretty early, even before things got out of hand.

And I'm an LSU fan, before any of you start frothing at the mouth.

 

[htownfan32]

A&M's gameplan was just kinda...weird. They only had 6 runs on the day and abandoned it pretty early, even before things got out of hand.

And I'm an LSU fan, before any of you start frothing at the mouth.

I was cursing Clarence McKinney a million different ways on Saturday over this, believe me.

We have a damn good running back in Trey Williams. I don't understand why we didn't use him at all.

 

[bOODRO87]

I've seen Manziel throw it across it body and up for grabs enough for me to not want to take a chance on him. 100% on board for Bridgewater if we get the 1st pick. OL or ILB at the 33rd pick.

 

[steelbtexan]

I never thought it would happen but I'm glad it happened this yr. To get a true franchise caliber qb is great.no more backups,no more trying to adjust the game plan because the qb can't make certain throws. Get bridgewater and fix everything else with the rest of the draft.

They tried this with David Carr. How did that work out?

Either pick Clowney or trade down for more picks.

What makes Bridgewater so different from Derek Carr? In fact Carr is just as mobile, probably has a stronger arm, has played against a similar level of competition and put up better numbers than Bridgewater.

Give me after a trade down Erving/Nix with my 2 1st rd picks from the Browns and McCarron/Mettenberger with 2/1. Or take Murray in the 4/5th. Fix the OL/DL 1st, after 2 rebuilds hopefully the Texans have learned something that some fans haven't learned yet.

Mettenberger has Flacco/Ben's skill set and they've won multiple SB's because of the talent around them. BoB said that he wants to build a team like the Steelers. This is his chance after 3 tries.

Yes I know Nix had MCL surgery and Murray had ACL surgery.

 

[msbbc833]

No way the Browns give up both their 1sts for our first

 

[badboy]

No way the Browns give up both their 1sts for our first

This is what I thought at first but Cleveland desperately needs a franchise QB so maybe. ESPN Rang and Brugler have Carr going to them at 8 and I just cannot see a team taking a chance like that so high in draft. Maybe I am just a burnt Texans fan who goes into convulsions when I hear Carr..whoops there I go again.

Their second pick from Colts should be around #25 ish will not bring them a top flight WR or CB or at least not one better than #40 could bring in second say WR Jordan Matthews or CB. Personally, I'd go WR second round and then CB in one of the two thirds. I think Brown need that name QB worst than Houston.

 

[Texian]

No way the Browns give up both their 1sts for our first

Here is what Washington gave up to move from #6 to #2.

For the 2nd pick in the draft Washington gave St Louis:

Skins #6 pick in the 2012 draft
Skins 1st Rd and 2nd Rd picks in the 2013 draft
Skins 1st Rd pick in the 2014 draft.

Here is what the Giants gave up to move from #5 to #1 to get Eli:

For the 1st pick in the draft New York Giants gave San Diego:

Giants #5 pick in the 04 draft
Giants 3rd RD pick in the 04 draft
Giants 1st Rd and 5th Rd picks in the 05 draft.

If the Browns want to move up to get their Franchise QB it will cost them both of their 1st Rd picks in 2014 and a lot more (their 1st RD in 2015). Remember it was the Browns who lost out to Washington in the BID for RGIII. Odds are they won't miss twice.

 

[Rey]

Tons of good qb's in this draft. If us and the browns need franchise qb's why are we ok picking one of the other guys, but they wouldn't be?

Why are they moving up for a guy, but we aren't taking them?

 

[Texian]

Tons of good qb's in this draft. If us and the browns need franchise qb's why are we ok picking one of the other guys, but they wouldn't be?

Why are they moving up for a guy, but we aren't taking them?

One team's evaluation is different from the other. there are 32 teams with 32 different looking draft boards. You say there are tons of good QBs in this draft and yet I think there is really only 2-3 QBs with 1st Rd value.

People say Mariota is Top 10 1st Rd and yet I see Joey Harrington/Seneca Wallace

People say Hundley is a 1st Rd QB and yet I see Josh Freeman

People say Teddy Bridgewater is Top 10 1st Rd QB and yet I see Geno Smith

People say Johnny Manziel is Top 10 1st RD QB and yet I see Russell Wilson.

Would you take Joey Harrington, Seneca Wallace, Josh Freeman, Geno Smith or Russell Wilson in the 1st RD?

 

[bhsman]

I haven't done much tape on Bridgewater, but I was watching the Browns D on NFL rewind (as part of my growing obsession with Ray Horton) and couldn't help but be reminded of Bridgewater as I saw Jason Campbell play, though that could be a mistake on my part.

The only thing that concerns me with Bridgewater is that his short passes seem to be thrown very...softly. Like they are slow to arrive. That may just be his touch showing but I can't help but see an aggressive DB taking advantage of that.

 

[Rey]

One team's evaluation is different from the other. there are 32 teams with 32 different looking draft boards. You say there are tons of good QBs in this draft and yet I think there is really only 2-3 QBs with 1st Rd value.

People say Mariota is Top 10 1st Rd and yet I see Joey Harrington/Seneca Wallace

People say Hundley is a 1st Rd QB and yet I see Josh Freeman

People say Teddy Bridgewater is Top 10 1st Rd QB and yet I see Geno Smith

People say Johnny Manziel is Top 10 1st RD QB and yet I see Russell Wilson.

Would you take Joey Harrington, Seneca Wallace, Josh Freeman, Geno Smith or Russell Wilson in the 1st RD?

Yes I would take Russell Wilson in the first round.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

One team's evaluation is different from the other. there are 32 teams with 32 different looking draft boards. You say there are tons of good QBs in this draft and yet I think there is really only 2-3 QBs with 1st Rd value.

People say Mariota is Top 10 1st Rd and yet I see Joey Harrington/Seneca Wallace

People say Hundley is a 1st Rd QB and yet I see Josh Freeman

People say Teddy Bridgewater is Top 10 1st Rd QB and yet I see Geno Smith

People say Johnny Manziel is Top 10 1st RD QB and yet I see Russell Wilson.

Would you take Joey Harrington, Seneca Wallace, Josh Freeman, Geno Smith or Russell Wilson in the 1st RD?

I think the Senior Bowl is a decent barometer on their play . The bad news is they're not seniors .

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Tons of good qb's in this draft. If us and the browns need franchise qb's why are we ok picking one of the other guys, but they wouldn't be?

Why are they moving up for a guy, but we aren't taking them?

Yep ... if Teddy ends up being the real deal , it's like drafting Travis Johnson instead of Aaron Rogers all over again . Of course we did have DC

A Teddy interview .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaCmCXBNpJE

 

[amazing80]

One team's evaluation is different from the other. there are 32 teams with 32 different looking draft boards. You say there are tons of good QBs in this draft and yet I think there is really only 2-3 QBs with 1st Rd value.

People say Mariota is Top 10 1st Rd and yet I see Joey Harrington/Seneca Wallace

People say Hundley is a 1st Rd QB and yet I see Josh Freeman

People say Teddy Bridgewater is Top 10 1st Rd QB and yet I see Geno Smith

People say Johnny Manziel is Top 10 1st RD QB and yet I see Russell Wilson.

Would you take Joey Harrington, Seneca Wallace, Josh Freeman, Geno Smith or Russell Wilson in the 1st RD?

you have a terrible eye for talent, stick to your day job

 

[Texian]

you have a terrible eye for talent, stick to your day job

We will see....when I was young I too often overreacted and thought many players were going to be much better than they were. I have learned that most players are not going to be what you want them to be or hope them to be. One or two maybe, every year probably not.

 

[Rey]

One team's evaluation is different from the other. there are 32 teams with 32 different looking draft boards. You say there are tons of good QBs in this draft and yet I think there is really only 2-3 QBs with 1st Rd value.

People say Mariota is Top 10 1st Rd and yet I see Joey Harrington/Seneca Wallace

People say Hundley is a 1st Rd QB and yet I see Josh Freeman

People say Teddy Bridgewater is Top 10 1st Rd QB and yet I see Geno Smith

People say Johnny Manziel is Top 10 1st RD QB and yet I see Russell Wilson.

Would you take Joey Harrington, Seneca Wallace, Josh Freeman, Geno Smith or Russell Wilson in the 1st RD?

Would require both teams to think the way you have designed for them to think.

Lots of variables. We'll see.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

We will see....when I was young I too often overreacted and thought many players were going to be much better than they were. I have learned that most players are not going to be what you want them to be or hope them to be. One or two maybe, every year probably not.

If you hit 40% of your draft you've done well .

KC picked 1st overall last year and their not so happy with Fisher . Joeckel is out for the year and the Dolphins guy can't stay on the field . It's a crap shoot that gets revealed 3 years down the road .

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

We will see....when I was young I too often overreacted and thought many players were going to be much better than they were. I have learned that most players are not going to be what you want them to be or hope them to be. One or two maybe, every year probably not.

Wow ... and Johnny wasn't even around then .