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Ben Tate Says We're "wishy-washy"

chicagotexan2 said:
I'd say stupid fans are the ones that blindly (not loyally) cheer and accept whatever garbage is put on the field. Stupid fans are those that cheer and don't show any form of discontent when the incompetant HC replaces a player that shows some promise with one that has shown everyone that he is unable to lead a team to victory, one that wilts in the face of pressure, one that gives the team absolutely no chance to get a positive play when the play breaks down. It's not Schaubs fault that he played on Sunday. It's kubiaks fault for being a lousy HC that is determined to trot his boy out there. The fans on Sunday let Kubiak know that and Matt Schaub proved the bolded.
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If Tate picks up one yard, that move looks great. No harm done regarding keenums development and it almost kept this disaster of a team in the hunt for the wild card. So much to complain about this year... Why that? I think fans are upset with the move for two reasons, neither which are valid critiques:

1- fans believed it was a permanent move.
2- fans hate schaub and took the move as a personal insult.

The truth is that Kubiak recognizes schaub is not the answer. He
Likes keenum and sees what we see with the energy and big play ability. He was just trying to win the game and thought schaub's experience and ability to help the offensive line with blitz pickup gave the team a better shot. Agree or not, that is all that happened.
 
dalemurphy said:
If Tate picks up one yard, that move looks great. No harm done regarding keenums development and it almost kept this disaster of a team in the hunt for the wild card. So much to complain about this year... Why that? I think fans are upset with the move for two reasons, neither which are valid critiques:

1- fans believed it was a permanent move.
2- fans hate schaub and took the move as a personal insult.

The truth is that Kubiak recognizes schaub is not the answer. He
Likes keenum and sees what we see with the energy and big play ability. He was just trying to win the game and thought schaub's experience and ability to help the offensive line with blitz pickup gave the team a better shot. Agree or not, that is all that happened.
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There is no other way to simulate these situations other than let keenum play it out. Sink or swim it doesn't matter since the season is dead in regards to making the playoffs. You gain nothing from putting Schaub in there when he's proven that he is no longer a good quarterback. Scaub is good at moving tge ball he is not good at getting touchdowns. I take that back. He is not good at avoiding critical mistakes that lead to defensive scoring touchdowns.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
There is no other way to simulate these situations other than let keenum play it out. Sink or swim it doesn't matter since the season is dead in regards to making the playoffs. You gain nothing from putting Schaub in there when he's proven that he is no longer a good quarterback. Scaub is good at moving tge ball he is not good at getting touchdowns. I take that back. He is not good at avoiding critical mistakes that lead to defensive scoring touchdowns.
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Almost gained a win, which is what I want the coach to be focused on. As I posted elsewhere, the gutsiest and best decision to win that game was exactly what Kubiak did- but, when the team reached the redzone- to reinsert Keenum. Who knows what kind of havoc that would've caused, but Schaub between the 20s in that 4th quarter and Keenum in the redzone would've won that game Sunday.
 
dalemurphy said:
If Tate picks up one yard, that move looks great. No harm done regarding keenums development and it almost kept this disaster of a team in the hunt for the wild card. So much to complain about this year... Why that? I think fans are upset with the move for two reasons, neither which are valid critiques:

1- fans believed it was a permanent move.
2- fans hate schaub and took the move as a personal insult.

The truth is that Kubiak recognizes schaub is not the answer. He
Likes keenum and sees what we see with the energy and big play ability. He was just trying to win the game and thought schaub's experience and ability to help the offensive line with blitz pickup gave the team a better shot. Agree or not, that is all that happened.
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8 years of rationalizing Kubiak's ineptitude isn't enough? How do you continually defend his problems year after year with a straight face after this long? Are you guys related by blood or something?
 
Can't believe this has gone on this long all over boo'ing. Kind of silly. I'll just post the same thing I did on Tate's facebook when he spoke about it with the most recent quote:

These comments are a stretch. Fans who boo'd aren't real fans? An article came out that said Houston fans except being mediocore. Now they expect more they aren't real fans? Which is it? The organization sells out every game. It is a top five profitable organization in the league. That means fans pour money, energy and time. They have a team with loads of talent (Tate included) and watch it lose to inferior teams. It has been on the downslide since the fourth quarter of last season and regressed more. That isn't 'turned things around' But fans should be happy? What mythical fanbase is happy after so much losing/regression? Did I boo? No, I was at home watching and wouldn't have if there. But I can quite understand the frustration fans feel. I'm numb to it after years of being a Texan/Oiler fan.
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And someone said they want perspective...well that is perspective. Because our owner spends money shouldn't just make fans accept a medicore product or worse. It isn't displaying a positive result which is the problem. If the regression that has taken place since the bottom quarter last year isn't visible then someone is the type of person that believes in unicorns farting rainbows.

There is a problem and an issue and fans are simply frustrated and rightfully so. They have very few ways to express this frustration so let's stop being shocked and awed when they do so with just some freaking boo'ing. And let's stop acting like this has to do with Houston. Every single sport city has the same thing. Bengals just got boo'd and they are actually leading their divsion. Eagles as well. Falcons have been boo'd this year and so on. Chiefs fans were last year and cheered Cassel's injury. So stop with the 'Oh Houston fans are the worse!'

Can't handle it then try golf or tennis. No boo'ing there.
 
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Texecutioner said:
8 years of rationalizing Kubiak's ineptitude isn't enough? How do you continually defend his problems year after year with a straight face after this long? Are you guys related by blood or something?
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Nothing to rationalize in '06 or '07... He did a lot with very little and moved the organization away from a dark place.

Also, I actually had the pink soap after the Chris Brown interception in 2008?... And, in 2010, I was not opposed to Kubiak being fired.

I have not attempted to defend him regarding the dramatic under-performance of this year's team, nor did I defend his coaching late last season, when it was clear that his lack of imagination and ability to adjust (as well as Wade's), essentially made the playoff loss in New England, a foregone conclusion.

However, yes, I will defend him from accusations of consipiracy... that he is messing with Keenum and the football team's chances, in order to reinstate his "friend", Matt Schaub, as the starting QB... That is a bizarre, indefensible claim that so many of you seem eager to believe.

I am reacting to the demonizing of someone that I respect. I have posted plenty of problems that I see regarding the team and his coaching of it. I have agreed with a number of posters that have made criticisms of him. However, all of the hyperbole about he's the "dumbest coach in NFL history", does tend to bring me out of the woodwork in his defense- because that is ridiculous.
 
htowntexans1985 said:
Welp. Round 3. Texans vs. Fans.
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Was just about to post this.

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"We want smart fans in the building," Daniels said. "We want people who are going to be quiet when we’re on offense and loud when we’re on defense. I’ve been in a lot of other buildings in this league and seen a lot of other smart groups of fans where you can hear a pin drop on offense, when their team’s offense is out there, no matter what the situation is. We had to go to a silent cadence at home when Matt went in the game because the fans were cheering and/or booing. To show their support and show their displeasure. They couldn’t really swallow their pride at a time when we were out there trying to work.

"They paid the money to show their emotions and their opinions on what’s going on during the game, but it wasn’t about them at that point. We’re still out there trying to win a football game which we very well were capable of doing. We just want them to be on the team’s side. I think they were showing their opinion about one player on the field when it’s always about more than one player. It’s always about the team."
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I agree with OD we have some dumb fans


but one of the main problems is everytime we get a FIrst down what happens over the broadcast


"AND THATS GOOD FOR A HOUSTON TEXANNNSSS" ........... "FIRST DOWN"

and everyone cheers and DOes that dumb POint thing

and that makes noise Positive or negative

so yeah until they stop doing that things wont change cuz soe of our fans are so gullible LOL thinking that afirst down really means anything esp with this team

I haven't been to many Other Stadiums but I have been to Tenn and New Orleans and they do the same thing and it can gets no louder then us on offensive

I don't think we are really any different then the other big city teams NY Philly ATL San fran Dallas


He wants us to be like INDY LOL were that's not going to happen LOL
 
Dutchrudder said:
Eh, it's not like Tate or OD will be on this team next year, so whatever.
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Having been in Houston for all my 50 years , I can recall some things . I have listened to Oiler games on the radio in the early 70's ... why ... because they couldn't sell out . Earl Campbell used to work the Skoal display inside the Astro Arena at the rodeo . I didn't hear about it I saw Earl and got me a Skoal Bandit sample . I worked at a grocery store in high school where the manager played the Oiler games over the loud speaker for the costumers and employees to hear , this was the Luv Ya Blue days .

These Luv Ya Blue days is what JJ Watt wants and he can get it because we love a winner . We're not like some fans who want to go just to get abuse , we want badly to have a badass team that plays tough physical football ( well as tough as the NFL lets you these days ) and wins . You get your best player hurt and lose your QB and still win a playoff game on the road , we're behind you 150% . That's what gets you a full stadium after you lose a AFC chamionship game . That JJ Watt is how you become a legend in Houston . :swatter:
 
dalemurphy said:
Almost gained a win, which is what I want the coach to be focused on. As I posted elsewhere, the gutsiest and best decision to win that game was exactly what Kubiak did- but, when the team reached the redzone- to reinsert Keenum. Who knows what kind of havoc that would've caused, but Schaub between the 20s in that 4th quarter and Keenum in the redzone would've won that game Sunday.
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I thought the same thing about putting Keenum back in when the team was in the red zone.

The two QB concept died with Tom Landry. He gave it a good try in the '70's, iirc, but it never quite worked out.

eriadoc said:
I'd buy that in some cases, but your posts actually require more effort to reach over and hit the Shift key a few extra times. Nah, I'm going with illiterate.
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I do not have anyone on ignore, but my brain does have a tendency to regularly ignore some posters.
 
Texecutioner said:
8 years of rationalizing Kubiak's ineptitude isn't enough? How do you continually defend his problems year after year with a straight face after this long? Are you guys related by blood or something?
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i agree, ive never seen a bigger apologist/blind supporter of a terrible head coach in my life....ill bet money he knows/is related to kubes...no other explanation
 
Charlie made a good point about how some players are quick to call out fans, but you'll never hear them call out anybody making actual decisions or anyone that actually affects the outcome of the games.

Was Andre Johnson walking off the field essentially booing what was going on? Isn't that a players version of going "booooo!"...?????

Any of them going to call out Andre and tell him show support through thick and thin?

Anyone call out the people actually...you know...contributing to losing games?

Sounds like some posters here.

It's not the texans way. But it's ok, call out the fans all you want.
 
Anybody that wants to work for the public needs to realize they chose their own path. Sports, acting, politics, whatever, some folks are gonna boo you and some cheer you. Deal with it or get another job.

Jezzzz. Fricking crybaby rich millionaire sports players piss me off. And we're the ones that need to grow up. LOL
 
Are people really THAT upset by booing? C'mon, that's ridiculous. Next thing you know they will tell us to stop throwing ice at them and threatening their kids. Buncha crybabies.
 
Rey said:
Charlie made a good point about how some players are quick to call out fans, but you'll never hear them call out anybody making actual decisions or anyone that actually affects the outcome of the games.

Was Andre Johnson walking off the field essentially booing what was going on? Isn't that a players version of going "booooo!"...?????

Any of them going to call out Andre and tell him show support through thick and thin?

Anyone call out the people actually...you know...contributing to losing games?

Sounds like some posters here.

It's not the texans way. But it's ok, call out the fans all you want.
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geez.. this is so true. calling out the fans is low hanging fruit.

i am sure they are as upset as the fans. no one is happy. crazy crazy year.

Make us happy, Bender!!!!! :bender::bender::bender::bender:
 
Dutchrudder said:
Are people really THAT upset by booing? C'mon, that's ridiculous. Next thing you know they will tell us to stop throwing ice at them and threatening their kids. Buncha crybabies.
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that shows Passion 2 do that so IDK


Someone like me I was at the game I was silent not caring most of the time that shows .......... I don't have has much passion has some other fans because I have become Null
 
New comments by Tate:

Two days after Sunday’s 28-23 loss to the Oakland Raiders, Ben Tate clarified his post-game comments about “wishy-washy” fans. Tate was referring to a number of fans at Reliant Stadium who expressed their displeasure over the change at quarterback late in the game.

“Do we try to go out and win every week? Yeah, but booing is not going to help us win especially when you’re in our house and we are in our own place,” Tate said on the Verizon Players show on Texans Radio. “It’s so loud. We can’t hear the cadence. We’ve got guys jumping offsides in the red zone because some of the reasons why are that they can’t hear the cadence.”

In the fourth quarter, the fan reaction was loud enough to force the Texans’ offense to switch to a silent count. The noise level may have been the reason for two false start penalties by Brandon Brooks inside the red zone.

“I’m not saying it’s the fan’s fault that we lost the game at all,” Tate said. “We still have got to play the game. We lost because we didn’t get the job done.”

Tate maintains that his comments were not directed at the entire fan base
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Funny how flawlessly Case ran the silent cadence through the eardrum bursting Chiefs game.:kitten:
 
Such a depressing thread this turned into with a ton of tldr's, diatribes and Jerry McGuire manifestos.

What ive gathered: Tate is the devil, Case is a savior and the one that hurts me the most... Nobody will be buying Texans Tackle Crackle anytime soon.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Such a depressing thread this turned into with a ton of tldr's, diatribes and Jerry McGuire manifestos.

What ive gathered: Tate is the devil, Case is a savior and the one that hurts me the most... Nobody will be buying Texans Tackle Crackle anytime soon.
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Lets just all get behind Matt Schaub. The lousy play and interceptions for touchdowns were an anomaly. Since booing is hurting the teams feelings lets all hold hands and sing we are the world so we can turn this frown upside down.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Lets just all get behind Matt Schaub. The lousy play and interceptions for touchdowns were an anomaly. Since booing is hurting the teams feelings lets all hold hands and sing we are the world so we can turn this frown upside down.
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Kleenex and valium. Shhhh don't tell anyone. The sun will still rise tomorrow! Sucks that you can't take a game for what it is. Feel sorry for ya.
 
They're not upset that they're being booed. They're upset that fans are booing while they're on offense and it hinders their ability to conduct the offense well. It's not like they're doing so hot on offense to begin with so to make it more difficult is what they're taking exception to. Not that hard to understand.

Fans are free to boo and cheer as they wish, obviously, but booing while the team is on offense is a dumb thing to do.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
They're not upset that they're being booed. They're upset that fans are booing while they're on offense and it hinders their ability to conduct the offense well. It's not like they're doing so hot on offense to begin with so to make it more difficult is what they're taking exception to. Not that hard to understand.

Fans are free to boo and cheer as they wish, obviously, but booing while the team is on offense is a dumb thing to do.
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The only thing harder to overcome than the home crowd booing the offense is being led by a QB with a propensity to eff up the offense. Booing a sorry decision to play a terrible QB is not dumb especially since the outcome is very likely to be another loss.
 
Thorn said:
Anybody that wants to work for the public needs to realize they chose their own path. Sports, acting, politics, whatever, some folks are gonna boo you and some cheer you. Deal with it or get another job.

Jezzzz. Fricking crybaby rich millionaire sports players piss me off. And we're the ones that need to grow up. LOL
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Yes, you are the crybaby. I did not read anything other than Tate expressing his opinion of the fans at the game. What is the problem with that? The man gave his opinion, responding to a question he was asked. He's a football player in his mid 20s(not exactly a rocket scientist). Who cares if he expressed displeasure about the team (actually his teammate) being booed by the fans? Of course he didn't like it and of course he made a judgment about those that engaged in it. He is a human. Don't you see the irony? I thought fans wanted players to be candid and honest.. Oh, I guess that's only if they say something the fans want to hear.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
The only thing harder to overcome than the home crowd booing the offense is being led by a QB with a propensity to eff up the offense. Booing a sorry decision to play a terrible QB is not dumb especially since the outcome is very likely to be another loss.
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Ironic, though, that the same fans who assert that the only thing that matters as fans is that their team wins are the same ones engaging in (or defending) an action that made winning less likely. Booing the offense in the fourth quarter when the game is still undecided defeats the very thing that is supposedly so important to you.
 
I left after the third but was the booing really that loud LOL ..??????


to me these past few games the crowd has been pretty dead Offensive and defense

forget about getting like SUPER LOUD on DEF it seems like people don't even care anymore I don't blame them for a 2-8 team

but it didn't seem to loud to me IDK maybe its different on the field

the players must be pretty deaf if they cant hear anything while in the huddle or line
 
dalemurphy said:
Ironic, though, that the same fans who assert that the only thing that matters as fans is that their team wins are the same ones engaging in (or defending) an action that made winning less likely. Booing the offense in the fourth quarter when the game is still undecided defeats the very thing that is supposedly so important to you.
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You can't talk sense to a lynch mob.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Such a depressing thread this turned into with a ton of tldr's, diatribes and Jerry McGuire manifestos.

What ive gathered: Tate is the devil, Case is a savior and the one that hurts me the most... Nobody will be buying Texans Tackle Crackle anytime soon.
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Wow, such stunning insight. You should look into a career as an analyst.

Uncle Rico said:
Kleenex and valium. Shhhh don't tell anyone. The sun will still rise tomorrow! Sucks that you can't take a game for what it is. Feel sorry for ya.
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Since you obviously haven't noticed, you're on a team FAN board. Might want to get your context right.

TheMatrix31 said:
They're not upset that they're being booed. They're upset that fans are booing while they're on offense and it hinders their ability to conduct the offense well. It's not like they're doing so hot on offense to begin with so to make it more difficult is what they're taking exception to. Not that hard to understand.

Fans are free to boo and cheer as they wish, obviously, but booing while the team is on offense is a dumb thing to do.
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In a vacuum, you'd be right. (Granted this team is sucking so hard right now it FEELS like a vacuum)

dalemurphy said:
Yes, you are the crybaby. I did not read anything other than Tate expressing his opinion of the fans at the game. What is the problem with that? The man gave his opinion, responding to a question he was asked. He's a football player in his mid 20s(not exactly a rocket scientist). Who cares if he expressed displeasure about the team (actually his teammate) being booed by the fans? Of course he didn't like it and of course he made a judgment about those that engaged in it. He is a human. Don't you see the irony? I thought fans wanted players to be candid and honest.. Oh, I guess that's only if they say something the fans want to hear.
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Evidently Rico isn't the only one missing where he's posting.

dalemurphy said:
Ironic, though, that the same fans who assert that the only thing that matters as fans is that their team wins are the same ones engaging in (or defending) an action that made winning less likely. Booing the offense in the fourth quarter when the game is still undecided defeats the very thing that is supposedly so important to you.
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You're making the assumption that putting in Schaub makes a win likely at all.

Uncle Rico said:
You can't talk sense to a lynch mob.
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Nor to the obtuse either.
 
I'm totally onboard with booing the team if it means they lose more games. This team is a dumpster fire, and needs to continue burning to the ground. Nearly everyone in a position of authority deserves to lose their jobs, Rick Smith, Chris Olsen, Gary Kubiak, Wade Smith, Rick Dennison, Joe Marciano, Vance Joseph, John Benton and Karl Dorrell. The only people I would keep around for the next regime are Bill Kollar, Jeff Zygnonia and Brian Pariani.

So please, keep up the good work fans, the only thing that will right this ship is a full capsizing. Do what you can to help us lose to the Jags, and put us in position to dump the captain of this Titanic failure of a team.
 
Lol guy wants insight when this thread turned into a dick measuring contest between "real" fans and Koob loyalists.

Funny then someone tries to lighten the mood and dude gets more irate! Lol who's obtuse? If anyone is insensitive and slow to understand it sure isn't those that have the teams best interest in mind and not some mob mentality to serve their own interests, get off your high horse and lighten up. Good grief.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Lol guy wants insight when this thread turned into a dick measuring contest between "real" fans and Koob loyalists.

Funny then someone tries to lighten the mood and dude gets more irate! Lol who's obtuse? If anyone is insensitive and slow to understand it sure isn't those that have the teams best interest in mind and not some mob mentality to serve their own interests, get off your high horse and lighten up. Good grief.
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Lighten the mood or stoke the fire? I'm sticking with obtuse.
 
Riiiigght. Like the 'come hell or high water' sentiment will really create a positive change within the organization and fan base. SMH.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
They're not upset that they're being booed. They're upset that fans are booing while they're on offense and it hinders their ability to conduct the offense well. It's not like they're doing so hot on offense to begin with so to make it more difficult is what they're taking exception to. Not that hard to understand.

Fans are free to boo and cheer as they wish, obviously, but booing while the team is on offense is a dumb thing to do.
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So you want the fans to hold off booing until the offense leaves the field even though the reason they were booing was offensive related?

Maybe boo in between snaps?
 
Uncle Rico said:
Riiiigght. Like the 'come hell or high water' sentiment will really create a positive change within the organization and fan base. SMH.
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Kubiak went "all in" when he pulled a non-injured Keenum. It didn't pay off and all the whining and wailing by the players over a dumb decision getting booed is directly related.

Ultimately, the fan 'sentiment' is EXACTLY what gets Kubiak canned.

That's a positive change I can believe in.

:koolaid:
 
dalemurphy said:
Ironic, though, that the same fans who assert that the only thing that matters as fans is that their team wins are the same ones engaging in (or defending) an action that made winning less likely. Booing the offense in the fourth quarter when the game is still undecided defeats the very thing that is supposedly so important to you.
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There is nothing that makes winning less likely than putting Matt Schuab in at QB. That is an act that you are defending. You can say the outcome was still undecided, but the outcome when Schaub is in (this year more than any other) is bleak at best. Booing the offense did less to help lose the game than Schaub being unable to lead a TD drive when it mattered most. The last throw in the endzone was the triple coverage. Defend Schaub and Kubiaks decision to play him all you want. I've seen enough to know for sure that Schaub is not a good QB. Now I want to see if Keenum can get the job done so the team can prepare for next season.
 
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