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The double standard of the NFL

CloakNNNdagger said:
(1) When interior lineman of the offensive team (tackle to tackle) takes or simulates a three-point stance and then moves after taking that stance, the offensive team shall be penalized for a false start. The official must blow his whistle immediately.
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Centers tend to point at defensive players and turn their heads and such after they have placed their hand on the ball. Does anyone know why this is allowed, or am I missing something?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Whoever has the game taped (Barrett/DaleMurphy you may want to post this), look at Manning the the OL from 7:50-7:30 in the 1st Q..........only one example, but pretty dramatic.
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This is how I saw that play and on a few minutes later:

infantrycak said:
For an example - 7:48 in the 1st, 17 seconds on the play clock - everyone except maybe the RT already in a three point (editing didn't show true beginning), Manning in shotgun. At 14 seconds on the play clock Manning does his leg thing and sets. Then he walks forward and at 11 seconds Dallas Clark (who was in a three point) and the LT both stand up fully. The guards and centers lower their legs to the ground and Addai gets out of being set and walks forward. Subjectivity doesn't get you 6 seconds - Manning does.

Or another one - 3:54 in the 1st, 16 seconds on the play clock - everyone except Clark in 3 points and everyone set, Manning in shotgun. By 14 Clark is down as well. 11 seconds Manning pulls out and approaches the line. At 9 seconds the LT stands fully up and Manning grabs Clark out of his stance and has him move to the right side of the formation (interior lineman remain three point but go to ground).
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infantrycak said:
This is how I saw that play and on a few minutes later:
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Sorry, somehow I missed your post!

I had a thought..............Things are a little blurry to me. The QB rules are basically for a QB under center. If the QB is in the shotgun, I wonder if he is considered backfield with this applying:

(5) Any offensive backfield player, not under center, including a kicker or a placekick holder who extends his hands, does not have to receive the snap, nor must he retract them prior to the snap.
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Even if this would be the case, with his foot going up and slamming to the ground, that would seem like a set in itself, meant to draw an off side.

Note: Any obvious attempt by the quarterback to draw an opponent offside is a false start
penalty.
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TheCD said:
Centers tend to point at defensive players and turn their heads and such after they have placed their hand on the ball. Does anyone know why this is allowed, or am I missing something?
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I think that as long as they aren't doing something that simulates the snap of the ball or making a sudden jerking movement they'll be fine...

But yes, technically if we are following the rules exactly as written, that should be outlawed as well...

I think too much is being made of the pre-snap movements...I think that the refs and players generally have a good feel for pre-snap movement by the offense and are not concerned with it unless it's done to draw players off-sides...
 
Colts skate the rules hands down, The play Cloak is talking about I watched at his house. They get up from a three point stance to have a chat with payaton. then get back set while the guard raises his head like he is snapping the ball. It is cheating in every sence of the word and he gets away with it plain and simple.
 
Rey said:
Simulates a snap to who?

The defense doesn't jump, so obviously they are not doing something that makes them think they snapped it...
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It doesn't matter if the D jumps, jerking backwards and simulating the snap of the ball should be called. Just like all the stupid rules on DB's. They look insubstantial but they call em cause its the rule.
 
Did anyone watch Colts v. Titans? A bizarre no-call. Indy player (safety I think) pulled a Titans' helmet off and then proceeds to head butt him with his helmet on. Didn't get ejected from the game. I thought that was supposed to be an automatic ejection this season. Odd even if it was discretionary.

Also odd was the Titans play calling. CJ had 2 TDs and 80 yards in the 1st half. Only got 4 carries in the 2nd half.
 
infantrycak said:
Did anyone watch Colts v. Titans? A bizarre no-call. Indy player (safety I think) pulled a Titans' helmet off and then proceeds to head butt him with his helmet on. Didn't get ejected from the game. I thought that was supposed to be an automatic ejection this season. Odd even if it was discretionary.

Also odd was the Titans play calling. CJ had 2 TDs and 80 yards in the 1st half. Only got 4 carries in the 2nd half.
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Exactly my thoughts when watching this game, on both points.

The no-call was dangerous. When the refs don't take control of an out of control situation, that's when things can really get out of hand.

The Titans' playcalling is terrible. They would run it twice in a row, then go to empty set on 3rd and 1. It was the strangest thing.
 
I watched a small part of that game, & I saw the play where Luck tried to sneak it for a 1st down on 3rd and like half a yard. Well, anybody could plainly see he got about 6 inches at most, but they spotted the ball 2.5 feet forward for one reason: it's the Colts with a popular QB. Titans even challenged it, but the refs get away with the whole we-can't-see-the-ball, so it's indefinitive. Well, no, you can't see the ball, but you can dang sure see that it got nowhere near the 1st down marker, just like you could tell that when you gave it to him.

Anyway, at least it's the Titans they were cheating on.

Still gotta see the final score in the game...
 
HJam72 said:
I watched a small part of that game, & I saw the play where Luck tried to sneak it for a 1st down on 3rd and like half a yard. Well, anybody could plainly see he got about 6 inches at most, but they spotted the ball 2.5 feet forward for one reason: it's the Colts with a popular QB. Titans even challenged it, but the refs get away with the whole we-can't-see-the-ball, so it's indefinitive. Well, no, you can't see the ball, but you can dang sure see that it got nowhere near the 1st down marker, just like you could tell that when you gave it to him.

Anyway, at least it's the Titans they were cheating on.

Still gotta see the final score in the game...
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BTW, for those think the NFL is not fixable, a game like this one would be a key example. all that is needed is a couple of missed calls and the next thing we know the colts just "turned" it on in the second half.
 
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How does CJ get 80 yards 2 TD's in first half, 20 fantasy points, then end with 20.9 fantasy points? How is that even possible?

Are the Colts just THAT good at halftime adjustments or is there something else going on? Hmmm...
 
Just a funny thing - Luck ran for a 1st down in the 2nd half and then slid down. He then extended his hand up to a Titans player to be helped up. I don't recall ever seeing a QB try to get a hand up from an opposing player who wasn't offering one.
 
infantrycak said:
Just a funny thing - Luck ran for a 1st down in the 2nd half and then slid down. He then extended his hand up to a Titans player to be helped up. I don't recall ever seeing a QB try to get a hand up from an opposing player who wasn't offering one.
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Yeah, he seems to do that stuff a lot. I think he is trying to buck the trend of only helping up your own teammate. Not sure why players are such dicks about helping the other team off the ground.
 
infantrycak said:
Also odd was the Titans play calling. CJ had 2 TDs and 80 yards in the 1st half. Only got 4 carries in the 2nd half.
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No kidding, talk about outsmarting yourself. Halftime adjustments can be good, but sometimes you have to go with the tried and true that when you're able to run the ball and you have the lead, you run & run the clock. :mariopalm:
 
There was also a non-call for too many men on the field. I think the refs were asleep at wheel last night.

I'm really starting to hate the Colts. Even to the point of actually wanting the Titans to win a game. I think I'm going crazy.
 
Playoffs said:
No kidding, talk about outsmarting yourself. Halftime adjustments can be good, but sometimes you have to go with the tried and true that when you're able to run the ball and you have the lead, you run & run the clock. :mariopalm:
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you are assuming the Titans have capable coaching, which they do not. The talent is there - but those coaches would **** up a cup of coffee.

I'm still trying to figure out how ripping a guys helmet off, then headbutting the same player doesn't get you kicked out of a game.
 
Heck, who wouldn't want the ball in the Fitz's hands when the game's on the line? Lol

The helmetless head-butt was ridiculous. I said "he's ejected" to the wife as soon as the tv showed it (even though she was likely not listening to me).

There were several questionable calls. The side judge was standing amongst the 3 players that were walking (coach shoulda reemed their asses) off the field. I'm not sure how the dude could miss that. I think the blow to the head call on Mathis was bogus too, but there was another penalty on the play anyway.

On a side note: To me, it seemed obvious Brown's vision is night and day compared to Richardson. That looks to be a horrible trade so far. But heck, they're winning...so it's whatev
 
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