**offical texans 2014 draft thread **

[badboy]

Matt Schaub's contract was 5 years for $66.15 million. $29.15 guaranteed. 29.15 - 17.5 (signing bonus in MS hands)= $11.65 guaranteed to be paid. $11.65 - 4.4 (2012 base)= 7.25 guaranteed to be paid. $7.25m - 3.05m (2012 misc. bonus)= 4.2m. $4.2m guaranteed to be paid - $7.25m (2013 base) = guarantee fully paid and $3.05m over the guarantee toward remaining contract at end of 2013 season.

 

[Corrosion]

Hehe - actually you agreed with my post but your numbers are off. His salary does matter if he isn't released. Hence the 14.5 cap hit. If he is released, the remainder of his bonus is due which is 10.5. That means there's a 4 million cap savings if he's cut vs if he's on the roster.

I wouldn't designate Schaub a June 1st cut. All that does is push 7.5 million to 2015 when a certain Mr Watt will be getting a new contract. I'd absorb the 10.5 in 2014.

You got the numbers close but how you got there was all wrong .... guaranteed $$ , that's all that matters. Throw the rest out the window. It doesn't matter.

I'm sure we've all heard the numbers several dozen times over the past month , but how we arrive at those numbers is easily misunderstood because everyone tells us something different. I hear the radio personalities making the same mistakes ....


I looked up Schaubs contract on Sportrac - its 5 years , $ $66.15m with $17.5m in up front signing bonus money and $29.15m in total guaranteed money.

He's been paid $11.7m & $7.25m over the first two years including salary and signing bonus money that has affected the cap leaving a total of $11.5m in guaranteed $$ which would affect the cap should he be cut.
There was a miscellaneous payment to Schaub in 2012 of $3.05m I didn't add into the above as it just doesn't add up correctly.
Some of that affects the final cap number , some doesn't. According to Sportracs calculations only $1m of that comes off the remaining total leaving him $10.5m in total cap ramifications. The remaining is likely roster and incentive money.


As for designating Schaub a June1 cut or not , I'm kinda torn here and a lot depends upon what you believe you can accomplish in the 2014 season as well as who else you part with. There are several I'd cut who total about a 21m savings against the cap without factoring in Schaub. (J.Jo , Ed Reed & OD).

Do you want the extra money this season or next to play with in FA?? It could be better spent this season depending upon the quality you are able to get.

 

[Exascor]

You got the numbers close but how you got there was all wrong .... guaranteed $$ , that's all that matters. Throw the rest out the window. It doesn't matter.

I'm sure we've all heard the numbers several dozen times over the past month , but how we arrive at those numbers is easily misunderstood because everyone tells us something different. I hear the radio personalities making the same mistakes ....


I looked up Schaubs contract on Sportrac - its 5 years , $ $66.15m with $17.5m in up front signing bonus money and $29.15m in total guaranteed money.

He's been paid $11.7m & $7.25m over the first two years including salary and signing bonus money that has affected the cap leaving a total of $11.5m in guaranteed $$ which would affect the cap should he be cut.
There was a miscellaneous payment to Schaub in 2012 of $3.05m I didn't add into the above as it just doesn't add up correctly.
Some of that affects the final cap number , some doesn't. According to Sportracs calculations only $1m of that comes off the remaining total leaving him $10.5m in total cap ramifications. The remaining is likely roster and incentive money.


As for designating Schaub a June1 cut or not , I'm kinda torn here and a lot depends upon what you believe you can accomplish in the 2014 season as well as who else you part with. There are several I'd cut who total about a 21m savings against the cap without factoring in Schaub. (J.Jo , Ed Reed & OD).

Do you want the extra money this season or next to play with in FA?? It could be better spent this season depending upon the quality you are able to get.

I'm really not arguing with you but this is a little funny. You said the exact thing I did and came up with the exact same number. His 17.5 million bonus was prorated over 5 years. That's 3.5 a year. He'll have 3 years left after this year. That is 10.5 owed. If we absorb his entire remaining prorated bonus in 2014 it's a 10.5 million cap hit. The only difference is you keep saying that his 2014 salary... isn't relevant to the cap. It IS relevant if he remains on the roster. If he remains on the roster the cap hit is 4 million higher than if he's cut. I call that "cap savings" and fail to see how that is wrong. Some players cap hit actually INCREASE if they are cut. I think Cushing's cap hit would go up by almost 13 million if cut next year.

There are only 3 cap situations with Schaub in the upcoming offseason:
Keep Schaub
14.5 million 2014 cap hit + 7.0 million prorated bonus due 2015+

Cut/trade Schaub
10.5 million 2014 cap hit + 0.0 due in 2015+

Cut Schaub with June 1st
3.5 million 2014 cap hit + 7.0 million cap hit in 2015

I could sure be wrong Corrosion, but I read your posts and see the exact thing I've posted. I'm definitely not great at expressing myself but it looks clear to my cramped up brain.

 

[Yesterday]

Draft Jake Matthews

 

[Texan in Japan]

Draft Jake Matthews

This! I remember the Luv U Blue days and the Oline we had was second to none. However, there are a few OTs this year and we could trade down and get some extra picks and still get a decent RT. However, guys like Matthews would be great to stick in on the right side and if something happens to Brown he could slide over without killing us.

 

[The1ApplePie]

As it has often been pointed out on this board, the Texans are a PR team that happens to also have a football team.

If the Texans really go 3-13 or thereabouts, it may go down as the worst season ever. If so, I wonder if the organization will be wary of repeating the Mario Williams debacle. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans took a flashy offensive player over a lineman or defender.

It all depends on if there is a new coach and if Keenum pans out. Even if he does, a new coach may not want to build his franchise around an undrafted QB.

 

[Exascor]

It all depends on if there is a new coach and if Keenum pans out. Even if he does, a new coach may not want to build his franchise around an undrafted QB.

At what point does a QB go from undrafted to starting caliber? Any coach taking over this team has to evaluate the talent on the roster. If Keenum comes close to his current level of play over the remaining 7 games and the head coach says they HAVE to draft a new QB then he probably isn't worth hiring. Keenum is playing against much better defenses than ANY current college QB and doing very well against them. Isn't that what you want from a young QB?

 

[76Texan]

Corrosion, teams don't need to spend all of their cap space, they can always carry it over to the next year.

The new CBA only dictate that teams have to spend at least 89.1% of the total cap between 2013-2016.

One can spend just 70% three years in a row and make up the final number in 2016 if one likes.

 

[infantrycak]

As it has often been pointed out on this board, the Texans are a PR team that happens to also have a football team.

If the Texans really go 3-13 or thereabouts, it may go down as the worst season ever. If so, I wonder if the organization will be wary of repeating the Mario Williams debacle. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans took a flashy offensive player over a lineman or defender..

I don't understand this reasoning. Pretty much all but the most die hard VY fans now admit the Texans made the correct decision. If anything, I would think that would embolden the Texans to do it again.