Thorn
Dirty Old Man
True. But in my little fantasy world Keenum sets the world on fire AND Kubiak gets fired.
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We arent out of it yet...
- Thread starter EllisUnit
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True. But in my little fantasy world Keenum sets the world on fire AND Kubiak gets fired.
Blake
MMQB
I agree. IMO the only hope Keenum has of being the starter through next year is if Kubiak stays.
I like Keenum, but would rather take a shot at some of these QBs coming out like Mariota, Hundley, ect.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I agree. Kubiak's ouster is unlikely. A new coach would, without any doubt, choose Keenum from among those we have now. Case needs to wrap up the ball when he's about to be sacked, but that's something he can learn. He already reads a defense better than the other 2, and avoids throwing to a defender when they have anticipated the play and are hovering there waiting to pick the ball off.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Ouch. I just stubbed my toe on the bar. It was so low I didn't see it.
Hey, at least we aren't going to lose a game this weekend.
Exascor
Veteran
Meh - Vegas has us as 3 point underdogs vs the Bye. We could still lose.Hey, at least we aren't going to lose a game this weekend.
Things will look better after we win the next 4.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Granted.
burro
probably drunk
Let's assume we beat Indy coming out of the bye: 3-5
We then have then have the Cardinals, Raiders, Jags, Pats, and then the Jags again: The Pats looks beatable and there isn't another game in that stretch that we should lose. Let's be realistic and assume we lose to the Pats and win the others: 7-6
That leaves the last 3 games against Indy, Denver, and the Tacks. Winning any two of those games could get us into the play offs under certain circumstances. In other words, we aren't really done yet.
Then again, it's all over if Indy wins next week. You might say its....THE BIGGEST GAME IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!!!
We then have then have the Cardinals, Raiders, Jags, Pats, and then the Jags again: The Pats looks beatable and there isn't another game in that stretch that we should lose. Let's be realistic and assume we lose to the Pats and win the others: 7-6
That leaves the last 3 games against Indy, Denver, and the Tacks. Winning any two of those games could get us into the play offs under certain circumstances. In other words, we aren't really done yet.
Then again, it's all over if Indy wins next week. You might say its....THE BIGGEST GAME IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!!!
Vance87
All Pro
Then again, it's all over if Indy wins next week. You might say its....THE BIGGEST GAME IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!!!
Oh lord :kubepalm:
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Just noticed that 4 of 5 of our next games will be at home!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If Kubiak gets fired and Gruden happens to migrate over here, he is likely to go with Keenum.
New coaches love their own QBs, especially offensive minded coaches. & with the people yaking about all the talented QBs coming in next years draft, you can be sure Gruden will bring in his own guy. Case is last year's news, Gruden has most likely moved on.
Case's best chance to be a starter in this league is with Kubiak. Case is going to be who Case is going to be & if Kubiak saw what you Case fans saw, then another coach will as well. But if he is picked up by another team, it will be with an opportunity to compete for a starting gig, & we know those competitions aren't always on the up & up.
Best chance for Case, imo, is Kubiak.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Let's assume the Texans win the Super Bowl this year. Then it's clear we've found our QB of the future.
& I know people criticize Kubiak for his allegiance to Kubiak, but Kubiak showed no more allegiance to Schaub than any other HC would have shown for their QB who played as well as Schaub in recent history.
Harbaugh didn't make the switch to his guy until Alex Smith got hurt. Matt Ryan is still starting in Atlanta, Flacco still starts in Baltimore (& he's had several sub-par games before winning the Super Bowl).
Matt Schaub didn't earn the slack that Eli Manning has, but he definitely earned 3 or 4 games.
& this offense looked awesome from the get go with Schaub as a first time starter (granted he had a whole off-season to prepare), & Case is a much better athlete than Schaub was & this team is a much better team.
Harbaugh didn't make the switch to his guy until Alex Smith got hurt. Matt Ryan is still starting in Atlanta, Flacco still starts in Baltimore (& he's had several sub-par games before winning the Super Bowl).
Matt Schaub didn't earn the slack that Eli Manning has, but he definitely earned 3 or 4 games.
& this offense looked awesome from the get go with Schaub as a first time starter (granted he had a whole off-season to prepare), & Case is a much better athlete than Schaub was & this team is a much better team.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
We're only two games out of the wild-card
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
That is what is so frustrating. There is still an excellent chance the Texans can make the playoffs as a wild card. Given the defensive woes we need a miracle from the offense. If Keenum helps provide one, there is still that hope of a wild card slot. Taking the division though I think is past hope, and is very quickly moving into the fantasy category. LOL
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
In terms of Hope, obviously having a winning divisional record, this is the one positive that can be built off as this team moves ahead after the bye week.
2 weeks to prepare for the Colts at home is a huge aspect to put some hope into.
If there's ever a week the Texans need it's fan base, it's this one!
I'm glad Ellis started this thread. I was resigned that this season was over. While the realist in me still thinks in all probability, it should be, now I'm shifting my expectations to avoid frustration, but clearly have a chance to continue enjoying the rest of the season... win, lose or draw.
WWJJD?
His best chance to GET a start was with Kubiak. That's it. Once he hits the field as a starter, ANY coach gets to see if they like what he brings.
And he got those, but kept up the pick-o-matic.
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
Let's assume we beat Indy coming out of the bye: 3-5
We then have then have the Cardinals, Raiders, Jags, Pats, and then the Jags again: The Pats looks beatable and there isn't another game in that stretch that we should lose. Let's be realistic and assume we lose to the Pats and win the others: 7-6
That leaves the last 3 games against Indy, Denver, and the Tacks. Winning any two of those games could get us into the play offs under certain circumstances. In other words, we aren't really done yet.
Then again, it's all over if Indy wins next week. You might say its....THE BIGGEST GAME IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!!!
I already beat you to the punch on that phrase for this thread! LOL
But I love the blurry line from "Assuming" we beat Indy and Being "realistic" ;-)
No if's, and's or buts, we HAVE to beat Indy or we really are done.
But realistically, if we can beat Indy, there's not a team left on our schedule that I wouldn't think would be a bigger threat, but at the same time, there isn't a team left that we can't lose to. We basically have to get lucky every week now. No more room for bad.
I don't believe the lines are blurry at all. There are two distinct lines.
1) The line drawn from doing a football analysis of how the two teams are playing this year.
2) The line drawn from "who is my favorite team".
I do agree that they are still in "it" though - up to their necks and getting deeper. The problem is, what is "it"? I'm going to say kimchi. They are in deep kimchi.
eriadoc
Texan-American
This is somewhat misleading on its face. If the playoffs started today, the first wild card would go to the 7-1 Broncos. That leaves one wild card, for which 7 teams are ahead of the Texans. So yeah, they may "only" be 2 games out of the wild card, but 7 other teams are not even that far out. It's still early, so that doesn't mean it's impossible, but what it does mean is they do not control their own destiny. Even if they win out, they need some help. If the Texans win out and the Colts go 7-2, with the two losses being to the Texans, the Colts would finish 12-4 to the Texans' 11-5. Anyone who thinks the Texans are going to win out ... first of all, needs to share. It's toke, toke, PASS. Second, they'd have to acknowledge that the Colts could win out. Finally, they'd have to really be in love with what Keenum brings to the position, I think.
Just two games out of the wild card though. LOL
If he doesn't play well, Kubiak's gone. If Kubiak is gone, the new coach will bring in his own QB, especially considering the strength of the upcoming draft. Like it or not, the guy they drafted will have all the advantages of any "competition" or "evaluation" they might have.
Especially Gruden. He loves QBs, he's going to draft one in this draft.
No way around it, if Kubiak loses his job this season, Case didn't play very well at all & unless a UH alum becomes a HC in the NFL, Case will soon be forgotten.
Yes.
The point is "all is not lost" We've got people already talking about giving up on the season, tanking, & all kinds of stuff based on the fact that we won't make the play-offs.
But we're two games out of the Wild-Card.
1-0
Before KC, perhaps probably (although I think teams might have shown interest after his preseason performances).
After KC, I think there are definitely teams that would bring him in to kick the tires.
Keenum holds his and Kubiak's future in his hands right now. Honestly, I hope he's the man to save both of their jobs and the season, as well.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Gruden gushes over Keenum and has for some time.
Kubiak, Gruden, or someone else matters not. Case's best chance to be a starter in this league is to tear it up over the next 9 games and seize the job if he can. In reality that's his only chance to be a starter in this league and that's really not all that different from most everyone else playing in the NFL. Drafted or UDFA it doesn't matter one bit. When you get your chance you either nail it or stumble.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Exactly. Just like not all high round picks turn out to worthwhile. It all depends on the individual.
YeaLikeRightNow
Waterboy
Here is my take on this:
Kubiak showed more allegiance to Schaub than I've ever seen a head coach display. He put the team's record on the line for Schaub to hopefully come out of his funk. Kubiak's play-calling (or lack of), was centered around Schaub's disabilities.
Schaub has been playing hurt since he returned from his LisFranc injury. He has never been the same quarterback and both Kubes and Schaub knew it. Do I have proof? Yes...look at the simplistic play-calling.
Eli earned his slack...he's won SuperBowls. Schaub barely got us by the first two games of this season and was pathetic the last half of the 2012 season.
Schaub even admitted, he was the problem why the Texans have suffered this year.
Just my opinion, and what I gather from the big picture.
Gruden gushes over QBs..... that's what he does, like Parcells & Linebackers, Kubiak & TEs. Trust me there'll be a new flavor of the month next year.
Yes.... pretty much saying the same thing. If Case plays well, Kubiak has a job & Keenum is the starter. If he doesn't, Kubiak is gone & since Keenum didn't play well, he's going to be that other guy who might get a chance to prove himself, might not ala Kolb, Young, Flynn....
So right now, the best chance for Keenum to become a true starter in this league, Kubiak gives him his best chance (since he is here now). Kubiak has to draw up some plays to maximize what the kid does, allow him to grow, & protect him at the same time.
If Kubiak can't do that, Keenum fades away ala Flynn.
When has a coach showed less support for his QB?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I'll settle for one and worry about the rest of it after we get that one.
Having said that.....
8 games. Ok, so we're 2-6 with Cards, Raiders, and Jags up next. 3 game win streak. Would have been nice to have had that Colts game but it's in the past.
3 wins and we're 5-6 with the Patriots coming to town.
Now say that somehow we put enough together to make it past New England. I've seen stranger things happen. A David Carr led Texans team once took them to overtime here in a season that the Pats won the Super Bowl over Carolina so say we string together those three wins and then get an upset. We're finally at .500 with a 6-6 record.
Next up is Jaguars again. Take care of business and we're 7-6
Then the home stretch looms. Colts, Broncos, and Titans.
Beat Indy at their house? Never done it before. Beat Peyton and the Bronco's here? That's just as close to being a certain loss in my mind as the Colts game in Indy. Titans? Well maybe we could work out a win there.
8-8 finish is the best I can imagine us doing this year. Outside shot at 9-7 if we get an upset in one of the last three games.
The part I find myself most interested in is what the Texans would have to do to put that .500 record together at this point. In my eyes that would make the Keenum-led Texans 6-4 and when taking into account injuries and "The Randy Bullock Experience" closer to 8-2. I genuinely believe that had our running backs not all been hurt on the same day in KC and had Bullock not been retained and allowed to screw up our turnaround we'd be sitting 2-0 since Keenum took over.
That's a bright future with a middle of the round-ish pick in the upcoming draft. I can live with that.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Even with Case, this team is not at all good, or capable of pulling off an 8 game winning streak to end the season. We're 0-2 with our new QB by the way. Our offense had a grand total of 9 points in the second half of those two ball games. Granted, the second half of the Colts game could probably atleast partially be attributed to Gary going down at half time, but facts are facts. The defense needs to tighten up a lot, but the offense needs to be better as well.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Gonna be tough to pull off the impossible without Cushing. Here's hoping we make it interesting. Doubt it though. Damn I wish we won last week. Ugh.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Yep ... 8-8 is what the fans and the Texans were after in 2004 . In 2013 an 8-8 record or fighting to get there , is an epic failure .
I think this season is lost, but this is a great opportunity to get Keenum reps and learn the offense. He needs to build a repoire with Hop, AJ, and OD when he gets back. Hopefully Posey or Jean can get reps too and become a legit #3.
Our defense is really going to be the issue here. We need a shot in the arm and I'm not sure benching Reed for Keo is really the answer
Our defense is really going to be the issue here. We need a shot in the arm and I'm not sure benching Reed for Keo is really the answer
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
And EVEN if we were to somehow miraculously win all of the next 8 games the Colts would have to fall off a cliff. I don't see that happening. The only realistic hope I have for the remainder of this season is that Keenum plays really well and solves our QB issue. This season is finished and it was a collssal dissapointment. Accept it and look forward to next season.
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
I know I may be in the minority, if the playoffs are out of question, I covet a top 5 draft pick. It's the only consolation I can see from a suck season. I value a higher pick much more than playing spoiler to anyone.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I know I may be in the minority, if the playoffs are out of question, I covet a top 5 draft pick. It's the only consolation I can see from a suck season. I value a higher pick much more than playing spoiler to anyone.
Must get into the top 5, and try to secure an additional 1st in order to turn it around by next year. An 8-8 finish places you in the 13-16 range at which point true game changers are off the board. Moral victories are cute, but senseless at this point.
Vance87
All Pro
Yeah there are no game changers left at all so I agree with you about losing out.
-DeAndre Hopkins
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
I'm for draft position as well. Holes all over this team. Draft key to keeping what was a wide open window open.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Honestly, I don't think the Texans are gonna even sniff the playoffs this year. But that doesn't keep me from watching the games and hoping for the best. I want so much to see Keenum tear up some serious ass on someone and we win by three touchdowns. Goods QBs and a couple of good receivers can take you all the way if things fall into place correctly. Or in the Texans case, luckily.
I understand the perspective of "fans of losing", but I will never agree with it.
Did anyone see the Vikings game last night? Those dudes could not care less about a freakin' 2014 draft pick. They were out there fighting like they were still in a race.
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Did anyone see the Vikings game last night? Those dudes could not care less about a freakin' 2014 draft pick. They were out there fighting like they were still in a race.
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ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Lol I couldnt help but think the skins looked like the texans
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Nice hands, bad speed. Reason he was drafted late 1st.
He ain't no AJ Green, Dez Bryant or Megatron. Those guys are game changers, hell even Dre at his age is more of a game changer than nuuk cmon now.
Top 5 pick vs middle to late 1st round, what's the debate?
Vance87
All Pro
You're probably right. Tanking to get a higher draft pick is definitely the way to go, that way you ensure you get the better player.
-Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith