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Does either Yates or Keenum give you a better chance to win that Schaub.
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I disagree.
You still believe this season matters. I've been past that.
Season is over and I want to see other guys start playing at every position so we can see what we have.
And yes, I do believe that kubiak sticking with Schaub has a negative effect on the psyche of the team. I believe when you fail to score TD's players on defense start to feel too much pressure and then when you have one big play you go into a tail spin. It all snowballs.
But that doesn't even matter anymore. It's definitely time to see other players.
This was one game where defense was totally useless. Now you have the head coach saying "see I told you".
Kubiak needs to go and he needs to take Schaub with him. McNair should start looking for another coach and he should direct kubiak to start playing some back ups so the next staff knows what they have.
That's how it should go, but it won't.
I agree with all of that. We have 10 games left. We need to know who on this team is really capable and who needs to go. We have a lot of contracts that could be trimmed and we need to find the core of the team for the next regime.
Right now I have a hard time seeing the team rallying around Schaub. The team essentially gave up when it was 10-0. We have a lot of talent and we don't have a QB who looks like a starter.
And who knows, if Keenum goes out there and is able to spark the team, you maybe able to salvage the season. Right now though, our #1 and #2 QBs are doing nothing to excite this team out of the funk they are in.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The offense moves great in between the 20's and stall in the red zone....thats been the case for years. Yet people claimed we're a good offense b/c we we've been top 10 in total offense according to stats for years.
The defense doesnt give up alot of yards, but they dont create turnovers and when teams make it to the red zone against them, its a virtual certainty they will convert for a TD...people claimed we're a good defense b/c we're the # 1 defense according to stats.
It turns out neither is as good as their ranking may have indicated. good offenses score points regardless of what the defense tries to do to them and good defenses don't let people score on them.....period. Good offensive & defensive teams dont let decisions being made on the other side of the ball to demoralize them...they take matters into their own hands.
This defense never did that at any point this year.
Pay attention.
I made it clear that I believe that ship has sailed. Whether they give a damn at this point is not relevant any more.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
They have been top 10 on points 2009-2012. Always be nice to have more of course.
Paying attention just fine and your idea is inane. Players aren't light switches. You don't tell them well turn off this year and switch back on next year. You are also creating all sorts of problems with free agent recruitment and re-signing players. And hey I am sure the vets you want to keep on the team are going to be excited to run on the field. "Naw coach, I think I'll sit the next ten out, after all I am vested and why should I risk an injury when you have quit. Here, want some popcorn."
I don't agree with anything you post really and this is no different. A decision that plays a huge role in winning or losing definitely impacts the whole team.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
F course it impacts the team, but if this defense was as good as you thought it was, they wouldn't be getting rolled in the red zone like they have been all season.
Its about pride....and no self respecting defense, especially one that thinks its pretty good lets something going on with the offense affect them like you claim...ray lewis and co. Ruled on defense for years without a viable qb option...people still knew it was gonna be tough sleding when they came to baltimore.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Again, we get the great yardage stats .... >400.....and time of possession > by 10 minutes............BUT..........Rams Red Zone Efficiency 3/3 - 100% and
Goal To Go Efficiency 3/3 - 100%...........Texans Red Zone Efficiency 1/6 - 16% and Goal To Go Efficiency 1/3 - 33%.
Bradford only had 117 yds passing..........but 3 TDS. And Schaub and Yates close to 300 yds passing and a goose egg for TDs.
Goal To Go Efficiency 3/3 - 100%...........Texans Red Zone Efficiency 1/6 - 16% and Goal To Go Efficiency 1/3 - 33%.
Bradford only had 117 yds passing..........but 3 TDS. And Schaub and Yates close to 300 yds passing and a goose egg for TDs.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Thats what im saying...we look great between the 20's on both sides of the ball...but when we hit the red zone, its like kryptonite. The defense cant hold anybody out of it, and the offense cant get in there.
Timely 3rd down conversions for the other teams offense and we stink on 3rd down on offense.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Have you noticed how consistently we have been allowing runs up the middle? Watt had no sacks OR tackles today..........double and triple teamed because Mitchell is no threat for either run defense or pass rush. When will anyone recognize the importance of having that "fat boy in the middle?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah these last few weeks we've been getting gashed pretty good. Watt's making his sharg of plays, but there's only so much 1 man can do. I don't think antonio smith has played as well as he had been either. The fact that i cant recall Mitchell's name being called at any point in the last 2 games speaks volumes about his play.
To be honest, i think wade prefers the smaller quick DT's b/c it helps him get his blitzes home better....and we all know how much he likes to blitz. With a fat daddy just sitting in there, i don't think those blitzes that call for Cush to blitz right down the middle get home as well as they do now.
But he's on pace for 4,000 yards right?
Yeah, you say?
Whew...that was close....
Mitchell had one good moment in pre season. He's done very little in the season.
More than size, he just doesn't seem to be all that talented. You'd think by him being smaller and quicker than a big 330 LB guy he'd be a better pass rusher/penetrator.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
If you had a fat daddy in the middle, he would be pushing the center back to the qb allowing cushing to play coverage,something he's really good at. Its been beaten many times on this board and just like the #2 wr,it keeps getting ignored.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I agree, but wade has continously said that he likes to " put players in position and let them do what they do best". And as good as cush is in coverage, he's better as a blitzer. And as i said, wade loves to blitz and be aggressive...... moreso than just sit back and let his front 4 generate the pressure.
Having a quicker guy in the middle who can get by his man and create havoc has more benefits than a fat daddy....at least it appears he feels that way. If they get by their man and make the play, cool... And even If they dont make the play, they've likely created enough problems with pass protection to create alternate pass rush lanes for a blitzing cush...and to a lesser extent guys like Watt. How many times have we seen Watt and others loop back under towards the middle on a secondary passrush and have an unimpeeded route to the qb for a sack?
Sounds like a Cowboys joke.
I think one of my concerns with case in this offense is his freedom he'll have to call an audible. case was a wizard that read defenses and called out plays in college. if kubiak calls everything, the same scheme's are going to prevalent.
the other thing i'd like to see once case goes in there is more spread offenses. if case is allowed to run the spread with quick huddles, you'll see a lot more defenses get tired. which will also open the run for foster.
there's more holes than qb and it's hard to see any qb do anything when our defense can't play the run and special teams suck.
the other thing i'd like to see once case goes in there is more spread offenses. if case is allowed to run the spread with quick huddles, you'll see a lot more defenses get tired. which will also open the run for foster.
there's more holes than qb and it's hard to see any qb do anything when our defense can't play the run and special teams suck.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
After one game... we went from 8th in the league on Red Zone TD efficiency, all the way to 24th in the league! Against the Rams, we got 13 points from 6 trips in the red zone. That's amazing!!! I mean we kick a FG every time and we would have scored more.
Let's analyze what happened on each trip:
1) Hopkins fumble
2) 3rd & goal at the 4, false start by Newton.
3) 1st & 10 at 19, Schaub sacked for loss of 3 yards. (It also didn't help that the refs missed an interference call on Hopkins in the end zone)
4) Yates pick 6
5) Yates INT in the end zone
6) Tate TD
It's obvious... we are our worst enemy. Is it the coaching? Or are players simply not executing as they are taught?
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Mitchell gets absolutely no credit. He's a NT. His plays don't show up in the stat column. Go watch the film again and tell me how many times he stood up a double team and kept his LB's clean, only for those LB's to completely whiff on tackle attempts. Sharpton, in particular, had free shots all day in gaps and had 1 tackle.
I'm not saying Mitchell is a great player. He's solid. But when we get gashed everyone points him out like it's his fault when, for the most part, it's a back seven guy whiffing a tackle attempt.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
OK. I get it. Everyone wants an NT that has 15 tackles and 0 sacks 0 pressures in 6 games who is part of a 3-4 line that virtually can never contain runs up the middle, especially when they are crucial.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I don't think Earl is the problem. He is probably league average for his position, not bad value for a 3rd rd. pick. Could Texans do better, of course, if teams continue to double/triple team Watt production should also come from other DE/DT Antonio Smith. All the blame is focused on the offensive side, I get that, but is this defense, as a group, already worn down after just 6 games? I would argue a similar dilemma faces the defense, predictability. My focus would be how to change that more than the players themselves.
Exascor
Veteran
It's both. To me it seems like at least 1 Texans player falls apart on every play - offense, defense and special teams. That's both coaching and on the players.
I think we need a more talented guy there. Whether that guy is bigger is not relevant to me. Earl just hasn't gotten it done. He doesn't fight off blocks well, he doesn't get penetration. At least not nearly consistently enough.
I think we definitely need someone to challenge him for that spot next year. Maybe even give McClain or someone else more run this year.
Watching the game again, Mitchell didn't do anything outstanding one way or the other. What was outstanding was how badly Antonio was wiped out of just about every play. There may be an injury there we don't know about, hopefully he can return to form.
I say easily, most of the time it was two guys both probably 80 lbs heavier than he was doubling him & wiping him out of the play.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Its really a dominoe effect from being small at 2 of 3 spots. Even though wade slants the front and 1 gap,when mitchell and smith are getting wiped by 1 man,now the guards are getting to the 2nd level. To counter this or contain this,wade has been run blitzing cush a lot. If they had the traditional 0 tech,then cush could just scrape and make easier plays like navarro bowman does. Also since mitchell nor smith are getting good penetration on passing downs,wade is A gap blitzing which is also taking his best lb out of coverage. Again,if they had that heavy 0,he could push the pocket against 2 players and that would allow one of the olbs to get free. At this point,wade should just play cover 2 because neither cb can hold up in man to man.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
What would Keenum have done in this situation?
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
What would Keenum have done in this situation?
What is Throw to Arian Foster?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Fans criticize the qb for throwing short of the sticks/end zone for nearly a year. In this instance he actually did throw it past the sticks to the EZ to Hopkins who was open.
& what do fans criticize him for???????????? not checking it down to a WR short of the sticks/EZ...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
McClain's take
1st & 10 from the 15. The ball is snapped, Yates looks to Andre for a quick slant. Andre isn't looking for the ball, Yates eats it, runs to his left. Makes it to the LOS for no gain.
Andre isn't looking for the ball, because he's looking to run block. Arian is looking for Tj, like, "Where's the ball man." Everyone else is run blocking, but Yates is looking to throw the ball.
pathetic.
The announcers are blaming Andre for not looking for the ball.
Andre isn't looking for the ball, because he's looking to run block. Arian is looking for Tj, like, "Where's the ball man." Everyone else is run blocking, but Yates is looking to throw the ball.
pathetic.
The announcers are blaming Andre for not looking for the ball.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I'd like to see McClain at QB. Entertainment value would sky rocket
Vance87
All Pro
That would be my plan.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
RTP2110
All Pro
RTP2110
All Pro
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
Since I've had about all the doom and gloom I can take from the Texans and my fellow fans, I'd like to introduce a new conversation (or rehash an old one).
I know I'm going to get labeled as a CK fanboy (although I went to UT, there is a special place in my heart for UH) but I want to offer a small glimmer of hope. Please understand that I completely understand that the odds are that CK will be what he is: an undrafted QB who plays well against 2nd and 3rd stringers but will get brought back to earth if he plays against the starters.
In the event he's not, I think this is the perfect situation for him. I heard both Kliff Kingsbury and Dana Holgorsen say on the radio today that if they had to choose only one thing CK accels at what would it be? Answers? Footwork/Extending the play and strong mental aspect. Hmmmmm...sounds like someone who is perfect to make something out of nothing when our poor man's O-line misses a block, wouldn't you say? CK doesn't seem like the type of guy to go into the fetal position when the pocket starts breaking down and is fast enough to take off if there is nothing there. He's also a student of the game and his mobility makes him perfect to run the bootleg.
I think he's raw and is going to make some mistakes but I think he's going to surprise some people. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he brings a new dimension to the offense and the players feed off of it. Flame away.
I know I'm going to get labeled as a CK fanboy (although I went to UT, there is a special place in my heart for UH) but I want to offer a small glimmer of hope. Please understand that I completely understand that the odds are that CK will be what he is: an undrafted QB who plays well against 2nd and 3rd stringers but will get brought back to earth if he plays against the starters.
In the event he's not, I think this is the perfect situation for him. I heard both Kliff Kingsbury and Dana Holgorsen say on the radio today that if they had to choose only one thing CK accels at what would it be? Answers? Footwork/Extending the play and strong mental aspect. Hmmmmm...sounds like someone who is perfect to make something out of nothing when our poor man's O-line misses a block, wouldn't you say? CK doesn't seem like the type of guy to go into the fetal position when the pocket starts breaking down and is fast enough to take off if there is nothing there. He's also a student of the game and his mobility makes him perfect to run the bootleg.
I think he's raw and is going to make some mistakes but I think he's going to surprise some people. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he brings a new dimension to the offense and the players feed off of it. Flame away.
Hottoddie
Veteran
I agree with you. Given the state of our O'Line, we need a much more mobile QB than we've had lately. Even if he has to be spoon fed by Kubiak, he'll at least bring some excitement back to the offensive side of the game & reduce the predictability of our play calling. Any time you have a QB that's not afraid to take off & run the defense has to respect that, which should open up other aspects of the offense.
