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NFL's Gregg Rosenthal: Kubiak Leaves Door Open for QB Change

I think Schaub has 2 weeks to save his job. This week Schaub will get the chance at home against St. Louis and then against KC on the road.

Even if Schaub stinks up the joint, I doubt Kubes will make TJ the starter on the road in Arrowhead Stadium, one of the toughest venues in the league against a vicious Chiefs D. Instead I think if Schaub stinks it up against St Louis and KC, Kubes will make TJ the starter and use the 2 week time frame (bye _ regular week) to get him ready for the rest of the year.
 
Doppelganger said:
I think Schaub has 2 weeks to save his job. This week Schaub will get the chance at home against St. Louis and then against KC on the road.

Even if Schaub stinks up the joint, I doubt Kubes will make TJ the starter on the road in Arrowhead Stadium, one of the toughest venues in the league against a vicious Chiefs D. Instead I think if Schaub stinks it up against St Louis and KC, Kubes will make TJ the starter and use the 2 week time frame (bye _ regular week) to get him ready for the rest of the year.
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This week would be the ideal time with the Rams coming to town. Let your new QB play a not very good team at home to get his feet wet. The Chiefs and Dolts have pretty dang good D's.
 
Kubiak also said today that there are no plans to give Yates or Keenum any more reps this week than usual. He aint doing ****.

Kubiak is completely lost at this point. Listen to him speak he has no clue.
 
WolverineFan said:
I agree. My problem is the guy's who are automatically dismissing Yates, but propping up Keenum as the next Brady. There is no evidence whatsoever that suggests Keenum is a better option.
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There is no evidence to suggest that he is not a better option.

TJ Yates is slightly more mobile than MS, but he still sails balls high and is pick prone.

Why not put Keenum in there to see if he has "it"?
 
DX-TEX said:
Kubiak also said today that there are no plans to give Yates or Keenum any more reps this week than usual. He aint doing ****.

Kubiak is completely lost at this point. Listen to him speak he has no clue.
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Then he is committing Texans career suicide. All we can hope for is that he's lulling the "ever so dangerous" Rams to sleep. That entire secondary is going to sleep all week counting picks. The shazaam!!!! Someone other than Schaub is starting under center and got all the 1st team reps. :kubepalm:
 
DocBar said:
Then he is committing Texans career suicide. All we can hope for is that he's lulling the "ever so dangerous" Rams to sleep. That entire secondary is going to sleep all week counting picks. The shazaam!!!! Someone other than Schaub is starting under center and got all the 1st team reps. :kubepalm:
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We are in a bad situation as fans. If Schuab somehow comes through this and strings together some not so spectacular games everything will be "right" again on Kirby. We will stumble into the playoffs and we can repeat the cycle again next year.

I don't want to wish bad mojo on my team I have such a passion for but no change will happen unless it gets worse IMO
 
DX-TEX said:
We are in a bad situation as fans. If Schuab somehow comes through this and strings together some not so spectacular games everything will be "right" again on Kirby. We will stumble into the playoffs and we can repeat the cycle again next year.

I don't want to wish bad mojo on my team I have such a passion for but no change will happen unless it gets worse IMO
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IMO, McNair's eyes are wide open on this. It's AFCCG or bust for this team. At a minimum, home field advantage and a close, bitter loss in the divisional round. Anything less could well cost Kubiak his job. If he want's to fall on his sword for Schaub, eff him. I just hate the major upset coaching changes cause. I was an Oiler's fan for 25 years or so. Most of the 70's and 80's just plain sucked. A lot of that was due to an owner that sucked and changed coaches way too often.
 
Kubiak is an idiot. I also found it funny how Schaub pretty much tried to deflect responsibility today. The whole situation is almost funny to me at this point. I wish I believed in Yates, but he is what he is I believe. He's a very average QB and a quality backup in my opinion. I talked about how I didn't see Keenum as an NFL QB coming out of college, but at least these guys threaten throwing the ball down the field. This offense is just really stale right now.
 
Kubiak lost me the year he should have been fired when he admitted "I don't know" on his show when asked what he thought he could do to "fix it". At that point I think he knew he was going to be fired and had just given up.

Of course as we all know McNair being McNair didn't fire Kubiak and instead brought in Wade to "fix the problem".

Kubiak had already proven he is not a good head coach at that point and it's now clear the 2 good coordinators but bad head coach experiment didn't work.

I will always be grateful to Bob McNair for doing what he did to bring back the NFL to the good people of Houston, however IMHO the problem starts with him. His is too nice and loyal to his own detriment. It's also the culture of his club. We saw it the David Carr, Kubiak himself and Schaub will probably be around way too long.

Ironically I now live near Tampa and am seeing the opposite extreme with Schiano. Screw up? To the bench. Whine about it? You're traded or released. Neither extreme is good and both teams need to clean house. The sad thing is both teams have a lot of talent.
 
well, mcnair is still looking at the "ox in the ditch"....and still doesn't know any way of getting it out.
 
thre is like a 100% chance Matt is starting


But if he stinks it up bye half time IDK

I just got that feeling tho with this much pressure and JOB and prob starting career on the line MAtt is going to TORCH the rams D and throw up like 3 TD bye half time
 
I love my team, and i have never wished a loss EVER, but with that said i hope the Rams come in and destroy us. I am so sick of Kubiak letting Schaub get away with team murder its making me sick.

Does Kubiak not realize how damn stupid and incompitent he looks as a coach/manager of this team.

I want to see Schaub get picked off 10 damn times, and they score 50 points on us, then MAYBE then Mcnair would be forced to step in, our even if we get blown out it might not change a thing.

"Its on me, i didnt have the team prepared to play, I'm more worried about the D and ST than the offense" blah blah blah

Shut your pie hole and make a damn QB change already !
 
Schaub is probably going to come out and torche the rams than proceed to get picked off 4 times by the chiefs defense the following week. He does just enough to justify kubiak keeping him. But when the lights shine brighter, he shrivels like a raisin.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Sorry if I skipped someone saying this but when Yates was QB the O seemed more focus around Foster...and now Tate...which is the way it should be. At 21-3 yesterday Foster was still getting 5 yards a pop but they wanted Schaub to throw. Maybe running the ball and a game manager is what puts things on the right track. Just throwing that out.
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If I were Kubiak I'd ask Arian why he hadn't been running like that all year. He looked very, very good Sunday. Even better when Yates came in.

If he tells me because he knew it was "on him" to get the offense going, I'd smack him in the head & tell him it's always on him, that's why we gave him that contract.

If he says he felt a shock & jolt, extra energy thinking they had a chance with Tj..... I'd kick myself in the arse & take a honest hard look at the team. Schaub's a good QB, he's never been great. It's not going to be easy to replace him, but if the team do not feel like he gives them a good chance to win against contenders.... I'm moving on.
 
I would imagine that we will see Yates starting for the Texans against the Rams considering the struggles from Schaub. Kubiak risks causing division among the team and losing control of the team if he does not make a QB change at this point. It's unfortunate that its come to this point though
 
Surreal McCoy said:
Sums up Houston fans across the board. No matter the sport.

:kubepalm:
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It's almost like wishing injury on your starting QB because you know the guy behind him is better but the coach is too stubborn to make the change.

Actually that worked for Florida Gator fans this season. :thinking:
 
devo-x said:
I would imagine that we will see Yates starting for the Texans against the Rams considering the struggles from Schaub. Kubiak risks causing division among the team and losing control of the team if he does not make a QB change at this point. It's unfortunate that its come to this point though
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I think this will define whether Kubiak is a HeadCoach or a cheerleader.

If he is a HeadCoach, he'll get the team to rally around Matt, not just pay lip service, but actually rally around Matt & pick up the slack.

All year we've been talking about how Matt does not have the ability to take up the slack for a poor offensive line, or a running game, or a struggling defense. But the fact is that he's overcome all of those at one time or another during his stint here.

He's struggling & right now, we need the rest of the team to take up the slack & help him get through it.

While I believe that makes sense, I think it makes more sense to throw Tj out there, or Keenum out there. We saw the team rally around Tj before. I don't think we had to go through a 3 game losing streak to get them to do that. He was a rookie, he was a third stringer, they did what they had to do. At the same time, it's not difficult to see Matt was struggling. I've only seen two players, maybe three, stepping up their game during this time.

Why pull teeth to get these guys to rally around Matt when he's lost the one trait that made him a starting QB in this league? Throw one of the kids out there who you have some confidence in & the team will respond.
 
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HoustonFrog said:
Sorry if I skipped someone saying this but when Yates was QB the O seemed more focused around Foster...and now Tate...which is the way it should be. At 21-3 yesterday Foster was still getting 5 yards a pop but they wanted Schaub to throw. Maybe running the ball and a game manager is what puts things on the right track. Just throwing that out.
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I don't disagree with that at all. I think the team would benefit a lot from a game manager that isn't giving points away. We are set up for that type of QB to succeed, with our running game and defense.
 
PapaL said:
Chances aren't given, they're earned.
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No, they're given.

You could work until you bleed from you eyes, and have some talent to go with it. But there is still someone that has to grant you that opportunity within a football structure. You're either given a chance to prove yourself or you're forced into duty due to injury.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Sooooo similar to the VY period.

:coffee:
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I see where you're coming from, but it's nothing near the roar of the VY fan club during that draft.

He just won a national championship for a major school. He was going to be drafted in the top 5 no matter what.

Keenum played for little ol' UH, and while he set some nice records, ultimately went undrafted and sat on the Texans practice squad for a year without any interest shown from other teams.

yeah, there is some buzz on this board about him, but that's merely a small light against a backdrop of black hopelessness that fans are feeling due to the Pick 6 King.

People were crowning VY into the Hall of Fame before he ever took a snap in the NFL.

Nobody is giving Keenum that kind of blind support. They are merely saying they saw something in him - even a glimmer - that appears to be void in our current QB.

PapaL said:
Chances aren't given, they're earned.
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Yes and no.

Some teams it's earned.

With the Texans, not so much. Did Kubiak really earn a second chance after going 6-10 in 2010? As mentioned up thread, did Frank Bush really earn another chance after coaching a horrid defense? What about Marciano? Did he really earn this year after coaching the worse ST unit in the NFL last season?

As for players, did David Carr really earn that year with Kubiak as HC? Did Schaub earn a start next week with his current streak of pick 6's and INTs?

Obviously examples can can go on and on. The point is that the standard set by other teams is not the Texans standard.
 
I remember another hometown boy QB that wore #7 that I wanted to start back in the day... Bucky Richardson! Case reminds me of having the same spark Bucky had, in his ability to scramble and make plays. But Case would have a way better team supporting him than Bucky had with the 1994 Oilers.
 
I have a question regarding this issue that may be part of the problem.

Kubiak assesses the strengths and weaknesses of his players based on what they do in practice, right?

So if all the CBs in the league can read Schaub and this offense like a book and exploit it for quick scores, is that not happening in practice?? J-Jo and K-Jax are good to pretty good CBs right? Wade cooks up a good defense. Are they not jumping routes in practice so Schaub's weaknesses can be exposed before we get in real games?

Is Wade's D pressing Schaub in practice like other teams do in games? What am I missing.

And no, I'm not laying this on the D. I'm just trying to figure out what Kubiak is seeing in practice and why it isn't translating to game time.
 
Double Barrel said:
I see where you're coming from, but it's nothing near the roar of the VY fan club during that draft.

He just won a national championship for a major school. He was going to be drafted in the top 5 no matter what.

Keenum played for little ol' UH, and while he set some nice records, ultimately went undrafted and sat on the Texans practice squad for a year without any interest shown from other teams.

yeah, there is some buzz on this board about him, but that's merely a small light against a backdrop of black hopelessness that fans are feeling due to the Pick 6 King.

People were crowning VY into the Hall of Fame before he ever took a snap in the NFL.

Nobody is giving Keenum that kind of blind support. They are merely saying they saw something in him - even a glimmer - that appears to be void in our current QB.

Yes and no.
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Double Barrel said:
I am all for giving Case or TJ a shot. I have no preference.

Kubes putting either one in for the last quarter would not be a fair test for either of them.

Give one of them the weeks reps with the ones and see what they can do with proper preparation. The next week give the other one the reps and the start. That gives them the bye to evaluate everything.

We need a replacement for Schaub, the only question now if we have one or not. I am not in the least concerned with the rest of the season, I have seen enough.

:coffee:
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Surreal McCoy said:
Sums up Houston fans across the board. No matter the sport.

:kubepalm:
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Oh come on i am hoping this so it helps the team, if schaub comes out the rest of the season and plays good enough not to lose and we make the play-off but get blown out cause all play-off games are prime time, what has been accomplished besides having schaub as the starter next season as well, then we get to ride this ferris wheel around again with the same results next season.
 
Schaub is broke. Not sure is physical, mental or some personal problem that is haunting him. Maybe he doesn't trust the O Line, maybe the receivers, or he is afraid he will get hurt again or doesn't like the play calling or some family member is having severe problems. Whatever it is he has lost all his confidence.

We know what we have in Yates - Matt 2.0. Just a little quicker, little faster on his feet, maybe a little more accurate, but still Matt 2.0. Yates is a good backup but I do not think he would be a franchise QB.

I would like to see if our next QB is on the team. There is a reason they put Case on the 53 and not the PS. Let him start the next 2 games and find out. If he cannot handle it, then we will know.

I saw a different energy on the field when Case was playing in the pre-season. He looked faster, more accurate, got the ball out quicker and seemed to have a pocket awareness that Matt does not have. I would just like to see if he has those during a reg game.
 
I'm trying to think rationally here, and keeping it in terms of this season. So, in a way I can see why Kubiak is reluctant to pull Schaub, other than loyalty/stupidity. They aren't going to trade for a QB of any significance, and they're not going to find one in the FA market either. We have three options for this season, Schaub, Yates, or Keenum. Given the circumstances, the best thing that can happen for this team is for Schaub to somehow pull himself out of this tailspin, and get back to the level he was playing at during the beginning of last season. That is the best case, realistic scenario, IMO. And I think Kubiak is going to hold out for that outcome as long as possible.

It's taken for Schaub to have a historic collapse for the idea of starting Yates or Keenum to even be a legit topic. So the only way that happens is if Schaub continues playing as bad as he has. If that does happen we get a QB better than terrible Schaub, but likely not as good as Schaub has shown he previously could be.

The big unknown is if Schaub can, a) get out of this tailspin and, b) get back to his prior level. I don't know if it's possible with his foot injury; I don't know if it's possible mentally after this huge collapse. I do think that IF he could do it, it would be our best chance at contention for this year.
 
ObsiWan said:
I have a question regarding this issue that may be part of the problem.

Kubiak assesses the strengths and weaknesses of his players based on what they do in practice, right?

So if all the CBs in the league can read Schaub and this offense like a book and exploit it for quick scores, is that not happening in practice?? J-Jo and K-Jax are good to pretty good CBs right? Wade cooks up a good defense. Are they not jumping routes in practice so Schaub's weaknesses can be exposed before we get in real games?

Is Wade's D pressing Schaub in practice like other teams do in games? What am I missing.

And no, I'm not laying this on the D. I'm just trying to figure out what Kubiak is seeing in practice and why it isn't translating to game time.
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I think Schaub's problem is that he is wilting under the pressure right now. I don't mean pressure from the defense, I mean pressure from the fans, the team, himself, etc.

We've seen what Schaub is capable of, I think he just isn't as good when the big lights come on. Its a problem seen at all levels of sport (and life), some guys are practice warriors because they don't do as well under pressure. Other guys look average until you put them in the big situation, and then they excel.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think this will define whether Kubiak is a HeadCoach or a cheerleader.

If he is a HeadCoach, he'll get the team to rally around Matt, not just pay lip service, but actually rally around Matt & pick up the slack.

All year we've been talking about how Matt does not have the ability to take up the slack for a poor offensive line, or a running game, or a struggling defense. But the fact is that he's overcome all of those at one time or another during his stint here.

He's struggling & right now, we need the rest of the team to take up the slack & help him get through it.
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He's a cheerleader, & not a very good one.
 
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