htownfan32
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NFL's Gregg Rosenthal: Kubiak Leaves Door Open for QB Change
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WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
How so? Talent wise the two are similar. The issue is Schaub keeps turning the ball over and making horrible decisions. If T.J. can come in and run the offense and not do that then what's the problem?
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I think people are just ready for a game changer at quarterback, not a game manager. Keenum seems to have the best opportunity to be a game changer, but Yates is probably best from a game management standpoint. Schaub is best if we want to keep giving games away to our opponents.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I agree. My problem is the guy's who are automatically dismissing Yates, but propping up Keenum as the next Brady. There is no evidence whatsoever that suggests Keenum is a better option.
I've never been a Yates fan starting when he was at Carolina. Saw him a bunch of times there and was never impressed. He just doesn't do it for me.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
There should be a rule on this message board that requires UH fans to declare their allegiance publicly so we are cognizant of any biases towards Case Keenum. 
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Schaub is a known quantity
Yates is a partially known quantity
Keenum is an unknown quantity.
If you want <7 points a game, Schaubs the man at this point, add the pick 6's and you're crying.
Yates was ok as a rushed starter with no tape on him 2 years ago. Teams have his number at this point and he could probably game manage, but we know we aren't likely to get great performances out of him if we're honest.
Keenum, we don't know what we've got, the guy is an unknown quantity for opposition Ds too, which will give him a honeymoon period as far as game planning against him goes so long as he is capable of adequately running the set plays he's given, 18 months in and he should know the system by now and we know he's the more athletic.
It's a catch 22 with a wildcard that might work out at a gamble, anyone here think wrestling an 8-8 or worse would be a good outcome for the season? It looks like the best outcome given out QB situation right now.
Take the gamble, if Keenum comes up roses then great, if not I'd much rather we get a really nice pick for the QB we need than come to some sort of false respectability in our record.
This season won't be happy viewing anyway IMHO, might as well suck for someone similar to luck if we don't have the answer on the roster.
I'd love us to cut Schaub right away and absorb some of the cap hit this season if possible, then spend the saving of having rookie contract QBs on resigning the plethora of young talent we have coming up to major contracts and grow as a team going forward.
We can put a young QB in a fantastic position to succeed here, that oline ain't gonna be crap for too long either, the talent is raw but real.
Yates is a partially known quantity
Keenum is an unknown quantity.
If you want <7 points a game, Schaubs the man at this point, add the pick 6's and you're crying.
Yates was ok as a rushed starter with no tape on him 2 years ago. Teams have his number at this point and he could probably game manage, but we know we aren't likely to get great performances out of him if we're honest.
Keenum, we don't know what we've got, the guy is an unknown quantity for opposition Ds too, which will give him a honeymoon period as far as game planning against him goes so long as he is capable of adequately running the set plays he's given, 18 months in and he should know the system by now and we know he's the more athletic.
It's a catch 22 with a wildcard that might work out at a gamble, anyone here think wrestling an 8-8 or worse would be a good outcome for the season? It looks like the best outcome given out QB situation right now.
Take the gamble, if Keenum comes up roses then great, if not I'd much rather we get a really nice pick for the QB we need than come to some sort of false respectability in our record.
This season won't be happy viewing anyway IMHO, might as well suck for someone similar to luck if we don't have the answer on the roster.
I'd love us to cut Schaub right away and absorb some of the cap hit this season if possible, then spend the saving of having rookie contract QBs on resigning the plethora of young talent we have coming up to major contracts and grow as a team going forward.
We can put a young QB in a fantastic position to succeed here, that oline ain't gonna be crap for too long either, the talent is raw but real.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Please get off of this stuff. NOBODY is claiming Case is the next Brady. And if they are they're damn fools.
And to all those bringing up the experience factor when talking about Yates over Case, that doesn't work either. How much experience did Russell Wilson have over Matt Flynn last season? Kaepernick and Smith?
The best chance for the Texans to win, to reach the playoffs again, is with Matt Schaub. If/when the Texans bench Schaub in favor of either Case or TJ, this 2013 season is done. You can deny that all you want, doesn't matter if you're in TJs camp or Case's, the season is done if Schaub isn't under center.
UNLESS.......
the Texans make the switch now and go with Case and he somehow pulls out some Kaepernick magic. Highly unlikely, but a better possibility than thinking TJ will do it. We've seen Yates. He doesn't have it. He ended the pre-season in a photo finish with Case, even with all his "experience". You think defenders are sitting on the short stuff with Schaub, wait 'til Yates gets in there with his 4.5 Y/A.
But to make a change now means you're pretty much giving up on the season.
I don't know what has happened to Schaub but he has been a different player ever since he got kicked in the junk last Thanksgiving. But if he is not under center and unless he starts playing like he did before Thanksgiving, the Texans miss the playoffs this season no matter who is under center.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Kubiak isn't thinking QB change at all, I don't believe. Unless he had TJ in there last night to evaluate his handoff abilities.
False Start
On # 69
Or, a drip of pancake syrup.
kingtexan
All Pro
Could be the next Brees though ...
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
There should be a rule on this message board that requires UH fans to declare their allegiance publicly so we are cognizant of any biases towards Case Keenum.
Why does everyone who is pro Keenum have to be a "UofH fan"? I am not a UofH fan and only watched a handful of his college games and I think he is the best option to replace Schaub if we decide to sit him down.
If I am the Chronicle interviewer ...
"So Gary, does that mean you are considering resigning as head coach?"
BTW, I am pro-Keenum at this point and I am not a UH fan. I think we know what we have with both Slaub and TJ. Since the season is going into the toilet might as well see what Keenum is going to bring.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
If Kubiak were coaching the Patriots, Bledsoe would still be the quarterback.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
I don't think we really and truly do know TJ. If TJ is static as hell and has not changed since 2011, it will show and Case should get the start. However, I find it hard to believe he has been static. Taking nothing away from Case, but TJ should get the start, because people writing him off like we've seen all we're ever going to from him is a conclusion I don't want to jump to.
kingtexan
All Pro
fify
I actually like Tj Yates. I'm not a UH fan.
I think Keenum has more of "it" than either Yates or Schaub.
drs23
Veteran
There is absolutely no room for rational thought processes on this topic. What, are you trying to get banned?
kingtexan
All Pro
I think it could be like the unknown Favre coming in to replace Majkowski.
Case strikes me as having that same passion for the game, and dude put up crazy numbers in college, not that it has to translate, but kid showed he could sling the rock.
Give him a chance.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
False Start
On # 69
He would have brought in Jeff George to challenge Brady for the backup spot.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I don't know what's more uncomfortable, our QB situation, or a grown ass man using the word 'swag' to evaluate our QB situation! Lol no harm intended 'king' just struck me like an assessment my 16 yr old daughter would give me. :smile:
markn
All Pro
Not a UHer, but I believe we should go with Keenum. "Schaub gives us the best chance of winning" - in principle I agree with this statement, and it's all about "chance" or probablility, and even though MS is the most likely to win, here's the reasoning behind CK getting a shot.
1. Medium term, Schaub is not the answer. TJ is not the answer.
2. Playing Keenum can work out one of three ways
A. He is amazing: super bowl baby! (1%)
B. He's about the same or maybe a little worse than the game-managing Schaub (90%)
C. He's garbage and we tank (9%)
3. Scenario B is essentially where we have been for the last 3 years. Maybe play-off quality, but not a real threat. I think we're all getting a little tired of this. Scenario A is wildly optimistic, highly unlikely, but hey the outcome is great. Scenario C is more intriguing, because we learn he's not the answer and can close that door, and as a side-effect, we end up with a better draft pick where we can hopefully find our QB of the future.
What's to lose?
1. Medium term, Schaub is not the answer. TJ is not the answer.
2. Playing Keenum can work out one of three ways
A. He is amazing: super bowl baby! (1%)
B. He's about the same or maybe a little worse than the game-managing Schaub (90%)
C. He's garbage and we tank (9%)
3. Scenario B is essentially where we have been for the last 3 years. Maybe play-off quality, but not a real threat. I think we're all getting a little tired of this. Scenario A is wildly optimistic, highly unlikely, but hey the outcome is great. Scenario C is more intriguing, because we learn he's not the answer and can close that door, and as a side-effect, we end up with a better draft pick where we can hopefully find our QB of the future.
What's to lose?
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
I think it was a reference to the fact that Rey's name in Spanish means King.
drs23
Veteran
I'm still wondering how so many of y'all can say, with a straight face, that we've seen what TJ is because of some games he played as a rookie. I was a huuuuge Keenum supporter (Aggie fan here, not UH) in preseason but I would go with Yates next week. Give him the full game plan and all the starters reps with Keenum getting the backup reps. I would also keep Schaub active in case Yates goes all Schaub, injury-wise and Keenum goes all Leinart, also injury-wise.
Yates looked excellent in PS. It looked to me like the game has slowed down for him and he would be able to handle pressure better. The biggest problem I see with all of this would be Kubiak not having full faith in him and Yates playing scared because he's on a short leash. If Kubiak makes a change at QB, it needs to be permanent.
That would also help evaluate the position for next season. We'll be lucky to sneak in as a wild card at this point, so why not go all in and make the change now? Maybe the team will rally around some fresh blood at the position.
Yates looked excellent in PS. It looked to me like the game has slowed down for him and he would be able to handle pressure better. The biggest problem I see with all of this would be Kubiak not having full faith in him and Yates playing scared because he's on a short leash. If Kubiak makes a change at QB, it needs to be permanent.
That would also help evaluate the position for next season. We'll be lucky to sneak in as a wild card at this point, so why not go all in and make the change now? Maybe the team will rally around some fresh blood at the position.
drs23
Veteran
I'm in. Gopher it Gary!
burro
probably drunk
MSR.
These are my thoughts exactly. Schaub can't go on like this, he's mentally damaged and probably irreparable as far as his career in Houston goes (I suspect he'll be starting for another team next year, for better or worse). Starting Schaub any further is the ultimate captain going down with the ship move and none of this matters - because it means that Gary has given up on keeping his job.
Moving forward - there's no upside to starting Yates. Opponents' game-planning for TJ would be identical to their game-planning for Schaub, with no guarantee that the execution would be any better.
There is no FA worthy of discussion (VY?
). That leaves only Keenum, who FWIW holds NCAA records in almost every relevant passing category and plays a style of football radically different from anything the Texans have put on the field. The worst that could happen is that Kubiak forces him into Matt's old role and refuses to adjust the offense to the new skill set that Keenum brings. Which is exactly what would happen if he ever saw the field.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Texan in Japan
Rookie
Agree! I'm a UofH grad, but I just believe Keenum has "it" and Schaub/Yates don't. Case flashed "it" many times during the preseason. What do we have to lose--Schaub's feelings? Yates current back-up rank? More games?
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
The way Matt has been playing lately, our O has no chance of playing how we supposed to play which is eating up clock and giving opponent pressure to play catch up game. With early pic 6s by Matt has been killing our game plan and I don't know what is happening to him but, this issue has to be addressed. It is very difficult decision to let backup QBs to play in a regular season game but, we need to find out what we have in backup QBs. I do not wish the Texans to throw away season at all. However, there's issue needs to be fixed and I think at least we should give backups a chance to prove and see how it turns out. Perhaps, let them play a half game each to see how they perform.
fiasco west
All Pro
If it does happen (I doubt it.) He's not going to just come out and say it.
I'm for Case Keenum, no ties to UH but he seemed to go through his reads pretty quickly and threw to whoever he saw open (unlike say...locking onto Andre for all of the game) and that usually makes a good QB in this league. Doesn't matter if he's drafted, undrafted, whatever.
Also from what I've read, the guy is driven and gutsy...
I'm for Case Keenum, no ties to UH but he seemed to go through his reads pretty quickly and threw to whoever he saw open (unlike say...locking onto Andre for all of the game) and that usually makes a good QB in this league. Doesn't matter if he's drafted, undrafted, whatever.
Also from what I've read, the guy is driven and gutsy...
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Sorry if I skipped someone saying this but when Yates was QB the O seemed more focused around Foster...and now Tate...which is the way it should be. At 21-3 yesterday Foster was still getting 5 yards a pop but they wanted Schaub to throw. Maybe running the ball and a game manager is what puts things on the right track. Just throwing that out.
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Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I guess I'll take a stab at it. I can't believe this thread has gone on this long.
There is absolutely no history to expect for Kubiak to make an in-season change. David Carr took a seat for less than half a game vs the Titans in 2006. Richard Smith gave up record stats in his first season and still managed to stay on another season. Kris Brown went Brad Lidge and was able to get another season afterwards. Frank Bush wasn't that long ago and we all know how that went.
Kubiak sticks with his guys...sink or swim.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Since when do we have to say whether or not we are fan of the school where a player comes from to validate our opinion of the player? It seems only UH fans need to state such credentials before giving an opinion.
I've never liked Kubiak and wish him fired and I am no fan of St. Pius HS or A&M.
I want Matt Schaub out and I'm not a fan of U of Virginia.
Thank you,
Showtime100
Texans fan
I've never liked Kubiak and wish him fired and I am no fan of St. Pius HS or A&M.
I want Matt Schaub out and I'm not a fan of U of Virginia.
Thank you,
Showtime100
Texans fan
Schaub=Lidge
Maybe
Keenum = Dotel.
Maybe
Keenum = Dotel.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
Yes, but how big does that "grain" have to be before it turns into just another salt lick for doe-eyed masses?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Not one person on this site has ever suggested that, but hey you are free to lie about it any way. Just don't get angry when you are called on it and are being written off as a troll.
Unless you can cite a post where someone even one person is suggesting that Keenum is the next Tom Brady.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Maybe him saying they think case is brady is a slight exaggeration but hes right about most people on here dimissing yates and assuming case will be better. Yates eserves his shot first. Hes earned it.
Since when do we have to say whether or not we are fan of the school where a player comes from to validate our opinion of the player? It seems only UH fans need to state such credentials before giving an opinion.
I've never liked Kubiak and wish him fired and I am no fan of St. Pius HS or A&M.
I want Matt Schaub out and I'm not a fan of U of Virginia.
Thank you,
Showtime100
Texans fan
Umm, I had to change my username during the 2006 draft just to have my opinion taken seriously. That was that I wanted no part of Reggie Bush because I thought he was going to be a bust. So cry me a river.