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- Thread starter gary
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You're never going to convince TK.
Meanwhile, that's a pick 6 three games in a row.
This is Gary's team. he's to blame. It looks like Gary is going to let the ship sink with Schaub at the controls. (Really sad)
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Marcus, a while back, I made it a point to go back and watch games Schaub pre-Lisfranc. You did not see him throwing off of his back foot (please dont look for the isolated exception, because Im sure someone can find it). You yourself have sustained a Lisfranc in the past, and have some pretty good understanding of its implications. However, the functional effect on a non-athlete vs. an athlete is very much different. You would better appreciate this difference if you made it a routine to jump up and down on the ball of your foot a couple of hours of each day. I would dare say that this would significantly negatively effect your daily routine functionality..........and more so over time. With prolonged rest (such as an offseason/preseason), athletic functionality to some extent can return. But with return again to the routine of continued stress being placed on the foot over a season, deterioration of the functionality as a rule is a given.
I'm ready to be convinced, but what I'm seeing contradicts what he is saying. Schaub did not live off his back foot. He threw the ball 49 times yesterday (& there's a post of mine comparing Schaub to Romo, you don't want them throwing the ball 50 times) I counted 5 where he threw it off his back foot & an offensive lineman in his lap was just as likely to cause that than any pain he might have been feeling.
As far as not planting & setting his feet while he's on the move, yes it could be because of pain from the LisFranc, I think it's more likely that he's a clumsy bastid.. always has been, always will be.
I've never played football at this level, but I've been part of many professional atmospheres & I know trying to assign blame is the way of a losing/unsuccessful organization.
So I'm not trying to assign blame on anyone, but...... Matt didn't throw that ball to Richard Sherman. He put it up in desperation to allow his guy to make a play. Sherman knocked OD out of the way to get the ball. Like I said, not trying to level blame, but I don't think it would be too much to ask our receivers to go after the ball & not just wait on it. Three or his interceptions have been to OD. Two of them he was beat to the ball by more physical players.
So you say it aint going to get any better?
There are different grades of LisFrancs, and different severities. Mine was particularly bad. 2 plates, 9 screws, which were never taken out, 2 fusions and bone graft. All of that adds up to permanent decrease in foot mobility. If Schaub had a LisFranc as bad as mine, he'd be done. Period.
Schaub made it back to training camp from his LisFranc, which I predicted would NOT happen. I was proven wrong, because I didn't know the details. Ryan Clady of the Broncos has been lost for the season because of a LisFranc, but if that's all they going to say about it, that doesn't tell me squat.
So, is this throwing his back foot due to lack of mobility from the LisFranc? I don't know. But wouldn't logic state that if it did, it would have shown up last season right after his injury? That would portend some kind of deterioration in his foot. Unless . . . He chose not to have fusions done, in order to keep playing. Who knows.
But if Kubiak decides to yank him, he'll dream up an injury, just like when he stashes players on reserve in training camp. But it would shock me to the core if he goes anywhere near that foot.
It's worse than that. I got this off the Texans/Seahawk recap page; bottom left in the "Research Notes" section...
Porky
Hall of Fame
How much does a hitman cost?
Oh, don't worry Schaub fans. This one is for Fat Albert.
Albert Haynesworth Is Proud of Hurting Matt Schaub
Oh, don't worry Schaub fans. This one is for Fat Albert.
Albert Haynesworth Is Proud of Hurting Matt Schaub
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Marcus is absolutely correct. There are varying degrees of this injury. However, as compared to a non-athlete, it takes a much lesser Lisfranc to take down an athlete.
I've never known anyone who has had a Lisfranc injury (surprised that it's named after a horseman and I've never seen one) but I've experienced the opposite in my journey. Injuries that would stop a normal person barely slow down a professional athlete. I've ridden bulls and broncs with broken bones and all kinds of sprained everything's. Duration of activity and pain tolerance comes into play there.
I guess the closest I can come to understanding the Lisfranc injury would be reconstructive shoulder surgery. That was pure hell and I never want to go through it again. I will never again ride anything that bucks or even do anything that might reinjure my shoulder ( including a lot of exercises that strengthen my shoulder) nor will I ever have needed surgery on my left shoulder unless the pain becomes intolerable(see the exercise comment earlier). If a lesser Lisfranc injury can make an NFL player not be able to perform, then it's a much worse injury than I thought. Duration of activity and pain tolerance comes into play there, as well.
handswarmer
Rookie
You cannot fracture a ligament. The Lisfranc Ligament is displaced when the foot is fractured
Lisfranc injury is a fracture of one of the metatarsal bones in your foot.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I dont need to see Matt Schmuck get hurt. The closest I got to wishing him ill will was hoping he'd throw a pick six in OT to lose the SEA game and maybe that would get him benched. He threw the pick six in regulation and lost the game but this bumb haven;t been benched. He must have pics of Kubiak's frat day doing something with the farm animals.
But for sure Scmucks pee pee got hurt since he took down his twitter. Poor baby.
But for sure Scmucks pee pee got hurt since he took down his twitter. Poor baby.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
A lisfranc injury can exist where the metatarsal is dislocated.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
the mocking of schaub shows that we are great fans. a great fan is someone who is honest and tells it like it is. It shows passion. It shows that we care about our team and that we dont like what is going on.
A bad fan is someone who keeps on rooting for people who dont get the job done. That's how someone like Gary Kubiak and Matt Schaub can keep getting contract extensions.
You should live in north korea instead of america. Kim Jong Un would love your undying loyalty.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Did you bother to read the OP?
Hoping for a member of your team to get injured is not some form of admirable super fan.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
It's not?
JJ bled all over the field, so my sacrificial requirements for the loss were already met.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Perhaps you should follow FUn fair football if harsh criticism is something you can't handle. The criticism is warranted and mocking Matt schmuck is all part of being a fan just like being a homer is.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
http://blog.chron.com/foodchronicle...-wants-to-give-you-a-free-burrito/?cmpid=hpts
While most of us don't want to see Matt schmuck get hurt taqueria arandas must want to at least try to give him food poisoning. Why else would they offer a free burrito to anyone named Matt? I guess it's not the same as seeing him get benched but if he has to stay on the potty that'll work too.
While most of us don't want to see Matt schmuck get hurt taqueria arandas must want to at least try to give him food poisoning. Why else would they offer a free burrito to anyone named Matt? I guess it's not the same as seeing him get benched but if he has to stay on the potty that'll work too.
gary
Hall of Fame
The mocking is bad and out of hand this is a game in the end. A team loss not a Schaub loss in the books. Loyalty? No. Different approach? Yes.
Saying stuff like this... I really wonder how long you've been following this team. You're bringing in crap that we dealt with 4 years ago.
Even the most diehard friend of Kubiak was wanting him gone after 2010. This place was on fire when we heard about that contract.
What you're seeing now, is people coming to terms with what we've got to work with. If McNair was doing things the way we'd like,..... pssh
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Kubes needs to realize that Schaub is the cinderblock dragging him to the bottom of the river and cut him loose. He has to understand that this season will, whether we want it or not, not cause him to lose his job. He might as well take a chance on one of the backups at this point, because the worst that could happen is that we keep losing and we're already losing at this point.
Yates and Keenum play with more grit than Schaub. I can't speak for Keenum but I remember Yates playing tall in the pocket. He looked more like a leader in that playoff clinching drive in Cincinnati than Schaub has ever looked in a long time.
Yates and Keenum play with more grit than Schaub. I can't speak for Keenum but I remember Yates playing tall in the pocket. He looked more like a leader in that playoff clinching drive in Cincinnati than Schaub has ever looked in a long time.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This is definitely true..........when you are discussing REHAB.........but NOT when you are discussing a DEGENERATIVE situation once rehab is successfully completed. In the latter situation, the athlete will be left much more negatively effected in the performance of carrying out his expected activities than a non-athlete.
Allegra
Practice Squad
I should not laugh at that...I should not laugh at that...I should not laugh at that....
Aw, what the heck. I need a laugh after what I witnessed at Reliant Sunday. While dealing with that stomach crud that's going around and being unable to even have a couple of beers to dull the agony.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I'm with Gary on this. Go listen to Tim Hasselbeck talk about that play call & formation. When the "best" outcome of a critical play call is taking a sack, the OC failed the team. And about AJ dropping that pass & Nuk blowing the fake & KJ's penalty.
Not everyone, TK.
gary
Hall of Fame
You don't have to read it.
Blake
MMQB
To figure out what the **** the thread is about, yes I do. Its not that hard to put a title that actually tells us what the thread is about.
gary
Hall of Fame
There are not rules about it but next I will do that. Some get way too bent out of shape over things instead of asking on the MB. Oh well, goes with the thread subject I guess. I see your point sorry.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Gary, I'm sure what Blake is referring to is that when you post such a nondescript thread title, there is no hint as to what the subject may be about, or what the contents may hold. It also makes it virtually impossible to use it in the forum search to retrieve any relevant material.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If you're this upset over a thread title you've got more issues than just getting Schaubed.
rolyat93
Waterboy
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Did it really hurt that much to click the mouse?
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Because Matt was the only Texan to score points for the other team.
I guess you dont count Tate's fumble that gave the hawks 3?
gary
Hall of Fame
Word.
Exascor
Veteran
This isn't addressed to me but... I don't have time to click on every single post. Gary actually has a great point but with this title it REQUIRES a click just to see what it's about. Glad I clicked but a better title would have made it a "must read" instead of a "wonder what this is about".
Now back to your regularly scheduled program...err thread.
I am not saying that Tate is without blame, but to consider Schaub's failures equal to Tate's is stupidity in my eyes.
1. Tate is a backup and a third year vet. Schaub is a 10 year vet, a starting QB, and getting paid a crap ton more money than him and Tate are ever worth combined. Schaub should NOT be making the mistakes he makes anymore. Tate I expect to make young player mistakes every now and then.
2. Schaub was lucky as hell he ended the game with just a single pick six. 2 other of his throws under pressure could have easily been pick 6's as well. The other thing is, with Schaub this is a trend extending back how many games now (not just pick 6's but INT's as well)?
3. People wanting Schaub's head on a pike is not just because of this game or even this season. People have been wanting this guy's head for a while now and for good reason; we can't beat good teams with him.
This is just my 2 cents. I personally hate the fact that Schaub is still on our team. I would LOVE for him to get benched or if it has to come down to it, get hurt so we can play someone else. Will they be better? Who knows. I honestly think they cannot realistically play anymore worse than the crap we seen from Schaub.
1. Tate is a backup and a third year vet. Schaub is a 10 year vet, a starting QB, and getting paid a crap ton more money than him and Tate are ever worth combined. Schaub should NOT be making the mistakes he makes anymore. Tate I expect to make young player mistakes every now and then.
2. Schaub was lucky as hell he ended the game with just a single pick six. 2 other of his throws under pressure could have easily been pick 6's as well. The other thing is, with Schaub this is a trend extending back how many games now (not just pick 6's but INT's as well)?
3. People wanting Schaub's head on a pike is not just because of this game or even this season. People have been wanting this guy's head for a while now and for good reason; we can't beat good teams with him.
This is just my 2 cents. I personally hate the fact that Schaub is still on our team. I would LOVE for him to get benched or if it has to come down to it, get hurt so we can play someone else. Will they be better? Who knows. I honestly think they cannot realistically play anymore worse than the crap we seen from Schaub.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I don't really want him to get hurt, at least not something permanent, but I remember when we did the Jags a favor their coaches couldn't do when we took Gabbert out of their lineup. If somebody takes Schaub out of ours, they do the team a favor the coaches can't do.
gary
Hall of Fame
Then the coaches should be evaluated.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I don't live in Houston, but if this board is any indication of what Houston Texans fans are, this fanbase doesn't deserve a winner. We deserve the Browns. We deserve the Raiders. We deserve the Bills.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Rep to you bro!
badboy
Hall of Fame
To save you time and extra wear on index finger which could be used for scratching and digging, you can simply allow cursor to hover on thread topic and see what it says without the "click".
Exascor
Veteran
Or...maybe I access these forums by cell phone, use Tapatalk and it has no "hover on thread topic" available. It also takes minutes to load new threads sometimes due to crappy cell service at work. Strange that different people might have different situations huh?
It's Kubiak's own fault. No one would be mad at the Texans for not winning the Super Bowl if he didn't build a team capable of winning the Super Bowl.
We could be the Browns, throwing a parade for a 3 game win streak.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
So wait... even the bad fans are Kubiak's fault? I hope you were kidding and I missed the sarcasm.