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We don't look as good as the Broncos

Uncle Rico said:
Good teams will find ways to win even when they don't deserve it, and that's what the Texans have done
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Do you think San Diego deserved to win? They started out great, but couldn't put a drive together to secure the W.

Titans certainly did not outplay our team. Their defense is stout... the way they were back in the day. But offensively... & talk about bad play calling... We found someone Kubiak can "consistently" out-coach.

We might not have deserved to win, but they sure as heck didn't.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you think San Diego deserved to win? They started out great, but couldn't put a drive together to secure the W.

Titans certainly did not outplay our team. Their defense is stout... the way they were back in the day. But offensively... & talk about bad play calling... We found someone Kubiak can "consistently" out-coach.

We might not have deserved to win, but they sure as heck didn't.
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Not only did San Diego move the ball well and look pretty crisp against us, they did the same against Philly, and took the W. I'm sure they're kicking themselves knowing that they could be 2-0. I just feel that the Texans have way too much talent on the field at all times, save special teams. If the players can put it all together they dominate, as was the case from about the 9 minute mark in the 3rd quarter of that game. I just wish the team was more consistent, but its still early.

Titans had 2 good drives against the team, actually one - one of the opening drives IIRC. The other touchdown drive was courtesy of Kareem just not having his head in the game in that 3rd quarter drive where he head butt the receiver and then got beat for the TD. Other than that I felt the defense was playing at a high level. You have to give credit to that Titan defense, they are good. I wont be surprised to see that squad as a top 10 defense, but again with Foster,Johnson,Tate,Daniels,Hopkins ... that's a lot of firepower. Im waiting to see the offense just start lighting people up. I freaking love Munch, I wish him the best there, but he doesn't really have a lot to work with, doesn't excuse the crazy use of timeouts and weird plays, I just don't think he's all that confident with what he has, or maybe he's just not head coach material, book is still out.
 
Why not? Because they have that one player that:

Tied the NFL record for TDs in a game.
12x Pro Bowler
Fastest to 4,00 completions
Fastest to 400 passing touchdowns

And dozens of many more records...
 
We tryin' to win titles in September? Is this what's hot on the streets?

I preach 1-0 every week, and we got folks looking for Lombardi before the 1st day of Autumn.

I can't even...TK, you're my guy...but looking impressive now? It's nice and all, but you'll see Sunday when the Jags make the Seahawks sweat. NFL is so week to week, it's unreal.
 
Ur right who have they Beaten Ravens n giants OK LOL

we beat the AFC western Champ and a WC team ....... :P
 
Does anyone want to change their opinion based on the fact that the Broncos lost their All-Pro OT for the year?

I wonder what happens if Peyton takes a nasty blindside hit? I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he may play a little (for lack of a better word) scared without Clady.
 
House of Pain said:
Does anyone want to change their opinion based on the fact that the Broncos lost their All-Pro OT for the year?

I wonder what happens if Peyton takes a nasty blindside hit? I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he may play a little (for lack of a better word) scared without Clady.
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This is a HUGE loss. Equivalent to us losing Duane for the season.
 
Peyton will make it work..He may be a little less comfy back there, but i don't think its going to effect him or them as a team very much. Taking everything into consideration, Losing Clady probably knocks 1-2 pts off of what they've been scoring this year...not a big deal imo.

but......

when you consider that their defense is still missing Miller & Bailey, those 1-2 pts can easily be gained back when those guys come back.
 
thunderkyss said:
Here's ESPN's Power Rankings.


For comparison purposes,

We beat 16 & 22
The Broncos beat 11 & 20
The Ravens lost to 2 & beat 31
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I see your ESPN rankings and "call" you with CBS's Prisco's Power Rankings

We beat #17 (SD) and #19 (Tenn.)
The Broncos beat #15 (Ravens) and #22 (Giants).

Now I'll raise you with Kirwin's CBS Power Rankings
We beat #15 (SD) and #18 (Tenn.)
The Broncos beat #17 (Ravens) and #22 (Giants)

Depending on which list you wanna believe, our wins were against higher (or at least equal) caliber teams.


keep it up... I like this game
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Man.... I remember a time when we'd look at power rankings and rejoice because we were up in the twenties...
 
Gee whizz. With 14 games left for every team to play I'm sure we can just give up on the Texans now because The Great Forehead still breathes.

**** Manning. I hope we crush him into tiny bits of dust when he comes to Reliant. Then we can hang replicas of his forehead in all the urinals.
 
thunderkyss said:
Here's ESPN's Power Rankings.


For comparison purposes,

We beat 16 & 22
The Broncos beat 11 & 20
The Ravens lost to 2 & beat 31
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The rankings aren't going to tell us anything at this point in the season. The Chargers and Titans weren't ranked high on anyone's list before the season started and they're both only 1-1 right now. The Ravens will be ranked a bit higher than they should because it's early in the season and they won the Super Bowl last year. The Giants are 0-2 and with another loss against Carolina (not predicting it) could fall even further in the rankings.
 
ObsiWan said:
Depending on which list you wanna believe, our wins were against higher (or at least equal) caliber teams.
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If our opponents are better, they're not that much better. Roughly equal teams, Denver with all their issues look better than we do with no issues.

ObsiWan said:
keep it up... I like this game
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People might say they don't care for power rankings, or that power rankings don't mean anything.... then they turn around & say, "We barely beat the Titans!" insinuating what the power rankings quantify.

ObsiWan said:
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Man.... I remember a time when we'd look at power rankings and rejoice because we were up in the twenties...
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The good ole days... when every game was the most important in team history. :boogereater:
 
thunderkyss said:
If our opponents are better, they're not that much better. Roughly equal teams, Denver with all their issues look better than we do with no issues.
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no issues?
NO ISSUES?!?
Whaddaymean "no issues"...??

- the Right side of our O-line still isn't up to snuff.
- our LT has turf toe and plays like he lost 50 lbs instead of just 5
- everyone wanted our starting FS (Keo) cut before the season started
- the guy who should be starting in his place has a walker and is suspected to be a member of AARP
- our kicker has issues... not sure if they're technique-related or in his head but he has issues
- Antonio Smiff is overpaid and should have been traded
- our OLBs can't get any freakin' pressure on opposing QBs
- the defensive backfield can't cover anybody (am I the only one who noticed that our one and ONLY INT has come from a LB)
- Our QB is Matt "noodle-arm/check down/fetal position/never-audible/slower-than-continental drift" Schaub


...did I mention Bob McNair is cheap?

...no issues
 
It's mainly Manning and Elway. (Better leadership)

The Broncos are 2-0 without Miller/Bailey

Can you imagine the Texans being 2-0 without Watt/Cushing?
 
Thorn said:
Gee whizz. With 14 games left for every team to play I'm sure we can just give up on the Texans now because The Great Forehead still breathes.

**** Manning. I hope we crush him into tiny bits of dust when he comes to Reliant. Then we can hang replicas of his forehead in all the urinals.
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Agreed. Contrary to popular belief, a 37 year old Peyton Manning behind a damaged o-line is not the scariest thing in the NFL at the moment. He's having a good season, but we are #4 in total defense and the Giants and Ravens are #20 and 22# respectively.
 
Its WEEK 2 people. I don't understand this thread. Teams like the titans, chargers, and chefs have all improved. Colts picked up T Richardson. We play the NFC West (toughest division) and Pats/Broncos.

If people are not preparing themselves for one hell of a tough season ahead, then they are doing themselves a disservice.

Injuries are going to keep piling up for everyone. Not even the Broncos are safe right now. And who the hell knows who will be in form (Ravens 12), come playoff time?

Can't we just worry about the Ravens already? This game is FAR from a gimme even with Duane Brown and we need to be 3-0 heading into Hawks and 9ers.
 
Does anyone recognize that Manning, in the playoffs, is a lot like the Texans on offense (historically)? Great between the twenty's (getting to the playoffs) but not great at sealing the deal (1 SB win in how many attempts, not to mention HFA throughout)?
As another member posted, Manning is very, very good at beating a weak sister. He doesn't fare as well against elite opponents, especially in the post season.

There's more to a team than who plays QB. Since Peyton joined the league, six teams have won the Super Bowl without an elite QB. I don't count Eli Manning (twice), Big Ben (twice), or Trent Dilfer as elite QB's. Manning was the beneficiary of two incredible catches and a butt ton of luck, Big Ben had the vaunted Steelers defenses and Trent Dilfer just had to manage to keep from screwing the pooch and not fumble the game away or throw a stupid pick (something I can see Schaub doing all to easily in the big game).

That doesn't include all of the particular big breaks a Super Bowl winning team got, regardless of the QB, just to get to the big game.

The Texans look fine. They have some issues, but all teams do. The Broncos are 2-0 against 0-2 teams. The Texans are 2-0 against 1-1 teams. If the Chargers and tAcks played the Giants, Browns, Ravens and Eagles in weeks 1 and 2 they'd be, at worst, 3-1 combined. The Eagles might be a surprise this year.

Every team is different every year.
 
DocBar said:
Does anyone recognize that Manning, in the playoffs, is a lot like the Texans on offense (historically)? Great between the twenty's (getting to the playoffs) but not great at sealing the deal (1 SB win in how many attempts, not to mention HFA throughout)?
As another member posted, Manning is very, very good at beating a weak sister. He doesn't fare as well against elite opponents, especially in the post season.

There's more to a team than who plays QB. Since Peyton joined the league, six teams have won the Super Bowl without an elite QB. I don't count Eli Manning (twice), Big Ben (twice), or Trent Dilfer as elite QB's. Manning was the beneficiary of two incredible catches and a butt ton of luck, Big Ben had the vaunted Steelers defenses and Trent Dilfer just had to manage to keep from screwing the pooch and not fumble the game away or throw a stupid pick (something I can see Schaub doing all to easily in the big game).

That doesn't include all of the particular big breaks a Super Bowl winning team got, regardless of the QB, just to get to the big game.

The Texans look fine. They have some issues, but all teams do. The Broncos are 2-0 against 0-2 teams. The Texans are 2-0 against 1-1 teams. If the Chargers and tAcks played the Giants, Browns, Ravens and Eagles in weeks 1 and 2 they'd be, at worst, 3-1 combined. The Eagles might be a surprise this year.

Every team is different every year.
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Yeah, people for some reason like to ignore Manning's playoff woes. For all of the flack that Favre gets for INT's in the post season, Manning has had a ton of them as well in the same fashion, yet you never hear people talk about it for some reason. The guy has lost the majority of his playoff games to INT's that he threw at the end of games.

He is still Manning though, and I still think he can be dangerous in the post season especially with a loaded team that he currently has.
 
Texecutioner said:
Where the hell is that guy? He used to get this board roaring.
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He started his own board/forum a couple of years ago. Fantasy baseball IIRC. I don't remember if he posted it here or he PM'd me but he said that was eating all of his time and he'd pop in here ever so often. I think I've seen post twice since.

That's all I got. idonno:
 
Didn't read the entire thread, just responding to the OP:

Denver won their first two games, as did Houston. Denver may have won more impressively, but football games do not take place in a bubble. One cannot compare two games between four different teams as there are so many variables that contribute to the end result.

Take the Patriots, for example. Do you think anyone is seriously doubting their chances to contend for a Super Bowl based on their less than dominating victories in weeks 1 and 2?

I think as fans we sometimes overthink things. It doesn't matter how the team is perceived right now by ourselves or the general media, or by other teams. What matters is whether or not we win the games on our schedule. It also doesn't matter what another team is doing independently of ours. If Denver had beaten us and Peyton thrown for 500 yds and 8 TDs, then yes, that would be cause for concern because they are a potential playoff matchup. However, what they did to other teams that we have not played is irrelevant to the Texans right now.

Even if we lose to a Ravens team that Denver beat, that does not mean we cannot beat Denver should we play them. It just means that we lost to the Ravens that day.

Power Rankings do not decide playoff seedings, especially after week 2.
 
This time last year, "everyone" new the Broncos (1-2) were a work in progress. We knew they would be a better team, a much better team before the year was over.

I'm seeing Hopkins & Posey opening up our offense.
I see Brooks & Newton getting better on that right side.
I see Arian getting better as the year progresses
I see Whitney Mercilus being the guy Wade thought he was.
I see a healthier Schaub than I've seen in at lest 2 years.

What am I missing? Why aren't we all seeing that we're on our way to being a much better team than we were in 2012 ( a team lucky to win 12 games) & much closer to that 2011 team (that should have won the Super Bowl)?
 
thunderkyss said:
This time last year, "everyone" new the Broncos (1-2) were a work in progress. We knew they would be a better team, a much better team before the year was over.

I'm seeing Hopkins & Posey opening up our offense.
I see Brooks & Newton getting better on that right side.
I see Arian getting better as the year progresses
I see Whitney Mercilus being the guy Wade thought he was.
I see a healthier Schaub than I've seen in at lest 2 years.

What am I missing? Why aren't we all seeing that we're on our way to being a much better team than we were in 2012 ( a team lucky to win 12 games) & much closer to that 2011 team (that should have won the Super Bowl)?
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Because the qb has been playing like crap.

Chances are we'll improve as the yr goes on. Problem is, so will other teams.

I keep trying to excuse kubiak and wonder if his coaching style would change under different conditions but the qb issues is just one problem I have. I don't believe this team believes in the qb to make plays and I don't think kubiak believes it either so he overemphasizes not making mistakes.

FB drops a pass on the opening drive = total melt down. Qb is unable to make p for it, kubiak gets the upset stomach face and guys tighten up. These guys don't play loose. It's just a big circle that revolves around the qb and head coach and no one can escape.

It's fine when you play other teams that shoot themselves in the foot or aren't vey talented, but when we face other good teams playing good football we crumble.
 
I still think Schaub looks healthier than he has in a long, long time. People are goin to change the way they think about Matt Schaub.

We see what Ben & Eli look like without elite running games & above average offensive lines. We see what that New England offnes looks like without "the right" play-makers. We saw what the Saints looked like without a defense.

Schaub ain't the only one who needs a little help. He's going to take care of thatt winnning thing this year & fix the perspective on Matt Schaub.

No doubt.

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thunderkyss said:
This time last year, "everyone" new the Broncos (1-2) were a work in progress. We knew they would be a better team, a much better team before the year was over.

I'm seeing Hopkins & Posey opening up our offense.
I see Brooks & Newton getting better on that right side.
I see Arian getting better as the year progresses
I see Whitney Mercilus being the guy Wade thought he was.
I see a healthier Schaub than I've seen in at lest 2 years.

What am I missing? Why aren't we all seeing that we're on our way to being a much better team than we were in 2012 ( a team lucky to win 12 games) & much closer to that 2011 team (that should have won the Super Bowl)?
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Unfortunately, I see Kubiak/ Dennison not being willing to adjust game plans enough to encompass the improved talent at key positions or adjust accordingly to accommodate injuries/inconsistencies on the OL.

Phillips seems to be able to adjust his defenses to counter tactics on a weekly basis. To be honest, neither Phillips or Kubiak/ Dennison adjust nearly as quickly as we fans would like. Kubiak and Dennison seem a lot less keen on dictating the action through changing tactics than reinforcing the "I will impose my will on you" mantra, whether through running or passing. How many fans almost had cardiac arrest on the fake punt in the Chargers game?
 
thunderkyss said:
I still think Schaub looks healthier than he has in a long, long time. People are goin to change the way they think about Matt Schaub.

We see what Ben & Eli look like without elite running games & above average offensive lines. We see what that New England offnes looks like without "the right" play-makers. We saw what the Saints looked like without a defense.

Schaub ain't the only one who needs a little help. He's going to take care of thatt winnning thing this year & fix the perspective on Matt Schaub.

No doubt.

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I wonder if it is Schaub or if it is Schaub and the playcalling. Our offense was much more open in the second half of the Chargers game and Titans game. We didn't even make any throws past 10-15 yards last game. That's what I never understood. Yes, Schaub was taking a lot of pressure, but still you gotta be more aggressive with the play calls.

A screen pass on 4th and 2 is a downright stupid playcall. That said, Schaub has to play better also. If the pocket collapses he needs to move and do something.
 
DocBar said:
To be honest, neither Phillips or Kubiak/ Dennison adjust nearly as quickly as we fans would like. Kubiak and Dennison seem a lot less keen on dictating the action through changing tactics than reinforcing the "I will impose my will on you" mantra, whether through running or passing. How many fans almost had cardiac arrest on the fake punt in the Chargers game?
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Maybe it's not as easy as you think it is.

If you can bring yourself to do it, watch the Tennessee game again. There's a lot of what you're looking for in there. We're just missing by inches. I feel in a few more games, you're going to see exactly what you're looking for.

Maybe we're going a little slower than any of us would like..... but maybe it'll stick, you know what I mean?
 
hradhak said:
I wonder if it is Schaub or if it is Schaub and the playcalling. Our offense was much more open in the second half of the Chargers game and Titans game. We didn't even make any throws past 10-15 yards last game. That's what I never understood. Yes, Schaub was taking a lot of pressure, but still you gotta be more aggressive with the play calls.

A screen pass on 4th and 2 is a downright stupid playcall. That said, Schaub has to play better also. If the pocket collapses he needs to move and do something.
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The 4th & 2 was asinine. That was on Kubiak.... actually Schaub should have had the balls to say, "WTF...... I got this." & if I'm Kubiak, I'm getting tired of waiting for him to say it. I think Elway, Young, maybe even Griese had to command that kind of respect from Kubiak/Schanahan. I don't believe it should be "given" to a QB. When we're in crunch time, you want to know your QB, your field general is as invested in the play as you are.

The other plays... not throwing deep unless we're down by two scores... that's on Schaub. Don't just look at the guy who catches the ball. Look at the other receivers. There's usually a shallow, mid, deep route, Schaub chooses to throw to someone other than the deep guy.

The deep route is usually the "riskiest" in Schaubspeak, "we take what the defense gives us, they take away Andre..." When it gets real, he'll challenge two deep coverage, but when Kubiak will call plays that will open Andre against those coverages... why?

He trusts that Kubiak will call those plays at the appropriate time. He usually does.
 
thunderkyss said:
I still think Schaub looks healthier than he has in a long, long time. People are goin to change the way they think about Matt Schaub.

We see what Ben & Eli look like without elite running games & above average offensive lines. We see what that New England offnes looks like without "the right" play-makers. We saw what the Saints looked like without a defense.

Schaub ain't the only one who needs a little help. He's going to take care of thatt winnning thing this year & fix the perspective on Matt Schaub.

No doubt.

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I've seen all those qb's regularly make plays when the play breaks down. And I've said this a million times and so have nfl players: Our offense doesn't put as much in the qb as some other offenses.

I guarantee that if you put Schaub in those other guys' offenses and ask him to do what they are doing playmaking wise, he'd be much worse. This offense makes Schaub and everyone else that plats qb in it look a little better than they are.

Schaub can't do what any of those guys can do. He's not a playmaker. Yes he will pull a blue moon out of his ass every now and then, but that's not his M.O.

The comparisons don't work.

Take it fwiw, but some media guys are saying that there are quite a few guys in the locker room that will privately admit that they don't believe Schaub is good enough.

I think Derrick Ward was spot on with his Eli/Schaub comparison. Eli isn't even the greatest qb in the world, but Eli in this offense would be 100x better that what we have now.
 
Rey said:
I've seen all those qb's regularly make plays when the play breaks down.

Schaub can't do what any of those guys can do. He's not a playmaker. Yes he will pull a blue moon out of his ass every now and then, but that's not his M.O.
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No doubt about it, but even with that advantage Schaub gets similar results. Maybe it's the offense but we saw this offense take a major step back in efficiency when the more mobile Yates came in. I'd like to think we'd get what Schaub does before the play breaks down in addition to what Ben & Eli can do after... But that's not the point.

Schaub in this offense is equivalent to them in theirs for all intents & purposes.

& Schaub has been finding that blue moon situation in every game we've played so far.

Rey said:
Take it fwiw, but some media guys are saying that there are quite a few guys in the locker room that will privately admit that they don't believe Schaub is good enough.

I think Derrick Ward was spot on with his Eli/Schaub comparison. Eli isn't even the greatest qb in the world, but Eli in this offense would be 100x better that what we have now.
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Maybe why Derrick Ward isn't collecting a paycheck from the NFL these days. If there are guys in that locker room who don't believe in Schaub that's on Schaub & says more about his leadership than his play on the field which I am not debating at this time.

He looks good to me... Better than he did before the injury. We weren't undefeated then, I don't expect us to be now. He threw interceptions then I don't over react when I see them now. He had stinker games, I expect a couple of stinkers in the future. So far, Eli & Ben have had more stinkers than Schaub.

He's not as big as Ben, not as tough as Eli, or Flacco for that matter. But in this offense he's as good as any of them in theirs & therefore can win a SuperBowl if everybody does their job like JPp & Strahan & Hicks & Cruz helped Eli. Or Bettis, Ward, Harrison, & Palamalu helped Ben.
 
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thunderkyss said:
No doubt about it, but even with that advantage Schaub gets similar results. Maybe it's the offense but we saw this offense take a major step back in efficiency when the more mobile Yates came in. I'd like to think we'd get what Schaub does before the play breaks down in addition to what Ben & Eli can do after... But that's not the point.

Schaub in this offense is equivalent to them in theirs for all intents & purposes.

& Schaub has been finding that blue moon situation in every game we've played so far.



Maybe why Derrick Ward isn't collecting a paycheck from the NFL these days. If their are guys in that locker room who don't believe in Schaub that's on Schaub & says more about his leadership than his play on the field which I am not debating at this time.

He looks good to me... Better than he did before the injury. We weren't undefeated then, I don't expect us to be now. He threw interceptions then I don't over react when I see them now. He had stinker games, I expect a couple of stinkers in the future. So far, Eli & Ben have had more stinkers than Schaub.

He's not as big as Ben, not as tough as Eli, or Flacco for that matter. But in this offense he's as good as any of them in theirs & therefore can win a SuperBowl if everybody does their job like JPp & Strahan & Hicks & Cruz helped Eli. Or Bettis, Ward, Harrison, & Palamalu helped Ben.
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JJWatt, Brian Cushing, Arian Foster, Andre Johnson and company are the problem?

No I believe its more on Schaub, then Kubiak before anyone else.
 
thunderkyss said:
The deep route is usually the "riskiest" in Schaubspeak, "we take what the defense gives us, they take away Andre..." When it gets real, he'll challenge two deep coverage, but when Kubiak will call plays that will open Andre against those coverages... why?

He trusts that Kubiak will call those plays at the appropriate time. He usually does.
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I have never understood the coach and Schaub mentality of the deep pass being more dangerous. Schaub's pick six's have been less than 10 yards down field. Throw it deep and you open up those short routes. I would rather throw an INT 40 yards downfield and keep the safety back than throw dink and dunk all game to then have the route jumped. At least with the deep pick it is like a punt (maybe not a Lechler punt)
 
handswarmer said:
JJWatt, Brian Cushing, Arian Foster, Andre Johnson and company are the problem?

No I believe its more on Schaub, then Kubiak before anyone else.
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Before our play off run, we said we needed the run game to show up & the defense to show up. They made plays, the same way Schaub threw completions, but they didn't show up the way we needed them to show up.

It's not on Schaub/Kubiak anymore than it's on anyone else on the team. As elite as Flacco played the Ravens would have finished in second place if Ray Lewis & his defense didn't make that goal line stand with less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th qtr. and Flacco being able to "lead" the Ravens to a Championship would still be theoretical. They would have exited the divisional round if Jacoby didn't step it up & make the play he made to extend the game.

As romantic as the notion of the Championship winning QB is... Teams win Championships.
 
thunderkyss said:
Before our play off run, we said we needed the run game to show up & the defense to show up. They made plays, the same way Schaub threw completions, but they didn't show up the way we needed them to show up.

It's not on Schaub/Kubiak anymore than it's on anyone else on the team. As elite as Flacco played the Ravens would have finished in second place if Ray Lewis & his defense didn't make that goal line stand with less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th qtr. and Flacco being able to "lead" the Ravens to a Championship would still be theoretical. They would have exited the divisional round if Jacoby didn't step it up & make the play he made to extend the game.

As romantic as the notion of the Championship winning QB is... Teams win Championships.
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Teams win championships but QB's that throw pick 6's like they're going out of style loses games and keeps teams from getting to the championship game. QB is about the only position you can't have subpar play at and win consistently with out the rest of the team playing lights out.

Just look at the azz whipping Denver is putting on Phillie.
 
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