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1st Round- DeAndre Hopkins WR Texans

76Texan said:
It looked a bit shaky at first, but when Hopkins came through with that low catch, I'm sure Schaub feels much more confident going to him.
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You naillin it on the QB confidence and that is why Hopkins hands will make up for lack of blazing speed. MS zeroes in on AJ and OD who hang onto the ball. IMO, we have two more option for MS now including Cierre Wood who will eventually get on field and earn his confidence as a receiving RB. Sure I am crazy but wait and see.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's not right.

Maybe you're trying to be funny. Sure we had high hopes that LeStar & KeShawn could beat out KDub for that roster spot. But we shouldn't be comparing Hopkins to them.

That's like looking at every Texans' milestone in relation to the Chiefs or the Lions... or Buffalo. We've turned that corner & should be comparing ourselves to New England, Pittsburgh, & Dallas (yes..... Dallas).
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I don't see why we shouldn't compare them to DeAndre.

One of my points was that DeAndre is already producing. Granted, it's one game but after that one game, he's already looking the way you want a first rounder to look. I think it's interesting that he already has as almost as many catches as Keshawn and Lestar did last year.

One of my other points is that it looks like he's already a part of this offense and that Schaub is trusting him and finding him.

ANOTHER one of my points is... did you see the Lestar Jean ypc? Holy crap!
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't see why we shouldn't compare them to DeAndre.

One of my points was that DeAndre is already producing. Granted, it's one game but after that one game, he's already looking the way you want a first rounder to look. I think it's interesting that he already has as almost as many catches as Keshawn and Lestar did last year.

One of my other points is that it looks like he's already a part of this offense and that Schaub is trusting him and finding him.

ANOTHER one of my points is... did you see the Lestar Jean ypc? Holy crap!
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Of course it's not a fair comparison. Deandre is a 1st round pick. He's EXPECTED to contribute. He's EXPECTED to be a star. That's what teams expect from 1st rounders.

Keshawn was a lower draft pick. He was forced into a role last year due to lack of depth.
 
I loved that jump ball thrown at him in the end zone when he was single covered, even though it went incomplete. But as time goes, DeAndre is going to learn how to either catch that ball more often or cause a PI call.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't see why we shouldn't compare them to DeAndre.
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Yeah, we can compare them to Hopkins. But we should be comparing Hopkins to JulioJones, Aj Green, Dez Bryant, or Victor Cruz.

Saying he's better than Keyshawn & LeStar isn't really saying a lot... that's all I'm saying.

The Pencil Neck said:
One of my points was that DeAndre is already producing.

I think it's interesting that he already has as almost as many catches as Keshawn and Lestar did last year.
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I think that's because of Schaub/Kubiak on any other team, these guys would get a lot more opportunities.

The Pencil Neck said:
ANOTHER one of my points is... did you see the Lestar Jean ypc? Holy crap!
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He's a play-maker. If we get him on the field more often & get him the ball 1 or 2 times every two or three weeks, defenses will have to pay attention to him.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
5 catches, 66 yards -- Deandre Hopkins after 1 game.
6 catches, 65 yards -- Keshawn Martin after 6 games of rookie season.
6 catches, 151 yards -- Lestar Jean, after entire 2012 season.

If Hopkins continues to produce like this, he could have a monster year.
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That's like comparing a Bentley to a Honda to a Pinto. You can't really compare a legitimately talented wide out projected as the top 1 or 2 in the draft with backups and scrubs like Martin and Jean. Speaking of Jean by the way, how the hell is this garbage player not cut yet?
 
I understand the comparison. It shows how involved Hopkins is in the offense early on. 5 catches in the first game by a rookie in Kubiak's offense shows trust and an expectation to produce. The only thing holding Hopkins back is a lack of confidence in him by the coaching staff or Schaub. Things look good so far.

In regards to that long pass, Hopkins has the ability to make that catch, even one handed. I think we will see more of that as teams continue to focus on AJ, especially over the top.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I understand the comparison. It shows how involved Hopkins is in the offense early on.
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Bingo. There were predictions Hopkins wouldn't get targeted as much as Walter last year and so would end up with 35 rec. for 350 or so yds. Playing a partial game after missing significant practice he was already much more involved than that.
 
I'm very glad we got this guy! Excellent first NFL game debut, not including pre season! Kube's offense is not the easiest to master right away. This kid can be really special sooner not later. Seems like he has high FB IQ. I like his diving catch for 30yds(?). If he continues to improve, Andre can have a MONSTER season! :swatter:
 
infantrycak said:
Bingo. There were predictions Hopkins wouldn't get targeted as much as Walter last year and so would end up with 35 rec. for 350 or so yds. Playing a partial game after missing significant practice he was already much more involved than that.
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The "prediction" was based on the Texans comfortable ahead in games against a weak opponent like the Chargers.

That didn't happen and so the Texans had to open up their game plan.
How many times were Hopkins targeted in the first half and how many yards did he get?

If it were the Texans that led 21-7 at half time, how many times do you realistically think that Schaub would put the ball up in the second half?
 
The Texans called 29 pass plays in the second half; that works out to be 928 plays over the course of a 16-game season, not even counting overtime.

Does anybody really expect that figure?
 
76Texan said:
The "prediction" was based on the Texans comfortable ahead in games against a weak opponent like the Chargers.

That didn't happen and so the Texans had to open up their game plan.
How many times were Hopkins targeted in the first half and how many yards did he get?

If it were the Texans that led 21-7 at half time, how many times do you realistically think that Schaub would put the ball up in the second half?
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I think your supposition on play calling is off as AJ demonstrates - he gets his targets when we are behind much of the season and when we are ahead much of the season.

Looking at complete seasons for ease of comparison:

2006 6-10, 166 tgts, -99 pts
2008 8-8, 170 tgts, -28 pts
2009 9-7, 170 tgts, +55 pts
2012 12-4, 164 tgts, +86 pts

Hopkins has been brought in to be the #2 and they are going to treat him as such until he proves himself incapable like Keyshawn and Jean did last season by having butter fingers. 5 receptions on 6 targets coming off of injury is not going to make Schaub or Kubiak stop targeting Hopkins.
 
76Texan said:
The "prediction" was based on the Texans comfortable ahead in games against a weak opponent like the Chargers.

That didn't happen and so the Texans had to open up their game plan.
How many times were Hopkins targeted in the first half and how many yards did he get?

If it were the Texans that led 21-7 at half time, how many times do you realistically think that Schaub would put the ball up in the second half?
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The concept is that Hopkins is talented enough to demand more enough of the offense than Walter did in last couple of seasons. Again even when kevin was a better version of himselk he was 55 to 60 catch guy. The Texans offense was never desgned for the 2nd wr to be a 40 catch blocker. Many times the obvious answer is the answer.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's not right.

Maybe you're trying to be funny. Sure we had high hopes that LeStar & KeShawn could beat out KDub for that roster spot. But we shouldn't be comparing Hopkins to them.

That's like looking at every Texans' milestone in relation to the Chiefs or the Lions... or Buffalo. We've turned that corner & should be comparing ourselves to New England, Pittsburgh, & Dallas (yes..... Dallas).
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Hopkins through 1 game: 5 catches 66yds.

Kevin Walter through 2 games in 2012: 5 catches for 50 yds.

That's apples to apples as far as WR2 is concerned.

It shows me that DHop should have a reasonable shot at beating KW's performance last season. :brando:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
5 catches, 66 yards -- Deandre Hopkins after 1 game.
6 catches, 65 yards -- Keshawn Martin after 6 games of rookie season.
6 catches, 151 yards -- Lestar Jean, after entire 2012 season.

If Hopkins continues to produce like this, he could have a monster year.
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Andre Johnson after 1 game of his rookie year: 6 catches, 76 yards. Deandre, you need to step up your game.

76Texan said:
The "prediction" was based on the Texans comfortable ahead in games against a weak opponent like the Chargers.

That didn't happen and so the Texans had to open up their game plan.
How many times were Hopkins targeted in the first half and how many yards did he get?

If it were the Texans that led 21-7 at half time, how many times do you realistically think that Schaub would put the ball up in the second half?
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Come on, this is having it both ways. The prediction was "Hopkins won't make many valuable contributions to the team". Now you are saying "his numbers will only be low in routs, in games where we actually need him, he will be clutch". Completely different spin there.

Of course if the Texans jump out to a huge lead (10 points in the first half or 3 points in the second half) everyone knows it is time to grind down the clock for the win, and there won't be a lot of passing. That is completely different than the receivers are not contributing when needed, which was clearly the implication of the predictions.
 
Playoffs said:
No way. Matt averaged 34 attempts last year & had 45 vs. SD.
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Right; the Texans averaged 34.625 pass attempts last year.
That's included the two overtime games.

Also, the premise is for the Texans defense to get back to the level of 2011, maybe even better.
With a good D, a kicka punter, and a better FG kicker, it is within reason to "presume" that the Texans will have a much better chance playing with a 10-14 lead, and less of a chance of having to play catch-up.

This didn't happen last night.
Also, eventually, the trio of backup receivers should also see some target.

Most importantly, the premise is that Kubiak stays with the balance approach so as to allow the defense the opportunity to rest and stay fresh.

There's always a chance that Kubiak feels more comfortable with Schaub, as long as he continues to demonstrate that he can handle pressure well, and work the game plan to have more passes than rushes.
But until Schaub proves to be consistent under duress, there's no reason to suggest that Kubiak would change his philosophy radically.

Obviously, if Hopkins continues to make the tough catch, he should see his share of target. Too early to call it one way or another though.
 
Fred said:
Andre Johnson after 1 game of his rookie year: 6 catches, 76 yards. Deandre, you need to step up your game.



Come on, this is having it both ways. The prediction was "Hopkins won't make many valuable contributions to the team". Now you are saying "his numbers will only be low in routs, in games where we actually need him, he will be clutch". Completely different spin there.

Of course if the Texans jump out to a huge lead (10 points in the first half or 3 points in the second half) everyone knows it is time to grind down the clock for the win, and there won't be a lot of passing. That is completely different than the receivers are not contributing when needed, which was clearly the implication of the predictions.
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Go back and read all of my posts in this thread.
 
Along with all the things I recently recount, another point of mine is that the Texans do have a lot of weapons.

Besides the fact that Kubiak continues to maintain that they will target AJ, the rest of the guys should deter Hopkins from having a large number of targets in his rookie season - again, that is taking into consideration all of the premises.
 
76Texan said:
Right; the Texans averaged 34.625 pass attempts last year.
That's included the two overtime games.

Also, the premise is for the Texans defense to get back to the level of 2011, maybe even better.
With a good D, a kicka punter, and a better FG kicker, it is within reason to "presume" that the Texans will have a much better chance playing with a 10-14 lead, and less of a chance of having to play catch-up.

This didn't happen last night.
Also, eventually, the trio of backup receivers should also see some target.

Most importantly, the premise is that Kubiak stays with the balance approach so as to allow the defense the opportunity to rest and stay fresh.

There's always a chance that Kubiak feels more comfortable with Schaub, as long as he continues to demonstrate that he can handle pressure well, and work the game plan to have more passes than rushes.
But until Schaub proves to be consistent under duress, there's no reason to suggest that Kubiak would change his philosophy radically.

Obviously, if Hopkins continues to make the tough catch, he should see his share of target. Too early to call it one way or another though.
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Those were some tough catches by hopkins. Those weren't good throws by schaub. I really wish gary would just open up early. I mean you can still have balance and be opened up. I wish he would roll more 11 personel,no huddle,and just create that offset. They could go big 11 with hopkins and posey as the x and z with andreas the y or small 11 with martin as the y. Just let schaub call the plas from the los and jsut roll. Get the lead ,then start pounding.
 
infantrycak said:
Bingo. There were predictions Hopkins wouldn't get targeted as much as Walter last year and so would end up with 35 rec. for 350 or so yds. Playing a partial game after missing significant practice he was already much more involved than that.
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My comments weren't so much a prediction as it was an attempt to temper expectations. I'd hate for people to start calling him a bust if Schaub doesn't "trust" him.
 
After one game for Deandre Hopkins he looked exactly like I wanted him to: Like a legit #2 WR. Something the Texans have never had in their history.
 
Hopkins is a freak, and not in a bad way. Dude has hands like I don't think I have ever seen before. Just unreal.
 
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It's only two games and of course there will come a point when dams have tape on this guy and hell still have to find a way to beat double coverage, but...we may just have two #1 wr's here!!

With Posey looking good at the end of last season and Martin having all the tools to develop, we are looking set moving forward at receiver!!

There was a time when I was scared of AJ eventually declining, I'm beginning to believe that we will overcome that when it comes and maybe even be able to make use of him for a few years after he's #1 material if this cast of young guns continue to step up to the plate. Of course it's a very positive right now too.

The oline needs to give Schaub the time and comfidence to hit these guys and there is work to be done there, but today we've seen another clutch QB, performance, our rookie receiver step up to #1 when it mattered, our backup RB put in a great performance, just sort the oline because we have the playmakers.
 
welsh texan said:
It's only two games and of course there will come a point when dams have tape on this guy and hell still have to find a way to beat double coverage, but...we may just have two #1 wr's here!!
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That's what I'm thinking. I can't remember when we've had a receiver step up & take "Andre's place"

Hop did.

Like you, I'm not saying we have two #1s..... but we've definitely got a #2
 
thunderkyss said:
That's what I'm thinking. I can't remember when we've had a receiver step up & take "Andre's place"

Hop did.

Like you, I'm not saying we have two #1s..... but we've definitely got a #2
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Walter and Davis stepped in good when Dre went down but you are right ONE receiver has never stepped up like this.
 
thunderkyss said:
7 for 117

16.7 avg......that's a WR.
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I like that he and AJ have different skill sets. AJ has never been a jump ball receiver, but a great route runner with good hands. Hop looks like a guy who can catch it in traffic and grab the ball out of the air. They will complement each other well and will give Schaub a real #2.
 
hradhak said:
I like that he and AJ have different skill sets. AJ has never been a jump ball receiver, but a great route runner with good hands. Hop looks like a guy who can catch it in traffic and grab the ball out of the air. They will complement each other well and will give Schaub a real #2.
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Not true at all. AJ has always been able to go up in the air with the best of them and bring it down. His play today was further evidence of that. Kubiak has failed to design plays to get AJ the ball in the red zone over the years. AJ can go up in the air and muscle his way into a catch against anyone pretty much.
 
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The previous youngest was Patrick Patterson (21-118), who scored on a punt return on 11/6/11.

At 21 years and 101 days old, DeAndre Hopkins became the youngest player in NFL history to score a touchdown in overtime. #Texans

According to the NFL, DeAndre Hopkins is the first rookie WR to catch a TD in OT since Santonio Holmes on Dec. 31, 2006. #Texans
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Hop reminds me of fitz.

The less than ideal top end speed. The ability to high point the ball and make catches over defenders. The good route running.

And the dreads.
 
Rey said:
Hop reminds me of fitz.

The less than ideal top end speed. The ability to high point the ball and make catches over defenders. The good route running.

And the dreads.
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I think Roddy White with Boldin sprinkled in.
 
Rey said:
Hop reminds me of fitz.

The less than ideal top end speed. The ability to high point the ball and make catches over defenders. The good route running.

And the dreads.
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100% agree. I've been telling people this after the first time I saw him play.
 
Allstar said:
I think Roddy White with Boldin sprinkled in.
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I'm thinking the same thing.

Fitzgerald is a beast with the ball in his hands. Roddy & Boldin, while they can get some YaC..... not in the same class as Fitz & Andre.

At least we haven't seen anything on that level yet.
 
Nuk...

Just doesn't sound as good as Nuke, right? I mean he's a football palyer, he's a badd a55. Nuke is more descriptive of what we want right?

I mean we could have

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or this

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I'm just going to call him Nuke
 
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