Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB (Yates named #2)

[Carr Bombed]

I won't debate the whole point and I always like to use my opinion as a disclaimer. In the case of case,he doesn't have any special qualities.Size,speed,arm,footwork,mobility,etc. In a debate,one could always throw out brady.Brady is the exception more than the rule. Just like brees and wilson are exceptions when the height discussion is involved.If we were just comparing case to schaub,another guy without special qualities,we could say case is a smaller schaub with better feet. A small schaub with better feet will not win a superbowl. So what's the point?

I think case is up against it on this team. I think they're giving him a good look to decide whether or not they want to keep 3qbs or not. With the emergence of guys like Jefferson and a guy like Posey coming back quicker than expected,case might be back on practice squad. That's not a bad place to be honestly.They can't try to hide some of their emerging young players. I doubt a team would take keenam and put him on the active roster. Jmo.

Case isn't making the practice squad if released.. have you watched any of the other PS games? Some team will pick him up. Also, you can't compare Case to Schaub just because both players don't have a elite arm (although Keenum has a better arm). Schaub has maxed out his potential, while Case will still be viewed as a player with untapped potential and Case is a way WAY better athlete. I disagree with the "special qualities" knock.. Great pocket awareness, accuracy, and anticipation are also qualities in a QB.

I see us keeping 5 WRs

Andre
Hopkins
Jean
Martin
Posey

As with the OLBers..

I see Jefferson making the team and either a surprise cut to one of our draft picks or a IR stash.

 

[Rey]

With the way keenum has played, I think there are a few teams that could snag him. I think Yates would get a job somewhere for sure, but I think keenum too would wind up on a roster. If he keeps playing well, it's a wrap.

 

[AngryNateFTW]

For the ones who say Case Keenum can't do it because of the system he played in in college, there's a back-up QB in GB that did particularly well last night, if his WR's could just catch the ball. He was doing well vs. that Seattle Defense.

 

[thunderkyss]

For the ones who say Case Keenum can't do it because of the system he played in in college, there's a back-up QB in GB that did particularly well last night, if his WR's could just catch the ball. He was doing well vs. that Seattle Defense.

I don't think anyone is saying Case can't do it.

Most are saying the cards are stacked against him & he's yet to prove that he can. Live bullets don't start flying 'til Sep '09.

There have been many a player, QB especially, that have played well in college &/or the preseason that faded into obscurity when it got real.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

For the ones who say Case Keenum can't do it because of the system he played in in college, there's a back-up QB in GB that did particularly well last night, if his WR's could just catch the ball. He was doing well vs. that Seattle Defense.

Harrell is more unproven than TJ Yates. Not worth bringing up as any kind of example someone who has made it.

 

[76Texan]

lol

Dumbstruck with wonder at the glory of it.

I didn't even realize I did that.

I'm thinking that if you had tried to come up with something like that, you can find it very hard to do.
Sometimes, things just happen!

 

[76Texan]

Harrell is more unproven than TJ Yates. Not worth bringing up as any kind of example someone who has made it.

I don't understand this mindset.
Yates had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Schaub and Leinart.

Brady had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Bledsoe in 2001 en route to a SB.
He was a sixth round draft pick that was 1 of 3 for 6 yards in 2000 as a rookie.

And there are plenty of other examples.

 

[speedfreek]

My beef with Yates performance was that it simply wasn't very good.
Honestly, so many folks on here have selective memory about 2011.

He was average to serviceable during the regular season, and horrific
against Indy and the playoffs against Baltimore. I don't get the
logic of pinning the first Bengals playoff win on him when JJ made the
play that broke the game open.

The 2011 Texans could run the ball really well and played much
better defense than the Texans teams of 2012 and today.

Saying that Yates "has to be" the defacto #2 because of his playoff
experience, etc. is senseless to me when he was so average against
Cincy and so aweful against Baltimore.

People can remember the end of 2011 however they want, but the
bitter taste in my mouth from the way that season ended is still
there - in part - because of Yates..

And, please, don't give me this B.S. about being called into service
without a full playbook. "yadda yadda". Yates played in a system
very similar to Gary's at N.C. (for multiple years), and if it was
such a complicated system to learn Keenum would not have been
able to pick it up in one season holding a clipboard. (given his
collegiate experience was in a system 180 degrees out of phase)

Either Gary's approach isn't rocket science, or Keenum is some
type of "playbook savant"

After all, from where I sit, there is almost no distinguishable difference
between Yates and Keenum, and Yates has been doing this a much
longer time.

TJ

I don't understand this mindset.
Yates had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Schaub and Leinart.

Brady had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Bledsoe in 2001 en route to a SB.
He was a sixth round draft pick that was 1 of 3 for 6 yards in 2000 as a rookie.

And there are plenty of other examples.

 

[Texecutioner]

I don't understand this mindset.
Yates had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Schaub and Leinart.

Brady had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Bledsoe in 2001 en route to a SB.
He was a sixth round draft pick that was 1 of 3 for 6 yards in 2000 as a rookie.

And there are plenty of other examples.

Brady didn't prove anything when he led a team to the SB that was the underdog in every playoff game including the SB against the Rams? Lol!

His numbers were that of a rookie type of QB around that time. His leadership that season was that of an elite QB especially with his clutch plays he made that was good enough to take the job of one of the best passers in the league. It was no surprise to see the same guy lead his team to two more SB's in the next 3 years. This is as silly as saying Joe Montana and Elway's seasons weren't really any good when they were going to SB's, because neither one of them were putting up crazy numbers really. Not every season any way. Elway's team wasn't built that way at the time, and neither was Brady's team.

 

[76Texan]

Brady didn't prove anything when he led a team to the SB that was the underdog in every playoff game including the SB against the Rams? Lol!

His numbers were that of a rookie type of QB around that time. His leadership that season was that of an elite QB especially with his clutch plays he made that was good enough to take the job of one of the best passers in the league. It was no surprise to see the same guy lead his team to two more SB's in the next 3 years. This is as silly as saying Joe Montana and Elway's seasons weren't really any good when they were going to SB's, because neither one of them were putting up crazy numbers really. Not every season any way. Elway's team wasn't built that way at the time, and neither was Brady's team.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say Tex.

My point was that Brady was a sixth round draft pick; by the same logic of an UDFA, he was passed of many times over.
It means that in the eyes of the other 31 organizations, he proved little to nothing in college.
It so means that he was not regarded highly at all by the team that drafted him, by that same logic.
He made the team as the fourth QB on the depth chart.
(That might as well be a PS spot, except Belichik started seeing something,
but not enough yet.)
Fans from other team, the vast majority of them at least, most likely don't think anything at all of a fourth string QB.
What had he proved up to that point?
Nothing to the naked eyes.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I don't understand this mindset.
Yates had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Schaub and Leinart.

Brady had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Bledsoe in 2001 en route to a SB.
He was a sixth round draft pick that was 1 of 3 for 6 yards in 2000 as a rookie.

And there are plenty of other examples.

My mindset is one of betting on the 95% percent plus of other 6th round and later QBs since that time who never taken a meaningful NFL snap. Brady is grand exception...and Romo is the next best. Outside of that most of these guys suck (lack of better phrase). we had trouble getting five decent QBs since 1995 or so earlier in this thread.

On Harrell, here is an article where his coach pretty much said he is not good.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/graham-harrell-must-prove-his-worth-b9975726z1-219716531.html

See I am building a case with the FACTS of the matter, both generally about late round/UDFA QBs and specifically with Harrell (and his 4 career pass attempts).

 

[HouTx11]

My beef with Yates performance was that it simply wasn't very good.
Honestly, so many folks on here have selective memory about 2011.

He was average to serviceable during the regular season, and horrific
against Indy and the playoffs against Baltimore. I don't get the
logic of pinning the first Bengals playoff win on him when JJ made the
play that broke the game open.

The 2011 Texans could run the ball really well and played much
better defense than the Texans teams of 2012 and today.

Saying that Yates "has to be" the defacto #2 because of his playoff
experience, etc. is senseless to me when he was so average against
Cincy and so aweful against Baltimore.

People can remember the end of 2011 however they want, but the
bitter taste in my mouth from the way that season ended is still
there - in part - because of Yates..

And, please, don't give me this B.S. about being called into service
without a full playbook. "yadda yadda". Yates played in a system
very similar to Gary's at N.C. (for multiple years), and if it was
such a complicated system to learn Keenum would not have been
able to pick it up in one season holding a clipboard. (given his
collegiate experience was in a system 180 degrees out of phase)

Either Gary's approach isn't rocket science, or Keenum is some
type of "playbook savant"

After all, from where I sit, there is almost no distinguishable difference
between Yates and Keenum, and Yates has been doing this a much
longer time.

TJ

I agree with your logic about how the 2011 season ended. Many fans chose to take out their anger on Jacoby Jones (yes he screwed up, but it happened early in the 1st quarter) moreso than all of the INTs that Yates threw in that game. The Texans D had stopped the Ravens late in the game, giving Yates and the O an opportunity to tie it up. I think you remember the result.

 

[Rey]

My beef with Yates performance was that it simply wasn't very good.
Honestly, so many folks on here have selective memory about 2011.

He was average to serviceable during the regular season, and horrific
against Indy and the playoffs against Baltimore. I don't get the
logic of pinning the first Bengals playoff win on him when JJ made the
play that broke the game open.

The 2011 Texans could run the ball really well and played much
better defense than the Texans teams of 2012 and today.

Saying that Yates "has to be" the defacto #2 because of his playoff
experience, etc. is senseless to me when he was so average against
Cincy and so aweful against Baltimore.

People can remember the end of 2011 however they want, but the
bitter taste in my mouth from the way that season ended is still
there - in part - because of Yates..

After all, from where I sit, there is almost no distinguishable difference
between Yates and Keenum, and Yates has been doing this a much
longer time.

TJ

Your memory is selective. He was not bad against Indy. He was actually decent in that game.

As far as Baltimore, I find it funny how everyone talks about that Casey drop but no one remembers Andre dropping a beautiful pass from Yates early in the game that screwed up our flow.

Yates was a 5th round rookie at the time, likely not getting very many reps with our offense until he was called upon. Yates had some really good moments and he had some really rough ones. But you seem to have lost sight of the fact he was a 5th round rookie suddenly called upon.

 

[speedfreek]

I was furious with Jacoby in the first half, but when he advanced the
Foster fumble he nullified that screw up (in my opinion)

In my opinion, if Keenum outplays Yates in the preseason -- specially
with Gary swapping them both in and out with the 2's and 3's then
he should get the job.

Nothing that Yates did in 2011 (or preseason 2012) has impressed
me so much that he gets "special consideration".

I'm not the "what have you done for me lately" kind of guy, but the
only thing I've seen is Yates is a .500 QB. And that's not good enough
for me.

In fact, I thought that Beck looked better in preseason last year than
Yates or Keenum.

People say that Keenum has pushed Yates to be "better". Well, if
he needs a guy behind him to get a full 100% effort then he doesn't
have the kind of killer instinct I want in a QB (a la Brady, Montana, etc.)

I say if Case beats him in preseason, the guy has earned the right to
move up the ladder.

Going from #4/practice squad to neck and neck for #2 in one off-season
has told me something about the kids desire to compete and win.

TJ

I agree with your logic about how the 2011 season ended. Many fans chose to take out their anger on Jacoby Jones (yes he screwed up, but it happened early in the 1st quarter) moreso than all of the INTs that Yates threw in that game. The Texans D had stopped the Ravens late in the game, giving Yates and the O an opportunity to tie it up. I think you remember the result.

 

[Rey]

My mindset is one of betting on the 95% percent plus of other 6th round and later QBs since that time who never taken a meaningful NFL snap. Brady is grand exception...and Romo is the next best. Outside of that most of these guys suck (lack of better phrase). we had trouble getting five decent QBs since 1995 or so earlier in this thread.

On Harrell, here is an article where his coach pretty much said he is not good.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/graham-harrell-must-prove-his-worth-b9975726z1-219716531.html

See I am building a case with the FACTS of the matter, both generally about late round/UDFA QBs and specifically with Harrell (and his 4 career pass attempts).

Honestly none of that matters. Yeah, the odds are against it, but odds are beaten all the time in the NFL.

Everybody's situation is different. Kubiak is good with qb's, so a guy may be more likely to so well here vs other places.

Gotta judge them as they come. You never know.

 

[speedfreek]

Yates was crap in that game. Foster ran for 158 yards, and we
still lost to a 1-14 team.

That team was QB'd by Dan Orlovsky, who threw for more yards and
had a TD pass as well. (ORLOVSKY FOR CHRIST SAKES!) Yates
also put the ball on the ground.

Dreesen, Foster and Daniels accounted for 7 of Yates 13 completions,
and he only had 16 attempts versus Orlovsky's 44 attempts..

My recollection was Yates throwing checkdowns short
of the marker on 3rd _repeatedly_

It looked very obvious, at the time, that Gary had no faith in letting
him go down the field with the ball.

Yes, Yates was a 5th round rookie then, but is a 3rd year player who
looks no better today than a UDFA with one year of PS time.
-- so that point is moot..

TJ

Your memory is selective. He was not bad against Indy. He was actually decent in that game.

As far as Baltimore, I find it funny how everyone talks about that Casey drop but no one remembers Andre dropping a beautiful pass from Yates early in the game that screwed up our flow.

Yates was a 5th round rookie at the time, likely not getting very many reps with our offense until he was called upon. Yates had some really good moments and he had some really rough ones. But you seem to have lost sight of the fact he was a 5th round rookie suddenly called upon.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Honestly none of that matters. Yeah, the odds are against it, but odds are beaten all the time in the NFL.

If the odds were beaten all the time, then they would cease to be odds.

Odds: The ratio of the probability of an event's occurring to the probability of its not occurring.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Honestly none of that matters. Yeah, the odds are against it, but odds are beaten all the time in the NFL.

Everybody's situation is different. Kubiak is good with qb's, so a guy may be more likely to so well here vs other places.

Gotta judge them as they come. You never know.

Of course, every situation is different, just like every table in cards is different that does not mean that a general bad hand is not a general bad hand. In terms of long-term NFL success, an UDFA like Keenum is basically a losing hand.

Case has played two really nice pre-season games, but he still not played against 1st unit NFL defense, made a 53 man roster nor beat out Yates. too many posters (I don't think you are) are going all-in on him before even seeing more cards.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I was furious with Jacoby in the first half, but when he advanced the
Foster fumble he nullified that screw up (in my opinion)

In my opinion, if Keenum outplays Yates in the preseason -- specially
with Gary swapping them both in and out with the 2's and 3's then
he should get the job.

Nothing that Yates did in 2011 (or preseason 2012) has impressed
me so much that he gets "special consideration".


TJ

Lest you forget the performance Yates demonstrated in the 3 "garbage time" games last year during the regular season.

40 % pass completion rate (4/10)
1 sack
1 fumble
1 INT
0 TDs
..........for a whopping 11.7 QB rating.

 

[texanhead08]

Lest you forget the performance Yates demonstrated in the 3 "garbage time" games last year during the regular season.

40 % pass completion rate (4/10)
1 sack
1 fumble
1 INT
0 TDs
..........for a whopping 11.7 QB rating.

I don't care what a QB does in pre season its not going to impress me. The team doesn't gameplan, or run anything other than vanilla defense was you really have no idea what you have in a player.

 

[speedfreek]

Very valid point. The way I saw that, at the time, was that
Yates was either "coasting on reputation", or the team wasn't
as good at covering up his mistakes as it was in 2011
(when the defense was better, and the o-line was better)

By the way, off-topic but -- is it just me, or do many posters on
here notice that some folks don't actually bother to read threads
carefully?

I see many times when someone rants about something said
previously, and the person has completely misread what
the previous poster wrote..

A headscratcher..
TJ

Lest you forget the performance Yates demonstrated in the 3 "garbage time" games last year during the regular season.

40 % pass completion rate (4/10)
1 sack
1 fumble
1 INT
0 TDs
..........for a whopping 11.7 QB rating.

 

[Texn4life]

I'm pretty sure the Raiders would take either one of our backup QBs right about now. Their current situation is in bad shape.

 

[hradhak]

Yates reminds me a lot of Matt Cassel when he played on the Pats.
Yes his team went 11-5. Cassell had a much better team surrounding him and he looked good enough that he got traded.

Yates has not done much to impress. Keenum has been a #2. Let's not forget that Yates was a #3 and got moved up to play in 2011 because of 2 injuries. I feel like he still is a #3.

I dunno if Case will ever be a starting QB in this league. I think under Kubes you are going to get the most out of him you possibly can.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I'm pretty sure the Raiders would take either one of our backup QBs right about now. Their current situation is in bad shape.

In a heart beat! Heck, the Raiders would probably be willing to take any of our "castoffs" at any position. They don't have even one player on the ESPN top 100 list of offensive players, and only have one (Charles Woodson) on the top 100 list of defensive players............1 in 200........

 

[AngryNateFTW]

The #2 QB in GB is being released...

Oopsie..Looks like I might have been wrong.

 

[76Texan]

My mindset is one of betting on the 95% percent plus of other 6th round and later QBs since that time who never taken a meaningful NFL snap. Brady is grand exception...and Romo is the next best. Outside of that most of these guys suck (lack of better phrase). we had trouble getting five decent QBs since 1995 or so earlier in this thread.

On Harrell, here is an article where his coach pretty much said he is not good.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/graham-harrell-must-prove-his-worth-b9975726z1-219716531.html

See I am building a case with the FACTS of the matter, both generally about late round/UDFA QBs and specifically with Harrell (and his 4 career pass attempts).

I'm not betting on the whole truckload of them; I only bet on guys, in this case - Keenum, which I have seen thoroughly.

I only mention other guys (and there have been quite a few, but not many) to prompt the point that you can't simply discount a guy because he was unproven.
I never quantify how much of a percentage such a guy has.

P.S. My posts had nothing to do with Harrell; I hardly ever saw him play in college.
I know nothing about him.

 

[eriadoc]

Case has played two really nice pre-season games, but he still not played against 1st unit NFL defense, made a 53 man roster nor beat out Yates. too many posters (I don't think you are) are going all-in on him before even seeing more cards.

No backup QB plays against 1st team defenses. If that's the criteria, no backup would ever get promoted. And what's your idea of going all in? I just see a bunch of people wanting Keenum to be the backup. That's nothing close to all in.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

No backup QB plays against 1st team defenses. If that's the criteria, no backup would ever get promoted. And what's your idea of going all in? I just see a bunch of people wanting Keenum to be the backup. That's nothing close to all in.

actually, the Packers did just that intentionally last night with Harrell. that is not the norm, but Rodgers was pulled against the Seahawks after a series and Harrell came in for the rest of the 1st half.

One of the battles the Case is facing with yates is exact that...Kubiak saw Yates not fall totally apart again real NFL defenses. The offense went conservative and Yates was pretty meh from a big picture NFL QBing perspective, but given the situation Yates did better than expected.


May or may not be totally fair, keenum has to legitimately outplay Yates based the "experience" of yates against real competition. Thought this was pretty obvious.

 

[Rey]

If the odds were beaten all the time, then they would cease to be odds.

Odds: The ratio of the probability of an event's occurring to the probability of its not occurring.

That makes 0 sense.

Every player in the NFL has beaten the odds.

 

[Rey]

Of course, every situation is different, just like every table in cards is different that does not mean that a general bad hand is not a general bad hand. In terms of long-term NFL success, an UDFA like Keenum is basically a losing hand.

Case has played two really nice pre-season games, but he still not played against 1st unit NFL defense, made a 53 man roster nor beat out Yates. too many posters (I don't think you are) are going all-in on him before even seeing more cards.

That has 0 to do with analyzing a guy on an individual basis.

You cannot compare a human being to a hand of cards. That was not a good analogy.

 

[Rey]

Yates was crap in that game. Foster ran for 158 yards, and we
still lost to a 1-14

TJ

Showing your bias right now. Foster ran for all those yards because he got the touches to do so.

Go back and look at the game log. I think Yates threw the ball under 20 times and completed almost all of his passes. He was not "terrible". Your memory is bad or selective.

 

[infantrycak]

No backup QB plays against 1st team defenses. If that's the criteria, no backup would ever get promoted

What? Cassel and Schaub for instance became trade targets because they started. That is very common.

 

[ChampionTexan]

That makes 0 sense.

Every player in the NFL has beaten the odds.

Okay, let's assume the odds of division I football player becoming an NFL football player are 100 to 1 (I'm using this as an example - I don't know what those odds really are). That means for every player in the NFL, there's 99 who aren't. An NFL player hasn't beaten the odds, he's just proven them.

 

[thunderkyss]

 

[eriadoc]

What? Cassel and Schaub for instance became trade targets because they started. That is very common.

They didn't face 1st team defenses in preseason until they were starters. They became starters because of injury ahead of them. So using the rationale that they aren't any good because they haven't faced 1st team defenses is just silly. No one gets a chance until they get a chance. Coaches don't put backups out there against 1st team defenses just to check them out. They do it when they have to, and not before.

 

[speedfreek]

Bias? I just call a spade a spade. I'm not willing to call Yates
a good QB just because he limped possibly the best Texans team
into the playoffs..

Against Indy he was 13-16 for 132 yds, no touchdowns and a
fumble. He had the better team on the field and was beaten
and outplayed by Dan Orlovsky.

If Keenum has a better preseason than Yates, he deserves
to move up the depth chart.

Nothing Yates has done so far (in the regular season) has been
so overwhelming or amazing that it deserves special consideration.

I believe Gary will carry 3 QB's this year so, in terms of remaining
with the team, none of this matters. However, I believe you reward guys
based on their perfornance.

If Keenum looks better than Yates over the next two games, he
should be #2. If Yates looks better than Keenum over the next
two games then Yates should be #2.

Simple as that.
TJ

Showing your bias right now. Foster ran for all those yards because he got the touches to do so.

Go back and look at the game log. I think Yates threw the ball under 20 times and completed almost all of his passes. He was not "terrible". Your memory is bad or selective.

 

[ObsiWan]

My beef with Yates performance was that it simply wasn't very good.
Honestly, so many folks on here have selective memory about 2011.

He was average to serviceable during the regular season, and horrific
against Indy and the playoffs against Baltimore. I don't get the
logic of pinning the first Bengals playoff win on him when JJ made the
play that broke the game open.

The 2011 Texans could run the ball really well and played much
better defense than the Texans teams of 2012 and today.

Saying that Yates "has to be" the defacto #2 because of his playoff
experience, etc. is senseless to me when he was so average against
Cincy and so aweful against Baltimore.

People can remember the end of 2011 however they want, but the
bitter taste in my mouth from the way that season ended is still
there - in part - because of Yates..

And, please, don't give me this B.S. about being called into service
without a full playbook. "yadda yadda". Yates played in a system
very similar to Gary's at N.C. (for multiple years), and if it was
such a complicated system to learn Keenum would not have been
able to pick it up in one season holding a clipboard. (given his
collegiate experience was in a system 180 degrees out of phase)

Either Gary's approach isn't rocket science, or Keenum is some
type of "playbook savant"

After all, from where I sit, there is almost no distinguishable difference
between Yates and Keenum, and Yates has been doing this a much
longer time.

TJ

Agreed.
If Yates has soooo much experience due to "his" playoff win, why isn't he pushing Schaub at this point instead of being pushed himself by an UDFA??

For the record, I think Yates and Keenum are on equal footing as far as the 2013 season is concerned. I would think (hope) Yates has the edge where knowledge of our system is concerned and where reading NFL defenses is concerned; he's been here the longest so he'd better. Keenum seems to have an edge - just from the old eyeball test - when things go "off script" and he has to improvise.

Still a dead heat IMHO. And a tie goes to the incumbent. JMO.

 

[Carr Bombed]

actually, the Packers did just that intentionally last night with Harrell. that is not the norm, but Rodgers was pulled against the Seahawks after a series and Harrell came in for the rest of the 1st half.

The Colts used to do the same thing with Peyton, back when their defense sucked, hardly had a running game, and the entire team's success was tied to him... preseason was spent mostly on Jim Sorgi. Elite QBs are treated differently... Schaub is not elite.

One of the battles the Case is facing with Yates is exact that...Kubiak saw Yates not fall totally apart again real NFL defenses. The offense went conservative and Yates was pretty meh from a big picture NFL QBing perspective, but given the situation Yates did better than expected. May or may not be totally fair, Keenum has to legitimately outplay Yates based the "experience" of Yates against real competition. Thought this was pretty obvious.

I disagree, if that was the case, then Yates would've been the first off the bench in every preseason game we've played. This is the first time I can remember that Kubiak has rotated equal playing time between two QBs and has openly discussed a open competition at the position. I think a lot of posters here are hanging on to that "experience" two years ago than Kubiak is.. honestly I don't even think Kubiak is even thinking about that right now, if he was he'd already have his mind set on his #2 QB. If Case outplays Yates, he'll be listed the back up, experience from two years ago will hardly be a factor, I mean it's not like Yates set the world on fire or had that many starts and it happened two years ago. Both of these QBs are still wet behind the ears as far as starting experience goes.

 

[thunderkyss]

I disagree, if that was the case, then Yates would've been the first off the bench in every preseason game we've played.

If Case outplays Yates, he'll be listed the back up...

Though the numbers are close, we've got many here that believe Case is playing better than Yates. Marginally, but definitely.

I'm assuming you're not convinced yet. I believe two weeks & a day from today, Tj Yates will be on the active day roster, Case will not. If that is the case, I'll take that to mean there never was a competition to begin with.

I'm liking what I'm seeing from Case, I like the energy, there appears to be an "it" factor, hope. But he hasn't played so well that I would ignore the benefit of experience. Nor has he played well enough that I would chance it. Though we may feel good about it we know it is more likely he'll go the way of Graham Harrell, Mark Sanchez, Matt Lienart, than Tom Brady.

I also believe when odds are better that he might be Tom Brady, he'll get the back-up job without much fanfare. Tj would be traded, or released & Case would get the job "by default." Kubiak doesn't need these preseason games to "know" how Case would do. He's seen enough. Putting him in with the 1s & 2s was for Case's benefit, to get him to where he needs to be.

 

[Grams]

Jets are probably looking for a QB. Maybe we could trade them Yates.

 

[thunderkyss]

Jets are probably looking for a QB. Maybe we could trade them Yates.

How do you think Tj affects our chances of winning a Super Bowl?

I personally think we've still got a shot with Tj, not so much with Keenum. I believe this because I think the offense will stay more or less intact with Yates at the helm (if it comes to that).

I do believe Keenum to be the future of the Texans, but I see many changes to the offense for that to happen & we're in a transition period of sorts.

I think Tj covers us from a depth stand-point that our goals don't change much if something were to happen to Matt. In that respect I value Tj much higher than I believe the Jets would value Tj, especially with John Beck floating around.

 

[Lucky]

Jets are probably looking for a QB. Maybe we could trade them Yates.

I expect them to trade for Nick Foles, who played under Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg last year in Philly.

 

[False Start]

IMO Case should be the backup. The kid just needs a little more time, and I think he is our next QB, after Fetal Position is done.

 

[speedfreek]

I heard something earlier about the Jets either signing Beck or
giving him a workout recently.

Perhaps that is an indication that they would be interested in
either Yates or Keenum from a trade point of view -- don't know.

It is curious though.

TJ

How do you think Tj affects our chances of winning a Super Bowl?

I personally think we've still got a shot with Tj, not so much with Keenum. I believe this because I think the offense will stay more or less intact with Yates at the helm (if it comes to that).

I do believe Keenum to be the future of the Texans, but I see many changes to the offense for that to happen & we're in a transition period of sorts.

I think Tj covers us from a depth stand-point that our goals don't change much if something were to happen to Matt. In that respect I value Tj much higher than I believe the Jets would value Tj, especially with John Beck floating around.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I heard something earlier about the Jets either signing Beck or
giving him a workout recently.

Perhaps that is an indication that they would be interested in
either Yates or Keenum from a trade point of view -- don't know.

It is curious though.

TJ

Beck AND Matt Leinart, from what I saw.

 

[badboy]

Beck AND Matt Leinart, from what I saw.

First, they signed 2004 Heisman Trophy winner Matt Leinart, a former first-round draft pick. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Later Sunday, the Bills announced they traded linebacker Chris White to the Detroit Lions for quarterback Thaddeus Lewis.

Leinart was most recently a member of the Oakland Raiders. He has started 18 games since being drafted 10th overall by the Arizona Cardinals in 2006. The 6-foot-5 USC product has completed 366 of 641 passes for 4,065 yards with 15 touchdowns and 21 interceptions in his NFL career.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...einart-buffalo-bills-20130825,0,6399520.story

 

[Vinny]

I was hoping Case would take a shot at the end zone at the end of the game but of course he didn't. He took the safe pass on some 3rd downs which came up short earlier also. Just on my observations I think Case is probably closer to our Cody Carlson than he is our Kurt Warner.

 

[rmartin65]

Just on my observations I think Case is probably closer to our Cody Carlson than he is our Kurt Warner.

That's blasphemous talk around here. Have fun.

 

[eriadoc]

I was hoping Case would take a shot at the end zone at the end of the game but of course he didn't. He took the safe pass on some 3rd downs which came up short earlier also. Just on my observations I think Case is probably closer to our Cody Carlson than he is our Kurt Warner.

I was hoping that as well, but if you notice, it doesn't matter who is in at QB; they ALL do that. They throw short of the sticks, they check down on critical downs, etc. Schaub does it, Yates does it, and now Keenum's doing it. So from that standpoint, he fits right in.

 

[thunderkyss]

I was hoping Case would take a shot at the end zone at the end of the game but of course he didn't. He took the safe pass on some 3rd downs which came up short earlier also.

He probably scored more points with Kubiak taking the safe throw than he would have throwing the ill advised into the end zone pass.

The main thing I've been trying to say through this "competition" is that what we want to see most likely won't win him the job. I believe Kubiak wants to see Case play more like Schaub than not. Schaub is the standard.

Schaub's command of this offense plus Case's intangibles are what will win him a starting job with the Texans.