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Pre-season 8/17/2013, Game 2 vs Dolphins: Top 5 things you are interested in seeing?

Keenum might have the intangible to make the 8-ball under pressure. It's just my opinion, but he might be a diamond in the rough. I am not a Coog booster and Yates looked great too. Just want to kick the other teams' butt like the rest of you.
 
nut said:
Keenum might have the intangible to make the 8-ball under pressure. It's just my opinion, but he might be a diamond in the rough, BTW, I am not a Coog booster and Yates looked great too. Just want to kick the other teams' butt like the rest of you.
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I AM a big Cougar fan, but I want what's best for the Texans. If that means TJ, great. If it means Case, great + I love the kid. Bottom line, though, is I want what's best for this team.
 
KVUE, Austin's ABC affiliate, showed little Texans highlights. Except, of course, Swearinger's hit accompanied by, "He went low and blew out his [Miami's reciever] knee."

Bastards
 
I am hoping that Yates comes in for Schaub to finish the game next week and Keenum gets the start against Dallas.
 
I am a CK fan and he did well tonight.

TJ also looked good tonight and, I believe, held on to his #2 position with his performance.

I believe the Texans keep them both on the roster because, after tonight, there is no way CK clears waivers to go to the PS.
 
thunderkyss said:
Case looked good tonight. Really good. If I were being objective I would say Case has a definite edge on Tj.

With that in mind & if I'm right & Tj is #2 come Sept 9 then this whole QB competition is a farce.

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If all things stay status quo and if T.J. is named the #2 come Sept 9th.. it won't make you right over those who viewed a heated competition between two players, the only farce will be Kubiak himself..You already just said "If I were being objective I would say Case has a definite edge on Tj." So if Kubiak just hands the job to TJ even if Case earned it, he might as well tap the podium and declare he doesn't believe in open completion.

and we already know Kubiak is stubbornly loyal to his starters/depth chart almost to a fault (We all saw that with the Slaton/Foster fiasco). If Slaton doesn't suffer nerve damage and doesn't lay the ball on the ground left and right and Tate doesn't break his ankle, would we even know the name of the NFL's leading rusher/top 5 back? We probably would, but he'd be playing elsewhere

Again all things equal and with you acknowledging that if you were objective Case is ahead of Yates.. if T.J. is the starter come Sept 9th, it'll mean that Keenum didn't grossly outplay him, despite if he may have outplayed him regardless. The fact that Case is already stealing snaps and playing ahead of Yates and is pushing the absolute hell out of Yates signifies that regardless of what happens from here on out, what is happening now is a legit COMP..E..TITION and Yates being named the DE facto #2 won't change that this was/is a legit competition.

With the way Case goes through his reads, progressions, and his total comfort level (regardless of no running game), does Case really look like a player who "needs to be brought up to speed"? His limitations may be physical (although I'm now having my doubts on that too), they are not mental.. Case is on speed of what needs to be done within this offense.

Now I'm also going to give kudos to Yates.. he came out ready to play.. played like a player who is BEING PUSHED for his position (he didn't start off slow for once.. was focused and on target, regardless of playing against the other team's 3's, he was motivated).. another reason why I know there is great competition happening regardless of who takes the spot. Arguments aside, this is a great problem to have. Far screams from the days of Carr and Banks.. all 3 of our QBs could play those guys under the table. :)
 
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The Pencil Neck said:
Schaub won't play in Game 4. We'll get some Case, maybe some TJ, and a whole lot of Stephen McGee.
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God I hope not. :mcnugget: Stephen McGee is a Poor man's poorer bastard son of Tebow (minus actually winning anything). The only reason why he even made a camp is because Kubiak is a loyal Agg. That kid flat out can't play and any rep given to him is a wasted rep to anyone else on the field with him. As soon as camp breaks, you'll never hear his name again.
 
Carr Bombed said:
All things status quo, if T.J. is named the #2 come Sept 9th.. it won't make you right and the only farce will be Kubiak himself..You already just said "If I were being objective I would say Case has a definite edge on Tj."

and we already know Kubiak is stubbornly loyal to his starters/depth chart almost to a fault (We all saw that with the Slaton/Foster fiasco). If Slaton doesn't suffer nerve damage and doesn't lay the ball on the ground left and right and Tate doesn't break his ankle, would we even know the name of the NFL's leading rusher/top 5 back? We probably would, but he'd be playing elsewhere

Again all things equal and with you acknowledging that if you were objective Case is ahead of Yates.. if T.J. is the starter come Sept 9th, it'll mean that Keenum didn't grossly outplay him, despite if he may have outplayed him regardless. The fact that Case is already stealing snaps and playing ahead of Yates and is pushing the absolute hell out of Yates signifies that regardless of what happens from here on out, what is happening now is a legit COMP..E..TITION and Yates being named the de facto #2 won't change that this was/is a legit competition.

With the way Case goes through his reads, progressions, and his total comfort level (regardless of no running game), does Case really look like a player who "needs to be brought up to speed"? His limitations may be physical (although I'm now having my doubts on that too), they are not mental.. Case is on speed on what needs to be done within this offense.

Now I'm also going to give kudos to Yates.. he came out ready to play.. played like a player who is BEING PUSHED for his position.. another reason why I know there is great competition happening regardless of who take the spot. Arguments aside, this is a great "problem" to have.
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Andre Ware when it was suggested that Case was playing off of a limited playbook.............laughed.........saying that there was no way that he had not been given the entire playbook this preseason. And, Kubiak definitely knowing the type of player Case has always been, he would also know that Case would have already studied, and soaked it up and put to memory that book 100 times over while having grasped a firm hold of everything in it by now.
 
Showtime100 said:
I would play him for the 1st quarter. He's looked awful dating back into last year. I extremely worried about that boy...lol
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Schaub actually has looked good to me. That pick was a weird play, but outside of that he's looked good so far. He's going to play at least a half next week against a new aggressive Saints defense. That's enough work in the preseason to me.
 
Texn4life said:
Schaub actually has looked good to me. That pick was a weird play, but outside of that he's looked good so far. He's going to play at least a half next week against a new aggressive Saints defense. That's enough work in the preseason to me.
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The only weird thing about that play was Schaub's throw. Hopefully, he is just rusty. His arm strength looked weak to me, but I hope that was just him easing into the season.
 
nut said:
The only weird thing about that play was Schaub's throw. Hopefully, he is just rusty. His arm strength looked weak to me, but I hope that was just him easing into the season.
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His arm is what it is. It looks no different than it's ever looked to me. His success is going to be based on timing and accuracy. And again it wasn't the greatest throw, but if Hopkins doesn't fall it likely isn't a pick. Incompletions do happen in this game from even the greatest of QBs and I'm no Schaub apologist.
 
Texn4life said:
His arm is what it is. It looks no different than it's ever looked to me. His success is going to be based on timing and accuracy. And again it wasn't the greatest throw, but if Hopkins doesn't fall it likely isn't a pick. Incompletions do happen in this game from even the greatest of QBs and I'm no Schaub apologist.
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Hopkins' fall aside.. that was a throw that shouldn't of been thrown, the defender clearly undercut it and read it, but that's a side point.

Timing+accuracy=anticipation

People talk about Schaub's weak arm. I've never had a problem with his arm, because I've seen other QB's reach elite status with the same type of arm. Hell Montana made it to the HOF

However if you're going to have a sub par arm, you have to have great "anticipation".. Schaub doesn't have that. It's the entire reason why even though we've all witnessed Andre wide ass open 45 yards down the field (and we all know Schaub can throw a ball that far), by the time the ball got there.. Andre wasn't wide ass open anymore. Schaub waited too long to diagnose what was happening and then what would be a easy TD was covered and tackled.

Schaub can't feel or see that AJ is about to break loose and can't anticipate the throw.. it's a throw I saw Case make multiple times tonight. Case doesn't have elite throwing power either, but if you can anticipate on how a play develops and can still deliver the ball at the point where a receiver is open accurately, it doesn't really matter if you have a cannon or not. How many times did Case under throw a receiver tonight..

Schaub's problem has never been arm strength. Yes arm strength can cover up some deficiencies.. (i.e. Brett Farve), but timing and anticipation will take you a long way.

The biggest crime in the NFL today is that the most dominant receiver of this generation doesn't have one single double digit TD season on his resume and I'm scared it might keep him out of the HOF (actually it most likely will). Main reasons why he doesn't.. He wasted 4 years with Carr and Schaub doesn't have the ability to lead a wide open receiver down field or throw up a ball in the red zone/Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub enough to throw in the red zone, so we always run.

Dre has all the Yards and Rec. totals, but the TD #s will prevent him from being fully recognized... and it's sad.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Hopkins' fall aside.. that was a throw that shouldn't of been thrown, the defender clearly undercut it and read it, but that's a side point.

Timing+accuracy=anticipation

People talk about Schaub's weak arm. I've never had a problem with his arm, because I've seen other QB's reach elite status with the same type of arm. Hell Montana made it to the HOF

However if you're going to have a sub par arm, you have to have great "anticipation".. Schaub doesn't have that. It's the entire reason why even though we've all witnessed Andre wide ass open 45 yards down the field (and we all know Schaub can throw a ball that far), by the time the ball got there.. Andre wasn't wide ass open anymore. Schaub waited too long to diagnose what was happening and then what would be a easy TD was covered and tackled.

Schaub can't feel or see that AJ is about to break loose and can't anticipate the throw.. it's a throw I saw Case make multiple times tonight. Case doesn't have elite throwing power either, but if you can anticipate on how a play develops and can still deliver the ball at the point where a receiver is open accurately, it doesn't really matter if you have a cannon or not. How many times did Case under throw a receiver tonight..

Schaub's problem has never been arm strength. Yes arm strength can cover up some deficiencies.. (i.e. Brett Farve), but timing and anticipation will take you a long way.

The biggest crime in the NFL today is that the most dominant receiver of this generation doesn't have one single double digit TD season on his resume and I'm scared it might keep him out of the HOF (actually it most likely will). Main reasons why he doesn't.. He wasted 4 years with Carr and Schaub doesn't have the ability to lead a wide open receiver down field or throw up a ball in the red zone/Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub enough to throw in the red zone, so we always run.

Dre has all the Yards and Rec. totals, but the TD #s will prevent him from being fully recognized... and it's sad.
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Ummmmmmmmm ok.
 
Carr Bombed said:
God I hope not. :mcnugget: Stephen McGee is a Poor man's poorer bastard son of Tebow (minus actually winning anything). The only reason why he even made a camp is because Kubiak is a loyal Agg. That kid flat out can't play and any rep given to him is a wasted rep to anyone else on the field with him. As soon as camp breaks, you'll never hear his name again.
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Exactly.

You only play guys in the 4th preseason game because:

1) You want to get them some reps for training purposes because they're rookies that are going to provide depth.

2) They're bubble guys that you're not sure about.

3) They're starters that have missed the first 3 preseason games because of injury and you want to get them some game snaps.

4) You have to play someone so you put in your scrubs that you're going to cut as soon as you can.

Of all the players playing in that 4th game, the vast majority are going to be Type 4 -- scrubs.

Most of our starters are going to sit. And most of the guys that are going to make our team aren't going to play for very long.

Vets like Schaub and Andre, I'd be surprised if they even suit up. Most of the QB time is going to go to a scrub like McGee.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Schaub's problem has never been arm strength. Yes arm strength can cover up some deficiencies.. (i.e. Brett Farve), but timing and anticipation will take you a long way.

The biggest crime in the NFL today is that the most dominant receiver of this generation doesn't have one single double digit TD season on his resume and I'm scared it might keep him out of the HOF (actually it most likely will). Main reasons why he doesn't.. He wasted 4 years with Carr and Schaub doesn't have the ability to lead a wide open receiver down field or throw up a ball in the red zone/Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub enough to throw in the red zone, so we always run.

Dre has all the Yards and Rec. totals, but the TD #s will prevent him from being fully recognized... and it's sad.
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I agree with this whole rant.... & add, in addition to poor anticipation, it takes Schaub forever & a day to get around on the naked boots & set up to throw. Andre's done ran another 10-15 yards in that "extra" time.

& wins. The Texans have only had 3 winning seasons & Andre is going into his 11th. It "shouldn't" reflect on Andre, but it will. Unless we win a couple of Super Bowls, it's going to be hard to show Andre as a winner & there are very few losers in the H.O.F.
 
nut said:
The only weird thing about that play was Schaub's throw. Hopefully, he is just rusty. His arm strength looked weak to me, but I hope that was just him easing into the season.
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DX-TEX said:
Hate to break the news to you but he is in mid season form.
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DX-TEX said:
Hate to break the news to you but he is in mid season form.
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nut said:
Thanks for the heads up. It's the post-season form that will make or break us. All he has to do is hand off right now.
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That's great. We'll be able to enjoy another Yates-like performance. Just what I was looking forward to. :mcnugget:
 
Lucky said:
I don't think we will learn much on the defensive side of the ball. The Fins offense does not impress me. I doubt there's more than a couple of guys that could start on the Texans. The defense gets better work in practice.

I do think Miami has a pretty good defense. I'm interested in how the o-line handles the responsibilities. Opening holes for the running game and protecting Schaub. I think this is the most interesting and important aspect of the game.
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I was wrong about Miami's offense. Tannehill has made strides and looks like a legit QB. Miller also has stepped up as an all around back. I think the Texans could have done a better job with their blitzes against the Dolphin offensive line. And I think the defense could do a better job of tackling (see: CBA practice restrictions). Liked what I saw from Swearinger. In the 2nd half, I liked what Jefferson did. I think he makes this team.

On offense, the o-line was the story. Newton and Jones were manhandled early. And this was the 2nd game that Brown looked sloppy. I know it's just preseason, but I would like to see Brown look like the all pro he is next week against the Saints. The running game in the 1st half was non-existent. That has to change, or Schaub will be put in sure blitz down and distances. I think the offense looked fine other than the early o-line troubles. It should be noted that both Schaub and Keenum were able to move the ball via play action without a productive running game.
 
NastyNate said:
Don't know if I'd go that far, but Case did showcase some skills tonight.
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Schaub should and is going to start. When I said that I meant that I think he's more talented.

Keenum has 0 chance at starting. Id like to see him with the 1's but that ain't happening.
 
Rey said:
Schaub should and is going to start. When I said that I meant that I think he's more talented.

Keenum has 0 chance at starting. Id like to see him with the 1's but that ain't happening.
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I think the right mindset is the #1 thing a QB has to have . He has to have the smarts , leadership , and competitiveness to lift the team . A good arm and the athleticism to buy time and get some yards does you no good if you don't have the mind . See the last 8 .

I'm not sure where the Texans QBs fit in this .

1. Schaub is good for 1 more year at best , he is Chad Pennington now .

2. TJ is a backup until he proves otherwise .

3. Case is still an unknown for now . In ways that puts him ahead of the other two .
 
nut said:
The only weird thing about that play was Schaub's throw. Hopefully, he is just rusty. His arm strength looked weak to me, but I hope that was just him easing into the season.
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DX-TEX said:
Hate to break the news to you but he is in mid season form.
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Lucky said:
I was wrong about Miami's offense. Tannehill has made strides and looks like a legit QB. Miller also has stepped up as an all around back. I think the Texans could have done a better job with their blitzes against the Dolphin offensive line. And I think the defense could do a better job of tackling (see: CBA practice restrictions). Liked what I saw from Swearinger. In the 2nd half, I liked what Jefferson did. I think he makes this team.

On offense, the o-line was the story. Newton and Jones were manhandled early. And this was the 2nd game that Brown looked sloppy. I know it's just preseason, but I would like to see Brown look like the all pro he is next week against the Saints. The running game in the 1st half was non-existent. That has to change, or Schaub will be put in sure blitz down and distances. I think the offense looked fine other than the early o-line troubles. It should be noted that both Schaub and Keenum were able to move the ball via play action without a productive running game.
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During the game, posted exactly that.........Jones was being manhandled. And that it appeared that Brown was trying to "cheat" over to help Jones, thus compromising his own play. Hope Brown is not having more problems with arthritic bone spurs.

Newton's sluggish movement showed me what I expected......a huge man trying to come back too early from a notoriously difficult-to-rehab patellar tendon surgery. Remember, Newton's original patellar injury (probably a mild tear) occurred in the Detroit game, he missed only 2 games. These injuries result in intense inflammatory changed in the tendon.......patellar tendonitis.....and thus require prolonged rest period followed by rehab prior to return to play. As the adequate rest is not allowed and the inflammatory changes are not allowed to resolve, there is increasing smoldering of the inflammation until the tendon shreds enough to ultimately result in a significant partial or a complete patellar tendon rupture.......just as occurred with Newton.
 
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Guess the Texans are stuck with Newt since it's likely that 3rd round pick Williams is headed for IR, unless they go with Harris over Newt ?
On the other hand, is rookie Quessenbery playing well enough to possibly start ahead of Jones @ LG if Wade Smith doesn't make it back in time for the season opener in SD ?
 
IDEXAN said:
On the other hand, is rookie Quessenbery playing well enough to possibly start ahead of Jones @ LG if Wade Smith doesn't make it back in time for the season opener in SD ?
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IMO, Wade Smith should be out of the conversation. They should be looking to trade him (coming off a "pro-bowl" season), or cut him now & let him find a job.
 
Wolf said:
Nfl network will replay this at noon.
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Watch for this play...

Smith and Incognito have quite a feud going. What began in the Texans’ victory over Miami at Reliant Stadium last season continued Saturday night when Smith ripped off Incognito’s helmet and swung it at him.

The incident happened in the second quarter after Miami quarterback Ryan Tannehill was forced to scramble. Incognito was blocking Smith and could have been called for a facemask penalty. Smith used both hands to rip off Incognito’s helmet, then swung it at him and missed.

No penalty was called. After the game, Smith wouldn’t discuss it.

When the NFL watches the game tape, there’s a good chance Smith will be fined again. There’s a rule against using the helmet as a weapon.

Last season, after the Texans defeated the Dolphins, Smith was fined $21,000 by the NFL – reduced to $11,000 after his appeal – for kicking Incognito while both were on the ground after a play.
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http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...unter-escalates-feud-between-incognito-smith/
 
thunderkyss said:
IMO, Wade Smith should be out of the conversation. They should be looking to trade him (coming off a "pro-bowl" season), or cut him now & let him find a job.
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They would have to waive him injured, which means he would count against the cap, anyway.
 
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