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Eagles WR Riley Cooper in deep you know what due to using N word ...
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hot pickle
Canada Eh
I'm sure 90% of the people here have used a racial slur at one point in time. the difference... we are not in the NFL and it wasnt put on youtube. so everyone arguing is pointless. its a non issue. after week 1 this will be a non story
Your "issue" is your ignorance or you being purposefully obtuse. You don't want to be lectured but don't understand that the same word can be used and in one case it's seen as not offensive and in the other situation it's seen as offensive based on who's saying and the context it's used in.
I've seen white guys jokingly call each other cracker or honky and I've seen Hispanic people jokingly call each other wetback. I've also seen women call each other heffer...or even *****. But I guess I have enough common sense to know that they weren't saying it in an offensive way and if I said it randomly to them or about them they'd likely consider it offensive.
But I guess basic understanding and common sense eludes some folks.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I don't see CBS Evening News leading with: No-Name, Backup NFL Wide-Receiver Use The N-Word, then following with:
In other news, Major League Baseball about to hand out unprecedented suspensions & bans in worst cheating scandal in history.
More Nancy Grace than the Worldwide Leader In Sports, imo.
Dumb. What's funny is the knucklehead saying he's going to kick butt on all black persons at the Kenny Chesney concert.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think discernment should be the key word. I can scream "you bunch of cream pies" to my friends (hefty or not) and get a different reaction at a WeightWatcher's convention. It then becomes more significant if I yell "I will beat every cream pie in here."
As a kid the rule was say what you want but be ready for the consequences.
As a kid the rule was say what you want but be ready for the consequences.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
I don't see CBS Evening News leading with: No-Name, Backup NFL Wide-Receiver Use The N-Word, then following with:
In other news, Major League Baseball about to hand out unprecedented suspensions & bans in worst cheating scandal in history.
More Nancy Grace than the Worldwide Leader In Sports, imo.
Dumb. What's funny is the knucklehead saying he's going to kick butt on all black persons at the Kenny Chesney concert.
Sports news is driven by ratings and money just as the mainstream (or non-mainstream) media is. No one gives a crap about baseball anymore, and everyone is tired of hearing about roids in baseball. NFL is king, hence the media coverage.
Same reason the news carries the royal baby (sorry Mom!) and Zimmerman over revolutions and war crimes. They drive ratings.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I don't understand why people can't see your point - context matters. For instance a group of girls of any racial makeup starts hanging out together, they will start teasing each other. Some groups will never go beyond very bland teasing. Others will start calling each other b!tch, skank, etc. The intent is well known to the group and the tone of voice should be an obvious signal to others. If all the significant others are also part of the group everyone will start thinking nothing of the guys using the same terms. BUT someone from outside the pack comes in and has the temerity to just jump right in and hackles are going to raise. That's even for a friendly use. Make it a hostile use and you are right back to the original insulting nature of the term no matter what. Context matters - joking around with partying friends is very different thatn trying to provoke a fight.
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
There are several issues going on here!
* hes more than likely been drinking
* he feels the need to pick a fight cause
the alcohol makes him "invincible
* hes young and immature
* has no respect
* using the (N) word
* works in the NFL where minorities out number white players
the reality is?
* he would never use that word in the streets of Philly
knowing he would end up a casualty
* players are gonna catch wind of this and punish him severely
* he better pray like Hell nobody from the streets recognizes him
young, drunk, racist and stupid are the worst combination you
could have if you want to live in Philly cause it will eventually
catch up with you
Depends on which street. I worked in Philly for a couple of years. I heard that word used more freely there than anywhere I have ever lived.
He would be right at home in one of the Italian or Irish areas.
To be clear, the black guy that upset him never heard him utter the word. What we saw on the video, he was telling his friend what he would do to all the people back stage that fit that description.
He was showing out for his posse, not trying to offend the offender.
It's not always an insult. It's an ugly word, but someone like Ice Cube can use it as a bond of brotherhood in some occasions & at other times as an insult.
Alan Keyes should never say the word. Like me, it would come out as unnatural. It's not in our normal speech patterns. It's not "the way we talk" & anyone would be able to pick up on it. The word means something in particular to me, I think it means the same to Alan Keyes, & you could hear it in our inflection.
Similarly most non black Americans should never use the word. Same reason Alan Keyes & I should never say it. At the same time, there are a few that can pull it off. I can't think of any off the top of my head right now... maybe Marshall Mathers.... maybe Justin Beiber..... Bill Clinton could probably say it no problem.
But it's not the word that's an insult, it is what is meant when it is said.
hot pickle
Canada Eh
When they interviewed mike vick about it, it just seemed like he wanted to say.. "Man whooo cares" lol
The black guy's not buying the apology at the press conference.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
I really hope the re-show the ****er Guy episode of South Park soon.
The black guy's not buying the apology at the press conference.
I couldn't help but laugh at that. He does have that look like he's not buying the BS.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Seems many aren't buying it and what some of us talked about earlier...opposing players motivation..is in motion
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...elphia-eagles-loses-respect-riley-cooper-slur
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...elphia-eagles-loses-respect-riley-cooper-slur
TheIronDuke
All Pro
This is so ****ing stupid. If a black guy in a group of black guys called a white dude a cracker or whatever, no one would give a crap, including myself. It's a friggin word, people need to get a grip.
People keep saying this, but I've asked and can't find one example of this happening. I'm not talking about rappers, singers, and any other type of artist. I'm talking about someone in the sports world where sponsors play a huge role.
I'm in the group that's personally not up in arms because it looks like he'll never have a good relationship with his teammates again. If one of my friends was caught talking like this it was cause me to re-evaluate our friendship as well. Its hard to trust a guy you feel like may be hiding some hatred for you or people like you. To me, this boils down to those relationships and the relationship with the organization. It'll never be the same again right or wrong.
That was funny as **ll to me. Again speaking solely for myself, given the make up of the NFL, if Cooper had sounded as if he had adapted in the culture that uses the word in everyday vocab, then I would think, uh, ok. But, on the other hand, kneegar (?), scratching my head, don't know about that one, bro.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Ultimately, he will get released. Decisiveness in the locker room kills teams and this does nothing but divide the locker room. He's not that good of a player either.
He already has the first foot out the door.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...er-philadelphia-eagles-leaves-team-counseling
If you have to ask this question then there's a bigger problem than we know in this country. Look at the reaction at Ole Miss when Obama was re-elected.
His black teammates don't trust him anymore. I see nothing wrong with it. If I was recorded saying "I'll F up any (insert whatever white derogatory name you wish) in here", I would expect my white friends to look at me a little sideways for a while. I honestly think it will and should blow over, but right now they feel like the guy they knew showed an ugly side of himself they didn't like.
I wish every person could sit down with an older black person who really had to face racism in the south. I sit down with my grandmother about once a week who is 86 and its crazy to hear some of the stories she went through. We talked today about the ugliness of the word and how it makes her cringe every time she hears it. I also talked to my dad who expressed his frustration with the younger and sometimes older black generation using the word and how he doesn't like it. Neither of us ever involve it in our vocabulary, but the ugliness of the word being used in the way Cooper did can't be ignored.
Rey tried explaining the difference of it being used between other black people and the way Cooper used it. Is it right? Maybe not, but as of right now it is what it is.
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Blake
MMQB
Disclaimer: I dont like Josh Innes, but thought his take was funny.
He and Lord was discussing the Cooper comments vs. the Jones homeless stomp. They both felt that Jones stomp was a bigger story because its assault vs. hurtful words, but we are so focused on race issues right now that its being blown way out of proportion. Josh says that nobody talks about the Jones stop as a black on white hate crime, but if it was white on black people would see it as a hate crime, then he jokingly says he thinks Jones stomped on the homeless guy because he was white.
He and Lord was discussing the Cooper comments vs. the Jones homeless stomp. They both felt that Jones stomp was a bigger story because its assault vs. hurtful words, but we are so focused on race issues right now that its being blown way out of proportion. Josh says that nobody talks about the Jones stop as a black on white hate crime, but if it was white on black people would see it as a hate crime, then he jokingly says he thinks Jones stomped on the homeless guy because he was white.
Well we could assume that, and then dig into the victim's many arrests to try to justify why he deserved it including that he's a heavy drug user. There's also some kind of sex offender arrest on his record too. That's what we do these days right?
Blake
MMQB
Comical statement. I assume you are talking about TM. I dont recall anyone saying he deserved it.
How convenient
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Too bad Roddy White and Victor Cruz didn't catch the same flack Riley Cooper is getting for the things they've said recently, but I suppose it's too much to expect that.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
No one was saying it outright, but a few posters on that thread were trying really hard to tear down Martin in an attempt to show why it was okay that GZ shot him.
Cooper is a fringe player who can't survive controversy. If he were a starting WR, he would survive this.
What did they say?
The only reason it was "OK" (within the law) was GZ getting his head bashed in and "fearing for his life and or wellbeing" and responding to force with force.
If GZ didn't have a broken nose & abrasions on the back of his head , he's likely sitting in a cell waiting for a ride to the neighborhood prison.
Race and past history don't matter one iota in deciding the guilt or innocence ...
I see. You obviously don't understand what the outrage is about.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Oh, but you didn't see just as many doing that to Zimmerman and even taking it further by confirming his guilt before the trial even took place or even paying attention to the trial?? Lol!
Man, you guys only like to see things one way and that is mainly because of how the media controls you guys like robots.
Hell, this guy looks like a moron for saying this in the manner he did especially where people were able to put it on film, but the fact that this is a high story when there are so many other real "football" stories taking place ought to put some common sense in some of you guys that the media is just trying to stir things up with race for ratings and controversy, and you guys eat it up. Let a player like Cam Newton say something similar and it wouldn't hit the back page news. However if it did, a lot of you would probably call them enlightening.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
If there was video of a homeless guy getting stomped, then it would be a bigger story. Cooper's story went viral and keeps getting refreshed.
A guy stomping on a homeless guy simply because he can should be a bigger story than it is. Jones comes off as a world-class POS. Cooper just comes off as an entitled white trash moron from Florida.
Funny, because Fox News zombies and Limbaugh's dittoheads (robots you say?) represent the the other side, influencing and brainwashing minds to side with Zimmerman, who appears to be some kind of white knight savior for some folks.
See, roads go both ways...if you're not stuck at a dead end, of course.
As far as the "n-word" (not directed specifically at anyone), are people really so obtuse that they are simply unable to understand the power of the word in context with our history? Or is rampant ignorance about our nation's history the cause here? It's mind-boggling that anyone would defend it as "just a word", because this mentality completely invalidates the history, intent, and suffering of those that have endured it as a very mean spirited and quite insidious representation of bad intentions.
I'm as far from "politically correct" as they come, but that does not mean I have to be a delusional moron about some of the issues that aligned with PCism. Genocide of the Native Americans and centuries of slavery of blacks are two of those issues. Today's realities are forged by these events, and only blatant ignoramuses are unable to comprehend the cause and effect cycles of history.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
MSR...however, it's still a sad state of affairs that you had to come in here and explain this to folks...............in 2013.
It's not that they are ignorant, it's that they think it was no big deal. Millions of people were slaves before black people were slaves in America. You don't here them whining about it.
Millions of people were systematically wiped out similar to the Natives of the American continents, way before Columbus took that left at Albuquerque, you don't here them complaining.
We're just too sensitive.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
Seems like someone is feigning ignorance of historical context. It is IMPOSSIBLE for that one word to carry the same meaning for one race as it does for the other. When it comes to "the n-word," the double-meaning/standard is built into the word itself.
Yes, historical context matters A LOT when it comes to THAT particular word.