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Stemp said:
Seriously? You guys don't remember the scooby doo costume pic and story?

Plenty of women and parties at A&M but the guy just wanted to party with his friends in austin. What's so horrible about that? Oh yeah, drunk idiot ut frat boys.
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He pulled a Zimmerman and got out of his car when he probably should have known that all he would find in Austin is trouble. Not saying he cant come to Austin, but dont expect a drama free time. And to Manziel, newsflash, college football rivals are heated, and their fans can be downright mean when it comes to football passions.
 
Blake said:
He pulled a Zimmerman and got out of his car when he probably should have known that all he would find in Austin is trouble. Not saying he cant come to Austin, but dont expect a drama free time. And to Manziel, newsflash, college football rivals are heated, and their fans can be downright mean when it comes to football passions.
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Especially at a frat party. Unless Manziel is just completely dumb and naive, what did he expect would happen to him at a frat party at UT? He had to know there would be trouble as the night went on.
 
Stemp said:
It's not like he's complaining about the attention.
The media is the one writing up stories every time he someone posts a pictur of him out in public
The Tebow jersey was priceless because they do the same thing to him.
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Did I say anything about him complaining?

Totally missed the point. He is on the path to make millions and is in the spot light. Right or wrong, fair or unfair on both counts he doesn't get to be a normal kid and he needs to pull his head out of his ass and realize that. He likes his superstar perks, well he needs to learn they come with superstar responsibilities.
 
infantrycak said:
Did I say anything about him complaining?

Totally missed the point. He is on the path to make millions and is in the spot light. Right or wrong, fair or unfair on both counts he doesn't get to be a normal kid and he needs to pull his head out of his ass and realize that. He likes his superstar perks, well he needs to learn they come with superstar responsibilities.
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Like not going to a party in Austin because a ********* Longhorn might dump a beer on him.

So basically, you are arguing that because there are dbags who may want to start something, he can't go out?

Funny thing is, he went to another frat party the next night and had no problems.
 
infantrycak said:
Did I say anything about him complaining?

Totally missed the point. He is on the path to make millions and is in the spot light. Right or wrong, fair or unfair on both counts he doesn't get to be a normal kid and he needs to pull his head out of his ass and realize that. He likes his superstar perks, well he needs to learn they come with superstar responsibilities.
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Fast starts have fast finishes . :vincepalm:
 
Stemp said:
Like not going to a party in Austin because a ********* Longhorn might dump a beer on him.
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First off, to be clear I have no allegiance to either UT or A&M and having said that Austin is one of my favorite cities in the country. I'd love to party there every weekend.

To answer the question, yes he should have avoided putting himself in that situation. He shouldn't have tweeted he wanted out of College Station, etc. It's a few years on a path to life long success. It is one of the biggest rivalries around. He isn't from Austin. Stay the hell out. Party there once you get out of A&M or do so in a very safe and considered manner - go to the lake, go cycling, catch a hottie at Buffalo Billiards, etc..
 
Stemp said:
So basically, you are arguing that because there are dbags who may want to start something, he can't go out?

Funny thing is, he went to another frat party the next night and had no problems.
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It doesn't seem very bright for him to have gone to that UT frat party. Could have gotten a lot worse than a beer being poured on him or empty cans being thrown over his head.

His status as A&M's star QB has every thing to do with that.

Some regular kid from A&M has a buddy that goes to UT...He goes to a party with him...As long as he isn't there being disrespectful and stuff, No one will likely notice him or care.

Manziel doesn't have that luxury....At some point it becomes a huge distraction if he keeps doing things without regards to the attention his actions receive. He's showing a pattern of questionable decisions.

That said, if he can go out on the field and maintain that level of success this year then all will be well (until draft time and his actions are going to be scrutinized like a mutha). But if he has any drop off this year then...well...I was always told things understood don't need to be explained.
 
infantrycak said:
First off, to be clear I have no allegiance to either UT or A&M and having said that Austin is one of my favorite cities in the country. I'd love to party there every weekend.

To answer the question, yes he should have avoided putting himself in that situation. He shouldn't have tweeted he wanted out of College Station, etc. It's a few years on a path to life long success. It is one of the biggest rivalries around. He isn't from Austin. Stay the hell out. Party there once you get out of A&M or do so in a very safe and considered manner.
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You obviously don't know much about Manziel either.

First, yes, he shouldn't have tweeted he wanted out of CS. It was late, he was a couple hundred miles away and he was frustrated with CS police giving him issues about where his car was parked. He didn't give any context for the tweet and the Twitterverse took it the wrong way.

Second, Manziel has every right to be at a party Austin just like anyone else. He's got friends that go to Texas, including many on the football team. And if he was invited to a party, he shouldn't have to stay away just because some idiot frat boy may try to start trouble. Players from both schools to go parties at the other campus all the time. Manziel wasn't doing anything wrong except being a Heisman winner from another school.

If he has to avoid any potential situation where someone can act like an ass then he'd pretty much have to stay home and never go out. Because that situation could just as easily have happened in College Station, or Houston or Dallas or anywhere else.

Frankly, that ballsy "I'm going to do it" attitude is what makes him Johnny Football and is a part of what makes him successful on the field and a Heisman winner.
 
Stemp said:
You obviously don't know much about Manziel either.

First, yes, he shouldn't have tweeted he wanted out of CS. It was late, he was a couple hundred miles away and he was frustrated with CS police giving him issues about where his car was parked. He didn't give any context for the tweet and the Twitterverse took it the wrong way.

Second, Manziel has every right to be at a party Austin just like anyone else. He's got friends that go to Texas, including many on the football team. And if he was invited to a party, he shouldn't have to stay away just because some idiot frat boy may try to start trouble. Players from both schools to go parties at the other campus all the time. Manziel wasn't doing anything wrong except being a Heisman winner from another school.

If he has to avoid any potential situation where someone can act like an ass then he'd pretty much have to stay home and never go out. Because that situation could just as easily have happened in College Station, or Houston or Dallas or anywhere else.
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I understand what you're saying, in an ideal world. But right now, you're just making excuses for him. He needs to realize that because of who he is, he needs to be more careful when he does certain things.

Hopefully that'll come with maturity.
 
Rey said:
I understand what you're saying, in an ideal world. But right now, you're just making excuses for him. He needs to realize that because of who he is, he needs to be more careful when he does certain things.

Hopefully that'll come with maturity.
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Be careful when he does certain things. Like walking away instead of confronting the dbag who poured a beer on him?

Let's get this straight. HE didn't do anything wrong by going to that party. Frankly, the guy who did that is lucky that Manziel's friends on the Texas football team weren't there or that guy might have gotten the sh*t kicked out of him. Maybe he should be a little more careful or have his backup around, but he didn't do anything wrong or inappropriate, no matter if the media reports it every time he farts in public.
 
Stemp said:
Be careful when he does certain things. Like walking away instead of confronting the dbag who poured a beer on him?

Let's get this straight. HE didn't do anything wrong by going to that party.
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Do you think that a woman should walk down a dark alley alone in a part of town she's unfamiliar with with 5,000 dollars taped to her forehead?

If something happens to her, I wouldn't blame the woman. I'd blame whoever decided to take advantage.

But...

In an ideal world people would be free to do whatever they wanted to as long as they weren't hurting anyone. But the reality is, we have to deal with real life and real life dictates that sometimes you have to make wise decisions based on who you are and where you're at. Sometimes you have to exclude yourself from situations where you could possibly see trouble/drama unfolding.

Manziel seems to either have a poor concept of that, or doesn't really care. Either way, his actions are going to be scrutinized.
 
Rey said:
Do you think that a woman should walk down a dark alley alone in a part of town she's unfamiliar with with 5,000 dollars taped to her forehead?

If something happens to her, I wouldn't blame the woman. I'd blame whoever decided to take advantage.

But...

In an ideal world people would be free to do whatever they wanted to as long as they weren't hurting anyone. But the reality is, we have to deal with real life and real life dictates that sometimes you have to make wise decisions based on who you are and where you're at. Sometimes you have to exclude yourself from situations where you could possibly see trouble/drama unfolding.

Manziel seems to either have a poor concept of that, or doesn't really care. Either way, his actions are going to be scrutinized.
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half the football "hero's" of the past were just downright dooche-bags, so I could sum up my thoughts as...."eh". As far as on the field, I just watched the Tamu vs Bama game recast yesterday and dooche-bags or not, Manziel is a College football God.

I gotta do some work on our word filters...I can't even spell out *********!
 
This just in, it was not David Ash who threw the beer.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/66887/manziel-kicked-out-of-ut-fraternity-party

Pretty good look at it from my view, he's just setting himself up for a huge backlash. He's been put in the spotlight he should be responsible about and realize he's got millions on the line for it. All he has to do is work hard for another few years and then he's set for life.

Hopefully he grows up, but if he doesn't and has a horrible year for A&M they'll make him part of the bonfire tradition lol.
 
Anybody think that JM is going to do what HE wants to do and realy doesn't care about millions of $$$$, what the media or anybody else thinks.

Some peoples's lives aren't ruled by the almighty $$$$. As hard as that may be for many people to believe.
 
silvrhand said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/66887/manziel-kicked-out-of-ut-fraternity-party

Pretty good look at it from my view, he's just setting himself up for a huge backlash. He's been put in the spotlight he should be responsible about and realize he's got millions on the line for it. All he has to do is work hard for another few years and then he's set for life.

Hopefully he grows up, but if he doesn't and has a horrible year for A&M they'll make him part of the bonfire tradition lol.
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Agree, the guy isn't doing himself any favors right now. What he is doing off of the field right now is also going on his resume to NFL teams.
 
steelbtexan said:
Anybody think that JM is going to do what HE wants to do and realy doesn't care about millions of $$$$, what the media or anybody else thinks.

Some peoples's lives aren't ruled by the almighty $$$$. As hard as that may be for many people to believe.
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Get serious. Don't try to make him into some sort of Mother Teresa. "Oh I don't care about the millions, I will give it all up to help out the poor collegiates (for another college) while I down this brewski in the name of a greater cause."

Can y'all stop apologizing for this talented Justin Bieber ahole?

He has time to mature. Y'all acting like all this is OK ain't helping.
 
Dan B. said:
No one does delusional like Longhorn fans do delusional. There are Horns thinking this means Manziel transfers to Texas and wins a second Heisman with a second school.
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True but the article espn just published has me a bit concerned that Johnny is under immense pressure that we frankly can't understand and that his parents are worried enough to share it with espn.

And the sad part is this manziel story will overshadow the fact that an A&M football player died in a car accident last night.


The season can't get here soon enough.
 
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http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews...-the-disconnect-between-manziels-and-am.html/


Goodness gracious. My sisters went to school with him and told me what an a-hole he was. One of my friends played football with him at Tivy. He hated him. Reading a story like this where the parents seemed to be lost. I don't feel sorry for him.

His parents worry about the pressure. There was enough pressure winning the heisman. But Johnny had to throw the rock star persona with it. This offseason. Maybe when the season starts, he can refocus
 
Stemp said:
True but the article espn just published has me a bit concerned that Johnny is under immense pressure that we frankly can't understand and that his parents are worried enough to share it with espn.

And the sad part is this manziel story will overshadow the fact that an A&M football player died in a car accident last night.


The season can't get here soon enough.
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You do realize that Manziel himself is causing a lot of that pressure?

These recent Manziel articles just highlight what some of us have said all along. He's got some maturing to do.

That "we frankly can't understand" line is ridiculous as well. This isn't rocket science.
 
Wolf said:
:kubepalm:

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews...-the-disconnect-between-manziels-and-am.html/


Goodness gracious. My sisters went to school with him and told me what an a-hole he was. One of my friends played football with him at Tivy. He hated him. Reading a story like this where the parents seemed to be lost. I don't feel sorry for him.

His parents worry about the pressure. There was enough pressure winning the heisman. But Johnny had to throw the rock star persona with it. This offseason. Maybe when the season starts, he can refocus
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Hmm, maybe Mack Brown knew what he was doing after all when he refused to recruit him. Pretty sad.
 
Wolf said:
:kubepalm:

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews...-the-disconnect-between-manziels-and-am.html/
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Also discussed is A&M’s huge earnings, coach Kevin Sumlin’s huge earnings and Johnny’s zero income for what he has brought to everyone else.

“It’s starting to get under our skin,” Paul says. “They’re so selfish.”
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As opposed to all the other high-profile BCS football programs where the head coaches are working for free, and the schools split all profits between a generous weekly allowance to the players and a handsome contribution to the United Way?
 
I honestly don't see how anyone can defend Johnny at this point. I've talked to 3 former A&M players and all of them are fed up with his act. His parents now sound like they're the ones responsible for his ways.
 
Rey said:
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That "we frankly can't understand" line is ridiculous as well. This isn't rocket science.
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Right because we all know what it's like to be a heisman winner and the most famous college football player whose every move is watched reported and scrutinized by the media. Plus there is no history whatsoever of young celebrities getting overwhelmed by all the attention and media.
 
Stemp said:
Right because we all know what it's like to be a heisman winner and the most famous college football player whose every move is watched reported a m d scrutinized by the media. Plus there is no history whatsoever of young celebrities getting overwhelmed by all the attention and media.
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What does that have to do with anything?

He's having problems (as indicated by his own father), and he's doing things of his own free will that make those problems worse. What difference does it make that you and I and everyone else on this board has no first hand knowledge of what it's like to win a Heisman, or that numerous others have had similar difficulties with living a high profile lifestyle at an early age?
 
Stemp said:
:lol:
Sure just like be did with Andrew luck and rg3.
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Not defending Mack Brown as he clearly has issues, but just sayin'. I also don't recall Luck and RGIII walking onto the Texas campus and practically begging Brown to recruit them.

Sure, I am open to the possibility that Mack was just being Mack, however maybe Manziel's reputation and issues played into the decision to not touch him.
 
Stemp said:
Right because we all know what it's like to be a heisman winner and the most famous college football player whose every move is watched reported a m d scrutinized by the media. Plus there is no history whatsoever of young celebrities getting overwhelmed by all the attention and media.
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So we should walk in Manziel's shoes? :thinking:....that sounds familiar....



Is that the only way to understand where someone is coming from? To actually be them?
 
ChampionTexan said:
What does that have to do with anything?

He's having problems (as indicated by his own father), and he's doing things of his own free will that make those problems worse. What difference does it make that you and I and everyone else on this board has no first hand knowledge of what it's like to win a Heisman, or that numerous others have had similar difficulties with living a high profile lifestyle at an early age?
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He's having issues because all the same stuff he did this time last year, going to baseball and basketball games, going to parties, hanging with his friends, is now plastered on TMZ and scrutinized by the media. The media and attention is adding a ton of pressure and no one knows how they'd react if they were a 20 years RS Sophomore who just won the Heisman and was basically the face of college football. I'm not saying he's faultless, but damn, cut the kid some slack. He's getting torn up daily for doing what other guys and football players not named Johnny Manziel do.
 
Stemp said:
He's having issues because all the same stuff he did this time last year, going to baseball and basketball games, going to parties, hanging with his friends, is now plastered on TMZ and scrutinized by the media. The media and attention is adding a ton of pressure and no one knows how they'd react if they were a 20 years RS Sophomore who just won the Heisman and was basically the face of college football. I'm not saying he's faultless, but damn, cut the kid some slack. He's getting torn up daily for doing what other guys and football players not named Johnny Manziel do.
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First, I'm not tearing him up - I'm questioning the wisdom of some of his actions, and while some of the comments of other posters on this board might be considered hurtful, or exhibiting schadenfreude, I don't believe that's what's causing Johnny problems.

He made himself famous. Like it or not, the scrutiny is what comes along with that. Others have dealt with it effectively, others have crashed and burned under the pressure. Johnny and his dad (and you) can gripe and complain about how the system isn't right and isn't fair (and you may even be right), but it isn't going to change anything, and blaming everything on something you have zero chance of changing isn't likely to be an effective form of doing things.

Bottom line - the things you are doing are causing you problems. Since you have zero control over anything in this world other than yourself - DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
 
First to clarify the media is tearing him up. Anytime he sneezes espn and other sports websites put up a story. The media helped build him up to mythic levels and now they are itching to tear him down.

Again I'm not saying he is faultless but he's getting ripped for stuff that isnt wrong or illegal. Like getting kicked out of a party after walking away when someone poured a beer on him.

Now that said, his parents aren't doing much to help him learn grow up and handle his success. His dad comes off as as whiney b*tch who worries about his sons drinking then buys him beer at the 19th hole on a golf course. I'm starting to see that dad isn't a great role model in how to handle issues like a man.
 
Ok, I take what I said back. His dad is a freaking idiot. No wonder Johnny is coming off as an entitled brat right now. His family sounds like a bunch of nutballs.
 
His dad and mom wanted to get plates for their car that had JFF Dad and JFF Mom . They should be the adults for Johnny and keep him grounded but instead they fund him to travel the world and act the fool . He should marry one of those gymnast girls who's parents ruined them .

Having been around youth sports with two sons , there were other kids who could have been like that if they hit it big . Johnny just happens to be the one who hit it .

If Johnny gets drafted , I wonder if his dad is going to want to go to all the practices and handle all of his affairs ?
 
infantrycak said:
Get serious. Don't try to make him into some sort of Mother Teresa. "Oh I don't care about the millions, I will give it all up to help out the poor collegiates (for another college) while I down this brewski in the name of a greater cause."

Can y'all stop apologizing for this talented Justin Bieber ahole?

He has time to mature. Y'all acting like all this is OK ain't helping.
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I'm not apoligizing.

I am saying that doing what JM wants to do when he wants to do it appears to be more important to him than what people like you think, his stock in a future draft etc....

He's wired differently than most people. That's all I'm saying.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not apoligizing.

I am saying that doing what JM wants to do when he wants to do it appears to be more important to him than what people like you think, his stock in a future draft etc....

He's wired differently than most people. That's all I'm saying.
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Does this sound like we're talking about someone who doesn't care what other people think?

But in one of the most concerning quotes of the story, Paul reveals that he is worried what could one day happen if Manziel doesn’t soon grow up and mature.

“Yeah,” Paul says one evening, driving in his car, “it could come unraveled. And when it does, it’s gonna be bad. Real bad.”

“He imagines a late-night call, and the cable news ticker, and the next morning’s headlines,” Thompson writes.

“It’s one night away from the phone ringing,” Paul says, “and he’s in jail. And you know what he’s gonna say? ‘It’s better than all the pressure I’ve been under. This is better than that.’”
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ChampionTexan said:
First, I'm not tearing him up - I'm questioning the wisdom of some of his actions, and while some of the comments of other posters on this board might be considered hurtful, or exhibiting schadenfreude, I don't believe that's what's causing Johnny problems.

He made himself famous. Like it or not, the scrutiny is what comes along with that. Others have dealt with it effectively, others have crashed and burned under the pressure. Johnny and his dad (and you) can gripe and complain about how the system isn't right and isn't fair (and you may even be right), but it isn't going to change anything, and blaming everything on something you have zero chance of changing isn't likely to be an effective form of doing things.

Bottom line - the things you are doing are causing you problems. Since you have zero control over anything in this world other than yourself - DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
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What problems does JM have? What problems are truly being caused by JM?

If A&M wins 10-12 games this yr will these perceived problems still exist?
 
ChampionTexan said:
Does this sound like we're talking about someone who doesn't care what other people think?
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It sure does.

All he wants to do is hang out with his friends and do what they do. Whether people like it or not that's what he's going to do.

That and win football games. Something that teams he plays on seem to do quite often.
 
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