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No Bags/Purses to Games

This has as much to do with safety of the crowd as red light cameras have to do with stopping accidents. It might be about the appearance of safety but not actual safety. And of course, how convenient that they happen to have a bag that you can purchase.

And the pointless part is the real troublemakers and terrorists will always find a way. Has the NFL never heard of the shoe bomber?

I like going once in a blue moon, especially when I get free tix, but most weeks, I'm happy as a frog on a lily pad sitting in front of my Sony 60" LCD and seeing it all in beautiful HD. No gas money, no drunk idiots running into my car, no $6 beer and $3.50 bottled water, no waiting in lines, no over-priced concessions.

Maybe McNair, Godell, et al should read a book called the Goose that laid the golden egg.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Stupid! I'm not sure this helps their campaign to get more fans to attend games. Another reason (in addition to drunks, parking, stupid fans, cost, etc) why the wife and I are happy campers at home watching on the 52 come game time.
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Having been a security guard at games

I can tell you from experience that by not allowing bags/purses into the
stadium reduces wait times for those in the back waiting to get in, eliminates any risk of someone attempting to bring in alcohol/drugs

now it doesn't mean fans won't try

I had one guy try to pull the wool over my eyes, noticed a large bulge
and questioned what it was..he proceeded to pull out several liquor
bottles which he was attempting to bring in and was forced to dump
out before he was allowed entry

but glad to see the NFL taking initiative to make games more fan friendly
 
TexasCowboy said:
Having been a security guard at games

I can tell you from experience that by not allowing bags/purses into the
stadium reduces wait times for those in the back waiting to get in, eliminates any risk of someone attempting to bring in alcohol/drugs

now it doesn't mean fans won't try

I had one guy try to pull the wool over my eyes, noticed a large bulge
and questioned what it was..he proceeded to pull out several liquor
bottles which he was attempting to bring in and was forced to dump
out before he was allowed entry

but glad to see the NFL taking initiative to make games more fan friendly
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Do you think that there is a chance that because of the new safer bags, that security presence will be lower, and the guards who are on duty, will check the bags less than before when they had to look through a rucksack?

Looking at the official NFL approved bags they're selling - it would be incredible easy to sticky tape a joint/bag of coke behind that big NFL/team logo, so that anything less than a glance at the contents of the bag wouldn't spot it.

I know it also doesn't affect you guys as much, but having gone to watch football up in Seattle people might be underestimating the value of being able to take a waterproof rucksack to the game for ponchos/rainjackets when the inevitable mid game downpour on the exposed section of the stadium begins.
 
TexasCowboy said:
Having been a security guard at games

I can tell you from experience that by not allowing bags/purses into the
stadium reduces wait times for those in the back waiting to get in
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I've been to several games and I don't ever remember waiting in line to get in and thinking OMG! why is this taking so long....
 
Rey said:
I've been to several games and I don't ever remember waiting in line to get in and thinking OMG! why is this taking so long....
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Same. I think this is mostly targeted at people who like to smuggle in their own alcohol. I guess binocular cases/bags are also out of bounds with these new rules.
 
I'm wondering who the genius is that determined 4.5 X 6.5 was the largest purse allowed? Did they measure a Kotex pad or something? Is there research that says people smuggle bombs in a 6 X 8 bag, but they don't fit in a 4.5 X 6.5 bag? It just seems like such an arbitrary set of numbers. Even 6 X 8 would make looking for something compliant a LOT easier.

I'm going to try my luck with an ever-so-slightly oversized purse at training camp next week. The smallest thing I have is 4.5 X 7.5 and it's tiny. It will hold my keys, phone, license, credit card, and cash, but nothing else. I'll be interested to see if they're out there with a ruler.

I'm not ready to give up tickets, but I have to admit the more it becomes a hassle the less I want to go. If the NFL wants to get women and children out of their stadiums this is a step in the right direction.
 
Just to let you guys know....you can not find a Texan reusable bag on NFL.com.....the Texans store at Reliant is not going to have any bags until September at the earliest.

I did find a website that reusable bags....totes that fit the required measurements and are see through...they have like 13 different types of bags that are under the required measurements......

www.clear-handbags.com

Just thought I would pass that information along.....hope it helps out.....
 
I would guess the Boston Bombing and the bags/backpacks have something to do with the sizes.
 
PapaL said:
I would guess the Boston Bombing and the bags/backpacks have something to do with the sizes.
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Was that before or after the NFL announced this? I can't remember...

Seems like this was announced a good while before that though.
 
Rey said:
I've been to several games and I don't ever remember waiting in line to get in and thinking OMG! why is this taking so long....
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Maybe you haven't but I am pretty sure others have been annoyed at
security having to inspect ever bag and pocket that fans enter the
stadium with

mattieuk said:
Do you think that there is a chance that because of the new safer bags, that security presence will be lower, and the guards who are on duty, will check the bags less than before when they had to look through a rucksack?

Looking at the official NFL approved bags they're selling - it would be incredible easy to sticky tape a joint/bag of coke behind that big NFL/team logo, so that anything less than a glance at the contents of the bag wouldn't spot it.

I know it also doesn't affect you guys as much, but having gone to watch football up in Seattle people might be underestimating the value of being able to take a waterproof rucksack to the game for ponchos/rainjackets when the inevitable mid game downpour on the exposed sections of the stadium begins.
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With this new measure in place I can see no security at the gates, but do
not think it interferes with the need of having security around the stadium
in case someone way to drunk wishes to throw down with another fan
 
StarStruck said:
I'm cool with the policy and can keep the money, debit card and phone in my jeans pocket. Anything else, where's there is a will there is a way.
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Wow. I'm not cool with the policy. I'm really sympathetic for the women including my wife who will have to show the world when they are going through their menstrual cycle or even if they are sick. Speaking of sick... how about those who have medical concerns? Children?

I'm not saying that I haven't been worried about terrorism. I have. I sure hope it never happens but it's an inevitable. That being said... I don't care. Football is our down time and it's just been militarized. Think about it... we're going from the LAMEST friskdowns that I have ever had to... being stripped of dignity.

This is just an amazingly erosive move by the Texans.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Wow. I'm not cool with the policy. I'm really sympathetic for the women including my wife who will have to show the world when they are going through their menstrual cycle or even if they are sick. Speaking of sick... how about those who have medical concerns? Children?

I'm not saying that I haven't been worried about terrorism. I have. I sure hope it never happens but it's an inevitable. That being said... I don't care. Football is our down time and it's just been militarized. Think about it... we're going from the LAMEST friskdowns that I have ever had to... being stripped of dignity.

This is just an amazingly erosive move by the Texans.
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It isn't the Texans it's NFL. I understand you having different opinion and respect such. Personally I prefer to travel light which reduces hassle. Now if I want booze in my coke or lemonade, there will be. Have you ever been through a search at some concerts yet once the lights are down you pray/hope there's no random drug test the next day at work .
 
NitroGSXR said:
Wow. I'm not cool with the policy. I'm really sympathetic for the women including my wife who will have to show the world when they are going through their menstrual cycle or even if they are sick. Speaking of sick... how about those who have medical concerns? Children?

I'm not saying that I haven't been worried about terrorism. I have. I sure hope it never happens but it's an inevitable. That being said... I don't care. Football is our down time and it's just been militarized. Think about it... we're going from the LAMEST friskdowns that I have ever had to... being stripped of dignity.

This is just an amazingly erosive move by the Texans.
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I don't know what kind of women you're use to traveling or enjoying activities with but all of the ones I hang out with have never brought along a Costco pallet of feminine napkins or products.

If you're so sick that you need a chest of medical supplies you probably shouldn't be around thousands of people. Keep in mind I said sick and not disabled; huge difference and one must be accommodated.

At the end of the day we all have options. You can always sit at home with your pallet of pads and your chest of OTC meds and enjoy the game or don't. It's a free country.
 
PapaL said:
I don't know what kind of women you're use to traveling or enjoying activities with but all of the ones I hang out with have never brought along a Costco pallet of feminine napkins or products.
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One of the most useless things ever posted and you post a lot of useless stuff as is.

If you're so sick that you need a chest of medical supplies you probably shouldn't be around thousands of people. Keep in mind I said sick and not disabled; huge difference and one must be accommodated.
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I'll be sure to pass along your message to cancer patients, AIDS patients, and other common non-contagious illnesses. Shoot... I'll even give it to the folks who merely carry around Tylenol for their headaches and those who come prepared with Preparation H. It is WAY beside the point. Whatever issue one may have... does not mean that they shouldn't be able to enjoy a football game.

At the end of the day we all have options. You can always sit at home with your pallet of pads and your chest of OTC meds and enjoy the game or don't. It's a free country.
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Keep telling yourself that, sheeple.
 
Porky said:
And the pointless part is the real troublemakers and terrorists will always find a way. Has the NFL never heard of the shoe bomber?
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Great, now we're going to need clear, see-through shoes.

I agree that attending a game is becoming more and more of a hassle each season. First came the pat downs. Annoying at first but the fact that the pat downs were nothing more than let me run my hands parallel to your body without actually touching it was the biggest waste of time ever. These things did nothing but cause massive backups in line.

Then came the magic wand. Now you've got to take everything out of your pockets, get the wand waved at you, then jam everything back into your pockets and hope you don't drop something (which I've seen dozens of times). Well, guess what? I never take anything out of my pockets (car keys, radio, extra batteries for radio, cellphone, etc.) all in my pockets, they wave the wand - nothing. I walk right in no questions asked.

And now the no purse rule comes along. Though that doesn't effect me, I sympathized with females.

I've have never felt unsafe at a sporting event ever. I'm sure people said that about marathons before too, but this is just getting ridiculous. As someone metioned, it feels like you're entering a damn militarized zone now to attend a game. Sometimes I feel like I'm being treated like a damn criminal.

I'm not at the point of giving up my season tickets yet, but I can definitely see that day coming. They'll either price me out or hassle me out or both. Especially when I think of 12 years of season tickets now, I could have had a wall of HD 60 inchers.
 
StarStruck said:
It isn't the Texans it's NFL. I understand you having different opinion and respect such. Personally I prefer to travel light which reduces hassle. Now if I want booze in my coke or lemonade, there will be. Have you ever been through a search at some concerts yet once the lights are down you pray/hope there's no random drug test the next day at work .
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Absolutely understood, it's the NFL. I'm not referring to personal choice though. You should be able to go to the game in the fashion that you prefer. I don't carry stuff around myself. I'm the guy who hits the souvenir stands AFTER the game, I walk around malls to look before heading to the stores to make the purchases instead of carrying the stuff to every store, etc... but I can't see them trying to stop me from carrying in my baby's bottle to use a different example. The fact is... this isn't really good overall.

I don't go to concerts. It isn't really my kind of thing.

:shades:
 
NitroGSXR said:
One of the most useless things ever posted and you post a lot of useless stuff as is.



I'll be sure to pass along your message to cancer patients, AIDS patients, and other common non-contagious illnesses. Shoot... I'll even give it to the folks who merely carry around Tylenol for their headaches and those who come prepared with Preparation H. It is WAY beside the point. Whatever issue one may have... does not mean that they shouldn't be able to enjoy a football game.



Keep telling yourself that, sheeple.
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Obviously you're use to people caving in and giving you your way. Keep crying. It won't help any. The safety of masses takes precedence. Don't like, don't go. Enjoy it home.

I'm sure that Tylenol and Preparation H will fit just fine in your fanny pack. Leave your duffel bag at home.
 
Inadvertently ignoring the specific needs of females at the games is just down right moronic, as it goes against all the time and efforts that the NFL has used to reel in and grow that segment of fandom..........utterly moronic.


From a Nov 2012 Forbes article:

The NFL is aware of a key component driving its business: Female fans. In recent years, the league has seen women grow to become over 44 percent of its fan base, with 60 percent of females over the age of 12 identifying themselves as NFL fans. Last season, 80 million women watched NFL games and roughly 310,000 women attended NFL games each weekend. Recognizing women’s interest in the NFL, the league has sought to find new ways to cultivate female fans’ passion for the game. One of the most significant things that the NFL has done recently to accomplish this, is overhauling its women’s apparel strategy.

In the last few years, the NFL has moved away from a “pink-it-and-shrink” it approach to women’s apparel to develop a women’s apparel line featuring items including Victoria’s Secret loungewear, Nike activewear and couture Marchesa tops. The items are largely made in team’s colors and made to fit women’s bodies. Along with clothing, the collection also includes watches, boots and accessories. In the evolution of its women’s apparel strategy, the NFL has sought to help women define themselves as fans while also providing them apparel options suiting their personalities better than pink, undersized men’s shirts.

In shifting gears in its women’s apparel approach, the NFL relied heavily upon its own research. “We looked at how the business was trending over the 7 to 8 years we had been in the business. We saw that with every move we made, the business would move. We knew there was a market for this,” said Rhiannon Madden, the NFL’s Director of Apparel. Along with Madden, the NFL’s research into the women’s apparel market was heavily driven by female NFL employees. Leading the helm of the NFL’s women’s apparel revolution were four women with a variety of backgrounds in fashion and business: Madden, NFL Vice President of Apparel Tracey Bleczinski, NFL Vice President of Retail Strategy Natara Holloway, and NFL Director of Consumer Products Johanna Paretzky. “Our department has quite a few women in it, who knew we would buy certain things as we were working on them. Luckily, we had a boss who believed in us and knew that he could put his trust in us,” said Madden.

The NFL’s research and subsequent approach have proven to be successful. Last year, the NFL brought in $3.2 billion from sales of its consumer products. While the league does not specify what percentage women’s apparel sales contributed to that amount, one can assume it was a significant portion given the efforts the NFL has taken to revamp its women’s apparel strategy. According to Bleczinski, the NFL has “. . . had women’s products for over a decade. As the business grew and we became more sophisticated with it and talked to our female fans and did research, we found that female fans don’t just want to wear pink. They want team colors and designs that fit them. As we started cater to our female fans from a licensing perspective, the business started taking off.”
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THE REST OF THE STORY
 
PapaL said:
Obviously you're use to people caving in and giving you your way. Keep crying. It won't help any. The safety of masses takes precedence. Don't like, don't go. Enjoy it home.

I'm sure that Tylenol and Preparation H will fit just fine in your fanny pack. Leave your duffel bag at home.
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Yeah, right. You can show that searching a CLEAR bag is somehow safer than searching the opaque one? Are fans statistically safer in Green Bay? If not, why do only they get to carry in seat cushions?

This is far worse "Security Theater" than the TSA and that's saying a lot.
 
disaacks3 said:
Yeah, right. You can show that searching a CLEAR bag is somehow safer than searching the opaque one? Are fans statistically safer in Green Bay? If not, why do only they get to carry in seat cushions?

This is far worse "Security Theater" than the TSA and that's saying a lot.
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What are you talking about?!? I made no mention of clear or opaque anything. I was talking about giant ass bags vs whatever random size the NFL decided was safest for their venues.
 
PapaL said:
I was talking about giant ass bags vs whatever random size the NFL decided was safest for their venues.
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Well then you need to be more clear and learn to frame a debate more accurately because what is involved here is a prohibition on anything over the size of a clutch purse unless it is clear. A clutch purse is one of those glorified billfolds women carry with them with evening gowns.

Oh and fanny packs haven't been in fashion since you were being potty trained.
 
infantrycak said:
Well then you need to be more clear and learn to frame a debate more accurately because what is involved here is a prohibition on anything over the size of a clutch purse unless it is clear. A clutch purse is one of those glorified billfolds women carry with them with evening gowns.

Oh and fanny packs haven't been in fashion since you were being potty trained.
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Or maybe you should go back and read what I actually wrote and not infer other things.

The fanny pack was an inferred shot at the person I was quoting. Nitro got sand in his vagina and took a shot at me. Notice no one mentioned you in either post either?

How's that for clearly framed?
 
Damn! Since I cant bring my bag to the game, this means no more super-bowl halftime show...
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PapaL said:
I don't know what kind of women you're use to traveling or enjoying activities with but all of the ones I hang out with have never brought along a Costco pallet of feminine napkins or products.

At the end of the day we all have options. You can always sit at home with your pallet of pads and your chest of OTC meds and enjoy the game or don't. It's a free country.
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PapaL said:
What are you talking about?!? I made no mention of clear or opaque anything. I was talking about giant ass bags vs whatever random size the NFL decided was safest for their venues.
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Just to put size in perspective, here's a picture of my fairly small hand on top of an "illegal" purse. This handbag meets the height requirement, but it's about 1" too long. I hardly consider this a giant ass bag. It wouldn't fit a full sized pad, let alone a pallet of them!

 
PapaL said:
Or maybe you should go back and read what I actually wrote and not infer other things.

The fanny pack was an inferred shot at the person I was quoting. Nitro got sand in his vagina and took a shot at me. Notice no one mentioned you in either post either?

How's that for clearly framed?
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I took a shot at you? Okayyyy. I'm going to scuttle over there on the other side. Football needs to get here quicker. It's just about the best medicine in our cabinets.

Just an FYI, a fanny pack is too big. It does not meet the new maximum size requirements. Hell... some WALLETS are too big. Get a clue instead of painting a broad brush and being a tasteless dude.
 
I got a response from the Texans in reference to the letter I sent about the bag policy. Season Ticket holders will be receiving 1 bag per account from the Texans. This is a quote from the letter:

"We will be mailing each season ticket holder account a clear tote bag. This approach will enhance safety inside and outside the stadium and speed the security screen process for all fans."
 
AggieTexan said:
I got a response from the Texans in reference to the letter I sent about the bag policy. Season Ticket holders will be receiving 1 bag per account from the Texans. This is a quote from the letter:

"We will be mailing each season ticket holder account a clear tote bag. This approach will enhance safety inside and outside the stadium and speed the security screen process for all fans."
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I hope I didn't just find out what the annual gift thats being included this year. If do it could explain the late arrival of the tickets.
 
drs23 said:
So Mike, you already got the scoop?

I bet it's a Texans logoed bumper mount BBQ pit for tailgaiting. :kitten:

Am I right?


:D
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I have no comment. All I will say is that it was shown on the Texans website in the video where they delivered the season tickets to those really rich houses.
 
PapaL said:
The safety of masses takes precedence.
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If this the the priority, why stop with just bag requirements?

Why not full body scanners? Why not strip searches? Perhaps federal background checks on every individual attending a game?

You might say I'm going overboard. To which I would reply, the safety of masses takes precedence.

Some paying customers might not feel "saaaaaafe" until full body scanners, strip searches, armed DHS agents, background checks, and drones are flying over the stadium. Heck, let's add bomb sniffing dogs to the routine for every vehicle entering stadium grounds. Do you even realize how easy it would be to rig your car with explosives to murder a bunch of innocent tailgaters?!?

Holy cow, we could be attacked at every turn!!! :eek:

Remind me again of the incident in which an NFL game was attacked by terrorists? I seem to be missing that news story from my memory banks.
 
Personally , I respect the opinions from both sides, but I don't have an issue simply because I prefer to travel light. Back when the Texans were really bad, I took a bag of paperwork to finish, but since then I haven't much need for extra stuff. Cowboys will take some adjustments because I took extra stuff to be prepared for autograph opportunities.

I learned a lot about the hassle free life during my previous employment after seeing managers traveling on international trips with a one carryon bag and using hotel cleaning services. Still not totally convinced I checked a bag for a two day trip to West Virginia and upon arriving to Columbus no bag. I found out there was a mixup and
my bag went to N Y and that persons bag was on Columbus. I ended up having to purchase clothing and necessities at Wheelings Walmart. My luggage arrived the morning I was leaving. That experience led me to rethink my travel preferences.
 
StarStruck said:
I hope I didn't just find out what the annual gift thats being included this year. If do it could explain the late arrival of the tickets.
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The clear bag is not the annual gift. I was told that the Texans would be sending out those bag to season ticket holders, but it did not come with my tickets.

It is a bag with a zipper and handles. Very orthopedic.

I suggest decorating it so it doesn't get confused with other people's bags.
 
AggieTexan said:
Just to put size in perspective, here's a picture of my fairly small hand on top of an "illegal" purse. This handbag meets the height requirement, but it's about 1" too long. I hardly consider this a giant ass bag. It wouldn't fit a full sized pad, let alone a pallet of them!

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You couldn't fit a single pad in that purse?
 
Double Barrel said:
If this the the priority, why stop with just bag requirements?

Why not full body scanners? Why not strip searches? Perhaps federal background checks on every individual attending a game?

You might say I'm going overboard. To which I would reply, the safety of masses takes precedence.

Some paying customers might not feel "saaaaaafe" until full body scanners, strip searches, armed DHS agents, background checks, and drones are flying over the stadium. Heck, let's add bomb sniffing dogs to the routine for every vehicle entering stadium grounds. Do you even realize how easy it would be to rig your car with explosives to murder a bunch of innocent tailgaters?!?

Holy cow, we could be attacked at every turn!!! :eek:

Remind me again of the incident in which an NFL game was attacked by terrorists? I seem to be missing that news story from my memory banks.
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All it takes is ONE incident. You tell me which you prefer; an inconvenience that you can plan for and were notified MONTHS in advance or a bunch of blown up people?

You act like these things don't happen every day all over the world. May not happen here but Boston proves that it can and it more than likely will.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
PapaL said:
You act like these things don't happen every day all over the world. May not happen here but Boston proves that it can and it more than likely will.
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List the terrorist attacks at major sporting events in the last year. I am being generous and not restricting to stadium events which would be analogous.
 
PapaL said:
All it takes is ONE incident. You tell me which you prefer; an inconvenience that you can plan for and were notified MONTHS in advance or a bunch of blown up people?

You act like these things don't happen every day all over the world. May not happen here but Boston proves that it can and it more than likely will.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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It's all good, Papa. Not trying to start an argument with you. Mainly just taking the perspective to it's extreme slippery slope.

The problem with trying to implement an effective security policy for a 70,000 people event is that there are going to be limits to what authorities can do.

Give me a security program for 70,000 people, and I am sure there is a way to be found to exploit the program to attack. Short of extreme security measures that I mentioned above, there is no 100% effective way to secure every single event.

At some point, we just have to realize as citizens that every time we leave our houses to go to any event, there is a certain amount of 'risk' involved as it pertains to being exposed to potential threats.

I think this policy is knee jerk reaction stuff. It is designed to make folks feel better, sort of like the very lame patdowns at the games now. Very much reminds me of security gates at most apartment complexes. They do not really stop anyone with ill will, but they make folks feel better, and that is what the NFL is doing here, IMO.
 
I'm not saying its perfect. Don't get me wrong. But something is better than nothing.

Hell remember flying 9/11? How bad was that crap? It's better now but it'll never be like it was. A couple months ago no one would've thought a backpack and a pressure cooker could cause that much damage.

The same people bitching about it now will be the same people crying and wondering why nothing was done when there is an incident.

My main point is that everyone has been told WELL in advance. Some folks act like just because they buy a ticket they're entitled to something more than a seat. If "you" don't like it, don't go. We all know damn well that seat will be resold in minutes.
 
infantrycak said:
List the terrorist attacks at major sporting events in the last year. I am being generous and not restricting to stadium events which would be analogous.
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Tell me cak, what's your magic number? To me, one is too many.

I'm sure the 260+ victims of Boston would have loved to have had this bobo security measure in place.
 
PapaL said:
Tell me cak, what's your magic number? To me, one is too many.

I'm sure the 260+ victims of Boston would have loved to have had this bobo security measure in place.
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Gee I don't know Papa. What's your limit for security? - a finger up the sphincter, someone exploring your wife and daughter's genitals and breasts, etc. Your rationale places no limit and Boston was an open environment not subject to ANY search so as I said not analogous. You could go to any building in Maryland and set off a more serious device easily.

Like DB I am not trying to fight with you overall but there has to be a discussion and a limit. Safety first is not the end of the discussion especially when the steps being implemented may do nothing for safety.
 
infantrycak said:
Gee I don't know Papa. What's your limit for security? - a finger up the sphincter, someone exploring your wife and daughter's genitals and breasts, etc. Your rationale places no limit and Boston was an open environment not subject to ANY search so as I said not analogous. You could go to any building in Maryland and set off a more serious device easily.

Like DB I am not trying to fight with you overall but there has to be a discussion and a limit. Safety first is not the end of the discussion especially when the steps being implemented may do nothing for safety.
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Well I'm sure once one person blows up a whole bunch of people with their sphincter, breasts, and/or genitals we will revisit this conversation. In the mean time comparing the size of bag to those examples is extreme. Especially when you knew in advance and have options.

How much do you want to bet Boston marathon will never be open again...just like airport security.

There's a difference between a high value target and "any building". Last I checked there aren't 70,000 people at Home Depot.

When the last "incident" was backpack bomb you think omitting said bags from high value targets is worthless? Just like when you play a team that's soft against the run up the middle; keep doing it until they stop you.
 
infantrycak said:
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OK this ranks up there on the WTFometer. Seriously, women can't bring their ordinary purses? There hasn't been a single incident at an NFL stadium making this even paranoid reasonable.
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Atleast this way u will know if its a womans time of the month and you can be sure to stay out of her way....Always gotta find the positive :tiphat:
 
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