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Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez to be Questioned

Aaron Hernandez could be the poster boy for a league-wide SEC drug policy

The Globe quoted one "longtime NFL executive" who suggested that Hernandez had failed as many as six drug tests at Florida.

Last week, Sports Illustrated reinforced that story, reporting that "Hernandez also admitted to NFL teams that he failed numerous drug tests prior to the 2010 NFL Draft."
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OK. So how many games did Hernandez miss in his three years at Florida?

One.
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If one school in the league has a three-strikes-and-you're-out drug policy, and another requires four failed tests before dismissal, that can give the second school an edge in keeping its best players on the field.

That's assuming each school sticks to its stated drug policy in every case. Hands up if you believe that.

Anyone?

Consider the curious case of former LSU star Tyrann Mathieu. USA Today reported that, according to an NFL assistant coach, when asked by that team how many drug tests he failed at LSU, Mathieu said he "quit counting at 10."

Asked about that report, LSU coach Les Miles said, "I don't really have the numbers there."

Mathieu was suspended for one game during the 2011 season, reportedly for failing a drug test for synthetic marijuana - he was later dismissed from the team before the 2012 season - but typically, it takes multiple failed tests for a player to miss even one game. Again, that number differs from school to school.

Why?

With millions of dollars at stake based on winning SEC and BCS championships, there's incentive for a school to maintain a softer policy that helps keep players on the field. There's also incentive for a school to bend its policy for a star player.
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Double Barrel said:
Probably...maybe...

Losing Welker, Gronk injured, and now Hernandez most likely out for 2013 and beyond...Captain Marvelous can only do so much without weapons.
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They did fine without Captain Marvelous in 2008. It's Belichik that's the savior of the Patriots.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Sounds like the NFL.
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I found the lack of any standards across institutions disturbing, leaving each school/Coach(?) the discretion on post positive test procedures, testing frequency, testing labs.

I have to think the star QB may get a pass on 5 positive drug tests if there's a big game on the schedule? Didn't realize nothing is standardized. Call me jaded. :kitten:
 
NitroGSXR said:
They did fine without Captain Marvelous in 2008. It's Belichik that's the savior of the Patriots.
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They did not make the playoffs in 2008.

For that reason alone, I have to disagree that they did fine for a championship dynasty. JMO

BTW, Belichick did not do much as a HC before Brady came along...
 
Double Barrel said:
They did not make the playoffs in 2008.

For that reason alone, I have to disagree that they did fine for a championship dynasty. JMO

BTW, Belichick did not do much as a HC before Brady came along...
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Way to be disingenuous. They went 11-5! They were on the wrong end of a tiebreaker for the division championship.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Way to be disingenuous. They went 11-5! They were on the wrong end of a tiebreaker for the division championship.
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Yeah, Hall of Fame QB, three rings, records in many categories including come-from-behind wins, one of two QBs in league history with multiple SB MVPs and NFL MVPs...yeah, he had nothing to do with Belichick's success at NE. Riiiiiight.

And you want to blast me with disingenuous?? :rolleyes:

I shall refrain from the rest of my thoughts. Not worth it.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yeah, Hall of Fame QB, three rings, records in many categories including come-from-behind wins, one of two QBs in league history with multiple SB MVPs and NFL MVPs...yeah, he had nothing to do with Belichick's success at NE. Riiiiiight.

And you want to blast me with disingenuous?? :rolleyes:

I shall refrain from the rest of my thoughts. Not worth it.
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What? I didn't say that Tom Brady had nothing to do with it. I'm saying that Belichick is the genious behind that Patroits engine. They have stars go down constantly including Tommy Boy yet the consistently rack up the wins. Missing the playoffs at 11-5 is an amazing feat in itself. The luck factor didn't fall their way.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Of course it doesn't. There's a big difference in being a top tier team at 11-5 and an average weak division team at 9-7. Huge difference to me.
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They had about the same chance of accomplishing their goal that year.

None. Neither team had any chance to compete for a Super Bowl that year.
 
NitroGSXR said:
What? I didn't say that Tom Brady had nothing to do with it. I'm saying that Belichick is the genious behind that Patroits engine. They have stars go down constantly including Tommy Boy yet the consistently rack up the wins. Missing the playoffs at 11-5 is an amazing feat in itself. The luck factor didn't fall their way.
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I see both Belichick and Brady as being instrumental to their dynasty. Not one over the other, but hand in glove. Like Bill Walsh/Joe Montana.

But if you want to separate, here is something for you to digest:

Belichick has amassed 187 regular season wins as a head coach. His teams have a record of 136-39 with Tom Brady as the starting quarterback. Without Brady, he's 51-65.

So for all Belichick's genius (and I am a big fan), has a losing record as HC without Tom Brady on the field.

And you do realize who was still on the team and mentoring Matt Cassel to be a better QB in 2008, yeah?

Learning from Tom Brady pays off for Matt Cassel

“Tom is a guy that has been a mentor to me since the day I walked into the league,” he said.
 
To me belichick and Brady are like Phil and his stars. Obviously a great coach, but when you add a special player or two they both benefit and become better.
 
Rey said:
To me belichick and Brady are like Phil and his stars. Obviously a great coach, but when you add a special player or two they both benefit and become better.
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I think it's difficult to separate the two. I don't think Brady would be "Brady" without Belichick & like DoubleBarrel says, Belichick wasn't that hot without Brady.

You see what Kubiak's done, would you think he's a "great" coach if Keenum turns into the next Brady?
 
Judge impounds records in homicide probe near Hernandez home


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From PFT:

According to Nick Underhill of MassLive.com, Hernandez has hired Jamie Sultan, an experienced criminal defense lawyer whose experience fits Herndanez’s potential needs more closely than that of Michael Fee, the big-firm white-collar criminal defense specialist. Per Underhill, Sultan was seen leaving Hernandez’s home on Tuesday. Fee separately told Underhill that Sultan’s firm is serving as co-counsel.

Sultan, with an undergraduate degree from Yale and a law degree from Harvard, has more than 30 years experience defending clients against criminal charges and, as his online bio explains, “fend[ing] off charges against clients under investigation.”

For now, Hernandez needs some good fending. Eventually, he may need some good defending. Either way, Sultan’s experience suggests that he’s better equipped than Fee to handle the situation.
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Attorney of man suing Aaron Hernandez shares case details

David Jaroslawicz says Alexander Bradley had been working as Hernandez's assistant when the two got into a fight outside a Florida strip club and Hernandez fired a gun at his face.

Police say Bradley originally said he didn't know who shot him, but then alleged that it was Hernandez.

The case was originally dropped because of a paperwork error, but Bradley re-filed the suit. Jaroslawicz says his client was left for dead and that Bradley didn't file the suit right away because he feared for his life.

"When you're running around with someone like Mr. Hernandez, I can understand why you wouldn't want to get the police involved unless necessary," said Jaroslawicz. "In addition of which when someone leaves you for dead, you may be afraid he may come finish the job."

Jaroslawicz claims Bradley and Hernandez went to a strip club and had some kind of dispute.

"The next thing he knew, Mr. Hernandez shot him on the side of the road," Jaroslawicz claimed.
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Well he has not yet been questioned and has remained silent. Also the Pats told him not to come to practice over being a distraction, which is understandable.
 
Just brought him out of the house in handcuffs...

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Rey said:
Yep just heard on the radio. I wonder what he'll be charged with.
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I guess we will hopefully hear something from the law now.

It almost seemed Hernandez was surprised when he opened up the door shirtless, and was immediately placed in cuffs. An act?
 
Tailgate said:
I guess we will hopefully hear something from the law now.

It almost seemed Hernandez was surprised when he opened up the door shirtless, and was immediately placed in cuffs. An act?
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Personally I would have thought they would have contacted his lawyers first & given the opportunity to turn himself in.


I don't have a problem with them showing up & cuffing him like this, I just thought they'd have done it differently.
 
The 2010 Criminal Offender Record Information (CORI) Reform Act

Unlike many other states, Massachu-setts law does not provide for expungement, which is substantively different from sealing. Expungement essentially erases a criminal record, including police reports and arrest records, as if it never existed. On the other hand, simply getting a record sealed does not erase a record; it merely keeps it confidential on some level. In fact, an order to seal in Massachusetts applies only to court and probation records and does not affect records of arresting agencies.
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We should find something out pretty soon.
 
From Massachusetts State Police twitter account:

MASS STATE POLICE ‏@MassStatePolice

We are not releasing the charge against Hernandez until it is presented to the court. Again, he will be arraigned in Attleboro Court today
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This is crazy
Such a good player
Can't believe he got himself in this position
If he gets out of this with no jail time
One team will get a heck of a player
 
The man is a thug and shouldn't be in a position to be idolized by young kids anyway.

Good riddance is all I have to say.
 
Hernandez became a father to a daughter on Nov. 6, and he said it made him think.

"I'm engaged now and I have a baby. So it's just going to make me think of life a lot differently and doing things the right way," he said. "Now, another one is looking up to me. I can't just be young and reckless Aaron no more. I'm going to try to do the right things, become a good father and (have her) be raised like I was raised."

The loss of Hernandez deprives the Patriots of the second half of one of the league's best tight end tandems. Fellow Pro Bowl selection Rob Gronkowski has had five operations this offseason on his back and broken left forearm.

Hernandez was chosen for the Pro Bowl in 2011, when he caught 79 passes for 910 yards and seven touchdowns. He missed 10 games last season with an ankle injury.

In 38 games over his three NFL seasons, the 6-foot-1, 245-pound Hernandez has 175 receptions for 1,956 yards and 18 touchdowns. Last summer, the Patriots gave Hernandez a five-year contract worth $41 million just months after the team locked up Gronkowski through 2019.

"Aaron's improved a lot," Patriots coach Bill Belichick said at the time. "He's worked hard, he's improved a lot in all phases of the game - the passing game, the running game, protection and his overall versatility. He's doing a good job for us."

Despite the size that makes him a capable blocker, Hernandez has the speed and moves of a wide receiver and is elusive after making a catch.

Born in Bristol, Conn., Hernandez played at Bristol High School before attending Florida, where he won the John Mackey Award as the nation's best tight end as a junior in 2009. He was college teammates with two current Patriots - quarterback Tim Tebow and linebacker Brandon Spikes on the team that won the national championship in 2009.

Hernandez had shoulder surgery in April, but was expected to be ready for training camp. The Patriots have not said which shoulder was operated on.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/26/3471340/pats-release-hernandez-in-homicide.html#storylink=cpy

My professional opinion: He will have enough time to heal without being rushed onto the field again. (big sarcastic smiley)
 
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IDEXAN said:
No matter what's going on here, does anybody really have any doubt that
Hernandez is starting the season opener and playing the whole year in NE ?
Any legal problems will be shoved into the 2013-14 offseason.
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On second thought ...............
 
Wow...what will the Pats do at TE (such a important position for them.) now?

Move up a practice squad player and keep rolling along?
 
He gone!!

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 3m
Aaron Hernandez has been charged with murder
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Andrew Siciliano ‏@AndrewSiciliano 4m
Aaron Hernandez charged with murder among 6 charges.
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The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 4m
BREAKING NEWS: Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez faces murder and other charges. Hernandez arraigned in Attleboro District...
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I just saw he was charged with murder. Wow. The NFL cannot be happy at all with one of it's star players being charged with murder. This goes well beyond the Ray Lewis type incident.

Has there been another currently active player charged with murder in the modern era? I can't think of any although a bunch have gotten into legal hot water.

If by some miracle, he is acquitted, his NFL career is toast. At the moment, I suspect he has bigger fish to fry.

As for the Pats, they rely on the TE so much it's not funny. Now one of their two main cogs is up on murder charges, and the other one is injured. Mr. Brady cannot be too happy. I do know this though - BB will make adjustments. That's part of what makes him a great coach. He won't try to fit a round peg into a square hole. Brady will make adjustments too. And they may not be a SB team this year, but they'll find a way to be good. They always do.
 
Porky said:
I just saw he was charged with murder. Wow. The NFL cannot be happy at all with one of it's star players being charged with murder. This goes well beyond the Ray Lewis type incident.

Has there been another currently active player charged with murder in the modern era? I can't think of any although a bunch have gotten into legal hot water.

If by some miracle, he is acquitted, his NFL career is toast. At the moment, I suspect he has bigger fish to fry.

As for the Pats, they rely on the TE so much it's not funny. Now one of their two main cogs is up on murder charges, and the other one is injured. Mr. Brady cannot be too happy. I do know this though - BB will make adjustments. That's part of what makes him a great coach. He won't try to fit a round peg into a square hole. Brady will make adjustments too. And they may not be a SB team this year, but they'll find a way to be good. They always do.
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Ray Carruth, total scumbag, Carolina Panthers.
 
Maybe I've missed it, but has anyone read the details of the murder? They're saying it was an execution type murder? How was the guy murdered to make it execution style?
 
HOU-TEX said:
Maybe I've missed it, but has anyone read the details of the murder? They're saying it was an execution type murder? How was the guy murdered to make it execution style?
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From listening to hearing, there were multiple gunshot wounds, and the victim was turned in a defensive posture, and was alive and left for dead. Dont quote me...
 
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