1st Round- DeAndre Hopkins WR Texans

[76Texan]

Can I see some of these articles? I just went through a few years of the combine and checked out the top wr performers in the 20 yd short shuttle. None of the names impressed me very much. I then looked at most positions and I didn't see many impressive guys. Austin Pettis with a 3.88, Shiloh Keo with a 3.90, Jeff Maehl with a 3.94, Mike Mohamed with a 4.00, Terrence Toliver with a 4.03, Antwaun Molden with a 4.14, and on and on and on. What number do guys HAVE to hit in this drill? I love what Hopkins brings. He's got very long arms, huge hands, a 36 inch vertical. He is a stud. The only thing I cannot find is his 3-cone drill number.

I think you want a combination of as many test scores as possible:
The 10-yd split, the vertical, the broad jump - all are designed to measure the explosiveness of a receiver (and the forty time is also a consideration, with the 3-cone time not as important for receivers.)
Hopkins isn't among the top guys with a good combination of those tests.

 

[greekdbag]

I would agree that having Tajh Boyd was extremely beneficial to Hopkins. I don't understand why some people think Boyd is overrated. I'm not picking on any poster here, because I live in ACC country and I hear it down here as well. I have Boyd as my #1 quarterback prospect for next year. He and Bridgewater look the most impressive to me.

Boyd is somewhat like a Russell Wilson, in that he just makes plays. He doesn't stand out physically, but he just makes it happen. I remember Russell Wilson at NC State and he was an absolute monster, much like Boyd. I was always very high on Wilson, much higher than most, but maybe that's because not alot of people got to see him play for NC State. It was not like at Wisconson; many times at NC State he would throw it 40 times a game. He was so good and used to BURN Florida State. Boyd does the same thing.

More on topic, Hopkins is probably pretty difficult to grade. Clemson's offense is so unique and Tajh Boyd does keep plays alive with his legs, that sometimes guys just get WIDE open. I love Hopkins though and I think he is going to be a hell of a pro. Many times that he did get wide open, he got himself open through route running precision, so I am not at all concerned about him being a product of their system.

Bridgewater is miles ahead of Boyd for me. I have never been able to get on the Tahj Boyd wagon. Maybe it's because I watched a bunch of his games in 2011 and his accuracy was not impressive to me.

 

[76Texan]

And I'm saying that your assertion that Hopkins can't be a number 1 is silly. Unless you're hitting on every prospect that you study then there's no way you can say with certainty that he can't or won't be a number 1.

I'm saying that the probabilty is not high.

You have to take into considerations all of those tests that I just mentioned in a post above. They don't give as a good a probability than those that were studied in a certain metric valuation that some board members had posted somewhere. (I think CNND had a post in the NFL forum about it.)

 

[greekdbag]

I think you want a combination of as many test scores as possible:
The 10-yd split, the vertical, the broad jump - all are designed to measure the explosiveness of a receiver (and the forty time is also a consideration, with the 3-cone time not as important for receivers.)
Hopkins isn't among the top guys with a good combination of those tests.

Well, a 1.55 10-yard split is really good and a 36 inch vertical is good as well. He also killed it in the gauntlet drill. And he measured in with very big hands and very long arms as I've said before. I just see a Roddy White clone when I watch him play, though, which is what matters most.

He had the over 4.5 forty time at the combine but he ran sub 4.5 at his pro day so take that for what it's worth.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/st...-clemson-tigers-runs-40-yard-dash-441-seconds

 

[greekdbag]

The only guy I would have taken over Hopkins is Datone Jones and he went one spot before. I also liked Sylvester Williams, but Hopkins was higher on the list for me. And has it been confirmed that Minnesota offered us the same trade as they offered to NE? Rick Smith's brother is on twitter lol and he said the only trade down offer they had involved an added fifth rounder. If you want Hopkins badly, which the Texans did, you don't risk losing him just to add an extra fifth.

 

[Texn4life]

I'm saying that the probabilty is not high.

You have to take into considerations all of those tests that I just mentioned in a post above. They don't give as a good a probability than those that were studied in a certain metric valuation that some board members had posted somewhere. (I think CNND had a post in the NFL forum about it.)

The tests set the ceiling huh? I must be too old school to understand that and I'm only 31. Sorry, I'm just not buying what you're selling in this particular situation.

 

[76Texan]

The tests set the ceiling huh? I must be too old school to understand that and I'm only 31. Sorry, I'm just not buying what you're selling in this particular situation.

No, it doesn't set the ceiling, it gives you a certain probability.

A guy with a good combination of a 10-yd split, the vertical, and the broad jump demonstrates more explosiveness than one who doesn't.

Then you add those with the facts whether he can run good routes, which Hopkins does well (but not great).
Then you consider the fact that he had quite a few dropped balls, and you have to factor that into your consideration.
Some may think it a red flag when he took plays off against lesser opponents (I don't.)

In the process of evaluation, like I had mentioned before, there are other things you want to consider: the level of play of the QB (whether the running game or the line play hurt or helped), the level of competition, etc.

 

[Texn4life]

No, it doesn't set the ceiling, it gives you a certain probability.

A guy with a good combination of a 10-yd split, the vertical, and the broad jump demonstrates more explosiveness than one who doesn't.

Then you add those with the facts whether he can run good routes, which Hopkins does well (but not great).
Then you consider the fact that he had quite a few dropped balls, and you have to factor that into your consideration.
Some may think it a red flag when he took plays off against lesser opponents (I don't.)

In the process of evaluation, like I had mentioned before, there are other things you want to consider: the level of play of the QB (whether the running game or the line play hurt or helped), the level of competition, etc.

Again, I respect the time you put into your research but it makes me chuckle some. Anyway, I see where you stand on it and disagree with his elite "probability". Keep doing what you do though even if I disagree with you on occasion.

 

[76Texan]

Well, a 1.55 10-yard split is really good and a 36 inch vertical is good as well. He also killed it in the gauntlet drill. And he measured in with very big hands and very long arms as I've said before. I just see a Roddy White clone when I watch him play, though, which is what matters most.

He had the over 4.5 forty time at the combine but he ran sub 4.5 at his pro day so take that for what it's worth.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/st...-clemson-tigers-runs-40-yard-dash-441-seconds

From the same article:

"Not everything went perfectly for Hopkins during Thursday's workout. He dropped two passes during position drills, then promptly did 20 pushups for the pair of miscues."

This is one part of his game that is not great.
If you want to, but don't have game tapes, you can check out the game book from the ncaa football stats website (it's a pain in the neck.)
They recorded dropped balls (for some games, but not all - I think the NCAA may not have top-level statastics keepers at all games.)

 

[76Texan]

Again, I respect the time you put into your research but it makes me chuckle some. Anyway, I see where you stand on it and disagree with his elite "probability". Keep doing what you do though even if I disagree with you on occasion.

Well, the Texans had bombed before when I disagreed.
They took Anthony Hill when I said I'd rather go with Brandon Myers.

Myers eventually became a starter for the Raiders; he recently signed a 4-yr deal worth $14.25 with the Giants.

Where is Anthony Hill?

I'm just saying that to show that I do spend time evaluating players (not all of them, only those of interest to me - which means most of the receivers in the last two draft classes and a few in the next class.)

 

[greekdbag]

From the same article:

"Not everything went perfectly for Hopkins during Thursday's workout. He dropped two passes during position drills, then promptly did 20 pushups for the pair of miscues."

This is one part of his game that is not great.
If you want to, but don't have game tapes, you can check out the game book from the ncaa football stats website (it's a pain in the neck.)
They recorded dropped balls (for some games, but not all - I think the NCAA may not have top-level statastics keepers at all games.)

I still don't think drops will be a big problem for him. His hands are large and in charge. What did you think of Justin Hunter if you have the time? He is a guy I did not get to watch very much. I just saw the stats saying he had the most dropped passes in the 2012-2013 season and that he had acl surgery the year before last which seemed to make him hesitant over the middle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nHtKg5AQ0

 

[greekdbag]

Well, the Texans had bombed before when I disagreed.
They took Anthony Hill when I said I'd rather go with Brandon Myers.

Myers eventually became a starter for the Raiders; he recently signed a 4-yr deal worth $14.25 with the Giants.

Where is Anthony Hill?

I'm just saying that to show that I do spend time evaluating players (not all of them, only those of interest to me - which means most of the receivers in the last two draft classes and a few in the next class.)

I don't think you were the only one not impressed with the Anthony Hill pick. His injury problems alone made me skeptical of him. But I definitely give you credit for hitting on Myers. Didn't the Broncos draft TE Richard Quinn earlier in that draft and he was a somewhat similar player to Hill? He hasn't done anything in the league either.

 

[leebigeztx]

Can I see some of these articles? I just went through a few years of the combine and checked out the top wr performers in the 20 yd short shuttle. None of the names impressed me very much. I then looked at most positions and I didn't see many impressive guys. Austin Pettis with a 3.88, Shiloh Keo with a 3.90, Jeff Maehl with a 3.94, Mike Mohamed with a 4.00, Terrence Toliver with a 4.03, Antwaun Molden with a 4.14, and on and on and on. What number do guys HAVE to hit in this drill? I love what Hopkins brings. He's got very long arms, huge hands, a 36 inch vertical. He is a stud. The only thing I cannot find is his 3-cone drill number.

you can go to nfldraftscout.com and look at every players combine and pro day #s. In fact, go look at the top 20 wrs in the nfl and check their shuttle #s. That's what I did months ago after watching wrs on tape. When I see guys like patterson and hopkins in the 4.5 range for the shuttle, that's an alarm for me. Like I said before, aquan boldin was a 4.7 40yd dash guy. If u watched Q in college , he got great seperation. People wonder how he gets open with a 4.7,but he's a 4.1 in the shuttle which is short area quickness. That's vital as a wr.

 

[infantrycak]

So you expected Hopkins to be a number one receiver?
Or do you mean that you don't mind spending a first round pick on a number two?

I don't mind spending a first round pick on a #2 (which is duh, a starting position) and frankly your whole point on this is months late. WR for the Texans was a top consideration since draft talk began.

Oh and to state what should be ludicrously obvious - ANY WR BROUGHT IN WITH AJ WAS GOING TO BE THE #2 WR.

 

[otisbean]

you can go to nfldraftscout.com and look at every players combine and pro day #s. In fact, go look at the top 20 wrs in the nfl and check their shuttle #s. That's what I did months ago after watching wrs on tape. When I see guys like patterson and hopkins in the 4.5 range for the shuttle, that's an alarm for me. Like I said before, aquan boldin was a 4.7 40yd dash guy. If u watched Q in college , he got great seperation. People wonder how he gets open with a 4.7,but he's a 4.1 in the shuttle which is short area quickness. That's vital as a wr.

BUT, Hopkins also ran a 6.83 3 cone which is a good time and also shows short area quickness. I love the 20yd short shuttle and use it with most of the athletes I train, there is some technique to it and it definitely favors shorter guys and those with a wider frame.

 

[Jackie Chiles]

you can go to nfldraftscout.com and look at every players combine and pro day #s. In fact, go look at the top 20 wrs in the nfl and check their shuttle #s. That's what I did months ago after watching wrs on tape. When I see guys like patterson and hopkins in the 4.5 range for the shuttle, that's an alarm for me. Like I said before, aquan boldin was a 4.7 40yd dash guy. If u watched Q in college , he got great seperation. People wonder how he gets open with a 4.7,but he's a 4.1 in the shuttle which is short area quickness. That's vital as a wr.

I search the same site and came up with Hakeem Nicks as a guy with a poor shuttle time that has had a lot of success. Both have good hands and similar size, hopefully we get that kind of production. Overall though tough to find a lot of guys that have had success with that kind of shuttle time so I share your concern.

 

[76Texan]

I don't mind spending a first round pick on a #2 (which is duh, a starting position) and frankly your whole point on this is months late. WR for the Texans was a top consideration since draft talk began.

Oh and to state what should be ludicrously obvious - ANY WR BROUGHT IN WITH AJ WAS GOING TO BE THE #2 WR.

True, but there are other options.

1. Take the trade with the Vikings to get their second, third, fourth, and seventh that Bilichick was able to swindle with a lower draft choice than ours.
Use those 4 picks plus the pick for Bonner to acquire 5 receivers (if you want to), a couple might be risky if selected alone. But with 5 picks, you can afford to take some risks with guys like Swope, Da'rick Rogers, Marcus Davis, Mark Harrison, Rodney Smith, etc.
Or you can use one or two of those picks to move back up.
Or you can use one or two of those picks to get players at other position.
Or you can trade them away for future picks that you can combine with your first next year to grab a better prospect.
(Like I had said before, there will be some very interesting prospects next year.)

2. Try to swindle a trade similar to the Pats in 2011, when they traded their #28 to the Saints for the #56 and the Saints first in 2012 (it ends up to be either the #21 or 25).
Use #56 on a solid guy, Aaron Dobson, for example (who's not as good as Hopkins, but you have the extra first in 2014 to combine with your first to move up.
Or you can trade down again to get two picks. With those two and the Bonner's pick, you can take a solid guy in the next tier and two flyers.
You still has the future first in 2013.
With the extra money that you don't have to pay for your first, combine it with the remaining cap to obtain a veteran like Brandon Floyd.

3. You can also try to trade Kmart away, or throw him into a trade.
He could be worth anywhere between a fourth to a sixth.
Or if you're Bilichick, you may even get third round value for him.
The reason I include Kmart is such that it gives you the flexibility to justify the selection of a guy like Stedman Bailey or Ryan Swope or Kenny Stills.

4. Trade down like in the first scenario, then trade away all those picks for future consideration (as many as possible). Let's say, trade away the second and third round picks. With the two remaining picks from that trade (the fourth and the seventh) along with the Bonner's pick, take a flyer on any 3 guys that you like (including Da'Rick Rogers).
Now that you don't have to spend money on a first rounder, you can combine it with whatever you got left in cap room to work out a deal with a Brandon Lloyd.
You now have a solid veteran that allows the team the time to develop the unfinished products that you took the risk on.
And you still have one or two future picks left.

 

[HOU-TEX]

When does rookie camp start? Sure hope it can spring a topic or two to discuss around here

 

[76Texan]

I still don't think drops will be a big problem for him. His hands are large and in charge. What did you think of Justin Hunter if you have the time? He is a guy I did not get to watch very much. I just saw the stats saying he had the most dropped passes in the 2012-2013 season and that he had acl surgery the year before last which seemed to make him hesitant over the middle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nHtKg5AQ0

Hunter is a more explosive prospect than Hopkins, but he does have that injury (coupled with the fact that he has a skinny build that CNND had talked about that may increase the risk of a recurrence or a different injury).

He isn't as good a route runner as Hopkins currently, but the tests do show that he has the tools to do so.

 

[76Texan]

The only guy I would have taken over Hopkins is Datone Jones and he went one spot before. I also liked Sylvester Williams, but Hopkins was higher on the list for me. And has it been confirmed that Minnesota offered us the same trade as they offered to NE? Rick Smith's brother is on twitter lol and he said the only trade down offer they had involved an added fifth rounder. If you want Hopkins badly, which the Texans did, you don't risk losing him just to add an extra fifth.

Whatever smoke screen they threw out there doesn't much matter.

The fact remains that Belichik was able to pull out that deal.
Unless Belichick had some dirt on the Vikings' GM, it would be sad if Rick Smith can't pull a similar deal if the Texans chooses to go that route.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Bridgewater is miles ahead of Boyd for me. I have never been able to get on the Tahj Boyd wagon. Maybe it's because I watched a bunch of his games in 2011 and his accuracy was not impressive to me.

He does have some odd runs of inaccuracy, but they usually don't persist.

 

[NCTexan]

Whatever smoke screen they threw out there doesn't much matter.

The fact remains that Belichik was able to pull out that deal.
Unless Belichick had some dirt on the Vikings' GM, it would be sad if Rick Smith can't pull a similar deal if the Texans chooses to go that route.

I feel like the Vikings reached out to the Patriots, not the other way around. Why do people seem to assume that they reached out to us as well?

 

[76Texan]

I feel like the Vikings reached out to the Patriots, not the other way around. Why do people seem to assume that they reached out to us as well?

I assume that it's a GM's job to coordinate all the guys on his staff to work on all angles on draft day.

 

[Rey]

I assume that it's a GM's job to coordinate all the guys on his staff to work on all angles on draft day.

Lets be real here. These are people doing these jobs. How do we even know the Viking had made up their mind about trading up when we were on the clock? There are 31 other teams out there constantly making and changing their minds.

There is no way to be in tune with what every franchise wants to do because all those other franchises may not know what they want to do at that time. You only have a set amount of time to make these moves.

But all that said, it's a moot point. Texans stated they wanted Hopkins and were concerned he might not even make it to them. They weren't in the trade down market once the guy they targeted had fallen to them.

 

[Rey]

Hell, for all we know the Pats could have wanted Hopkins as well and only traded back once he wasn't there anymore. A lot of these WR's you guys wanted were still on board at the Pats pick too. They traded down and skipped over all those guys.

Hopkins could have been their guy.

I can come up with a bunch of draft day speculation.

 

[76Texan]

It can't be a coincidence that the Patriots had come up with a lot of draft day trades, either down or up.

Perhaps they have a draft-trade response system similar to their plug-and-play offensive philosophy?

For example, they might have a methodical sequences where all the members of the staff can execute on draft day for each situation that may arise; ie. they have contigency plans for everything (from known events that they had encountered in the past)!?!

 

[infantrycak]

True, but there are other options...

"blah, blah, blah - I have become a draftnick and love playing with my draft picks - blah, blah, blah."

If you get the player you want you take him not play monkey throwing darts at a board based on what may be a 12 year old posting rankings of draft prospects.

Your assertion teams shouldn't use a 1st round pick on a #2 WR remains silly.

 

[Playoffs]

Hell, for all we know the Pats could have wanted Hopkins as well and only traded back once he wasn't there anymore. A lot of these WR's you guys wanted were still on board at the Pats pick too. They traded down and skipped over all those guys.

Hopkins could have been their guy.

I can come up with a bunch of draft day speculation.

Yep, or the Ravens ( Jacoby #2?) or whoever was going to trade up to the top of the 2nd to snatch a WR before the Bills.

 

[76Texan]

"blah, blah, blah - I have become a draftnick and love playing with my draft picks - blah, blah, blah."

If you get the player you want you take him not play monkey throwing darts at a board based on what may be a 12 year old posting rankings of draft prospects.

Your assertion teams shouldn't use a 1st round pick on a #2 WR remains silly.

That's fine; I've already stated that it is my "preference" to find a real play-maker in my system (whether it's on the offensive side or defensive side).
Other people can have their own preference.

As far as draft-day trades goes, Belichik averages 3.71 trades per draft.
I share his philosophy.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9213915/nfl-draft-2013-new-england-patriots-trade-first-round-pick-minnesota-vikings

 

[76Texan]

BTW, the Pats used those four picks on http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013-patriots-draft-picks
WR Aaron Dobson, WR Josh Boyd, CB LoganRyan, and Edge Rusher Michael Buchanan.

 

[Fred]

BTW, the Pats used those four picks on http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013-patriots-draft-picks
WR Aaron Dobson, WR Josh Boyd, CB LoganRyan, and Edge Rusher Michael Buchanan.

Sounds like a mess of pottage; no, I do not want to trade Hopkins for those guys.

Your earlier post of draft 4 or 5 WRs and hope one pans out: we already have/had a pile of Posey, Martin, Jean, Maehl, Walter, J Jones, D Jones, Anderson, Holliday, Mathis. Instead of 5 more of those lets go for someone better. If Hopkins is not better than those guys then this pick was a failure (as many picks are). But trading the pick to get 4 more JAGs is definitely a failure.

As to your argument that only spread teams need as many as 2 good WRs, I would counter that all offenses except the wishbone need at least 2 good WRs.

 

[76Texan]

Sounds like a mess of pottage; no, I do not want to trade Hopkins for those guys.

Your earlier post of draft 4 or 5 WRs and hope one pans out: we already have/had a pile of Posey, Martin, Jean, Maehl, Walter, J Jones, D Jones, Anderson, Holliday, Mathis. Instead of 5 more of those lets go for someone better. If Hopkins is not better than those guys then this pick was a failure (as many picks are). But trading the pick to get 4 more JAGs is definitely a failure.

As to your argument that only spread teams need as many as 2 good WRs, I would counter that all offenses except the wishbone need at least 2 good WRs.

I have you options:

If you don't like a bunch of players, trade them for future picks so that you can combine them to move put next year for a bigger difference maker.
Use the money that you would spend on your first rounder to sign a guy like Brandon Lloyd.

However, a bunch of guys don't have to be a mess.
Belichick is known to be able to pull a good player out of the piles.
Look at the WR draft history at Profootball reference .com for example; there are plenty of receivers who were drafted from the late second round through the seventh who turned out good to great.

You still have to do your homework.
A guy like Mike Wallace, for example, wasn't known to run good routes in college, but when you look up all the metrics (forty time, 10-yd split, 20-yd split, SS, 3-cone, vertical, and broad jump) they show a lethal combination that indicates an explosive receiver vertically, horizontally, and in the air.

Or you look at guys like Brandon Marshall, who also had good test numbers for his size, but wasn't a great route runner in college, and was from a small school.

Or a guy like Pierre Garçon, who had an excellent combination of those test scores, with the production to match, but also came from a small school.

Sometimes these sleepers came from an offense that was run-heavy, or that has a dual threat QB, or a poor QB, so the receiver didn't get enough chance to show case their talent.

 

[Texn4life]

76, I think you're completely missing the point Cak and some others are trying to make.

 

[76Texan]

76, I think you're completely missing the point Cak and some others are trying to make.

I think I understand.
They got the guy they wanted.

It's just so happen that I think there are better options; that's all.
At this point in time, I'm just griping about the different options.

 

[Texn4life]

I think I understand.
They got the guy they wanted.

It's just so happen that I think there are better options; that's all.
At this point in time, I'm just griping about the different options.

Your different options are in fantasy land though. As stated, no one knows what offers were presented and if the Texans even had a slight interest in any of the guys you listed. The Texans got the guy they wanted. Period, point blank!

I understand you think he has limited potential, but there are much more savvy football guys in the FO who disagree with you and have done a hell of a job picking in the 1st round lately. I personally trust those guys. No offense.

 

[76Texan]

Your different options are in fantasy land though. As stated, no one knows what offers were presented and if the Texans even had a slight interest in any of the guys you listed. The Texans got the guy they wanted. Period, point blank!

I understand you think he has limited potential, but there are much more savvy football guys in the FO who disagree with you and have done a hell of a job picking in the 1st round lately. I personally trust those guys. No offense.

Hey, I normally agree with their picks.
The times I disagreed slightly where a guy should be picked - like Mitchell or Sharpton, whom I graded half-to-a-round later, I think I'm ahead of them.
Or when I decided on Brandon Myers over Anthony Hill, it wasn't me who was wrong.

I can go on and on, from Dominique Baber whom I saw no potential, to Nolan who I thought was very inconsistent.

In Brandon Harris and Carmichael, I figured they wouldn't leap-frog any of our CB (KJax and McCain). They are fine, but you can always use at least one of those picks at another position. I thought Cheta was a wasted pick at the time we selected him.

On Shelley Smith, I thought they shouldn't have exposed him to the waiver.
On Okam, I said I'd rather haven him slim down rather than bulk up.

I think my evaluation of the players they drafted overall is closer to their assessment.

 

[76Texan]

I would take a little less than what Belichik can pull off.
If that deal was there, the potential for a similar deal of slightly less value is not fantasy.

Aaron Dobson was taken by the Pats; it wasn't like he's crap that nobody wanted. You're just settling for a littler lesser receiver so you can either improve other positions and trade the remaining picks for future considerations to take a better receiver next year. Trades happened every year; it's no fantasy! :vincepalm:

 

[Texn4life]

Hey, I normally agree with their picks.
The times I disagreed slightly where a guy should be picked - like Mitchell or Sharpton, whom I graded half-to-a-round later, I think I'm ahead of them.
Or when I decided on Brandon Myers over Anthony Hill, it wasn't me who was wrong.

I can go on and on, from Dominique Baber whom I saw no potential, to Nolan who I thought was very inconsistent.

In Brandon Harris and Carmichael, I figured they wouldn't leap-frog any of our CB (KJax and McCain). They are fine, but you can always use at least one of those picks at another position. I thought Cheta was a wasted pick at the time we selected him.

On Shelley Smith, I thought they shouldn't have exposed him to the waiver.
On Okam, I said I'd rather haven him slim down rather than bulk up.

I think my evaluation of the players they drafted overall is closer to their assessment.

I get it 76...... You're an expert analyst. Your talents are clearly going to waste then I guess. You should be getting paid 6 figures with how good you are at what you do when you KNOW when the Texans have wasted a pick. Rick Smith needs to have you on speed dial. You're funny though man.... Please continue.

 

[Texn4life]

I would take a little less than what Belichik can pull off.
If that deal was there, the potential for a similar deal of slightly less value is not fantasy.

Aaron Dobson was taken by the Pats; it wasn't like he's crap that nobody wanted. You're just settling for a littler lesser receiver so you can either improve other positions and trade the remaining picks for future considerations to take a better receiver next year. Trades happened every year; it's no fantasy! :vincepalm:

When you marry the girl you really want to marry you aren't worried about the other tramps on the market.

 

[76Texan]

When you marry the girl you really want to marry you aren't worried about the other tramps on the market.

Very funny!

But for me, they are two totally different deals.

One is business, one is pleasure

 

[76Texan]

What I do here is very normal.
Some fans don't like Matt Schaub or David Anderson, and they let it be known.

I like Hopkins, just not where he was drafted.
People think a certain guy is a reach or a bit of a stretch all the time.

Like Rey; he wasn't on board with the Mercilus pick and he still isn't.

He never talks about it a length, but he let it be known several times.

 

[Texn4life]

What I do here is very normal.
Some fans don't like Matt Schaub or David Anderson, and they let it be known.

I like Hopkins, just not where he was drafted.
People think a certain guy is a reach or a bit of a stretch all the time.

Like Rey; he wasn't on board with the Mercilus pick and he still isn't.

He never talks about it a length, but he let it be known several times.

The majority of people thought Duane Brown was a reach. The Texans got the guy they wanted then and got the guy they wanted now. Where they got him shouldn't matter if they believed it was a chance he wouldn't be there later. I don't mind you not agreeing with the pick. I actually wanted Robert Woods instead of Hopkins, but that's not who we have and Hopkins clearly was the guy we wanted in the 1st. Makes no difference to me then where they got him if that's the case.

 

[76Texan]

The majority of people thought Duane Brown was a reach. The Texans got the guy they wanted then and got the guy they wanted now. Where they got him shouldn't matter if they believed it was a chance he wouldn't be there later. I don't mind you not agreeing with the pick. I actually wanted Robert Woods instead of Hopkins, but that's not who we have and Hopkins clearly was the guy we wanted in the 1st. Makes no difference to me then where they got him if that's the case.

I got that from the beginning.

I'm not dense, LOL!

At any rate, I didn't even mean to drag this out so long.
I'd rather spend my time evaluating the rest of the guys.

But forums are supposed to be a place where people exchange ideas; at least, that's my thinking.
Like politics, I don't care who's right and who's wrong, and I don't take anything personal.

So, let's rest it here, shall we?

 

[steelbtexan]

The majority of people thought Duane Brown was a reach. The Texans got the guy they wanted then and got the guy they wanted now. Where they got him shouldn't matter if they believed it was a chance he wouldn't be there later. I don't mind you not agreeing with the pick. I actually wanted Robert Woods instead of Hopkins, but that's not who we have and Hopkins clearly was the guy we wanted in the 1st. Makes no difference to me then where they got him if that's the case.

What's with all of this we crap?

The Texans are BoB's team. He wants a certain type of player on his team and really could care less what the avg fan thinks, as long as those corporate $$$$ keep rolling in.

The NFL is strioctly a big business monopoly that puts what's good for the owners bank accounts 1st and foremost. If you dont see that look at the rules changes God'ell is forcing down the fans throats at the behest of the owners. God'ell could give 2 craps about saftey. But he does care about how much $$$$ the owners are going to have to pay out in the concussion lawsuits. Even if the rule changes will ruin the game that we all love.

End of rant

BTW, I wanted Short over Hopkins. Like most of this yrs draft picks Hopkins is a very good player (He wasn't even the best WR on his college team) but not a true differencemaker.

 

[thunderkyss]

This one?

Not a catch in the NFL.....


But sick, sick, sick a55 one handed catch.



sick

 

[thunderkyss]

You people be need to be proud of yourselves....

Heyba... whyba youba albaways talkaba like thatba? Bill?

 

[thunderkyss]

The argument "WRs who were passed by 26 other teams" is inherently self-defeating. Anyone at any position picked #27 was passed over 26 times. That will lead you to: "J.J. Watt can't be any good - 10 teams passed over him. Blaine Gabbert is clearly better than Watt - he was picked ahead of him." And I don't think you want to go there.

Whoa...... didn't say the guy wasn't any good, said there were questions. Just like there were questions about Victor Cruz, Miles Austin, Tony Romo, Arian Foster, etc..... There were less questions about Jj Watt.

 

[thunderkyss]

Is there any doubt that Jones can be a number one on several NFL teams?

I like Julio Jones, I wanted us to take him.

But... it's still too early. It's only year two & he's got a true #1 WR on the other side of him in Roddy White & a true go-to TE in Gonzales. Take those two away from him, put a couple of years of wear & tear on him... then we'll see.

I'm not saying that's the case for every one, that you've got to wait 4 years or whatever, but in his case, with the receivers & RBs on that team, it's hard to say.

Pierre Garcon.... I questioned what he would do without Reggie Wayne & the forehead. Look'n good so far. But it's hard to say when there's a lot of talent around the players.

 

[Texn4life]

What's with all of this we crap?

The Texans are BoB's team. He wants a certain type of player on his team and really could care less what the avg fan thinks, as long as those corporate $$$$ keep rolling in.

The NFL is strioctly a big business monopoly that puts what's good for the owners bank accounts 1st and foremost. If you dont see that look at the rules changes God'ell is forcing down the fans throats at the behest of the owners. God'ell could give 2 craps about saftey. But he does care about how much $$$$ the owners are going to have to pay out in the concussion lawsuits. Even if the rule changes will ruin the game that we all love.

End of rant

BTW, I wanted Short over Hopkins. Like most of this yrs draft picks Hopkins is a very good player (He wasn't even the best WR on his college team) but not a true differencemaker.

Dude, calm yourself. I sometimes say "we" when I refer to the Texans because I'm a fan. Big freaking deal. There's an easy way to ignore me if that's a problem. I honestly don't even know that I'm doing it when I do it.

 

[Carr Bombed]

What's with all of this we crap?

The Texans are BoB's team. He wants a certain type of player on his team and really could care less what the avg fan thinks, as long as those corporate $$$$ keep rolling in.

The NFL is strioctly a big business monopoly that puts what's good for the owners bank accounts 1st and foremost. If you dont see that look at the rules changes God'ell is forcing down the fans throats at the behest of the owners. God'ell could give 2 craps about saftey. But he does care about how much $$$$ the owners are going to have to pay out in the concussion lawsuits. Even if the rule changes will ruin the game that we all love.

End of rant

BTW, I wanted Short over Hopkins. Like most of this yrs draft picks Hopkins is a very good player (He wasn't even the best WR on his college team) but not a true differencemaker.

Yeah the NFL is a buisness... They're in the business of winning football games, so they can continue to sell tickets, and can get increased revenue that the playoffs bring and increased ticket prices/sales so I don't really understand your "He wants a certain type of player on his team" line. What "certain type of player" is that? Because from all I see, the only type of players Bob wants is players that'll help him win football games and the man does care what fans think about his team, it's why he spends so much money on his public relations.

You're also completely off your rocker if you think Goodell and the owners don't legitimately now care about safety. It goes back to the whole business thing. Ex Players offing themselves or killing other people in murder suicides is not a good public image and bad for business. The long term effects of concussions and other head injures sustained through years of playing football is threatening their entire existence. Trust me... They care. It's why they've sunk so much money into inserting programs (heads up) into youth football. If parents start to view football as a sport that will scramble their kid's brain.. parents will start pulling their kids out of the sport the same way they did boxing.. thus cutting off a pipeline for the NFL. The top athletes will be funneled into other sports like basketball or baseball and the NFL will become a sub par product.

But anyways, I'm just glad to learn that Hopkins is not a difference maker before he has even stepped out on the field, it's good to know now so I don't get my hopes up. I mean he only had 82 rec, 1,405 (twice as many as the next WR on his team), and 18 TDs (15 more than the next WR on his team) Yep, he sucks and has no shot at making a difference here. What's even more depressing is that it's not just him.. "most of this yrs draft picks" don't have a shot at becoming difference makers. What a complete waste this year's draft was.