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2013 NFL Free Agent Tracker
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Say Watt
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I'd totally recant on all of my rants about not getting Ed Reed if we can find a way to get Elvis. Would love him on this team.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Elvis would have a much great impact on this team than Ed Reed. He's the kind of OLB bookend you want for several years, not just a one year stopgap. He would cost a bit, but we'll see what happens. It's probable that he just signs a new deal with the Broncos for what they had agreed to before missing the filing deadline. However, if he sees what Paul Kruger got, he may go for a deal like that. He could definitely garner more money than Kruger.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Well, Forsett's gone:
@JohnOehser
#Jaguars have agreed to terms with RB Justin Forsett
@JohnOehser
#Jaguars have agreed to terms with RB Justin Forsett
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I think this says it all:
If Broncos didn't waive Elvis, they had to pay original $12 million, source says.
He didn't want to take the paycut, that's for sure. If the agent is "late" on filing that paperwork, Elvis gets his 12m guaranteed. Seems more like an intentional issue to me. He had a lot to gain if the Broncos slept on that deal.
Nawzer
Alienz
This one might hurt later on down the road. He was a good change of pace back. Another hole for the Texans to fill.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I kinda suspected that as well. Like, hmm, what a coincidence
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
LMAO has that ever happened before? An agent not filing paperwork in time?
Same thing happened in the NBA with Anthony Carter a while back haha.
Same thing happened in the NBA with Anthony Carter a while back haha.
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Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Yeah, that's what they are saying:
@walterfootball
"@greggrosenthal Dumervil release creates $4.87M in dead money per @MaseDenver" Ouch. Will be tough to re-sign him
@evansilva
Costly error. RT @adbrandt Dumervil, if cut, will not be resigned, makes no sense. Team will take a big hit on dead money upon release.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Ha, I bet Elway's rip-snortin pissed off.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
It's not Elway's fault, the agent didn't return the signed fax in time for submission. Actually it was smart of Elway to release him 1 minute before the deadline because he protected the team. Take the 4m cap hit instead of committing 12m guaranteed.
Elvis will find a new team where he can be the main man in the pass rush. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he left to avoid fighting with Von over sacks. In any case, if he ends up anywhere but the Patriots, it's good for the Texans. Weakening the Broncos is good for us
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
Do the Texans have enough capspace to sign Dumervil?
I would suspect we are still twirling our thumbs waiting on Ed Reed fiasco to end.
I would suspect we are still twirling our thumbs waiting on Ed Reed fiasco to end.
It's not Elway's fault, the agent didn't return the signed fax in time for submission. Actually it was smart of Elway to release him 1 minute before the deadline because he protected the team. Take the 4m cap hit instead of committing 12m guaranteed.
Elvis will find a new team where he can be the main man in the pass rush. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he left to avoid fighting with Von over sacks. In any case, if he ends up anywhere but the Patriots, it's good for the Texans. Weakening the Broncos is good for us
It doesn't matter.
Elway still looks incompetent, doesn't he?
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
How does he look incompetent? They agreed to a salary reduction around 1:30 and didn't get the signed contract back from the agent before 1:59. He can't force the guy to send them the contract or make up a fictitious one. It was either take the paycut or get cut. Dumerville's agent is the one at fault here, though it might have been intentional in an attempt to get that 12m guarantee to kick in at 2pm.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
No. They would've taken a cap hit either way. Now, they're off the hook of guaranteeing a 12m salary.
No way Dumerville can get 8 mill in this market now. So really, Dumerville and co. should look incompetent
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him get 5 years 40 million with a 10-12m signing bonus. He will get paid if he goes elsewhere, there are a lot of teams with capspace that need pass rushers. The Colts, Browns, Jags, Packers, Vikes, Bengals all have plenty of space left. Several of those teams could really use a pass rusher. Elvis can play 43 DE or 34 OLB, so I think he will have a good market.
They were supposed to get the salary reduced to $8M; now they don't have a pass rusher.
I would have my guy at the agent's office to get the signature and not wait for a fax.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Great move? I think I will have to disagree. They had to cut the loss; that's all they did.
A great move would have been to get all the paperwork to the league office on time. All he had to do is to have one of his guys there to get the signature and do the faxing instead of relying on the agent.
It was an honest mistake, but they still lost nearly $5M in cap space for nothing but wasted time and agony.
GP
Go Texans!
Curious timing, isn't it?
Ed Reed leaves without contract...Elvis' agent misses a deadline...since when does an agent commit that level of error, with that level of client?
We had a house on market, guy puts contract on it after we agreed to lower our price by $4,000. His contract, though, contained 24 items for us to repair. Ouch for us! That same day, a surprise buyer offers us FULL PRICE, in cash, says he doesn't want anything fixed, and he'll pay all fees. We played it cool, had our agent tell the a-hole buyer that we would not fix not even the cheapest, easiest item on his list.
That buyer was so insulted, he did not convert his contract into full purchase. He withdrew. We made out like bandits at the expense of his arrogance/pride.
So, this is a long shot explanation as to why maybe the contract wasn't sent in time. A clerical error looks better than a player and agent giving big middle finger to Elway and the Cult he's got going on in Denver now.
Meanwhile, Wade and Rick get buzz of the chances of getting a damn fine LINEBACKER (Bye, Carwin, hello Elvis!) so we stick to our guns in Ed, knowing Ed and his advisors will stumble over small issues just like my first buyer did.
That's be giving wayyyyy much credit to the savvy nature that Rick has been warning here (or being disdained for?) but hey, in the land of NFL free agency, what exactly IS real and what's spin???
GP
Go Texans!
Tell me, what agent fails to get a contract to a team "in time"?
One who might be getting word of other opportunities. Just cannot see how an agent could let that happen in real life.
Unless his agent is a family member?
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I don't agree with that at all right now. It may come out that it was a mistake, but I seriously doubt it. They had 30 minutes to get the contract signed and sent back to the office. It took them 37 minutes. That just doesn't sound right to me. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him sign a deal with another team in the next day or two with at least 10+ million in 2013 salary + total signing bonus. He's a big name and has a great resume. If Barwin can get 6 a year, Dumerville can get 8 or more easy.
I'm with GP on this, I just don't think that other team the agent was talking to is the Texans.
I know I know (about Dumervil's part.)
What I also know is that I have been in similar situation like Elway's and I didn't count on somebody else to get the proper paperwork filed to my advantage.
GP
Go Texans!
Agree. I was posting on my phone so didn't clarify that it could be any number of teams, not just Texans.
But I did say that it would be giving way too much Pimp Cred to Rick Smith to say this was all happening via a Rick and Wade strategy.
I'd pay $8 mill-per for Elvis, restructure our guys to make it fit. He's a LB and we're in need of that as much as a Safety.....though a good Safety might be the better investment due to budget issues.
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Going from Aaron Rodgers to Christian Ponder is like going from banging Mila Kunis to banging Roseanne Barr LMAO!!
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Going from Aaron Rodgers to Christian Ponder is like going from banging Mila Kunis to banging Roseanne Barr LMAO!!
What I heard, was the contract had to be signed by 4pm today (yesterday, whatever). Looks like the agent was screwing around & trying to force the Broncos to pay them $12M.
Elway wasn't going to get played & did what he had to do. It didn't matter when the paperwork got to the league office, but a signed fax time stamped 4:04pm pretty much screws the deal.
Our GM didn't balk at paying Mario (who I love) more than 12M/yr not only once, but twice & the guy still walked.
I don't know how you can say Elway has egg on his face for this one. Not in present company anyway.
badboy
Hall of Fame
yeah you may remember me mentioning right after the new CBA was sign that huge contracts for FAs were on way out after this off season. We may have a team or two that dumps players after a SB run but for the most part NFL has put brakes on ridiculous contracts.We might be entering an era of NFL where the outrageous contracts for even the best free agent candidates come to a screeching halt.
Is this the beginning of RESTRAINT in terms of spending?
At some point, even the few teams that right now have gobs of cap space are going to eat up that cap space and find themselves in our position within a few seasons. Everyone will eventually be forced to restrain from spending.
This is going to be very interesting. Plus, IIRC, from what dutchrudder has been saying, this is the first year that teams have a MINIMUM threshold they have to meet in terms of cap spending. You can't just roll over savings, you now have to pay a certain amount to players--a certain overall percentage.
So a lot of these free agents might not fit anywhere BUT those less-talented cellar dwellers who are required to spend a minimum amount to meet the new rules.
What we know:
1. It was not an ultimatum since there were some changes back and forth in the contract language.
2. The Broncos wanted to cut $4M of the total contract (3 years left), but with all the cuts in the first year.
3. The Dumervill camp agreed with the first year cut, but asked for an addl' 500K in the second year, and an amount of $3.5M to be guaranteed.
4. This next part is from the agent; he claimed that the Broncos agreed orally, but then changed the language in the contract to read "$3.5M guaranteed only in case of injury" (meaning the team can cut him to avoid the guarantee portion.) The Broncos so far has not refuted this claim.
....
Why not push for a deal sooner during the week?
Why not set a deadline for yesterday?
Why add the injury clause into the contract?
It looks like bad faith negotiation.
Kevin Walter for example, agreed to take a paycut in 2012 in hope to stay with the Texans long-term. His agent didn't ask for anything.
Walter got cut this year.
In case of Dumervil, I think the agent did right by informing Dumervil of the situation. It takes time for Dumervil to think about the implication.
Basically, the Broncos didn't help that matter.
Who knows what the real intention of each party is.
What we know that in legal matters when there are negotiations involved and changes to be made back and forth, it's best to set a clear deadline way ahead of time to be sure that everything is transparent (good faith negotiation.) The Broncos organization has their own lawyers. They should know the matter.
By failing to do it sooner, IMO, the Broncos didn't do anybody a favor.
It's quite unclear to me what their real strategy was.
But the bottom line is they didn't achieve the results they desired.
==>> FAIL
Elway knew that it didn't make sense to take a $12M cap hit for a DE, when his team could use some new faces.
At the end of the day, the Broncos have more cap space to help their team get past the divisional round. They'll have to deal with a predictable reduction from a pass rush standpoint, but they were already prepared to do that.
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