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WRs who might be in the 2013 Draft

b0ng said:
I've only seen him with one ACL tear (Sept, 2011) and nothing before really so it's tough to say that his injury history is more of a flag than his hands. I think out of the guys you listed (Williams, Hopkins, Hunter) Williams looked like he had the most inconsistent hands during the drills and was the slowest so I think he'll drop. Hunter is a guy who was coming off of an ACL tear in 2012 and was pretty good, but he wasn't like he was in 2010, so you worry with that, coupled with him weighing in at a slender 196lbs. Hopkins looked great so far and I have to have him as the top prospect out of the 3 listed. I'd probably put Williams second and Hunter 3rd just based on size and injury history.

I really like Hopkins though so I'm probably very biased. He just looks like an NFL receiver playing for Clemson. Big guy, decent hands, maybe doesn't have a top gear like guys like TY Hilton or Desean Jackson, but the kid can play and make big plays.

Also, I'm willing to bet that the Texans are going to take a very long look at Ryan Swope if he's there in the 3rd around their pick.
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Yeah, that weight on Hunter concerns me some because if he attempts to bulk up & his knee becomes an issue then you would think the additional weight would only compound the problem. He definitely needs to gain weight imo.

I like Hopkins as well, but many will knock him because of his speed. I still believe he could be a good player despite that due to his size & hands. The Roddy White comparison seems to be one that is actually fitting of him & I would be elated if that were the case & he was a Texan.

I think plenty of teams are going to take a look at Swope after his combine performance. He definitely raised his stock & he could be that one player that gets taken earlier then most expected. The Texans could be the one. They reached, imo, on Bullock last season so Swope could be the next Aggie reach for them.
 
So I'm guessing no one has seen much on Dobson out of Marshall? I've read about him, but haven't seen him yet. I watched the Senior Bowl practices but can't remember much about him which is probably not a good thing.
 
tru80texan said:
So I'm guessing no one has seen much on Dobson out of Marshall? I've read about him, but haven't seen him yet. I watched the Senior Bowl practices but can't remember much about him which is probably not a good thing.
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Most of the receivers, including Dobson, have been covered on the WR in this draft class thread.

I've been on them since last year.

Dobson had a good Senior Bowl week.

He's one of the more "physical" receivers who give the QB some room along the side line to operate with (unlike A.J. Jenkins who was drafted in the first round by the Niners last year.)

Go back to page one of this thread.

Dobson was also mentioned in at least one other thread that I remember.
 
What do you guys think about Josh Boyce as a later round WR? He's got the speed and could stretch the field for us.
 
tru80texan said:
So I'm guessing no one has seen much on Dobson out of Marshall? I've read about him, but haven't seen him yet. I watched the Senior Bowl practices but can't remember much about him which is probably not a good thing.
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Hope this helps:


Dobson lacks Wheaton's rare speed but is a savvy route-runner whose body control and reliable hands made him a standout throughout practice. He made arguably the catch of the day early on, leaping high and contorting his body to haul in a difficult deep pass over tight coverage and came up limping. Dobson was held out of much of the remaining one on one drills but showed his toughness in returning during the 11 on 11 scrimmage towards the end of practice. Dobson hasn't generated as much attention as many of the other receivers in Mobile but impressed me with his attention to detail. He sets up defensive backs well, selling his routes to push defensive backs deep even on running plays and showing off strength and determination as a downfield blocker. He also consistently worked his way back to the quarterback, drawing praise from the Washington staff.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...wl-trufant-stands-out-at-north-practice-again
 
CretorFrigg said:
What do you guys think about Josh Boyce as a later round WR? He's got the speed and could stretch the field for us.
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My 2 cents is we need to get WR2 starter by round three. Use later rounds to fill minor needs or trade up. I would not be opposed to drafting Terrence Williams first then Da'Rick Rogers for slot with Posey out most of year and cutting Walter.
 
CretorFrigg said:
What do you guys think about Josh Boyce as a later round WR? He's got the speed and could stretch the field for us.
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I've been looking at him since yesterday with mixed thought.
He's one of the few draftable receivers I haven't paid hardly any attention to.

What are we going to do with Martin if we draft a guy in the late round with somewhat similar skill set?

On the other hand, since we have all those extra picks, we can afford to move around to bring in competition if we so choose.

And then again, there are guys who may go undrafted that we can take a look at (Ace Sanders and Reggie Dunn - I hope I get their names right.)
 
Due to injury history I would go with Rodgers, but wouldn't be scared to go back to the well for Hunter. Jerry Rice had an ACL and it didn't seem to slow him down. ACL surgeies are common to come back and be able to perform at a high level.

I like Hopkins too be think the Tennessee guys have more WR1 upside.
 
steelbtexan said:
Due to injury history I would go with Rodgers, but wouldn't be scared to go back to the well for Hunter. Jerry Rice had an ACL and it didn't seem to slow him down. ACL surgeies are common to come back and be able to perform at a high level.

I like Hopkins too be think the Tennessee guys have more WR1 upside.
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Hunter is so slender though and it doesn't look like he can pack on a ton of muscle to that frame. He doesn't really have a #1 WR body.
 
b0ng said:
Hunter is so slender though and it doesn't look like he can pack on a ton of muscle to that frame. He doesn't really have a #1 WR body.
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That's what I'm thinking. My concern is his frame. He has had a knee issue & future knee issues can't be ruled out if he bulks up, which seems to be needed. I like his upside, but you have to wonder what additional weight would not only do to his health but also his speed.
 
In the first two rounds, I would be fine with Hopkins, Hunter, Rodgers, Patton, Woods, Williams, Dobson, King, Hamilton, and Wheaton. I do not think Allen, Patterson, and Austin will be there when we pick in the first.
 
b0ng said:
Hunter is so slender though and it doesn't look like he can pack on a ton of muscle to that frame. He doesn't really have a #1 WR body.
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His body type reminds me of A.J. Green when he came out of college, 6'4 207 LBS. 4.5

They're comparable, Hunter needs to put on about 10 Lbs. He certainly has the frame to do so.

The ACL bothers me a little, but if Hunter didn't have the ACL, he probably wouldn't be there at 27.

The question for me is do I take Hunter (ACL) or Rodgers (Pot) at 27? I would probably go with Rodgers. Gary will probably take the safest route possible and pick Hopkins, which would be a solid pick. But wouldn't have the upside of a Rodgers/Hunter.
 
tru80texan said:
That's what I'm thinking. My concern is his frame. He has had a knee issue & future knee issues can't be ruled out if he bulks up, which seems to be needed. I like his upside, but you have to wonder what additional weight would not only do to his health but also his speed.
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I'm not sure this is entirely true. I'm currently 3 months removed from an acl reconstruction and its highly said to bulk up the muscles around the knee to give it more stability in the future. Especially the quad muscle on the interior on the thigh near the knee. Him adding 20 pounds will not harm him or his knee.
His already put on 16pounds and he got faster. So another 10 won't do him any harm
 
b0ng said:
I think the reason we are going back to the well this year is because Martin and Jean both were non-starters in 2012 and the only guy who did look decent (albeit at the end of the season once his playing time increased) had a nasty injury. Pretty unfortunate set of circumstances, but this is a pretty good year to go get a pass catcher or two in the draft.
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I really liked what we saw out of Martin. But I think he was drafted to be a #3 or slot receiver. I thought he did a heck of a job getting open early in the progression, he just needs to do a better job of holding onto the ball. I think that's fine, for a rookie, & we're going to see that regardless if it's Julio Jones, or Kevin Martin.

Martin doesn't have that big play ability like Julio, but I don't think that's what we're looking for.

I think we're going back to the well, because there's not a lot of reason to believe Posey is going to be able to take the next step in 2013
 
thunderkyss said:
I really liked what we saw out of Martin. But I think he was drafted to be a #3 or slot receiver. I thought he did a heck of a job getting open early in the progression, he just needs to do a better job of holding onto the ball. I think that's fine, for a rookie, & we're going to see that regardless if it's Julio Jones, or Kevin Martin.

Martin doesn't have that big play ability like Julio, but I don't think that's what we're looking for.

I think we're going back to the well, because there's not a lot of reason to believe Posey is going to be able to take the next step in 2013
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Martin is a JAG on a playoff team. There needs to be competition throughout the WR corps. This is why I hope they take Rodgers/Hunter in the 1st and Swope in the 3rd. Then there will be real weapons/speed at the WR and great competition that will make the WR corps better all around. Which the Texans have never really had since their inception
 
I'd rather go S (Matt Elam) 1st then Woods in the 2nd. Woods is a really great receiver.

Wouldn't be too mad about Hunter or Hopkins in the 1st though.
 
steelbtexan said:
Martin is a JAG on a playoff team. There needs to be competition throughout the WR corps. This is why I hope they take Rodgers/Hunter in the 1st and Swope in the 3rd. Then there will be real weapons/speed at the WR and great competition that will make the WR corps better all around. Which the Texans have never really had since their inception
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Steelb,

Do you think Swope will be there in the 3rd after surprising folks at the combine? I'm not so sure.
 
ralph said:
I'd rather go S (Matt Elam) 1st then Woods in the 2nd. Woods is a really great receiver.

Wouldn't be too mad about Hunter or Hopkins in the 1st though.
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If that is possible, I would be all for it. Matt Elam is a great football player. He commands respect and is a proven leader as well.
 
ralph said:
I'd rather go S (Matt Elam) 1st then Woods in the 2nd. Woods is a really great receiver.

Wouldn't be too mad about Hunter or Hopkins in the 1st though.
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Any WR, but a USC WR. They seem to be wayyyyyy more hype then production going back to the highly overrated Keyshawn Johnson.
 
tru80texan said:
Any WR, but a USC WR. They seem to be wayyyyyy more hype then production going back to the highly overrated Keyshawn Johnson.
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Any prediction of a player based off the success of other players from that school that play the same position is not to be taken seriously.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Any prediction of a player based off the success of other players from that school that play the same position is not to be taken seriously.
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And how many WR's have come out of USC w/ hype only to disappoint? I realize what you are saying, but its similar to offensive players coming out of the University of Texas. They simply haven't transitioned well to the NFL & very few have had success of late. It's a preference & opinion based on the university's past similar to Penn St being dubbed "LB U", doesn't mean that all their LB's will have success, but they've done well producing some quality ones. I realize that is not the say all end all for a position based on the school, but that was just a opinion & not a rule or standard that I expected be used to set the draft board. :rolleyes: Take a breather, everything is not that serious.:)
 
thunderkyss said:
I thought they did pretty good with runningbacks.
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Not the big names such as Benson & Williams. The Bears gave up on Benson & Williams couldnt get his head straight after NO's gave up a ton for him. They did ok later in their careers, but nothing near what many envisioned them doing. Charles is doing well & Holmes success was unexpected to most when he came out considering Williams was pushing him in college. Throw in Colt, VY, Roy Williams coupled w/ Benson's & Williams limited success & it doesn't equate to much success for the offensive side of the ball.
 
tru80texan said:
And how many WR's have come out of USC w/ hype only to disappoint? I realize what you are saying, but its similar to offensive players coming out of the University of Texas. They simply haven't transitioned well to the NFL & very few have had success of late. It's a preference & opinion based on the university's past similar to Penn St being dubbed "LB U", doesn't mean that all their LB's will have success, but they've done well producing some quality ones. I realize that is not the say all end all for a position based on the school, but that was just a opinion & not a rule or standard that I expected be used to set the draft board. :rolleyes: Take a breather, everything is not that serious.:)
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You sounded pretty serious to me, as it is the second time I have seen you post it on the board, I was just pointing out that it is not taken seriously.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2128619&postcount=8
 
TexansSeminole said:
You sounded pretty serious to me, as it is the second time I have seen you post it on the board, I was just pointing out that it is not taken seriously.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2128619&postcount=8
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And I stand by what I say, so please read it again along w/ my explanation. It's a "personal preference" & "opinion", but one based on the past performances of former USC WR's having been more hype then production. Some schools are known for producing certain types of players at certain positions. That's why some covet Bama CB's because of Saban's reputation for developing them. Very similar to the Penn St reference I mentioned earlier concerning LB's. Hardly a difficult concept to understand. USC has had multiple highly touted WR's come out, but have yet to produce one that has done anything of significance. So therefore their track record for developing the position is really not that impressive.

If you can't understand that simple explanation, then let's just agree to disagree because I've tried explaining it more then once now & yet you can't seem to grasp that some schools develop certain positions better then others. Doesn't mean that a player can't eventually develop, but USC WR's have had issues over the years & I do have my doubts about them. Once again, its my "opinion" but one based on history. Similar to how some question spread offense QB's being able to adapt & produce in pro offenses. It's an opinion & preference. Not that difficult.

Mine nor your opinions are being used to draft future Texans SO that is ultimately why it is NOT that serious, not that I didn't mean what I said or believe it....for a bit more clarification. Chill out, have a nice day, & try not to kick your dog. Geez...
 
It's like saying Baylor QBs sucked, don't draft RG III.
That's crazy!

Do you know that Baylor had had 8 QBs in the pros before Griffin; two were drafted high in the first, one in the second, and one in the third. They combined to start ten games in the pros.

Is that a good reason for not drafting Robert Griffin III?
 
tru80texan said:
And I stand by what I say, so please read it again along w/ my explanation. It's a "personal preference" & "opinion", but one based on the past performances of former USC WR's having been more hype then production. Some schools are known for producing certain types of players at certain positions. That's why some covet Bama CB's because of Saban's reputation for developing them. Very similar to the Penn St reference I mentioned earlier concerning LB's. Hardly a difficult concept to understand. USC has had multiple highly touted WR's come out, but have yet to produce one that has done anything of significance. So therefore their track record for developing the position is really not that impressive.

If you can't understand that simple explanation, then let's just agree to disagree because I've tried explaining it more then once now & yet you can't seem to grasp that some schools develop certain positions better then others. Doesn't mean that a player can't eventually develop, but USC WR's have had issues over the years & I do have my doubts about them. Once again, its my "opinion" but one based on history. Similar to how some question spread offense QB's being able to adapt & produce in pro offenses. It's an opinion & preference. Not that difficult.

Mine nor your opinions are being used to draft future Texans SO that is ultimately why it is NOT that serious, not that I didn't mean what I said or believe it....for a bit more clarification. Chill out, have a nice day, & try not to kick your dog. Geez...
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It's a different coaching staff, but ok. We will definitely agree to disagree.
 
drs23 said:
Steelb,

Do you think Swope will be there in the 3rd after surprising folks at the combine? I'm not so sure.
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With the depth in this WR class, Swope is more of a slot guy and the fact that he had a poor Sr bowl I think it's a good possibilty he would be there in the 3rd. But it only take 1 team to like you to go in the 1st rd for example and a team like the Rams could fall in love with Swope and pick him before the Texans pick.

If the Texans pick a WR in the 1st and Swope is there in the 3rd would you pick him? I would. Swope is a player and tested much better than I anticipated.
 
TexansSeminole said:
It's a different coaching staff, but ok. We will definitely agree to disagree.
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Was not Lane Kiffen a member of the USC coaching staff that produced those WR's? In fact, if I recall he was even the position coach for WR at one time & then eventually progressed to the OC & now the HC. He has been a key member of USC in some capacity excluding 2007-2009. It is a different staff w/ one key member being the same, which may lead some to believe the philosophy on how to develop certain positions may still be very similar to those that existed in 2001 at USC considering Kiffen once led the position & now leads the whole program. That being said...ok, we can agree to disagree.
 
76Texan said:
It's like saying Baylor QBs sucked, don't draft RG III.
That's crazy!

Do you know that Baylor had had 8 QBs in the pros before Griffin; two were drafted high in the first, one in the second, and one in the third. They combined to start ten games in the pros.

Is that a good reason for not drafting Robert Griffin III?
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All 8 of those Baylor QB's had the same coaching staff when they entered the NFL?!?! WOW! I don't recall that being the case!! 8 QB's in a league that was started in 1920, what a track record of success! :sarcasm:

You didn't quite get the point & your extreme was far from an accurate portrayal of what was being discussed. Thanks anyways. :toropalm:
 
tru80texan said:
All 8 of those Baylor QB's had the same coaching staff when they entered the NFL?!?! WOW! I don't recall that being the case!! 8 QB's in a league that was started in 1920, what a track record of success! :sarcasm:

You didn't quite get the point & your extreme was far from an accurate portrayal of what was being discussed. Thanks anyways. :toropalm:
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I understand what you're saying, but this would only be one of the many factors to take into consideration when drafting a player. I never thought Dwayne Jarrett was that good to be honest and Steve Smith had some nice years before he had major knee surgery. Marquise Lee and Robert Woods are both going to be good pro receivers in my opinion.
 
greekdbag said:
I understand what you're saying, but this would only be one of the many factors to take into consideration when drafting a player. I never thought Dwayne Jarrett was that good to be honest and Steve Smith had some nice years before he had major knee surgery. Marquise Lee and Robert Woods are both going to be good pro receivers in my opinion.
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I doubt they will be good, Dwayne Jarrett sucked.
 
greekdbag said:
I understand what you're saying, but this would only be one of the many factors to take into consideration when drafting a player. I never thought Dwayne Jarrett was that good to be honest and Steve Smith had some nice years before he had major knee surgery. Marquise Lee and Robert Woods are both going to be good pro receivers in my opinion.
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I am speaking English...thank you! LOL! True, it is one factor & as I said earlier its just my opinion & personal preference concerning USC WR's. Having an opinion is frowned upon by some on here & a hard concept to understand. Steve Smith had a decent couple of years, but he hasn't reclaimed that magic since leaving the Giants. Could be a combo of injury & system. Who knows. Woods & Lee may be decent some day...only time will tell. There's more to Woods that I don't care for such as his very slender build & allowing the ball to get body quite often, but that's beside the point because some can't get past my opinion of the coach & school. LOL! What can you do....:)
 
tru80texan said:
I am speaking English...thank you! LOL! True, it is one factor & as I said earlier its just my opinion & personal preference concerning USC WR's. Having an opinion is frowned upon by some on here & a hard concept to understand. Steve Smith had a decent couple of years, but he hasn't reclaimed that magic since leaving the Giants. Could be a combo of injury & system. Who knows. Woods & Lee may be decent some day...only time will tell. There's more to Woods that I don't care for such as his very slender build & allowing the ball to get body quite often, but that's beside the point because some can't get past my opinion of the coach & school. LOL! What can you do....:)
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It is not frowned upon, that you worry about a collegiate program not being good at developing receivers.

What is frowned upon is the fact that you look at it without any regard to each individual case; ie. you came to a conclusion without evaluating the data in depth.

While it is true that it is your personal preference, it is not true that it's a correct method to evaluate future prospects.

Just because Kolb was developed by Art Briles running a "gimmick" offense
and failed at the NFL level doesn't mean that RG III should get a red flag during the draft process.

Just because Kolb accumulated stats in the CUSA doesn't mean that Briles' system wouldn't work in the Big 12.

Just because Keenum ran a similar offense that was continued by Sumlin in the CUSA doesn't mean that the Aggies would have a hard time competing in the SEC.

OK, never mind, I ramble off the topic.
Don't include the second part into this discussion.
I just want to leave it there. :)
 
76Texan said:
It is not frowned upon, that you worry about a collegiate program not being good at developing receivers.

What is frowned upon is the fact that you look at it without any regard to each individual case; ie. you came to a conclusion without evaluating the data in depth.

While it is true that it is your personal preference, it is not true that it's a correct method to evaluate future prospects.

Just because Kolb was developed by Art Briles running a "gimmick" offense
and failed at the NFL level doesn't mean that RG III should get a red flag during the draft process.

Just because Kolb accumulated stats in the CUSA doesn't mean that Briles' system wouldn't work in the Big 12.

Just because Keenum ran a similar offense that was continued by Sumlin in the CUSA doesn't mean that the Aggies would have a hard time competing in the SEC.

OK, never mind, I ramble off the topic.
Don't include the second part into this discussion.
I just want to leave it there. :)
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Really...that's why I included in the post that you quoted OTHER reasons why I'm not fond of Woods as a player. So yes, other factors have been considered. Your rebuttal doesn't hold water considering I did state those other factors outside of USC being unable to develop a quality WR w/ Kiffen as a member of the staff in some capacity.

Once again, its my opinion that I don't think highly of WR's coming out of USC because others have faultered in the past despite seeming to have all the physical tools & being touted as such. Whether you frown upon it or not in the end doesn't mean much because it is my opinion. It's not a tough concept to grasp if you think about it. Just think of it as how you choose not to find any fault w/ any aspect of the Texans...its your flawed opinion but in the end it doesnt matter how wrong it is because it is yours & you are entitled to it. Pretty simple if you ask me. Moving on now. :)
 
I didn't mean for this to hijack the thread, I was simply poking for fun.

Anybody think any of the receivers dropped alot because of their combine performance?
 
What are those other factors you talked about except for Kiffin?

Are you talking about hype?
Hype is what you take upon yourself.
Personally, I haven't hyped up any USC receiver ever.


Anyway, I agree to move on.
The only other thing I want to say is that I never take anything personal either.

I simply like to hear an opinion based on keen observation over one based on small glimpses and personal preferences.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I didn't mean for this to hijack the thread, I was simply poking for fun.

Anybody think any of the receivers dropped alot because of their combine performance?
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I don't know how much is a lot, but Hamilton and Woods didn't show as well as I thought they would in the 40s, SS, 3-cone, long jump and vertical.
(I think Hamilton didn't do the 3-cone.)

Hopkins didn't show as well as I'd like to see either.
I wonder if he's still getting used to the addl' weight.

These guys need to show better at their pro days in those lacking areas.
 
the 7 picks following our first, 4 of which have needs at receiver. i think if there is a player we really want at the early part of the 2nd we should just take him at 27 unless we run a large risk of loosing him
 
TexansSeminole said:
I didn't mean for this to hijack the thread, I was simply poking for fun.

Anybody think any of the receivers dropped alot because of their combine performance?
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Hamilton/Williams/Allen.

Williams didn't look like a 1st rd pick to me.

Hamilton didn't run well and there are questions about his hands.

Allen not working out will probably drop him to the bottom of the 1st rd. If he's there at 27 would you pick him?
 
steelbtexan said:
Hamilton/Williams/Allen.

Williams didn't look like a 1st rd pick to me.

Hamilton didn't run well and there are questions about his hands.

Allen not working out will probably drop him to the bottom of the 1st rd. If he's there at 27 would you pick him?
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No on Allen if Hopkins or Hunter are available. Just finished watching some more video of Hunter, Hopkins, Woods, Patton, & Dobson & I was really impressed w/ Hunter, Hopkins, & Dobson. Not sure if Dobson would be 1st round talent, but I do believe Hopkins & Hunter are even w/ Hunter having a past knee injury.
 
All I can say is that long before this draft process, I "promised" a receiver draft class that might be better than the last one in both quality and quantity, despite a run on receivers last year where 13 guys were drafted in the first 3 rounds (4,5,4) and 33 total, not even counting Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft.

In term of talent level, I think there should be more than 13 that should be graded as 3rd rounder or higher; what do you think?
 
76Texan said:
In term of talent level, I think there should be more than 13 that should be graded as 3rd rounder or higher; what do you think?
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CBSsports.com's draft ranking has 13-15 WRs going through 3 rounds. They're as good as any other internet draft site, so that sounds like a safe assumption. 13 or more WRs have gone in the opening 3 rounds in 5 of the past 6 drafts.
 
76Texan said:
Mark your calendar for Elon's Aaron Mellette.
They have only 2 games on TV (UNC - ACC Network and another game on ESPN3). This guy looks pretty good on the videos I've found so far.
His production is outstanding. Will probably go in the first 3 rounds, maybe on day 1...
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Greg Cosell is with you on Mellette. All I saw was NC & wasn't impressive & '11 AS where he dominated a small CB. Bad drops in both.
 
Playoffs said:
Greg Cosell is with you on Mellette. All I saw was NC & wasn't impressive & '11 AS where he dominated a small CB. Bad drops in both.
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I didn't get to watch the UNC game, just the short clip on YouTube.
Melette is pretty raw in his route running and he seems to be a bit stiff in the hips (as his 20 SS time indicates).
That might be part of the reasons he doesn't run the short routes very clean.
From what I read and saw during the Senior Bowl week, things seem to point that way.

But overall, his reviews from the Senior Bowl and the combine are quite positive.

I have to rewatch the AS game to see who covered him, but I thought AS has a tall CB that has a draftble grade.
Also, he did well against Casey Heyward (from Vandy) who was drafted in the second round and became a starter for the Packers.

With the depth of this draft, I might have to drop him to the fourth round.
There are other receivers who improved their games more than I thought they would when the season first started.
 
mussop said:
Has anyone checked out Josh-Boyce?
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I think he needs some kind of surgery on his toe.

Until we know about the results, I would rather not mess with him.

He looks pretty good, but we already have KMart.

I don't want another shorty unless he's really talented like Austin or Bailey.
 
Add another guy to the dark horse list for late round or UDFA:

Jaron Brown (Clemson) who played in the shadow of DeAndre Hopins and Sammy Watson.

He's actually the faster receiver (as the announcer claimed in one of the game that I watched.)

He had an excellent pro day.

6'2-3/8, 205

4.4 forty with a 1.57 split
17 bench
35.5 vertical
10'4 vertical
4.07 SS
6.82 3-cone

I had checked him out in about 5 games, and he's a very good blocker who can even take on LB.

Looks pretty good in and out of the break, but can improve.
His 10-yd split, long speed, short shuttle, and three-cone all look very impressive, showing that he does have the tool to improve his route running.

If you watch enough of Clemson tapes, you will see that he does get open his fair share (when either Hopkins or Watkins got the catch.)
I saw him make some tough catches, too.

These are a few highlights on youtube (some were from his sophomore year.)

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jaron+Brown&oq=jaron+b&gs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39j0j0i10j0l7.1013.2357.0.4604.7.7.0.0.0.0.225.759.3j3j1.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.vGNka89bUm0

He looks pretty fluid after the catch.
Even though he's not highly explosive like Patterson, but he's not too shabby.

He might even become a number two receiver if he works hard at it; at least he can be a #5; more likely a #4, but a good chance to be a #3.
 
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