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All Encompassing Fire Joe Marciano

is this dude fired yet

a good special teams is the biggest need on this team IMO look what happend to San deigo that one year bad ST cost them the entire season
 
TejasTom said:
One of my fears is that special team play was good enough in NE game to get Joe another year.

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Rey said:
I think that NE game saved Marciano.

But you do have to wonder if the returners (trindon included) just werent getting it done back there since manning was able to bust two big ones with relative eased. He looked like he reads it better and is more patient that the other guys we've put back there.
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It's this.

And it wasn't just the insertion of Manning; I heard, during the telecast of the game, that Joe was also given a couple of new guys, Keo and someone else who's name eludes my memory, that were better, more decisive, ST blockers and those additions - plus Manning - to the KO team made the STs more effective in the N.E. game. I know I saw definite lanes open up for Manning to exploit and he wasted no time in busting thru them for those big run backs.

I'll also add that a couple of us wanted Manning to run back kicks all season long. But the majority of folks on this board didn't want to risk him getting hurt and us having to be without him in the secondary. I remember folks going back and forth about it and mentioning that Manning never got hurt running back kicks. He got hurt playing safety. I still think he's the best, most instinctive, returner on the team.
 
and i still think they wont risk him returing next year UNLESSSSS bye week 3 the returner does realllyyyy poorly who ever that might be
 
Lions agree to terms with John Bonamego as special teams coordinator

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Actually in the playoffs, they inserted more starters in the special teams units.

I noticed Quin, Manning, Walter all out there at times.
 
Playoffs said:
Steelers hire Danny Smith as special teams coach

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Here's a piece of the Q & A that I believe answers our questions concerning Marciano.

John McClain
Q: You gave Kubiak a new three-year contract before this season. What do you like about Kubiak?

Bob McNair
A: I think he does a great job. He likes his coordinators and position coaches, and I do, too. He works hard. He’s organized. The players love playing for him. They have a lot of confidence in him.

That pretty much sums it up for me. The ol' loyal to a fault Kubiak strikes again. The ST's have been an issue for quite some time, but will continue to be ignored until either McNair wises up & steps in, ala Wade, or it becomes the lone factor in costing the Texans some games & potentially Kubiak's job. Until then kubiak will sit on his hands & be the good buddy while accepting mediocrity from one component of his team. After all, that is how championships are won.
 
It's been 2+ weeks since our season ended. If they haven't fired Joe by now, they simply aren't. So, Joe gets the ol' participatory trophy from Kubes for his effort on leading our last in the league special teams unit. Congrats Joe!
 
There is an old saying that "cream rises to the top", with the obvious metaphor that the best in any given endeavor usually comes out on top.

Well,what substance is it that does not rise to the top, but floats near the top but never actually makes it to the top. Whatever that substance is, that's the Texans right now.

By not holding obvious flaws accountable for failure, we should expect nothing greater than what we have seen so far. We can upgrade so many things, but when your QB and special teams are pedestrian in big games, then expect to float near the top but never be the top.
 
This one I put on Mr. McNair. He knows Gary's flaws -- that he's loyal to a fault.

Bob should have had harsh words with Gary about special teams performance, decisions imo.
 
32nd ranked special teams is unacceptable.

But I knew that we weren't firing Joe when he got a game ball (after the game where Braman had the blocked punt)

Hopefully Randy Bullock will be ready to go by next year. Shayne is a decent enough FG kicker, but I'm tired of seeing his short kickoffs...how did that guy even survive in the league when it was from the 30?

And I'm not sold on Donnie Jones, either.

Seeing Trindon and Jacoby do so well in their new systems shows us that it wasn't their fault; it was ours. When was the last time we ever had a decent KR/PR? Jerome Mathis? Love Manning as a S, but he ain't fast enough to be a KR.
 
When I saw how well our special teams performed against the Patriots, I had a gut feeling that Joe was here to stay. That's all it takes to redeem yourself with Bob McNair. Just look at how long he stuck with David Carr.
 
CretorFrigg said:
When I saw how well our special teams performed against the Patriots, I had a gut feeling that Joe was here to stay. That's all it takes to redeem yourself with Bob McNair. Just look at how long he stuck with David Carr.
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Do you think the game has passed Joe Marciano by?

Is that why our special teams played better in both the WC & Div play-off games? Or did they approach special teams differently than they had all year long? & If they approached special teams differently in the play-offs, who's decision was it to handle special teams the way we did during the season?

Let's just imagine that Kubiak & Wade hamstrung Coach Joe all year long, "Nope, Harris & Posey aren't going to be active today, you can't have Manning, Graham, Tate, Nading, McCain, or Demps."

Remember Jacoby was a leading returner with us before we let him go, McMannis was our best gunner before we let him go, & I'm sure it wasn't Marciano's idea to cut Holiday for the roster spot, even though we had a WR & a CB that couldn't make the active roster.

Do you think Marciano should be fired because Kubiak is a dumbass?
 
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers Hire Dave Wannstedt As Special Teams Coach

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Wannstedt spent the past two seasons with the Buffalo Bills, most recently serving as the Bills defensive coordinator. He was fired along with Chan Gailey and the rest of his staff on New Years Eve.

The fact that Wannstedt has wound up in Tampa should really be surprising to no one. Both Greg Schiano and Wannstedt spent time together in Chicago, with Wannstedt serving as Schiano’s boss as the head coach of he Bears. But back then Schiano was just the learner while now he is the master.

Schiano and Wannstedt bumped into each other on plenty of occasions while they were both in the Big East back in their college coaching days. But in becoming the Buccaneers special teams coach, Wannstedt is doing so for the first time in his NFL coaching career.

The move to hire Wanndstedt doesn’t hurt at all, although some may take issue with his lack of coaching success in the recent past. But Greg Schiano is doing the same exact thing he did last year when he was assembling a brilliant staff — he’s seeking out guys that know what they’re doing and surrounding himself with them.
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First time head coach hiring a "friend" to be a first time ST coach... I'm not liking the way that sounds already. "Lack of coaching success in recent past" ....

Yeah, we should have jumped all over that.
 
Good to see Jacoby playing a big role on a Super Bowl team, but he had to leave to Houston. Change of scenery is just what he needed.
 
Jacoby with the longest Kick Return in NFL history, on the biggest stage. Along with another big TD.


FIRE JOE.
 
It's not the special teams coach. It's the head coach and his upset stomach face. It's not just the returners that choke in big spots and make bonehead plays. It's from all phases.
 
Lets see, we run jones out of town and is now in discussion for super bowl MVP, we run Holiday out of town and he was top 3 returners this season.....yup joe Marciano is NOT the problem :kitten:
 
Rey said:
It's not the special teams coach. It's the head coach and his upset stomach face. It's not just the returners that choke in big spots and make bonehead plays. It's from all phases.
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I agree with this 100%. Because coach Joe is not the problem. He saw the potential in T. Holliday. Even though he was hurt. I was one of the haters. I thought he was a waist of space.
The thing is now. He is one of the top kick returners in the league.
 
amazing80 said:
Lets see, we run jones out of town and is now in discussion for super bowl MVP, we run Holiday out of town and he was top 3 returners this season.....yup joe Marciano is NOT the problem :kitten:
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I bet Marciano wasn't consulted when they decided to cut either Jacoby or Trindon.

Our special teams also played better in the play offs when we "unprotected" players & let them play STs.

I bet our special teams once again becomes one of the better units in the whole league in 2013, but only if coach Joe is here. Fire Marciano & bring in someone like Wannestedt & I can't make any such guarantee.
 
FIRE HIM refusing to do so would be just like spitting in the fans face


find someone better it wont be that hard 2 do


Why are we so scared for some tweeking a damm ST coach Ravens Changed there OC mid season and look what happend

THIS IS THE DAMM OFFSEASON MCNAIR ****TT !!!!
 
Rey said:
It's not the special teams coach. It's the head coach and his upset stomach face. It's not just the returners that choke in big spots and make bonehead plays. It's from all phases.
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Winning post ^^^^^.

Would rep but I'm on the TapaTalk for mobile devices app.
 
Rey said:
It's not the special teams coach. It's the head coach and his upset stomach face. It's not just the returners that choke in big spots and make bonehead plays. It's from all phases.
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You're right, only handsome coaches win games. :kitten:
 
Why would you guys want to fire Marciano? According to Seth Payne and others at 610, he is a REALLY nice guy, so there is no reason why people should want him fired.
 
rolyat93 said:
Jacoby with the longest Kick Return in NFL history, on the biggest stage. Along with another big TD.
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I bet he'll have a spot in the HoF because of it.


Imagine that. You go to the HoF next year & BAM, you see Matt Schaub's cleats & Jacoby's helmet/visor.
 
rolyat93 said:
Jacoby with the longest Kick Return in NFL history, on the biggest stage. Along with another big TD.


FIRE JOE.
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Plus...the record is unbreakable...it can only be tied...


nevermind... it was ONLY 108 yards. Gamecast was calling it 109 last night and they have since adjusted it.
 
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Señor Stan;2120421 said:
Plus...the record is unbreakable...it can only be tied...


nevermind... it was ONLY 108 yards. Gamecast was calling it 109 last night and they have since adjusted it.
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Although JJ DID still set a record last night.
Only player in NFL history to score a KR for TD AND an offensive TD in the same game.
 
ThaJokaa said:
because he was a rookie
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So we weren't going to win that game anyway.

Jacoby was trying to make a play. It didn't work out for him. We've seen those plays end up going for TDs, if Jacoby was able to get us on the other side of the 50, he'd have been a hero.

As it were, take away Jacoby's muff & we're still going to have a rookie airing it out against Ed Reed & the Ravens secondary. There should have been 6 interceptions, but there were only 3.

Blaming Jacoby for that loss is just hate. That's all it is.
 
Luv_ya_blue said:
Although JJ DID still set a record last night.
Only player in NFL history to score a KR for TD AND an offensive TD in the same game.
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Jacoby also set the record for total return yards by one player. I forget how much, but it was like 210. He had a great game, and really showed off why he was voted to the pro-bowl.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Jacoby also set the record for total return yards by one player. I forget how much, but it was like 210. He had a great game, and really showed off why he was voted to the pro-bowl.
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I didn't realize that.
Not hard to break records when you break one for 108, I guess.
:rake:
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Why would you guys want to fire Marciano? According to Seth Payne and others at 610, he is a REALLY nice guy, so there is no reason why people should want him fired.
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i cant stand this about the texans and the astros.

we dont watch sports because we want to watch a buncha sorry players who are good guys.

we watch sports to see talented players and to be entertained.

ive had enough mediocre good old houston boys like kubiak and playoff chokers like biggio and bagwell.
 
thunderkyss said:
I bet Marciano wasn't consulted when they decided to cut either Jacoby or Trindon.

Our special teams also played better in the play offs when we "unprotected" players & let them play STs.

I bet our special teams once again becomes one of the better units in the whole league in 2013, but only if coach Joe is here. Fire Marciano & bring in someone like Wannestedt & I can't make any such guarantee.
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Sorry but I have to disagree on this. For one, it's not just about returns. It was more about the actual coverage last year. Take the Colts game when the guy right up the freaking middle untouched. There was no discipline for lane protection by the coverage team. That is coaching.

Last five seasons we have been ranked in the top ten of special teams once and that was way back in 2008. After that? 16th, 20th, 17th and this past season 32nd. How much more needs to be seen to think we need a change? Plus I highly doubt they cut a guy like Trindon who was only a special teams guy and didn't tell the special teams coach. These guys communicate. Things don't just happen and get passed on at lunch time or at the coffee maker, heh.

So it comes down to more than mere returns. I mean if we wish to be medicore or bad then by all means hold on to the guy. But sometimes you have to take that step forward to make your team better instead of standing pat at same ol' same ol'.
 
deucetx said:
Last five seasons we have been ranked in the top ten of special teams once and that was way back in 2008. After that? 16th, 20th, 17th and this past season 32nd. How much more needs to be seen to think we need a change?
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I was under the impression that we were much better than that other than the last two years. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong & I agree with you.

Good point.
deucetx said:
Plus I highly doubt they cut a guy like Trindon who was only a special teams guy and didn't tell the special teams coach. These guys communicate. Things don't just happen and get passed on at lunch time or at the coffee maker, heh.
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I'm sure they told him but I'm also sure he didn't get a vote. I'm also thinking he doesn't get a say in who plays special teams or who doesn't. I've got no proof (other than there were players on special teams during the play offs that weren't during the season) but I think Kubiak & Wade tells Marciano who he can & can't have & Marciano has to make it work.

I'm not saying I think he should be able to pick all the players he wants, but he should probably have a little more input.
 
Marciano: I really need AJ returning kicks & Cushing as a burner.

Kubiak: Alright, NOW you're fired.
 
Some ST coaches are so good that they outgrow their jobs. I hardly see this happening with Marciano.

Harbaugh spent nine of his 10 seasons in Philadelphia as the Eagles' special-teams coordinator. Andy Reid moved him to defensive backs coach in '07, largely to help him improve his chances of getting a pro or college head-coaching job.

"You get to that age and financial spot where you've got to make a move or you're going to outprice yourself as a special-teams coordinator," Reid, now the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, said Monday.

"John was climbing [salarywise] into the upper echelon of special-teams coaches. And you just didn't see DB coaches being DB coaches at that time for the amount of money John was making. He had to make the move or he was going to outprice himself or have to take a pay cut [to become a position coach]."

Harbaugh is one of six former Reid assistants to become NFL head coaches, and the first to win a Super Bowl.
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