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Holy Cow - Manti Te’o’s Dead Girlfriend is a HOAX

There's obviously alot more to this story than has been reported already and I would imagine that when all is said and done Te'o draft stock will take a big hit. Some folks on the radio are even speculating that Te'o may be gay and this girlfriend story is a way to cover that up.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Some folks on the radio are even speculating that Te'o may be gay and this girlfriend story is a way to cover that up.
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That was the first thing to come to mind for me actually - didn't want to just start throwing out random theories, but that is certainly something I could see being true.
 
Vinny said:
The South Bend Tribune scrubbed the story they published of Teo physically meeting his made up girlfriend....but google cache doesn't scrub so well.



http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...nti-te&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
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And this whole thing is the rub for me. ND and all of his fans are saying "poor T'eo was duped" and that he was hoaxed. He made up a story about a detailed meeting of his girlfriend....twice. He let papers and media run with the story about how they met and their relationship for the entire season. He also had a "girlfriend" that was in a car accident and had leukemia but not once did he visit her? The whole thing doesn't add up and ND ignoring these things makes them just as pathetic.
 
Wolf6151 said:
There's obviously alot more to this story than has been reported already and I would imagine that when all is said and done Te'o draft stock will take a big hit. Some folks on the radio are even speculating that Te'o may be gay and this girlfriend story is a way to cover that up.
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This was the first thing that came to my mind, he being gay and this was a cover. The second was he was that he has mental issues.

I would not be surprised in the next few months, that there is a story that in or around 2009, when he supposedly meet this girl, he was confronted about being gay, Te'o denied it and made the story up as a cover, knowing he would not be accepted by his teammates, and left it at that. I even think, to protect Te'o as a football player, his friends and family went along with it...

He wasn't a well know college player at the time so he let the cover keep going, then he blew up, became a media darling and a Heisman candidate, the media got wind of the story, ran with it as a "feel good story", like only the media can, and Te'o could not control what was happening so he went along with it and now the lie has come full circle...
 
Former NFL player says Lennay Kekua 'real,' met her in person

"This was before her and Manti," Mauia said Wednesday evening. "I don't think Manti was even in the picture, but she and I became good friends. We would talk off and on, just checking up on each other kind of thing. I am close to her family. When she was going through the loss of her father, I was-I offered a comforting shoulder and just someone to bounce her emotions off. That was just from meeting her in Samoa."

Mauia told ESPN that he was introduced to Kekua by Ronaiah Tuiasosopo, a close friend of Te'o's. Mauia believes that Tuiasosopo was Kekua's cousin.
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Here's my $.02. Facts to date:

-Te'o never said he actually met her
-Te'o's dad either directly or indirectly said they met at a Stanford game
-the media then reported more and more embellished stories about real life interaction

So having been 'Catfished' myself in college (sigh, sad to admit, several times), I'm starting to wonder if he told the truth. There is (or was) a deep pool of crazy ass women online who lie about who they are because, one can only assume, they enjoy the attention(?).

They make up crazy stories as to why they can't meet, video chat, etc. Lie about things like illness, disease, accidents, dying family members, etc.

Now, if this was months, I get it. Maybe he is just insecure and got duped by a crazy girl lying about who she is.

If this was truly for 3 years, well..... Not sure what I believe then.

The AZ player coming out, well, I thin he is full of it and flat out lying to try to cover for a friend.
 
Well, Teo said something about being with her "again".

At some point he lied. He either lied to his parents and let them perpetuate the lie, or he lied with his own lips. Maybe both.
 
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Rey said:
Well, Teo said something about being with her "again".

At some point he lied. He either lied to his parents and let them perpetuate the lie, or he lied with his own lips. Maybe both.
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It sounds like his parents implied and the media inferred. If he believed it was real, why does he care about the details of stories in the media?

(of course, to me a plausible alternate theory is he is gay and this was his cover story)
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Here's my $.02. Facts to date:

-Te'o never said he actually met her
-Te'o's dad either directly or indirectly said they met at a Stanford game
-the media then reported more and more embellished stories about real life interaction
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Ok, assuming that Te'o never told the "media" he actually met her in person, we do know he told it to teammates and obviously to his dad (where else would the dad get the story?)

So trying to portray him as an innocent victim is playing ostrich. The stories about how they met and their in person meetings came from him, not anywhere else. It's understandable he lied so people wouldn't know he never met the woman but don't try to pretend like he is completely innocent.

So having been 'Catfished' myself in college (sigh, sad to admit, several times), I'm starting to wonder if he told the truth. There is (or was) a deep pool of crazy ass women online who lie about who they are because, one can only assume, they enjoy the attention(?).

They make up crazy stories as to why they can't meet, video chat, etc. Lie about things like illness, disease, accidents, dying family members, etc.

Now, if this was months, I get it. Maybe he is just insecure and got duped by a crazy girl lying about who she is.

If this was truly for 3 years, well..... Not sure what I believe then.

The AZ player coming out, well, I thin he is full of it and flat out lying to try to cover for a friend.
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The length of time is what gets me along with him describing how he talked with her for hours every night and falling asleep with her on the phone. If this was strictly online, who was he talking to? And you are telling me a hoaxer will go to the length of having daily hours long heartfelt talks over the phone over a long period of time just to perpetuate a ruse? :smiliepalm:
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Here's my $.02. Facts to date:

-Te'o never said he actually met her
-Te'o's dad either directly or indirectly said they met at a Stanford game
-the media then reported more and more embellished stories about real life interaction

So having been 'Catfished' myself in college (sigh, sad to admit, several times), I'm starting to wonder if he told the truth. There is (or was) a deep pool of crazy ass women online who lie about who they are because, one can only assume, they enjoy the attention(?).

They make up crazy stories as to why they can't meet, video chat, etc. Lie about things like illness, disease, accidents, dying family members, etc.

Now, if this was months, I get it. Maybe he is just insecure and got duped by a crazy girl lying about who she is.

If this was truly for 3 years, well..... Not sure what I believe then.

The AZ player coming out, well, I thin he is full of it and flat out lying to try to cover for a friend.
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In Bold, in the interview I heard this morning, HE talked about her physical beauty, suggesting he did meet her. Could he be talking about this from possibly a photo?

Man this thing is absolutely nuking futz....I still think this is some sort of cover up for something greater that has yet to be reviled...
 
Stemp said:
And you are telling me a hoaxer will go to the length of having daily hours long heartfelt talks over the phone over a long period of time just to perpetuate a ruse? :smiliepalm:
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Yes - I say that from personal experience. The lengths these people go to is insane. I can only assume they are living really messed up lives or something.

Again, 3-6 mos I get. 3 years....?? If all that is true, he did get duped, then Te'o has some deep seeded issues and needs a shrink.
 
BullNation4Life said:
In Bold, in the interview I heard this morning, HE talked about her physical beauty, suggesting he did meet her. Could he be talking about this from possibly a photo?

Man this thing is absolutely nuking futz....
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I got that from Deadspin on 610 - the Deadspin guy made it very clear that Te'o never actually said he met her. That came from other people and the media ran with it.

I trust him since they did all the research.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Here's my $.02. Facts to date:

-Te'o never said he actually met her
-Te'o's dad either directly or indirectly said they met at a Stanford game
-the media then reported more and more embellished stories about real life interaction

So having been 'Catfished' myself in college (sigh, sad to admit, several times), I'm starting to wonder if he told the truth. There is (or was) a deep pool of crazy ass women online who lie about who they are because, one can only assume, they enjoy the attention(?).

They make up crazy stories as to why they can't meet, video chat, etc. Lie about things like illness, disease, accidents, dying family members, etc.

Now, if this was months, I get it. Maybe he is just insecure and got duped by a crazy girl lying about who she is.

If this was truly for 3 years, well..... Not sure what I believe then.

The AZ player coming out, well, I thin he is full of it and flat out lying to try to cover for a friend.
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The story about them meeting at the Stanford game was given by him. The reporters who wrote it...not Deadspin.. were quoted as saying they got the information from he and his family. The part about the looks and touching hands...him. That story was out there for public consumption for a year and he never denied it or corrected it.

I'm not saying he is part of the hoax but it concerns me that the above story was through him and was never corrected and it concerns me that his "love" was in an auto accident and had leukemia and he never once went to see her in a hospital...or tried to. To me that is fishy. He talked about sending white flowers to her funeral yet there was no funeral.
 
Ok here is my question, and I hope I do not offend those this has happened to...

At what point in this "relationship" do you not call BS and move on? If a girl I met, over the internet, found every excuse not to meet me, my red flag is going up that either...

A: she isn't who she says she is,

B: she is actually a he or

C: She has some serious issues and I am not sure I want to be apart of that...

It says this was a 3 year relationship, right, and he did or didn't actually meet her? Wouldn't that be a sign of serious emotional instability?
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
I got that from Deadspin on 610 - the Deadspin guy made it very clear that Te'o never actually said he met her. That came from other people and the media ran with it.

I trust him since they did all the research.
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No this was Te'o himself talking to Jim Rome in an interview...He talked about not only was she beautiful "physically" but spiritually as well, or something to that effect...
 
BullNation4Life said:
Ok here is my question, and I hope I do not offend those this has happened to...

At what point in this "relationship" do you not call BS and move on? If a girl I met, over the internet, found every excuse not to meet me, my red flag is going up that either...

A: she isn't who she says she is,

B: she is actually a he or

C: She has some serious issues and I am not sure I want to be apart of that...

It says this was a 3 year relationship, right, and he did or didn't actually meet her? Wouldn't that be a sign of serious emotional instability?
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As far as always failing to meet up in person.....

Fool me once....shame on you.
Fool me twice... shame on me.
Fool me 3+ times.... I'm probably desperate and someone who has low self esteem and want to believe I'm in a relationship even though I know I'm really not.
Fool me numerous times over 3 years.... I am a complete idiot who yet somehow managed to graduate from Notre Dame and successfully play a difficult position in football that requires thinking and instinct that I'm likely to be drafted in the NFL....... or I was a part of it.
 
Stemp said:
As far as always failing to meet up in person.....

Fool me once....shame on you.
Fool me twice... shame on me.
Fool me 3+ times.... I'm probably desperate and someone who has low self esteem and want to believe I'm in a relationship even though I know I'm really not.
Fool me numerous times over 3 years.... I am a complete idiot who yet somehow managed to graduate from Notre Dame and successfully play a difficult position in football that requires thinking and instinct that I'm likely to be drafted in the NFL....... or I was a part of it.
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I am almost hoping Sheldon pops his head out and shouts...BAZZINGA!
 
HoustonFrog said:
The story about them meeting at the Stanford game was given by him. The reporters who wrote it...not Deadspin.. were quoted as saying they got the information from he and his family. The part about the looks and touching hands...him. That story was out there for public consumption for a year and he never denied it or corrected it.

I'm not saying he is part of the hoax but it concerns me that the above story was through him and was never corrected and it concerns me that his "love" was in an auto accident and had leukemia and he never once went to see her in a hospital...or tried to. To me that is fishy. He talked about sending white flowers to her funeral yet there was no funeral.
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To correct myself and go with Yankee here this is an update from the authors of the article about the girlfriend and how they met

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/manti-teos-fake-dead-girlfriend-breaks-the-internet.php

Update: the author of this article has said that Te'o's father was the source for the information about how the couple met. Presumably this information was a lie his son told him.
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Would someone cover for him and throw it to his Dad? Either way T'eo lied to his Dad and told him this stuff...all of this stuff\

"Lennay Kekua was a Stanford student and Cardinal football fan when the two exchanged glances, handshakes and phone numbers that fateful weekend three seasons ago.

She was gifted in music, multi-lingual, had dreams grounded in reality and the talent to catch up to them.

The plan was for Kekua to spend extensive time with the whole Te'o family when upwards of 40 of them came to South Bend in mid-November for ND's Senior Day date with Wake Forest.

'They started out as just friends,' Brian Te'o said. 'Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there. But within the last year, they became a couple. And we came to the realization that she could be our daughter-in-law. Sadly, it won't happen now.'"
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Stemp said:
The guy is a devout Mormon so it's highly likely he is a virgin waiting for marriage.
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I wonder which is considered worse in Mormon theology, pre-marital sex or publicly lying for months on end?

Texecutioner said:
Have no idea why this is even a story. Especially that it is the biggest news story all over the sports world.
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Find a bigger sports story going on right now. This has implication for ND as well as the young man himself. Let's hope it has implications for all the journalists who ran with it blindly.

Yankee_In_TX said:
Here's my $.02. Facts to date:

-Te'o never said he actually met her
-Te'o's dad either directly or indirectly said they met at a Stanford game
-the media then reported more and more embellished stories about real life interaction
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From the deadspin article
Nov. 28, 2009: Te'o and Kekua meet after Stanford's 45-38 victory over Notre Dame in Palo Alto, according to the South Bend Tribune: "Their stares got pleasantly tangled, then Manti Te'o extended his hand to the stranger with a warm smile and soulful eyes." Kekua, a Stanford student, swaps phone numbers with Te'o.
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That quote isn't attributed to his Dad, as the next one is. So, exactly how did the SB Trib get the story? Edit: I see Frog's response above. Still looks like Te'o is fibbing to somebody.

Aside - Can I believe he got taken in? Sure. Does that excuse the layer-upon-layer of BS that's emerged since then? Nope. Was it made public before the Heisman voting? How about that bowl game? Neither ND, nor Te'o have a story that answers all the questions yet.
 
disaacks3 said:
I wonder which is considered worse in Mormon theology, pre-marital sex or publicly lying for months on end?

Find a bigger sports story going on right now. This has implication for ND as well as the young man himself. Let's hope it has implications for all the journalists who ran with it blindly.

From the deadspin article That quote isn't attributed to his Dad, as the next one is. So, exactly how did the SB Trib get the story? Edit: I see Frog's response above. Still looks like Te'o is fibbing to somebody.

Aside - Can I believe he got taken in? Sure. Does that excuse the layer-upon-layer of BS that's emerged since then? Nope. Was it made public before the Heisman voting? How about that bowl game? Neither ND, nor Te'o have a story that answers all the questions yet.
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This is a really great read on all of these questions..I'll highlight the one I didn't even think about

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/manti-teos-fake-dead-girlfriend-breaks-the-internet.php

9. What's the motive to fake this relationship?

This is where I get hung up and the question I return to again and again. You're talking about hours and hours of effort to fake a relationship. What's the payoff? To humiliate someone? (And stop with your Catfish emails, I know all about the show). I just don't buy that there's someone who wants to sit on the phone for eight hours long night after night pretending to be near death with cancer so they can eventually say, "Gotcha!"

This is the biggest waste of time ever. Plus, it requires not only a fake girlfriend, but a fake brother. And maybe other fake family members too. What's the point of an entire conspiracy built around convincing Manti Te'o that his online girlfriend is real?

And that's what I can't get past, there just isn't a real motive to fake this relationship. There's no payoff, no pot of gold at the end of the long con.

Watch this video beginning at 2:30 and look at how crazy this is. "She" wrote letters to him before every game?
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HoustonFrog said:
That story was out there for public consumption for a year and he never denied it or corrected it.

I'm not saying he is part of the hoax but it concerns me that the above story was through him and was never corrected and it concerns me that his "love" was in an auto accident and had leukemia and he never once went to see her in a hospital...or tried to. To me that is fishy. He talked about sending white flowers to her funeral yet there was no funeral.
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I still believe that it is plausible he was a dupe - he fell in love with 'her' and was too blind to call her BS. If that was the case for 3 years, then the boy needs a shrink. I could also see her not showing up for things so he lied or his family lied to cover.

I had a New Year's Eve date one year in college, online girl I was meeting for the first time. We had talked for months hours at a time, she lived about 6 hours away (in Ohio that's far! lol) - she called day of and made up some excuse about winning bowl game tickets and a limo, etc.

Needless to say, I lied to my friends about everything, it was embarrassing to be so stupid.

My gut is women that do this are unattractive or trash and lie about their appearance and who they are - and they enjoy the hours talking every day because they get to pretend they are someone else.

Now, I'm not saying 100% he got duped, but I submit to you it is very possible and if he did it for 3 years, the boy has some issues that need dealt with.

Oh, and I talked to some of these girls' 'family members.' Not far fetched 'he, I met this guy online friend/brother/whatever, he is starting to stalk me, will you tell him I died?' Cause yeah, I had third party folks tell me one of the online girls I talked to she had missed our meet up because she was in a bad car accident. Just my point - this **** does happen and there are crazy desperate people out there. I think the longest I was duped by a girl was roughly 4 months. What was her end game? Nothing, I guess?

If he truly was duped for 3 years I would not take him in the first round.
 
LoL I just heard on the radio that after one of their games the coach gave the game ball to teo's Gf. Told Teo to take the ball back to Hawaii.
 
When I was younger and aol chatrooms were a big deal I used to be in those things all the time.

I would not have fallen for this for 3 damn years. Not even 2 weeks...
 
Wolf6151 said:
There's obviously alot more to this story than has been reported already and I would imagine that when all is said and done Te'o draft stock will take a big hit. Some folks on the radio are even speculating that Te'o may be gay and this girlfriend story is a way to cover that up.
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This makes the most logical sense to me in an Occam's razor sort of way.

He's from a Mormon family going to to a Catholic school playing on a football scholarship. Any one of those three frown on homosexuality, but all three? Great incentive to make up a g/f in order to deflect any curiosity about his sexuality. Make her in another state so it explains why she is never around, but gives him a perfect excuse why he's not taking advantage of all the easy girls that give themselves to football players.

So he's either gay, or a pathological liar, or a gullible dupe. The first makes the most sense given everything he has said to the press over the years. But this would be the last thing he would ever admit because of the pro career ahead of him.
 
Double Barrel said:
This makes the most logical sense to me in an Occam's razor sort of way.

He's from a Mormon family going to to a Catholic school playing on a football scholarship. Any one of those three frown on homosexuality, but all three? Great incentive to make up a g/f in order to deflect any curiosity about his sexuality. Make her in another state so it explains why she is never around, but gives him a perfect excuse why he's not taking advantage of all the easy girls that give themselves to football players.

So he's either gay, or a pathological liar, or a gullible dupe. The first makes the most sense given everything he has said to the press over the years. But this would be the last thing he would ever admit because of the pro career ahead of him.
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The gay theory is actually starting to get some traction around the internet. Just google "manti teo gay".

Plus he chose to go to ND.
 
The story going around is this was a sympathy ploy created by Te'os friend Ronaiah Tuiasosopo -- to garner media attention for Manti.

Which means Manti went along with it.

That Tuiasosopo initially "conjured" the girl in 2009 and duped at least one other guy with an online romance.

Only problem is, this Ronaiah Tuiasosopo is also a pastor at a church in Palmdale, California. (?)(!)

Even worse, former Arizona Cardinal Reagan Mauia says he actually met the girl Kekeo -- which means this Pastor Ronaiah Tuiasosopo took this as far as to have someone agree to pose as "her".

Which would make Pastor Tuiasosopo one sick bastage.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
I already said no.

If he was duped, well, then he has emotional issues and is unstable.

If he lied then heck no.

If he is gay, well, will an NFL locker room accept that?
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Personally I think he lied about it. Just doesn't add up.

I'd take a shot at him though, especially since he's a top prospect and would fill a need. I don't think we'd need him to be a leader, we just need talented LBs.
 
fiasco west said:
Personally I think he lied about it. Just doesn't add up.

I'd take a shot at him though, especially since he's a top prospect and would fill a need. I don't think we'd need him to be a leader, we just need talented LBs.
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If he lied risk/reward - he could fall in our lap but he could also burn out and stink or never play.
 
ckhouston said:
He had to be in on it in an attempt to win the Heisman.

That being said I hope his draft stock plummets.
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That is a guarantee. Every GM will quiz him about this and come away thinking he's not even worth a 5th round pick. He will never hear the end of it in the locker room and become a massive distraction. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole now if I'm a GM.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
If he lied risk/reward - he could fall in our lap but he could also burn out and stink or never play.
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hell, he's already passed on the Sr Bowl. Dude's career is supposed to be playing football after College and he's passing the Sr Bowl. Another red flag to me. Perhaps he can be the Rocket's Royce White bookend we need for sports talk radio?
 
One thing that I am having difficulty with is this:

Te’o was aware that she had cancer. It was not a situation where he found out she had cancer and then she died. So there was a certain period where she had cancer and he was aware. If this person was really the love of his life, why would he not at least visited her once in the hospital? I know if someone I cared about was in the hospital, I would visit them. If the love of my life was diagnosed with Leukemia, you can bet your life savings I would have visited her at least once. Hard to wrap my mind around that one.
 
Vinny said:
hell, he's already passed on the Sr Bowl. Dude's career is supposed to be playing football after College and he's passing the Sr Bowl. Another red flag to me. Perhaps he can be the Rocket's Royce White bookend we need for sports talk radio?
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He should drop, but not just because of this... it was his play in the NCG. He was badly exposed during the Bama game. He feasted on poor offenses during the regular season. In the championship game when he finally faced a legit offense, he faltered badly. In the NFL, just about every team he would face would have as good or a better offense than Alabama.
 
Doppelganger said:
One thing that I am having difficulty with is this:

Te’o was aware that she had cancer. It was not a situation where he found out she had cancer and then she died. So there was a certain period where she had cancer and he was aware. If this person was really the love of his life, why would he not at least visited her once in the hospital? I know if someone I cared about was in the hospital, I would visit them. If the love of my life was diagnosed with Leukemia, you can bet your life savings I would have visited her at least once. Hard to wrap my mind around that one.
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yeah, his story doesn't hold water. It's just not believable. I think he is naive all right, naive enough to think he can make bold faced lies in that kind of spotlight. Dude got a lot of love for this a few months ago so I don't feel bad for him now. He deserves all the shame he is getting.

Doppelganger said:
He should drop, but not just because of this... it was his play in the NCG. He was badly exposed during the Bama game. He feasted on poor offenses during the regular season. In the championship game when he finally faced a legit offense, he faltered badly. In the NFL, just about every team he would face would have as good or a better offense than Alabama.
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I've watched him play a few times and I don't think he can play in man coverage at the next level. He's had some picks but they were all in zone. I think DeMeco was a better prospect coming out of Bama.
 
Ghostform said:
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^^^ That.

Common answer from crazy online hoes as to why you can't see them after an accident/illness:
(1) this hopsital only allows family members
(2) I'm recovering at a family member's out of state
(3) I don't want you to see me like this

When you try to push, they get mad, and say things like "I'm sick/injured, why are you being so pushy?" and then turn it on you and why you're being a jerk, start a fight, and eventually guilt you into getting off the phone.

Again, not saying I know the truth, just saying it is entirely possible he is telling the truth.

*note* in my defense, during my online dating days Facebook didn't exist and MySpace was just being born, so it was uncommon for someone to have 50 family photos of someone they aren't, nah, no defense, I was a co-dependent dumbass, but hey, we all have our days of being lame
 
Vinny said:
hell, he's already passed on the Sr Bowl. Dude's career is supposed to be playing football after College and he's passing the Sr Bowl. Another red flag to me. Perhaps he can be the Rocket's Royce White bookend we need for sports talk radio?
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He passed on the Sr Bowl because they were going to release this storyt next week. Too bad someone decided to break the story first.
 
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