Kubiak and Schaub couldn't be any more safer... and it's absolutely disgusting

[Hervoyel]

In any event, i only talk about the above to ask you this 1 question. Do you think Kubiak is doing anything apart from what he's been doing for the last 17 weeks to get this team to refocus? ; because the product on the field suggests that he isn't. His radio shows and press conference seems to indicate this as well...blah..blah...execution.....blah..blah...get better...it's on me...just rinse and repeat to get the same results.

I don't think Kubiak has changed up anything he's done for the last decade. He is a believer and he believes in the system. He thinks that if you carry yourself like a Pro then you become one. He thinks that if a team practices the same thing, the same way, every day that it becomes an unstoppable force or some BS. Now that's a little over the top on my part but my point is that he follows the process he believes is responsible for success in this league and he follows it religiously. That doesn't change.

Your true believers never do.

 

[Hervoyel]

Since 1968 I've followed professional football in Houston. It's a wonder I've survived so long, I must have a strong heart. I say we blow up that DOME and Reliant Stadium, it has to be built on an Indian burial ground and move that sucker to Katy, they seem to win the State Championship every year.... Call in a voodoo doctor, an Exorcist, and hope we find good luck, because for some danged reason we're just jinxed.

Not sure if it would help. The entire area may be contaminated by now.

 

[thunderkyss]

Kubiak calls a game as if he can't trust his players. And hey, the way they've played lately, he's probably right. So why the hell did he assemble this group of players this way and coach them to be the way they are now?

The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

The reason, is because we have not had a DC who could do the same on the defensive side of the ball. We've been putting our blue chips over there because of it. After seeing what Wade did with what he had, I was hoping we would be able to get some "pedigree" on the offensive side of the ball.

Losing Mario killed that. However, if Wade thought Barwin & Reed were good enough to keep the rookie on the bench for most of the year, then I think we were wrong not to take a WR early. Either that, or Wade didn't like what he got in his new toy & we screwed that pick.

At the same time, I think Kubiak should have done a better job of getting the kiddie receivers acclimated to the game. We need them to step up now, but they're just getting their legs under them.

If those kids don't displace Kevin Walter in the play-offs (I still think we'll have more than one game) & we don't get a WR & a tackle/guard in the next draft, I'll be upset.

We still have problems on defense, I'm not saying any different, but it's time for Wade to make some lemonade.

 

[Thorn]

When I die, I want the Texans to be my pall bearers so they can let me down one last time.

Spoken like a true Houston fan. + rep

 

[Porky]

In years past i may have agreed with everything here...but over the last 3 weeks this team has just not responded the way that a superbowl contender should....& that falls squarely on Kubiak's shoulders.

I watch a ton of NFL shows on the NFL network and 1 of my favorite shows on their is "America's Game" where it chronicles the path of past SB champions. In nearly every one of these episodes there's always a point at which the HC changes something up based on what's going on with a particular player or the season. This usually serves as a catalyst to the team in some way...Sometimes its starting someone over another, sometimes its something as simple as a retreat of some sort to get the guys to bond better as a team as opposed to the same ol' practice routine..other times its just a few statements out to the press (Jimmy Johnson's famous "we will win the game" over the radio show).

In any event, i only talk about the above to ask you this 1 question. Do you think Kubiak is doing anything apart from what he's been doing for the last 17 weeks to get this team to refocus? ; because the product on the field suggests that he isn't. His radio shows and press conference seems to indicate this as well...blah..blah...execution.....blah..blah...get better...it's on me...just rinse and repeat to get the same results.

I have to agree with the above. I was watching the game with a friend, and when the Texans got the ball on their 1st possession, I yelled out "go hurry up". He nodded his head in agreement. When we came out in the 2nd half, I mentioned I might be inclined to start TJ in the 2nd half, even if only for a possession or two, and if not, then go hurry up...or come out firing or whatever. Something different. Give the Colts something they aren't ready for.

The point being, come out and do something unexpected. Shake something up. Not saying the hurry up or TJ Yates is the potion to fix every ailment of the offense, but all I know if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

And look at what the Colts did on 3rd and forever with a rookie QB. Did they run a freaking screen to the RB to try and get better field position? Hell no, they went for broke.

And it's completely unnerving that the Colts not only trust their rookie more than the Texans do their 10 yr vet, but the Rookie plays with more smarts and moxie than our vet does. When we had guys running off the field, what did Luck do? Snapped the damn ball, and got an instant 5 yards. That's playing with smarts and veteran leadership. Have you EVER seen Schaub do that? NO! It's Something Schaub seems incapable of doing.

And if Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub to make a play, then it's on him to find someone he does trust instead of re-upping him for 4 years.

Sorry Kube lovers. At the end of the day all roads lead to the same conclusion. Kubes is in over his head, and it's been the same since day freaking one and nothing has changed except I have fewer hairs on my head.

And BTW as a footnote. I was watching inside the game on channel 13 last night, and I personally didn't really care for Kubes answer when Bob Allen asked him what he had to say to the fans.

 

[Rey]

The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

I get what you're saying, but we have 2 probowl OL, a great WR, a pro bowl RB and a pr bowl QB that he hand picked. Hell, he hand picked KW to be his starting WR. KW doesn't suck. OD is a pro bowler top tier TE. Hell Garrett Grahm doesn't suck.

These players may have come to the team via low draft picks or off the scrap heap, but they are no longer lemons once they prove what they're capable of.

What is the difference between Foster and a first round RB? The price you initially paid to get them?

Vonta Leach was a pro bowl FB that we had. Casey has skills that don't get used. Ben Tate is a good second RB....That doesn't get used.

Lets not act like Kubiak is working with a bunch of scrubs or "lemons" over there. Regardless of where they cam from or how they got here, they are good players.

Do we need three pro bowlers on the OL? Another Pro bowl stud WR? Another pro bowl TE?

Man this crap is just a bunch of excuses.

What is so hard about saying they underachieved? They're doing a bad job?

 

[EllisUnit]

You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.

Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

 

[Hervoyel]

The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

The reason, is because we have not had a DC who could do the same on the defensive side of the ball. We've been putting our blue chips over there because of it. After seeing what Wade did with what he had, I was hoping we would be able to get some "pedigree" on the offensive side of the ball.

Losing Mario killed that. However, if Wade thought Barwin & Reed were good enough to keep the rookie on the bench for most of the year, then I think we were wrong not to take a WR early. Either that, or Wade didn't like what he got in his new toy & we screwed that pick.

At the same time, I think Kubiak should have done a better job of getting the kiddie receivers acclimated to the game. We need them to step up now, but they're just getting their legs under them.

If those kids don't displace Kevin Walter in the play-offs (I still think we'll have more than one game) & we don't get a WR & a tackle/guard in the next draft, I'll be upset.

We still have problems on defense, I'm not saying any different, but it's time for Wade to make some lemonade.

Gary's the guy who insists on bringing home all the lemons though. For years he was the guy who put that DC in place who had no clue. That's supposed to be forgivable because he gave him high draft picks to compensate for his lack of knowing how to be a DC? No, I'm sorry. To me this is the worst example of head coaching I can imagine. "Here, learn how to do this and while you're at it waste all of our best assets."?

Now he has to use early picks to salvage his bargain-basement offense.

 

[thunderkyss]

There are times to run plays and times not to.

I didn't have a problem with calling that play there. Just earlier, the Colts ran the same play to the other side & picked up a long third down. The biggest difference, is their players blocked it better than ours did.

KDub & Andre were split pretty far out. There was a receiver playing close to the line on Walter. At the snap, Walter ran right past that guy to block the guy lined up 10 yards deep over Andre, allowing the guy lined up on him free access to Andre.

Newton was coming to block for Andre, but he had to chip the DE. I don't know if it was the way it was drawn up, to get Matt some time, or if he just couldn't avoid the DE. But even if he didn't, there's no way he was going to get that far out to block the guy who was only 3 yards away from Andre.

Walter should have blocked the guy lined up over him, giving Newton time to block the deep guy over Andre. After Andre caught the ball, he should have ran a few steps towards Newton to help him reach his block. At the very least, they never should have been split that wide.


I'll say it again. The Colts ran the exact same play perfectly in the same situation.

 

[EllisUnit]

I have to agree with the above. I was watching the game with a friend, and when the Texans got the ball on their 1st possession, I yelled out "go hurry up". He nodded his head in agreement. When we came out in the 2nd half, I mentioned I might be inclined to start TJ in the 2nd half, even if only for a possession or two, and if not, then go hurry up...or come out firing or whatever. Something different. Give the Colts something they aren't ready for.

The point being, come out and do something unexpected. Shake something up. Not saying the hurry up or TJ Yates is the potion to fix every ailment of the offense, but all I know if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

And look at what the Colts did on 3rd and forever with a rookie QB. Did they run a freaking screen to the RB to try and get better field position? Hell no, they went for broke.

And it's completely unnerving that the Colts not only trust their rookie more than the Texans do their 10 yr vet, but the Rookie plays with more smarts and moxie than our vet does. When we had guys running off the field, what did Luck do? Snapped the damn ball, and got an instant 5 yards. That's playing with smarts and veteran leadership. Have you EVER seen Schaub do that? NO! It's Something Schaub seems incapable of doing.

And if Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub to make a play, then it's on him to find someone he does trust instead of re-upping him for 4 years.

Sorry Kube lovers. At the end of the day all roads lead to the same conclusion. Kubes is in over his head, and it's been the same since day freaking one and nothing has changed except I have fewer hairs on my head.

And BTW as a footnote. I was watching inside the game on channel 13 last night, and I personally didn't really care for Kubes answer when Bob Allen asked him what he had to say to the fans.

What did he have to say to the fans ?

 

[eriadoc]

The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

No. No. Hell no! Hell f&^% NO! Kubiak has built this team. Only one player exists from the pre-Kubiak days. This is Kubiak's baby. You say he's been forced to take less skilled players because the first rounders have gone to defense? Well, for starters, Kubiak is the one who resisted firing Richard Smith. Kubiak is the one who hired Frank Bush. Kubiak is the one who resisted firing Frank Bush. Kubiak is the one who was told, not asked, that Wade Phillips was going to be the new DC. So the defensive woes are all on Kubiak. He's been the head coah for SEVEN YEARS. This is HIS team. He built it, he assembled it, he screened who made the team, he hired the coaches (except Wade), he coached the players, he made the game plans, he made the game calls, and he is the one that turtles up when there's risk.

Kubiak's job is to build a Super Bowl team and win the Super Bowl. It takes time, and some coaches never get there; I get that. But if he's making the decision that it's OK to draft Brandon Harris in the 2nd round instead of an offensive player that can make an impact, that's on him. If he's making the decision to pass up WRs that are out there helping other teams right now in order to take a guy in the 3rd round that didn't even play football last year, that's on him. If he's saying it's OK to take a 3rd round CB that never ends up playing meaningful time for the team instead of taking an offensive contributor, that's on him.

THIS IS KUBIAK'S LEMONADE. He controls the recipe.

 

[Hervoyel]

Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

Ignore the noises coming from the box. It quiets down after a while when you do that.

 

[DX-TEX]

What did he have to say to the fans ?

"I am Vigo! The fans are like the buzzing of flies!"

 

[Porky]

What did he have to say to the fans ?

It was really snarky and off-putting. Does anyone have tape of this or saw it and can provide a better recap because I was like half asleep but it got my attention, and even Bob and Spencer made a comment about it afterwards.

 

[BullNation4Life]

This whole thing starts with the top and trickles down. Bob McNair should have had the stones to fire Kubiak when he went 6-10. McNair so desperately wants this Hometown boy taking the Hometown team to the Super Bowl story, it is almost sickening. McNair is a business man, not a football man thus, we get what we get.

Rick Smith and the mismanagement of the salary cap is inexcusable. You had to let the whole right side of your offensive line go, then expect to find in a year what took about 3-4 to gel together. That is ego. Speaking of ego...

Gary Kubiak is the most egotistic, stubborn coach I have ever seen. It's his way or the highway, and his way tends to lose allot of game. You can't run the ball because, A: you offensive line on the right side sucks, B: everybody and their mother knows where you are running. His offense has become so predictable it is sad. He keeps totting out the same players each year, knowing they need fire power on offense. Sticks with Walter at #2 and Casey at FB is just hard headed at the least. He won't set up the run with the pass, alah Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, and he lives and dies by the run. Yes I know his whole offense is based on the running game, but times, they are a changin' and almost everybody is now going to a 3-4 defense, which is a very good run stopping defense. Until he sees the light, and he won't I assure you, get use to 3 and outs and drives stalling in the red zone...

"Fools Gold" Phillips doesn't get off the hook either. It is know through the league that Wade Phillips installs his defense year 1 and it is awesome to see, however every year after, his defenses go backwards. Happens pretty much everywhere he has gone. He too keeps trotting the same players out on the defense that have no business being there. How many time are we gonna see Harris hold a WR because he cannot cover? How many times are we gonna see Demps out of place for a huge play? How many time are we gonna see Brady James get totally sucked in then have a TE blow right past him? Where is Rudd? Saw him in the Lions game covering a TE down field. Phillips doesn't seem to know how to make adjustments. GB, Jax, Lions, Pats, are games that he absolutely looked lost and cunfunded. After the 3rd TD, wouldn't it be time to make adjustments?

Special teams as a whole needs to go and be revamped. I am starting to thing it wasn't all Jacoby Jones and Trendon Holliday's fault. they actually had success in other places.

so fan, you want to lay blame, lay it on the team as a whole. Start with the owner and work your way down and everybody has a share in this debacle...

 

[thunderkyss]

I get what you're saying, but we have 2 probowl OL, a great WR, a pro bowl RB and a pr bowl QB that he hand picked. Hell, he hand picked KW to be his starting WR. KW doesn't suck. OD is a pro bowler top tier TE. Hell Garrett Grahm doesn't suck.

These players may have come to the team via low draft picks or off the scrap heap, but they are no longer lemons once they prove what they're capable of.

What is the difference between Foster and a first round RB? The price you initially paid to get them?

Vonta Leach was a pro bowl FB that we had. Casey has skills that don't get used. Ben Tate is a good second RB....That doesn't get used.

The biggest difference I see, is that I think those guys are "satisfied" with getting to the Pro-bowl. Being 12-3 & division champs & in the play-offs is acceptable to those guys.

But a guy like Andre who has won his whole life at the highest level of everything he's done... that guy wants more. Jj Watt wants more. KDub is happy to have a starting job. Would probably be happy coming off the bench. Chris Myers has probably accomplished everything he set out to accomplish but a Super Bowl & he's probably ok with that.

Vonta... I think he had that drive for more. I thought Foster did as well. I'm sure Ben Tate does, but I think he's been hurt more than we know.

Lets not act like Kubiak is working with a bunch of scrubs or "lemons" over there. Regardless of where they cam from or how they got here, they are good players.

You know KDub isn't starting on any other team. Wade Smith.... doubt it. Chris Meyers... maybe on another ZBS team. Owen Daniels... I haven't seen a starting caliber OD in years.

Do we need three pro bowlers on the OL? Another Pro bowl stud WR? Another pro bowl TE?

Man this crap is just a bunch of excuses.

What is so hard about saying they underachieved? They're doing a bad job?

Again, the Pro Bowl is the goal for some guys. It's a bump in the road for others. KDub is dreaming about being a Pro Bowler one day. If he doesn't get to the Super Bowl this year, I doubt he'll be as upset as you will be. I have no doubt in mind that Andre will be, that Duane Brown will be. That Jj Watt will be. James Casey... not so much.

Excuses... maybe. But certain players rise to the occasion, others don't.

 

[Surreal McCoy]

Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

Loads of people on this very board, many complaining about the play calling, have said so. TT should be changed to FF.

 

[steelbtexan]

The biggest tell, is that their biggest gripe about the game is that the team came out flat, uninspired, or unmotivated. Those are key words. It means, "I hate the head coach."

Most of these people have already stated they would be upset with Kubiak if we get to but lose the Super Bowl. I'm going to repeat that, because I like to hear myself talk. They said, even though our QB is crap, we have no talent on the OL, our defense is fool's gold, & Arian's a wimp. If we get to the Super Bowl it will be in spite of Kubiak. If we lose, it is because of Kubiak.

I dont hate the Gary, in fact I believe he's done his best job of coaching since he has been here. Fact is this team had very little depth to begin with and then injuries came.

Who's to blame for the lack of depth? we dont know, but I would think Gary has a major say in who's on the roster. So yeah, he should share in the blame. Schaub is Garys handpicked QB and he will succeed or not succeed based on hoe Schaub performs. It's not looking promising at this point.

 

[Runner]

What did he have to say to the fans ?

I can't remember word for word. He was asked how he felt about letting down the fans. He basically said he didn't care about the fans, he had a team to worry about.

It seemed like a "screw the fans" attitude to me. I guess he had to vent his anger somewhere.

 

[Mr teX]

I can't remember word for word. He was asked how he felt about letting down the fans. He basically said he didn't care about the fans, he had a team to worry about.

It seemed like a "screw the fans" attitude to me. I guess he had to vent his anger somewhere.

yeah, well i know of 53 guys that have no choice but to sit and listen to him venting....they might actually get something out of it to.

 

[Say Watt]

I am infuriated. I wish the fans would finally rise together and make a statement. If Gary wins against Cincinnati, which he should, he will get another year, and he probably deserves it. You win a playoff game, and you should keep your job. But if this team plays a stinker, this city better riot. They better let McNair know we are done with this BS and are sick of being spoon fed cow diarrhea while being told it's chocolate ice cream.