EllisUnit
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The rythm of handing the ball off ? Yeah would be terrible if he lost that, well even when we're getting blown out before TJ goes in makes sure to not get Schaub out of his rythm
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Pulling the starters is borderline unforgivable...
- Thread starter gtexan02
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The rythm of handing the ball off ? Yeah would be terrible if he lost that, well even when we're getting blown out before TJ goes in makes sure to not get Schaub out of his rythm
Pats fan perspective....
The one I didn't get was they were down 28-7 and had a 4th and 1 on their own 40. Why punt? If you don't make it the game is over but if you punt you've pretty much conceded and might as well pull your starters. I go for it and who cares if the other team scores because you don't convert. That's your last stand. Odds are they weren't coming back but give your guys a shot even if they were 0-2 on 4th down to that point.
Also going into the game I was really afraid of the open bootleg but we never saw it that I can remember.
Any way two cents from the outside.
The one I didn't get was they were down 28-7 and had a 4th and 1 on their own 40. Why punt? If you don't make it the game is over but if you punt you've pretty much conceded and might as well pull your starters. I go for it and who cares if the other team scores because you don't convert. That's your last stand. Odds are they weren't coming back but give your guys a shot even if they were 0-2 on 4th down to that point.
Also going into the game I was really afraid of the open bootleg but we never saw it that I can remember.
Any way two cents from the outside.
According to some fans, these players are just whiny little dudes venting and need to suck a pacifier.
Somebody needs to STFU and it ain't you, gtexan. Some folks gotta' defend Kubiak's decisions in spite of what those decisions reveal.
GP
Go Texans!
While I'd like to say that our head coach is a genius and he was intentionally sandbagging the playcalls.....for the purpose of then turning up the heat on you guys in the AFCC.....I don't think our head coach is smart enough to do that.
I mean, I try to logically understand why there were no screens to Owen Daniels. No screens to the RBs. No sweeps, no pitches, very VERY few runs designed to get the edge and leave Wilfork alone in the middle of his own private country he has. No bootlegs. I don't even think I saw a draw play.
In other words: Practically everything we do REALLY well, Gary Kubiak (I suppose) decided you guys would have that stuff scouted and would have prepared so well for it that everything we DON'T do well is what would be open for us against your defense.
I have no clue as to why this team, against the Packers and the Patriots, got so tremendously away form its normal game plans. I mean, I really really want to believe that Kubiak feels we might face the Packers in the Super Bowl and maybe face the Patriots in the AFC Championship game, so he's pulling a rope-a-dope. But then again, he's showed me nothing to give him THAT much credit for such a plan. And such a plan, IMO, is dumb because you need to win HFA throughout the playoffs...so there's no use in trying trickery.
Although this IS the guy who will often outsmart himself when he has a perfectly good way to go about the business of getting first downs and keep moving the ball at will. When we do that, he tends to go bonkers and has a series of calls that really boggle the most basic of football minds here.
Kareem Jackson not falling on that fumble near the goal line, and some timely calls by the refs, got us so deflated that nobody could settle down and do their jobs. Everyone was in "Oh crap" mode. The whole time after that fumble that KJ failed to recover for us. That was the turning point, when you guys scored that TD and then we screwed the pooch again on the next series of our own.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
would you have felt better if we had lost by 20ish pts and we had lost any of schaub, aj, od, db, myers, JJ or j-joe etc??
would we have seen you start a thread commending kubiak for not quitting eventhough the game was over?
My thoughts are "If they're going to play like they did last night every time they get in a big game against a high-profile opponent then what does it matter?"
Seriously, these guys just don't get up for big games. They cannot match the intensity or sheer will to win of the better teams. That's why Baltimore just literally has to fall apart due to injuries before we can beat them. That's why Indianapolis owns a 17-3 record against us. The Packers and Patriots are arguably the only two Super Bowl contenders we've played this year. I discount our win against the Broncos because it is universally accepted that Manning hadn't gotten his groove back when we played them. Today I have no doubt that he'd embarrass the Texans like he did in the past with the Colts.
Find any big game against any genuinely contending opponent that needs to win and you'll see a Texans team getting their heads handed to them. Last year's playoff loss to Baltimore is the high-water mark of the Houston Texans playing a quality opponent and that game was littered with Texans gaffs and screw ups.
To my mind the defense gets somewhat of a pass for last night because they get nothing from the offense in games like this. They have their hands full as it is and their injuries are well documented but the offense which is relatively intact (Come on, Ryan Harris for Derek Newton is a wash and Caldwell going to the house is addition through subtraction) just wets itself and sucks its thumb every time they take the field. I mean, if you're not scoring on the Patriot's you're losing. The defense eventually got it's act together and Gary's side of the ball didn't even come up with FG's to show for it.
Going back through Texans Kubiak-History and omitting 2006 to give him the benefit of distance from the David Carr Factor I see
2007 where they basically met or exceeded expectations (which were quite reasonable) going 8-8 in Schaub's first year of starting.
2008 destroyed by Pittsburgh right out of the gate, Rosencoptered against Indianapolis, and obliterated by Baltimore. Another 8-8.
2009 highlights include being sodomized on opening day by the Jets and rookie Mark Sanchez and a questionable win at the end against the Patriots who were already looking to the postseason to get us to 9-7. If the Patriots needed that game they would have taken it and the Texans would have enjoyed a third straight 8-8.
2010 where we get wasted by the Cowboys (a game fans expect to see maximum effort in), crushed by the Giants, and had our poop pushed in by Tim Tebow along with a seemingly never ending series of losses decided by late screw ups.
2011 Finally success interspersed with the Saints hanging 40 on us, The Raiders beating us in our house, Another punking from the Ravens, and losses to Carolina and Dan Orlovsky in Indy (another proud moment in primetime for the Texans).
This year we've had even more success (by one game) but as the stakes get higher the Texans look even more lost when facing contenders. Green Bay and New England wiped their asses with the Texans both on MNF to the delight of the viewing audience.
GP
Go Texans!
I fail to see where Paul Kuharsky proves that the players were unnerved by playing the bench.
I read the whole blog article, and all I see is two guys saying as little as they can so they don't create unnecessary static that might hang over everyone's heads.
Who is to say the guys were upset solely with the coaching? Could they be upset with themselves? They oughtta' be. Could they be upset with some of their teammates? They should. Should they be upset at the game plan by both their HC and their DC? Yes.
But what I really see is Paul Kuharsky sort of tweaking the quotes and bending things to suit his desire to sell a story. To get clicks. And hell, to have fun with it since he's a diehard Titans fan who really doesn't enjoy the duty of having to say great things about us, for damn sure.
A lot of these commentators wait for a shoe to drop. He obviously doesn't have anything positive to write about his own favorite team, the Titans. So he tries to create non-stories by using quotes that, to me, are not in any shape or form indicative of the full feelings of those players.
Duane Brown didn't have a good game. His man stood way off the line and used that distance to create so much speed that it made Duane commit to outside or inside...it was such a beautiful job by that DE/LB. Duane was having trouble with him all night long. Duane gets his mitts on a dude, it's over. Duane has to track and shuffle and reach for a dude, he can be exploited. Just an observation about his play last night. He can't be happy with how he performed.
My point was solely to support gtexan02's right to vent after a pathetic loss without all the personal attacks from well established posters that should know better than to be asshats.
Personally, I don't have a problem with the coaches pulling players after obviously quitting the game. They had quit in them after Brady's first TD. The high school bully just laughed at their jackets and stole their lunch money. You could read the body language from that point on. The fight was over in the 1st quarter with the exception of a handful of players.
2012Champs
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I actually think you might have read the body language wrong. The defense tightend up well in the middle of the game after getting punched in the mouth, it was the back up help er offense who never jumped in to throw a punch
The Patriots had their death grip on us at that point, much like an anaconda does when it bites it's prey. The rest of the game was them just suffocating us to death.
I never saw much fight in the Texans defense. A couple of three and outs after giving up three easy TDs does not impress me. The Patriots could have made that score a lot higher if they wanted to do so.
2012Champs
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21-0 with 30 min to play isnt a death grip and certainly not when your D is in the middle of posting 3 and outs and holding the pats to no points. The defense tightend and the offense had a chance to make a game of it
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Agree the D did a pretty good job , but how long do u expect them to stay on the field and stay fresh. We were down 21 we got 3 straight stops with zero points.
We can agree to disagree. The results speak for itself.
You do realize the Texans never got within a single score during the entire game, yeah?
This is the 10th year in a row that the Patriots have won 10 or more games. It's just business to them.
But for the Texans, it was like a Super Bowl to be on MNF against the Patriots. Makes them feel like little high school kids getting on a yellow bus.
At least they "had a chance to make a game of it". So they've got that going for them, I suppose.
2012Champs
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See I could see making the case that after the D had 3 straight 3 and outs and Matt and Co couldnt post points that the D fell off because at that point its somewhat deflating
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I do understand we never got within a single score and Id say that Matt's int was the first cause of the, special teams giving the pats good field pos to allow Tom a short field, a bad PI call on the Texans all played a part. However the D did give the offense a chance to post points and put the game within a score. 3 three and outs by the pats gave us the chance to pull within a TD or less if not tie
you have to have a chance to make a game of it and then have your offense execute. There is nothing good in looking back and having a chance
Thats your emotions talking.
Pulling the starters at that point was the only smart thing Kubiak did all night.Foster had a 13 yard run called back at the start of the game.
Jon Gruden can't see how Duane Brown was called for illegal formation; neither can I.
There's nobody else that lined up Improperly either.
I saw that and I just scratched my head; looks like we're in for a long night.
And Gruden couldn't believe the PI calls on Harris and Manning either.
On the Manning call, he even asked that ex-reference (whatever his name is) who works for one if the network now - to confirm his view.
I just knew it wasn't going to be our night.
The Pats don't need any help.
Jon Gruden can't see how Duane Brown was called for illegal formation; neither can I.
There's nobody else that lined up Improperly either.
I saw that and I just scratched my head; looks like we're in for a long night.
And Gruden couldn't believe the PI calls on Harris and Manning either.
On the Manning call, he even asked that ex-reference (whatever his name is) who works for one if the network now - to confirm his view.
I just knew it wasn't going to be our night.
The Pats don't need any help.
2012Champs
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Another note from the game I think we would be better off fair catching every punt and having no blockers. That's got to be good for 30-60 yards a game
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Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
Sticking with this.
When the offense is struggling to even get into FG range, the defense has to step up and make some plays. Fall on that fumble. Sack Brady. Disrupt something to change the momentum.
But we did not see even a single hint of that with the exception of Watt trying his best to get to Brady.
I told my wife after the second Patriots TD that they just looked like they were going to lose. They had this sort of deflated look to them, exasperation mixed with desperation, and from that point on I became emotionally detached while watching the game. I've seen it before with teams, and they were just getting beat and I did not believe for even a second that the Texans were going to mount any sort of threat to the Patriots.
That is what I was talking about with body language. You don't have to see it. I'm not trying to prove it. But I felt it while watching the game. They looked overwhelmed, like they expected something completely different than the game they were playing.
I get that, but nothing in this team's DNA has led me to believe that they can mount a comeback on a three score deficit to a championship caliber team led by an elite QB.
I'm not a rain cloud kind of guy. But I'm not going to pump sunshine for the sake of pumping sunshine. I try to be pragmatic about it, and at this point I see a great regular season team that still has a season or two to go before they can stand toe-to-toe with elite teams.
This is where my head is at.
They had three quarters and change to show what they're made of and they showed nuthin'...
Get the Eff off the field! Their a$$e$ might not start NEXT week.
rush2112mn
Rookie
I would have pulled them too.....I dont want any injuries that would have hurt our team. PULL THEM ALL I SAY...
You want somebody to come out injured after that?
No question.....no ifs and or buts. I dont care what anybody says......
Have we forgot about how injuries affect this team?
Its one game....Its not the season....some people need to chill....its not the end of the season.....
Smartest thing Kubiak could have done...I would have done it at halfitime....they way they were playing........
You want somebody to come out injured after that?
No question.....no ifs and or buts. I dont care what anybody says......
Have we forgot about how injuries affect this team?
Its one game....Its not the season....some people need to chill....its not the end of the season.....
Smartest thing Kubiak could have done...I would have done it at halfitime....they way they were playing........
drs23
Veteran
Yes he did and yeah, I guess he did.
Yeap, the NFL is not the BCS where you need style point.
A loss counts as a loss, no matter what the score is.
Get as many wins as you can to get as best of HFA as you can and get ready for the play-offs; that's all that matters.
When I see a team give up early, I always think of this quote by legendary heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey:
"A champion is someone who gets up, even when they can't".
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Let the starters remember the way they felt at the end of that game. Let them remember Brady's smirking face, the referees who helped the other team put poits on the board and every stinking comment made by some "authority" on ESPN about how the "Texans fold when playing 'real' oppoments." and they should use that anger to break the Patriots and anyone else they face in the playoffs in HALF when they get there.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Maybe its just in my DNA but I don't believe anything good comes from giving up, if you do how will you ever know what might of happened.
Ask the bills what happens when you don't give up ...
toronto
Hall of Fame
Without getting into every post, to me this captures the right feel for what I watched as a neutral fan on Monday.
Also will add every team needs a wakeup call. Be grateful yours came in the regular season.
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
Some games stick with you. I remember there were two weeks to go in the season and the Oilers were out of the game and I am SCREAMING at the TV for Pardee to pull the damn starters. Next thing I know I am looking at Moon's dislocated thumb from trying to score a meaningless touchdown on the last play of the game.
Good leaders know when to pull back and live to fight another day. Pride is overrated.
I have been meaning to look this up! I was wondering how many wins we had after the Packers game. Good job, man! Hope we have another 6 game winning streak in us.
Man, you've jogged my memory bank! I remember that now. Good points, though. Sometimes you've just got to retreat from a lost battle to fight another day.
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
What gives me hope is we played poorly almost all across the board. I would be more concerned if we got blown out with our team giving all out effort.