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Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
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LondonTex
Waterboy
Is that a question to me?
I cheer for the Texans because I'm from Houston. I haven't lived in Houston since 2002, although my family does. If the team left Houston, of course I'd quit cheering for them eventually. This isn't happening though, so its not really indicative of anything.[/quote]
I wasn't really an Oilers fan enough to feel betrayed by the NFL. Maybe thats the differenceHervoyel said:
Well, it was directed to the general membership but you are probably more qualified to answer it.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
I can see a team in Canada like Vancouver or Toronto...but London? The travel time would be ridiculous.
And contrary to some in here, I think it'd be great for the NFL to move into Canada.
And contrary to some in here, I think it'd be great for the NFL to move into Canada.
Straight up. As much passion as I have for the Texans, it never leaves my mind that it's a entertainment business, first and foremost. I never felt that with the Oilers. They were a part of the Houston landscape. Regardless of their choking history and buffoon of an owner, they were still "our" team. We all collectively loved that team, adored the players, and all shared in the few triumphs and overwhelming heartbreaks. That was our team...until, that is, we found out the hard way.
I do not think Bob McNair would ever do that to the Texans and Houston. But, he's going to pass away one day and someone else will own the team. I do not know who that will be, but I cannot assume that this new owner will have the same devotion to the city. In 20 years Reliant will be considered an old stadium, so the cycle continues. The next owner will want whatever state-of-the-art whistles and bells that will be available by then, and if Houstonian's don't/won't pay for it, then the FRANCHISE can be moved.
And that's what "our" team is at the end of the day. A FRANCHISE. An investment in an entertainment industry. And just like any other franchise, they can move and change names, colors, whatever. The NFL cares about fans...as long as we are paying customers. I get it. It's just business.
That's life with the NFL. Enjoy it while we've got it. No promises for tomorrow when that stadium lease expires.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
American football will never take in Europe because they don't play the game at the lower levels. I think that's one of the main reasons NFLE failed. That and the fact nobody over there wants to see a bunch of 4th string Americans play a sport they are unfamiliar with.
If you just have to expand internationally, Toronto would make much more sense since they have been playing their version of American football there for decades already. Not sure the Argonauts owner would agree though.
If you just have to expand internationally, Toronto would make much more sense since they have been playing their version of American football there for decades already. Not sure the Argonauts owner would agree though.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Yes is the short answer...and far more furvantly than America supports American Football, England - population 50 million, proffessional association football clubs, 115. USA - population is what? 360 million (unsure off the top of my head) and supports 32 proffessional American Football clubs.
I don't like the tone guys like Herv take towards us uk fans in threads like this, and don't get me wrong, I have plenty of respect for Herv as a poster, but you call your Super Bowl winner world champions, and not a single Brit on this board has posted in favour of a franchise, I also think from LT's post about the atmos, many other proper fans over here must be giving the IS a miss just like me, I ain't handing over a ton to watch the Pats have the Rams beat by the end of the first half, hence why I haven't bothered going the last few years now.
That doesn't mean you won't get a sell out from less informed fans because we're crazy for sport over here and being drip fed it in meagre quantities will keep that curiosity element coming. They hype it well and of course there is a huge corporate element too.
Time to get off the high horse. You don't like expansion and your a Texans fan? Jesus.
TdotTexas2Step
Rookie
I'm sorry you feel that way, but there's a fair chance it may happen one day, and hopefully you don't get too worked up about it.
You need to look at it differently. The number of season tickets sold to people from Toronto area rose almost 50 per cent in 2010, and as a result, the Bills sold 55,000 season tickets, their 3rd highest total in the franchise's history. If anything, they've helped keep the Bills in Buffalo.
Regardless, I get where you're coming from. It just rubs me the wrong way when you don't consider anyone outside of the US as "an NFL fan". We are cheering for the same team right?
Lastly, I guess we just view pride differently. You're proud of the NFL and don't feel any entitlement to share it. While I'm proud of it and would jump at any chance to convert a ton of people I know here into an NFL fan of their own team. The sport is that awesome and people shouldn't live without it.
To each their own I guess.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Personally, I love London, I love Brits, I love British humor, and I love everything about England. I consider the Brits to be our brothers and sisters. I just am not sure if the logistics for an expansion team would work in Europe.
Toronto and Mexico City would be more feasable; but, then again, I like Canadians, and I've had a blast every time I've gone to Mexico, too. lol. Guess I just see interesting cultures and people everywhere I travel.
LondonTex
Waterboy
I didn't get a chance to answer this last night but Welsh Texan has done a fine job articulating some things I hadn't thought of and echoing other thoughts of mine.
By 'those people' I assume you mean anyone that is not American... Well..Yes, we watch and love football (of the round ball variety) and it is our national sport. I loved it long before American football. Most UK NFL fans that I've come into contact with support a team passionately and have done so for longer than they have their NFL team... And yet, for many (not all) NFL football has overtaken 'soccer' as our favourite sport - myself included - and guess what? If you lay the 'Brits don't understand our game' stereotype aside, you'll find I'm capable of being able to understand the game just fine ...I can even have a conversation about it - and I've made it my business to learn it as I love the game so much - many of the proper UK and other European fans, whilst living and/or originating outside of the USA, are equally as knowledgeable as the US fans and in some cases more knowledgeable than some US fans - we have to work hard to learn this wonderful game and although information and games are far more accessible to us now than they were in the 80s it is still a dribs and drabs kind of thing, which is fine as we only have a subculture of fans here, which again, is fine. NFL gamepass helps a lot as the WWW - That's why I don't expect or want a new or expansion franchise here - however, alluding to WT re: the tone of some posters, he's right! Although I suspect they talk more unfavourably towards the UK franchise idea as a whole and not UK peeps in general (I would hope not)- we all root for the same team lest we forget - many UK fans have rooted for the Texans since the start.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I don't think the logistics work out for a team in London. Think about travel for the west coast teams to London or vice versa. Mexico City would make a lot of sense if they were going to an international location.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Let me be perfectly clear. You can get your fan on to whatever degree you wish and I'm fine with that. I'm happy for you. I'm glad you find NFL football enjoyable and that you get to watch it on TV. I think the NFL should be making efforts to broadcast their games anywhere there is sufficient fan interest to justify the effort.
Having said that and keeping in mind that I don't begrudge you one iota of your "fanliness" I will now go on to address each of your other points.
Super Bowl winners being World Champions: Fine by me. Start a league somewhere else, crown a champion and lets play for the title if you want but until someone else starts playing the sport enough to want to object to that whole "World Champions" thing I think it's entirely suitable to call them that.
Every UK poster has (I think) said that they were not in favor of a team in the UK. That's not really much of an issue to me. My beef is with the NFL itself and how dead-set it appears to be to do this. Believe me when I say that you could all be marching in the streets demanding a franchise and if the NFL didn't want to do it then you wouldn't get it. Likewise every American NFL fan could loudly object to a team overseas and if the league thinks they're gonna make money doing it that's happening. They could care less what we think as long as we keep throwing money at them. When I go off on one of these rants I'm mad at the league, not the fans..... anywhere. At the same time I'm going to be fairly straightforward in stating how I feel about it. It's something I am passionate about. With local governments held hostage regularly for stadiums, stadium upgrades, and other issues I'd be more than happy to see Congress look at some kind of legal way of holding teams where they are or cutting them all off from the public teet entirely. We pay for stadiums, training facilities, and all kinds of improvements and the teams reap the financial rewards while we pay off the bonds.
I'm a fan of an expansion team because my team was stolen from my city by a fat worthless piece of dung named Bud Adams. If I had my way the Colts would be in Baltimore, The Rams would be in Los Angelas, The Titans would still be the Oilers and playing in Houston. The Cardinals would be in St. Louis where they belong and Carolina and Jacksonville wouldn't even exist. Cleveland wouldn't have needed an expansion team because Art Modell would have never been allowed to move them. The Ravens would have never been born. 28 teams was the perfect size for the NFL and everything since then has been a mistake, or an attempt to rectify a mistake in my opinion.
LondonTex
Waterboy
Exactly - I said this in various posts and stick by it - at least a team in Mexico could potentially have a decent geo rivalry with the Texans and cowgirls, Arizona and Cali
The Sports Animal radio station in Tampa is speculating that the Jags are posturing to move over there. They talked about how much Sahid Kahn has been talking about how much he loves London of late and that he just committed to playing the next 4 seasons over there to build a fanbase.
He also grew up overseas in Pakistan and there is a huge Pakistani community in London which could play into this.
As a Texans fan I would hate to see them go because I only live 2 hours south of there and it's an easy road trip. However I don't see any real support for them outside of the immediate Jacksonville area. In the Orlando area the Dolphins are by far the more popular AFC team.
He also grew up overseas in Pakistan and there is a huge Pakistani community in London which could play into this.
As a Texans fan I would hate to see them go because I only live 2 hours south of there and it's an easy road trip. However I don't see any real support for them outside of the immediate Jacksonville area. In the Orlando area the Dolphins are by far the more popular AFC team.
So, our division rival might move overseas, which would make it harder on them to win games for a variety of reasons.
yesssssss...
yesssssss...
TheIronDuke
All Pro
So, our division rival might move overseas, which would make it harder on them to win games for a variety of reasons.
yesssssss...
Harder than having Elaine taking snaps at QB?
houstonspartan
All Pro
Again: Wouldn't that essentially eliminate the bye week? An 8-hour-flight - one way - then two or three days to get over jet lag, then practice, then an 8-hour-flight home, then re-adjusting back to your home time zone for a few days, THEN getting ready for yet another game?
I just don't see London happening, people.
LondonTex
Waterboy
I take nothing he says says seriously - especially when he spouts crap like this
"The NFL is going to be developing an international fan base. Why shouldn't it be the Jaguars?" Khan said in December. "In all honesty, internationally, they don't know the difference between the Jaguars and the Steelers."
Seriously ? He obviously knows nothing about the UK fans - guys a clown!
"The NFL is going to be developing an international fan base. Why shouldn't it be the Jaguars?" Khan said in December. "In all honesty, internationally, they don't know the difference between the Jaguars and the Steelers."
Seriously ? He obviously knows nothing about the UK fans - guys a clown!
Luv_ya_blue
Truth, Love, Faith & Obedience - Christianity 101
Must Spread FLIPPIN' Reputation before giving to Herv again!!!
SOMEBODY PLEASE REP THIS MAN FOR ME!
This is exactly how I feel.
You put it much more eloguently than I could've Herv.
LondonTex
Waterboy
So, our division rival might move overseas, which would make it harder on them to win games for a variety of reasons.
yesssssss...
Don't get too happy - Like I said before - wouldn't this mean Texans trips to London at least once a season? :kubepalm:
I don't know how the Brit fans here look at it, however I look at watching foreign sports like having ethnic food. I enjoy experiencing other cultures. Since my wife is from Spain and I spend a lot of time over there I have learned the language, learned to appreciate their food and culture which includes watching La Liga.
La Liga is a Spanish thing. When I watch it I only want to watch it in Spanish (not Mexican Spanish either).
IF La Liga decided one day to put a team in the US it would be a real turn off. It would take away the whole Spanish "vibe" it has.
I don't want macaroni and cheese served with my paella and I dang sure don't want my La Liga played in the US or anywhere else outside of Spain.
I am sure most US fans that follow the EPL feel the same way. EPL is English. I had a few friends in Austin that would get up early and head to Fado's an Irish Pub (closest thing to an English pub in Austin) to watch the EPL each week. I went with them a few times and I felt like I was taking in English culture. Put an EPL team in New York and it takes away from that.
To me it's like the NFL is wanting to take the "American" out of American Football.
La Liga is a Spanish thing. When I watch it I only want to watch it in Spanish (not Mexican Spanish either).
IF La Liga decided one day to put a team in the US it would be a real turn off. It would take away the whole Spanish "vibe" it has.
I don't want macaroni and cheese served with my paella and I dang sure don't want my La Liga played in the US or anywhere else outside of Spain.
I am sure most US fans that follow the EPL feel the same way. EPL is English. I had a few friends in Austin that would get up early and head to Fado's an Irish Pub (closest thing to an English pub in Austin) to watch the EPL each week. I went with them a few times and I felt like I was taking in English culture. Put an EPL team in New York and it takes away from that.
To me it's like the NFL is wanting to take the "American" out of American Football.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
So essentially that's saying the international travel is so grueling and such a hardship that the teams going to the UK need a bye week to prepare for it, yet the team coming the other direction will have to do the exact same thing a minimum of six times without the bye week to get ready (Seven if the opening game of the season is a home game for them).
yeah, but 12:00 noon in Houston is 5:00 p.m. in London. It would basically be like a night game for the Texans.
But for London Jaguars players, road games to the U.S. would be a whole different story.
GP
Go Texans!
It's like a traveling circus...you go to see some funky circus acts and then the tents fold up and the circus moves on to another town.
That's what NFL is to Europe: A sideshow that comes to them a few times a year, something "different" to do for a change of pace. Novelty.
Now, for guys like LondonTex and others here like him...it's not a novelty act. It's something they love deeply and are heavily invested in watching and growing alongside. But LondonTex says he knows the UK fan base for NFL is not as vibrant or long-suffering as the handful of games' attendance numbers might show (hope I am not destroying what LondonTex meant to say, just re-wording a bit for illustrative purposes here).
To that extent, the NFL needs to give up. But they won't. For some reason or another, maybe they have analysts and marketing gurus who say so, they tend to think there's diamonds to be mined overseas. Basketball is by far an easier globalized American pro sport because of various reasons...and I think the NFL is getting caught up in a classic case of "Keeping up with the Joneses."
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Not in favor of London expansion, but I don't see why you have to get over the jet lag and time difference. Every London game will have to be a noon CST game. So, just stay on that schedule. Prepare at home. Fly into London one day early, sleep when your home time zone tells you to sleep, play your game, and get out.
And that's just another reason why it is a bad idea to have an NFL team in London.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Listen, I'm in danger of bashing this point across for the Nth time here but they don't adjust to local time when they play here, they play the game at the same damn time they play in the US, they practice the same time as they would in the US and the actual players don't spend more than a couple of days on British soil...at most.
Worried about flight times? Buy and run a Concorde and you've just solved the problem. Worried about time-zones and jet lag? You're struggling with reading comprehension.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I know what you're getting at but dude, the whole ethnic food comparison doesn't work in the slightest. Our national dish is curry!
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
This morning's papers are reporting that the NFL are in talks to take over the 2012 Olympic stadium, I'll edit with a link if/when I find one as it was just shown as a headline on BBC Breakfast and won't be back on for an hour. Here we go, must admit I'm posting this without having read the story in full so unsure of the the actual bones of the situation...
The Telegraph
Well Boris Johnson reckons that London gains £44 million per game so you can see why he's all for it. Anyone else beginning to get a horrible feeling that this may actually be happenning? Seems like all the money men think its a great idea.
Plenty more in the article btw, including the list of other possible tennants, all of whom I think would fail pretty spectacularly, its proven that you can't play Association Football with a running track around the pitch and expect to draw crowds long term...F1 is proposing a once a year event and Bernie Ecclestone will break the city before he signs a favourable agreement with them, just look at the NY/NJ race, the Donnington debacle, the Turkish calamity etc.... all have their different reasons why they've failed but all we cases when Ecclestone wasn't willing to give up enough in negotiations to make it work for the venue. (A big part of the possible deal is that the legacy commitee get 2 or 3 tenants in the stadium instead of one).
Of course West Ham still desperately want the site even though it'd be a disaster, while Leyton Orient's bid is a protest vote at the idea of allowing their bigger local rival's to get an even bigger advantage over them (you've probably never heard of Leyton Orient because they are a lower league club)
The Telegraph
Well Boris Johnson reckons that London gains £44 million per game so you can see why he's all for it. Anyone else beginning to get a horrible feeling that this may actually be happenning? Seems like all the money men think its a great idea.
Plenty more in the article btw, including the list of other possible tennants, all of whom I think would fail pretty spectacularly, its proven that you can't play Association Football with a running track around the pitch and expect to draw crowds long term...F1 is proposing a once a year event and Bernie Ecclestone will break the city before he signs a favourable agreement with them, just look at the NY/NJ race, the Donnington debacle, the Turkish calamity etc.... all have their different reasons why they've failed but all we cases when Ecclestone wasn't willing to give up enough in negotiations to make it work for the venue. (A big part of the possible deal is that the legacy commitee get 2 or 3 tenants in the stadium instead of one).
Of course West Ham still desperately want the site even though it'd be a disaster, while Leyton Orient's bid is a protest vote at the idea of allowing their bigger local rival's to get an even bigger advantage over them (you've probably never heard of Leyton Orient because they are a lower league club)
I think a London expansion team is a ways off. However, I would not be surprised to see a Super Bowl exported to another country within the next two decades.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Ok, I've tried to remain respectful, because, as I said, I love Brits. But your response is the most ridiculous thing I have read.
Play the same time they'd play in the US? Hmm. Ok. So, games in the US start at Noon, Central time, so they'd start at, what, 5 or 6, London time? Ok. So, when, exactly, would they arrive in London? The night before, after flying all night? When would they have time to practice? What about people who don't sleep well on airplanes? When would these guys have time to rest?
Jump on a plane and come back to the United States right after the game? Hmm. Ever notice how most flights from the United States to Europe are at night, but most flights from Europe to the United States are in the early morning? There's a reason for that. When flying TO Europe, leaving at night allows people to connect from other cities. The opposite is true from flying FROM Europe: if you leave London at 8 pm, commercial jets are arriving in the middle of the night, which totally screws up the hub system for people connecting to other flights.
Buy and run a Concorde? Really? Yes, let's buy a supersonic jet that was put out of service several years ago because of safety and cost issues. It'll only cost several MILLION dollars per flight. And: Concordes are too freaking small anyway. They don't hold that many people.
Speaking of flights...the only jets that hold enough fuel to make a cross-Atlantic trip are jumbo jets: 777, 767, A380, and a couple of others. That's it. Do you guys have any idea how much it would cost owners to charter and fly such a large jet over to London?
And all of the people hollering about "get in, get out" of London haven't traveled much. There is no simple, easy, solution for jet lag. It can't be helped. There's nothing we can't do about it. You can't just "prepare at home", fly into London, and fly right back out without the human body and brain having to adjust. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. And, yes, flying rapidly through time zones IS an issue.
I love London. But an NFL team there is not logistically possible.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
According to Ask.com ...
Typical fueling considerations in a 747-200 or 300 allow for 2200 pounds of fuel to be used for taxi to take off. A fully loaded aircraft will use 33,000 pounds during take off and climb to cruising altitude. During the first half of the flight, the aircraft will consume an average of 28,000 pounds of fuel per hour. The aircraft lightens as it burns fuel and at the end of the trip, the fuel consumption drops to about 21,000 pounds per hour. Descending and landing consume the least fuel, around 6000 pounds. The jet carries 52000 gallons.
Read more: How Much Fuel Does a 747 Jet Burn? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6171011_much-fuel-747-jet-burn_.html#ixzz2AtWARKBH
At a cost of about 3.24/gal
http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/economics/fuel_monitor/Pages/index.aspx
Rounding up it is 4900 miles from Houston to London which is roughly a 10 hour flight. Where as a flight from New York to Seattle is 5 hours and just a bit longer from NY to SF.
You can calculate the fuel consumption and coat since
Oh and one last thing, since you love to assume .......
NOT EVERYONE SUFFERS JETLAG!!
By the way acting all high and mighty is not going to help you make your point just make folks ignore anything and everything you say.
houstonspartan
All Pro
How am I acting high and mighty? I'm simply responding to messages where people say "rent a Concorde" and imply that flying overseas isn't that big of a deal. I am also speaking of my own, specific travel experiences, and the experiences of people that I know that travel.
No, not every one suffers from jet lag; however, quite a few people do. Flying, in general, wears a person down, whether they sleep on the plane or not. As I said, "there is no, simple, easy solution to jet lag."
Also, you can take a 737 from NY to SF or Seattle. You can't take a 737 across the pond.
LondonTex
Waterboy
Yeah I agree with you for the most part. As for 'vibrant' , the fanbase is certainly vibrant within the UK NFL subculture (which let's be honest, is what it is - a niche sport in a country dominated by other sports) - it is thriving and growing in the UK and to me that's a good thing. However, I by no means believe the fanbase will be as vibrant or numerically feasible to EVER be able to sustain a franchise of our own, nor do I want it to.
However, I would say this - for the thousands of NFL fans (of all different teams) who come to watch the IS game each year, it is more than a just a sideshow but for many it is the pinnacle of a years worth of anticipation. They look forward to it for the entire year and can't wait for the next one as it gives them the chance to see live NFL, no matter who is playing. For the many non-NFL fans who are curious, yes, I'd agree - to them it would be nothing other than a sideshow.
Whilst I would prefer the games to be off-season games I can understand their excitement as I've felt it myself. I'm more sympathetic nowdays though as the thought of fans losing a home game is not right.
There has already been a slight paradigm shift in my own thinking regarding this. I started off by thinking 'yeah, it'd be great for the Texans to come over someday for a regular season game, but ONLY as the road team' ....then I started to think 'actually, no, I don't really want them volunteering even for that' ...now I'm starting to feel that the only type of game that we should have over here is a pre-season game or exhibition game of some other kind. I don't think its fair to the fans of the teams and as much as 'those up high' say it's good for the game, I just believe it's about money money money. The game is an American game, and should remain that way. I certainly wouldn't want my Soccer team giving up regular season games (whether home or away) to go play in the states. Pre season or exhibition games, fine, but not regular season. So - thats where I'm currently at. I'll still go watch the IS games when they come over next year and for the coming years as I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and turn down the chance to see live NFL when it's already been decided - but if there was a chance to vote for or against the continuing of the IS game after the next 4 year contract finishes, I'd vote against. I'd certainly vote no to a UK franchise. I get your guys points on here and understand how many of you feel having lost the Oilers - I'm with you on this - like I said before though - I'm not concerned as I don't ever see it happening.
LondonTex
Waterboy
One more thing guys - lets not fall out or let this discussion become too testy ...we're all Texans fans, (most of you for way longer than me - I'm still a babe when it comes to the Texans) ...yes, many of you are passionate on these issues but I think we all agree we don't want a UK franchise. It's a dumb idea.
vvv 
vvv
GP
Go Texans!
One more thing guys - lets not fall out or let this discussion become too testy ...we're all Texans fans, (most of you for way longer than me - I'm still a babe when it comes to the Texans) ...yes, many of you are passionate on these issues but I think we all agree we don't want a UK franchise. It's a dumb idea.
Yes. Agree.
You've been a great contributor here already, mate. Keep up the good work.
mattieuk
All Pro
I've posted this in the 'Soccer Forum' already...however, just to add new spice to the debate, Shahid Khan (the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars) has bought English Premier League soccer team Fulham FC.
Interestingly, this could be seen as an attempt from an NFL owner getting a foot into the London sporting market - especially as the owner is from a team often speculated as a potential relocation team.
Interestingly, this could be seen as an attempt from an NFL owner getting a foot into the London sporting market - especially as the owner is from a team often speculated as a potential relocation team.
If it happens I think the Jags have the strongest possibility, however there are already NFL owners that own teams in the EPL. The Glaziers own Manchester United. There might be more.
Also, it doesn't appear as if Khan is preparing to move any time soon going off of that crazy billion (ok, not a billion but you get the point) dollar video screen he is putting into that stadium.
mattieuk
All Pro
Oh yeah - fully appreciate that - just thought it was strongly coindicental that the owner of a franchise that has been rumour to be the front runner for transatlantic relocation has the owner buy a different sports team in the supposed new market.
Didn't know about a big screen going in there - don't really see the point - don't all the 350 fans per game that show up get front row seats anyway?
drs23
Veteran
For once a subject I can be of use for you all 
As some of you may know I am from the UK Sheffield.
I think it will be a big mistake to have a London Team.
What you have to understand is the UK fans are very loyal to the team they picked when watching the NFL.
At the moment we use this game as a sort of "fans expo" we all meet up with other NFL fans.
To have a specific London team you will be asking people to ditch their loyalty and start again.
The only fans would be new ones to the game who have not chosen a team yet.
What might work is a European team. That plays home games once in each country. So the fans can then still use it as an expo meet.
Don't underestimate a Brits loyalty to their team. Once chosen there is no going back.
Just like me with the Oilers when they moved. My loyalty is with Houston. Sorry but you're stuck with me and you wont catch me ever supporting a London based team.
More chance of you all going to support Dallas
As some of you may know I am from the UK Sheffield.
I think it will be a big mistake to have a London Team.
What you have to understand is the UK fans are very loyal to the team they picked when watching the NFL.
At the moment we use this game as a sort of "fans expo" we all meet up with other NFL fans.
To have a specific London team you will be asking people to ditch their loyalty and start again.
The only fans would be new ones to the game who have not chosen a team yet.
What might work is a European team. That plays home games once in each country. So the fans can then still use it as an expo meet.
Don't underestimate a Brits loyalty to their team. Once chosen there is no going back.
Just like me with the Oilers when they moved. My loyalty is with Houston. Sorry but you're stuck with me and you wont catch me ever supporting a London based team.
More chance of you all going to support Dallas
OzzO
.. and then?
TEXANRED
Texan-American
So who will take the Jags place in the AFC South?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Miami Dolphins. Moves the London Jaguars (total ****ing BS move) to the AFC East and closer to their divisional opponents. Gets the Dolphins into the AFC South where they probably belong anyway.
I doubt their fans even give a damn about division rivalries at this point. they probably just will be grateful to get away from being ass-pounded by the Patriots twice a year.