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Connor Barwin?

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awc713

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What are your thoughts on the guy?

Seemed to disappear in the playoffs against Cinci, don't remember him being much of a factor agianst Baltimore.

Didn't look that great yesterday either. Reason for worry? Is he over-rated? 4 of his sacks did come in one game agaisnt Gabbert...

thoughts?
 
Wouldn't say he is overrated,sometimes you just don't factor into games I'm sure he will be fine and put up numbers 15 regular season games left.
 
I think that it's only a matter of time when Whitney Mercilus replaces him. I think he and Reed are both strong side guys.
 
I'm not a huge fan of any of the edge rushers we have really. I like barwin, but I'm with vinny. I think he'd look better playing with a true weakside pass rusher. I'm not convinced merciless is that guy, but he looks more explosive coming off the edge than anyone else I've seen besides watt.

I liked the look I saw yesterday with watt at end and smith at dt when they were rushing the passer.
 
Rey said:
I'm not a huge fan of any of the edge rushers we have really. I like barwin, but I'm with vinny. I think he'd look better playing with a true weakside pass rusher. I'm not convinced merciless is that guy, but he looks more explosive coming off the edge than anyone else I've seen besides watt.

I liked the look I saw yesterday with watt at end and smith at dt when they were rushing the passer.
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I think their best look is when Watt is playing the 3 Technique and Barwin at the 5.
 
Depends on how they gameplan our defense. Connor is a stud -- I think I'd point my offense toward Reed/Mercilus if choosing my poisin.
 
Bleed_Blu_Red said:
Ya he is 270,before he was 255 or 260 a lot of people say that's why he isn't the same he lost quickness and acceleration. it's just one game to me.
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He bulked up and then worried that the weight might make him lose a step. I've watched him very closely and he looks to me like he has.
 
More than a good chance that Barwin won't be a Texan. We drafted Mercilus for a reason. Not because Connor isn't a good player, but because of simple financial sense....

BTW, It's a good thing whenever you have to part with good players, especially well liked players... You know what that means?? It means you're probably a pretty good football team.

That said, I hope the Texans can somehow get really..... REALLY creative and get him re-signed!!
 
Texan_Bill said:
More than a good chance that Barwin won't be a Texan. We drafted Mercilus for a reason. Not because Connor isn't a good player, but because of simple financial sense....

BTW, It's a good thing whenever you have to part with good players, especially well liked players... You know what that means?? It means you're probably a pretty good football team.

That said, I hope the Texans can somehow get really..... REALLY creative and get him re-signed!!
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I think Barwin gets franchised if they cant work something out ....:shades:
 
wolf123 said:
He bulked up and then worried that the weight might make him lose a step. I've watched him very closely and he looks to me like he has.
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He didn't say bulking up would slow him down. I said a lot of people blamed his weight gain for the reason he hasn't been effective so far. I can't say anything about it I haven't really watched him I think he will be fine but we will see.
 
Ryan said:
He played one of the best LTs in the league, if not the best.
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Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I find it amazing how many people on here want to find fault with our own players. It's fine to bring up some concerns, but there are more negative threads on the front page than positive threads. What would it be like around here if we had lost?:toropalm:
 
I would like to see Barwin move inside with Cushing, replacing an aging Bradie James in terms of what I'd like to see long term -- for years to come. Then Whitney Mercilus can start at outside. Tell me why Barwin can't play ILB again? Why can't he take on the position if he dedicated himself to it?
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I would like to see Barwin move inside with Cushing, replacing an aging Bradie James in terms of what I'd like to see long term -- for years to come. Then Whitney Mercilus can start at outside. Tell me why Barwin can't play ILB again? Why can't he take on the position if he dedicated himself to it?
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If that's the case I would much rather put Brooks Reed at MLB and just have Merc and Barwin outside.
 
I love Barwin, and at this time he is NOT EXPENDABLE. If Mercilous picks it up and starts showing that he is a total beast, then that may be a possibility, but until we see that Barwin is a big time player here that is a NEED for this defense.
 
Texecutioner said:
I love Barwin, and at this time he is NOT EXPENDABLE. If Mercilous picks it up and starts showing that he is a total beast, then that may be a possibility, but until we see that Barwin is a big time player here that is a NEED for this defense.
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Agreed its to early to judge Barwin off one game when last year he showed what he can do.
 
Bleed_Blu_Red said:
Agreed its to early to judge Barwin off one game when last year he showed what he can do.
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I can't even believe that people are thinking this right now. I love these pass rushers on our team. With this type of pass rush, we'll be a competitive team for a long time. We won't need an elite offense. This is a nasty defense that we have been begging for all these years. Barwin is a huge part of that. He has earned his stripes and I love that guy on this team. I hope we resign him. :toropalm:
 
3rd Youngest defense in the League. Agreed cant ever have too many Pass Rushers especially the group we have so let's hope we get the deal done for Barwin.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I would like to see Barwin move inside with Cushing, replacing an aging Bradie James in terms of what I'd like to see long term -- for years to come. Then Whitney Mercilus can start at outside. Tell me why Barwin can't play ILB again? Why can't he take on the position if he dedicated himself to it?
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Barwin's the best pure pass rusher on this team .... If you want to move someone inside , its Reed ..... making room for Mercilus outside.


I just cant see Barwin trying to chase backs and TE's in coverage ..... Reed on the other hand ....


That doesnt solve the contract of Barwin tho .... I think they work out a longterm deal or franchise him now that Schaub and Brown are done deals.
 
The reason Wade drafted Mercilus is to keep a fresh rotation of strong pass rushers. That's how the Giants have beaten one of the best QB's in history in two Superbowls. That said, Barwin's value will soar in the offseason, and he won't be a Texan next year. And good for him on his future wealth, which was jeopardized after his ankle injury in 2010.

But for that reason, we're probably taking another OLB in the 1st or 2nd round next year.
 
Bleed_Blu_Red said:
He didn't say bulking up would slow him down. I said a lot of people blamed his weight gain for the reason he hasn't been effective so far. I can't say anything about it I haven't really watched him I think he will be fine but we will see.
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Barwin said in a interview that he was concerned that the added weight might reduce his explosiveness. Since that interview I've been watching him closely and it does look like it has affected him. He should be at 255-260 IMO.:gamer:
 
wolf123 said:
Barwin said in a interview that he was concerned that the added weight might reduce his explosiveness. Since that interview I've been watching him closely and it does look like it has affected him. He should be at 255-260 IMO.:gamer:
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Ok my bad do you have the video or a link?
 
Brisco_County said:
The reason Wade drafted Mercilus is to keep a fresh rotation of strong pass rushers. That's how the Giants have beaten one of the best QB's in history in two Superbowls. That said, Barwin's value will soar in the offseason, and he won't be a Texan next year. And good for him on his future wealth, which was jeopardized after his ankle injury in 2010.

But for that reason, we're probably taking another OLB in the 1st or 2nd round next year.
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If they didnt have the franchise tag option ..... I'd tend to agree with you here that he would be gone. But we're talking about an OLB rather than a DE so his tagnumber will be kept down because of that .... enabling the Texans to either negotiate a long term deal (Barwin understands the importance because of the prior injury) or tag him for a one year deal.

My money is on them coming to amutual agreement.
 
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/olb-143012-capsules-south.html

Wade Phillips says it himself the weight hasn't affected him and he is just as athletic as before.


"He's going to run people down from behind, he's got to just keep doing what he's doing," Phillips said of Barwin. "He worked hard this offseason. He's fast, he's athletic."

"He went in, did such a great job last year, against really good people," defensive coordinator Wade Phillips said. "He was always playing against the left tackle in passing situations, most of the time. The sky's the limit for him. He's about 270 pounds and he's a really good athlete."
 
Corrosion said:
If they didnt have the franchise tag option ..... I'd tend to agree with you here that he would be gone. But we're talking about an OLB rather than a DE so his tagnumber will be kept down because of that .... enabling the Texans to either negotiate a long term deal (Barwin understands the importance because of the prior injury) or tag him for a one year deal.

My money is on them coming to amutual agreement.
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Rick Smith said he thought the franchise tag number for Barwin would be around $9MM.
 
painekiller said:
Rick Smith said he thought the franchise tag number for Barwin would be around $9MM.
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I was thinking around ~$8 when I made the post .... Sounds reasonable.


Will they pay that ?? .... There's the $8-9M question. Alldepends upon how Barwin performs this year.
 
Maybe after resigning Schaub & Brown it would be too difficult to restructure more contracts to extend Barwin? All this talk about franchising players, are franchise tags cap friendly? I don't think so.
 
beerlover said:
Maybe after resigning Schaub & Brown it would be too difficult to restructure more contracts to extend Barwin? All this talk about franchising players, are franchise tags cap friendly? I don't think so.
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In the case of an OLB ..... The franchise tag isnt so bad. Now if we are talking about a DE , that changes things.
 
Corrosion said:
In the case of an OLB ..... The franchise tag isnt so bad. Now if we are talking about a DE , that changes things.
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DE in a 4-3 or OLB in a 3-4 are interchangeable if they are elite. Question that needs to be asked, is Connor Barwin elite?

Jury is out. This is his chance to prove he is.
 
Brisco_County said:
The reason Wade drafted Mercilus is to keep a fresh rotation of strong pass rushers. .
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The reason we drafted Mercilus is because he's a pass rusher. Connor, not so much. A solid DE, SOLB maybe. But he's no "pass rusher"

Mario Williams was on his way to a 16+ sack season in Wade's system. Demarcus Ware was continuously at the top of the league, in Wade's system.

The WOLB position in Wade's system is like a RB in Kubiak's system, you've got to have the right guys there & Connor (though he's a damn good football player) is not that guy.

If Connor gets 15+ sacks this season, then I'm wrong & would love to see it. I just don't see it happening.

We need a solid rotation of pass rushers, no doubt. But Connor is not the main event. Merci might be.
 
Rey said:
That's strange, since some Miami fans are wondering if he's a bust...
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Well, he's gone to the Pro Bowl four times (in four years), and made All Pro for the 2010 season, so I'm wondering if some of the Miami fans aren't just a little bit unrealistic/biased in their evaluations. You can argue about whether he's one of the best in the game, but to argue that he is a bust is moronic.

That said, I thought at the time and I still think they should have taken Matt Ryan instead of Long.
 
beerlover said:
DE in a 4-3 or OLB in a 3-4 are interchangeable if they are elite. Question that needs to be asked, is Connor Barwin elite?

Jury is out. This is his chance to prove he is.
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True, but there's a bit of difference in the Tag numbers.

Here are the 2012 tag amounts:

Quarterback: $14.436 million
Running back: $7.742 million
Wide receiver: $9.515 million
Tight end: $5.446 million
Offensive line: $9.383 million
Defensive end: $10.605 million
Defensive tackle: $7.96 million
Linebacker: $8.856 million
Cornerback: $10.281 million
Safety: $6.212 million
Kicker/Punter: $2.654 million
 
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