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Training Camp Live: AJ left practice
- Thread starter Hagar
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Playoffs
Hall of Fame
No.
Andre is a Texan for life. I don't care about what others do now. Texans remain loyal to their best evers.
The Medic01
Waterboy
He hasn't been playing for 6 months. Not worried really just a slight groin tweak.
GP
Go Texans!
I love the people who are "not worried." And the ones who say he won't miss time this year??? Riiiiight.
It's going to be an ongoing problem.
And people don't have to be a super fan by trying to display loyalty to the point that this issue with AJ's legs gets marginalized. It's going. To be. A problem.
McNair will have AJ all the way to AJ's retirement. Logically, McNair must have the greatest Texans player (ever) to remain here as a lifer...as a standout that all of us can look up to and recall the good that the Texans did to draft him AND have him retire here.
Dude is beast. He isn't going anywhere and we're going to have to be content to get somewhere around 10 to 12 games out of him.
It's going to be an ongoing problem.
And people don't have to be a super fan by trying to display loyalty to the point that this issue with AJ's legs gets marginalized. It's going. To be. A problem.
McNair will have AJ all the way to AJ's retirement. Logically, McNair must have the greatest Texans player (ever) to remain here as a lifer...as a standout that all of us can look up to and recall the good that the Texans did to draft him AND have him retire here.
Dude is beast. He isn't going anywhere and we're going to have to be content to get somewhere around 10 to 12 games out of him.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Damaged goods. We just gotta deal with it. Man I hope the youngsters at wr grow up quick.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Dang forgot about that. Unless a trade for good wr can be made they'll have roll with all the young guys on the roster because I dont think Walter will contribute a whole lot.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
The injury might not be serious, but let's face it -- AJ is injury prone.
MannyFresh
El Capitan
No, sorry no. Rick Smith shows no loyalty at all but even him will not trade AJ, he is the heart and soul of this team.
AJ at 70% is 100% more productive than the rest of WRs that we have on the team so it doesnt make sense to trade your best player.
Take care of him and hope for the best regarding his health, we need him in more than one way. He is a real Texan and he should be for life.
I don't know if anyone is saying Johnson for sure won't miss time this season. How could they know? Just as you don't know for sure that "it's going to be an ongoing problem."
I don't know if it can be said that Andre is "injury prone". He's missed 22 games over 9 seasons (9 coming last season). But, it can be said he has injury concerns. Pulling a groin this early in camp is bound to create overreaction. TBD whether the real issues (knee, hamstring) rear their head.
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TexansBlood
The CUSH!
All those who think AJ health is not an issue is being NAIVE! Wake up ppl(and it hurts my soul to type this)
TexansBlood
The CUSH!
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Be prepared to be disappointed. AJ will not finish his career as a Texan if he continues to get hurt every season.
AJ makes a boat load of money and Rick Smith will not continue to pay a guy to stand around on the sideline being hurt.
GP
Go Texans!
It's one thing for a young guy like Foster to have groin and/or hammie problems (maybe some rust from being out due to lockout, etc.)
It's another thing to have it occur from years of wear and tear.
Whether its to be termed "injury prone" or "injury concern" is trivial. What's important is that he is sitting out after like 1 day of camp already.
So he rests and comes back...and maybe three days or four days after the return to camp he pulls up a little bit with a lower body problem. No sweat, just needs rest and he can play a possession or two in a preseason game, just go through the motions (as we do everything BUT target him in those possessions).
Then it'll be "Well, he made it through preseason. Let's sit him the last two games. Save him for when it counts."
(Stop me here if I've already pegged it).
And a game or two or three into Reg Season he pulls up gimpy (or God forbid blows something in his other leg due to what CND said about other parts compensating for the previously weakened body part).
We are inclined to believe the show will go on forever with our larger-than-life stars like AJ. I tend to cringe when I see him break a big gain...because I'm of the belief that he's reaching the end, against his will. And against our will, as well.
This is the only part I hate about following my Texans: The day that always comes when they can't go like they used to...and it hurts quadruple with Andre Johnson.
But hey, he could be fine. I damn sure hope so. But the patterns are not reassuring with how we know he likes to play the game vs. the setbacks he's had recently.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
I take it none of you have pulled your groin before. Heck I pulled mine today for like half an hour, felt great.
All kidding aside, a groin pull is at most a 4 day recovery. I've tweaked mine several times through football, MMA, and running. It's a quick recovery, no big deal. If this were a calf, hamstring, knee, etc, then I'd be worried. Lighten up guys. He'll be fine.
All kidding aside, a groin pull is at most a 4 day recovery. I've tweaked mine several times through football, MMA, and running. It's a quick recovery, no big deal. If this were a calf, hamstring, knee, etc, then I'd be worried. Lighten up guys. He'll be fine.
eriadoc
Texan-American
He's missed more games since Schaub has been here than Schaub has, yet people label Schaub injury prone all the time. And while Schaub's injuries have resulted from things like giant men running into and/or landing on him, AJ's injuries have resulted from running over those mischievous yard line markers. So I don't know what makes someone injury prone, but he's more injury prone than Schaub, as a point of reference.
I don't think anyone is particularly freaked out by this one injury. Its that a pattern is starting to emerge with AJ and his injuries. Something a friend mentioned to me earlier that I think may be correct is that Andre may want to slim down some. It may help avoid some of these pulls and strains from popping up.
Ladainian Tomlinson said that the older he got the less weight he wanted to carry. His body style was completely different when he retired than it was when he came into the league. Andre is big for a receiver. Losing about 10 pounds or so may take a little stress off of his body.
Now, how silly is that?
This "heart and soul of the team" stuff is only in the minds of the fans. Anyone who thinks Rick Smith thinks AJ "is a real Texan and should be here for life", must have been hibernating at the South Pole this past offseason.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
One of the better ideas. Have him lose weight before trading him away.
AJ's injuries in previous seasons were also the result of direct hits. I don't necessarily see Johnson's injuries as a sure sign of his body breaking down. My concerns about Johnson and Schaub revolves around their ability to bounce back from these injuries. We've seen Johnson return to the field and have 2 productive playoff games. I don't think he was 100%, but he was productive. Some fans seem to forget that.
When you go off into Never-Never Land, your posts become unreadable. The Kreskin act wears paper thin.
I could search on Foster's hammy and probably find you overreacting to that. In fact, I know I could. Sitting out a few training camp practices doesn't trump Johnson's playoff performances or signify the end of a career. Johnson could have a career ending injury this season. He could miss half the season. He could go for another 1500 yard season and be named to the Pro Bowl for the 6th time. There are no tea leaves out there to suggest an outcome with any certainty.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Over-reacting or now big deal, either way one thing is bound to be sure for everyone, all eyes will be on this young trio of WRs until AJ gets back on the practice field.
GP
Go Texans!
You need to read CnD's posts on this issue.
AJ will suffer compensating injuries such as groin, more hammie issues, knee issues, all because his hamstring is weakened from having a portion of it removed from the bone.
He explains it better, but there's no doubt that lower body issues will be a constant threat all year long. He'll never be out of the woods.
If we get at least 10 to 12 games out of him in 2012, I'll be happy.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
I greatly respect CND and appreciate his input on the issue, after tearing my MCL twice and having a bunch of other issues from years of grappling/fighting/other sports, I know how long groin injuries take to heal. If this were the regular season he would play next game. I'm not worried about it one iota.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
You're going to have to tell me all about your MMA experiences when we meet up for the game. Being a large man, I presume you're a ground attack kinda guy?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
To be fair, CnD did not say AJ "will" suffer compensatory injuries as GP puts out - he said there is a danger of compensatory injuries. And when he made the comment it was about hamstrings not groins although I would presume there is a danger with basically any injury to a leg to have a compensatory injury.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
I love it all. I trained under Ben Pryne and Lou Faralan up in the NW and when I moved down here trained with Sam Hogar with MFS until Miletich and Hogar split. So a healthy mix of traditional BJJ and catch wrestling with a lot of Muay Thai focus. Spent some time with the Washington state freestyle wrestling team, went up to Surrey BC, down to Seattle, all over. Even trained at the old team quest in Biersch Oregon a few times.
Got quite a few stories, we'll chat all about it at the game Mikey.
Nate
GP
Go Texans!
The point is not about this incident.
The point is that it'll always be something, consistently, so today it's the groin...several weeks later it's the knee...then a quad...etc.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Exactly. It's a tough reality for everyone to swallow, but it is what it is. AJ is aging and he's not in his prime anymore. I'm concerned that the FO hasn't already had someone on the roster to groom for the future # 1 spot. Everyone and their brother knew that Jacoby wasn't going to be that guy. He never had # 1 potential. The fact that AJ is our only option at this point is concerning, to say the least. Maybe one of the new kids will be able to step up, but it won't be this season. Hopefully AJ will be able to somehow remain in pretty good playing shape throughout the season. I just don't like the odds.
I think it has nothing to do with his current level of conditioning either. You have to look at him like a prized thoroughbred. They both get optimum nutrition and training. They both are only able to compete at that elite level for so long. We just have a hard time letting go of our human athletes because we relate to them on another level. I hope the guy the best and I'm hoping he proves me wrong, but I think it's about time to put him out to pasture.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Great point. I think overall Schaub isnt as big of a favorite as AJ and because of this people give AJ a pass while bagging on Schaub
ckhouston
Veteran
BS.
Complete over-reaction.
AJ is strong and fast and those types of athletes tend to see injuries more because they are working so hard at being strong and fast. If you never work the muscle it probably wont get strained. If you work the hell out of it you stand a better chance at having an issue.
He will be fine.
The Texans will be fine.
Super Bowl 2013!
ckhouston
Veteran
Maybe because AJ is the best receiver to ever play in this city, and Schaub isn't even a top three QB in this city.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Until I see AJ out there for all 19 games (regular season + playoffs) this season, I'll be worried about him.
There's a lot of "stepping up" that needs to happen in our WR corps this year even if AJ doesn't have any health issues. And I expect AJ to have health issues and miss at least a few games.
There's a lot of "stepping up" that needs to happen in our WR corps this year even if AJ doesn't have any health issues. And I expect AJ to have health issues and miss at least a few games.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
The Medic01
Waterboy
You gotta be careful about that. There's a whole thread on that and Chik-Fil-A in the NSZ, don't bring up "probing" over here, LOL.
LOL....nice catch
silvrhand
All Pro
Major difference in injuries I would say, the bulk of his injuries seem to be training/conditioning issue. What's going on did he pick up a new trainer or routine or does he need to adjust his routine now that he's a bit older/different injuries?
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
The difference in AJ going down on his own twice last year and again in training camp on his own are a lot different than having somone else break a bone in your foot and thus AJ should catch more crap for it but does because it is liked more overall. Im pretty sure this has a lot less to do with who is training AJ than it does with AJ getting older
I'll admit, that I over reacted a bit. & I know missing 22 games over a 9 year career (144 games; 15%) isn't a big deal. But we're talking about 12 of the last 34 (Counting play-offs, 35%) & he isn't getting any younger.
But this issue goes back several years, highlighted by last offseason. We were finally in a position to add some talent to the offense. No offense to KDub, but when Andre is out nobody (that I know of) is satisfied with KDub as the highest guy on our WR pecking order. That's a problem that has needed to change for a while. I know we tried with JJ.. good effort, just didn't work out & not working out is part of the game.
Now this has nothing to do with not being able to retain Mario Williams, I'm over that. But in my mind, that is the reason we weren't able to target a first round talent at WR. Maybe our FO didn't think there was a first round talent worth getting. The way the draft played out, I'm good with that. But then to trade out of the 2nd that's my biggest issue.
So we got Devier (sp) & KMart. Are they true second round talents? I don't know. But I'm thinking the chances of getting a true second round talent are greater, if you pick that guy in the first or the second round. Expecting Devier & Keshawn to outplay their draft status is really loading the cart on the wrong side. IMO.
We're all lucky that I'm not running this team, I'll say that much. I'd have already signed Roy Williams or Plaxico Burress. Heck, I would have sold the farm to get Ocho Cinco (or is it Chad Johnson??). Right now, I'd be desperate & talking to the player we love to hate... yep, that guy.
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But this issue goes back several years, highlighted by last offseason. We were finally in a position to add some talent to the offense. No offense to KDub, but when Andre is out nobody (that I know of) is satisfied with KDub as the highest guy on our WR pecking order. That's a problem that has needed to change for a while. I know we tried with JJ.. good effort, just didn't work out & not working out is part of the game.
Now this has nothing to do with not being able to retain Mario Williams, I'm over that. But in my mind, that is the reason we weren't able to target a first round talent at WR. Maybe our FO didn't think there was a first round talent worth getting. The way the draft played out, I'm good with that. But then to trade out of the 2nd that's my biggest issue.
So we got Devier (sp) & KMart. Are they true second round talents? I don't know. But I'm thinking the chances of getting a true second round talent are greater, if you pick that guy in the first or the second round. Expecting Devier & Keshawn to outplay their draft status is really loading the cart on the wrong side. IMO.
We're all lucky that I'm not running this team, I'll say that much. I'd have already signed Roy Williams or Plaxico Burress. Heck, I would have sold the farm to get Ocho Cinco (or is it Chad Johnson??). Right now, I'd be desperate & talking to the player we love to hate... yep, that guy.
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