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Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

Brisco_County said:
Smith has still not discussed an extension with Schaub.



Link.

I'm getting closer to believing that Smith wants proof that Schaub is back to 100% effectiveness before any offers are made.
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That's actually pretty much the opposite of what Pasquarelli was saying.

The full quote is as follows:
... Houston officials haven't commenced substantive discussions yet about an extension for quarterback Matt Schaub, who is entering the final season of his contract at a base salary of $7 million-plus, but likely will do so before the end of the summer. The Texans seem satisfied that Schaub is well recovered from last year's foot injury. ...
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It kind of changes the context if you add in the part they left out.
 
ChampionTexan said:
That's actually pretty much the opposite of what Pasquarelli was saying.

The full quote is as follows:

LINK
It kind of changes the context if you add in the part they left out.
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Good point. The end of summer could mean that the decision depends on what they see from him in preseason.
 
Brisco_County said:
Smith has still not discussed an extension with Schaub.



Link.

I'm getting closer to believing that Smith wants proof that Schaub is back to 100% effectiveness before any offers are made.
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Never heard of that website 'theredzone.org', but considering they have a story about Whitney Mercilus under the Browns section, I'm going to guess they aren't a top notch sports news site.
:rake:
 
Dutchrudder said:
Never heard of that website 'theredzone.org', but considering they have a story about Whitney Mercilus under the Browns section, I'm going to guess they aren't a top notch sports news site.
:rake:
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They're an aggregator, so I use them for convenience when I'm at work. They pissed me off when they stopped linking to Alan Burge in favor of only Chron.com, but I have yet to find an alternative that aggregates local media for every team.
 
Brisco_County said:
They're an aggregator, so I use them for convenience when I'm at work. They pissed me off when they stopped linking to Alan Burge in favor of only Chron.com, but I have yet to find an alternative that aggregates local media for every team.
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Try prosportsdaily.com
 
Brisco_County said:
Smith has still not discussed an extension with Schaub.



Link.

I'm getting closer to believing that Smith wants proof that Schaub is back to 100% effectiveness before any offers are made.
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I agree & hope Matt is okay with that. Seems to reason he would be; but can that be determined in TC?
 
Schaub’s future in Houston hinges on many factors
Posted by Mike Florio on July 6, 2012, 11:49 AM EDT
Matt Schaub AP

Maybe it’s a sign of the sssslow times right now in the NFL, but I’ve become fascinated lately with the quarterback situation in Houston. Starter Matt Schaub enters the final year of his six-season contract, but no talks on an extension have occurred. Schaub says that he sees himself sticking around for the long haul, as he tries to finish what he has started (but hopefully not in the Colt McCoy way).

It remains too early to know with any certainty how this one will play out, but that won’t stop me from speculating about it. (Does it ever?) After discussing the situation earlier this morning in Houston, via a weekly spot on In the Loop with Nick and Lopez (SportsRadio 610), I decided to sit down (then again, I already was sitting) and type up the various factors that will influence Schaub’s future.

1. How much money does he want?

In 2007, he received a second-to-third-tier contract upon being traded to the Texans. As he makes $7 million in the final season of a six-year deal that averaged $8 million per year, the biggest and most important question is whether he wants to be paid at a significantly higher rate going forward.

2. How much will the Texans pay?

G.M. Rick Smith seems to be implementing a meticulous plan when it comes to building and tweaking and reloading and maintaining his roster. Right now, the Texans boast a great defense, a great running game, a great offense line, and a top-heavy receiving corps.

Given those realities, Smith surely has a number in mind, driven by considerations like Schaub’s value on the open market, the other areas of need on the roster (left tackle Duane Brown will be a free agent in March, too), the “need” to have a highly-compensation quarterback, and the team’s other options at the position.

3. So, what other options do they have?

While the Texans may not enjoy the broad array of free-agent and/or trade options at quarterback that were available earlier this year, they possibly have an in-house ace in waiting. T.J. Yates performed admirably as a rookie fifth-rounder, and he gives the Texans a low-cost option at the position, especially since the CBA prevents his contract from being renegotiated until after the 2013 season.

4. Can Rick Smith continue to be dispassionate about his personnel decisions?

Smith seems to pride himself (as he should) on making decisions with the name on the back of the jersey removed. That approach could face its biggest test with Schaub.

Yes, Smith was able to part ways with guys like Mario Williams (who left via free agency), DeMeco Ryans (who was traded), and Eric Winston (who was cut). But more than ever it’s a quarterback-driven league. Would Smith be able to watch Schaub walk away?

5. Would the Texans use the franchise tag?

For the same reasons the Ravens likely wouldn’t tag Joe Flacco, the Texans likely wouldn’t sink more than $15 million in cap space into a quarterback who has yet to play at a $15 million-per-year level. Even if it’s done to retain “dibs” as negotiations continue, the one-year guaranteed salary becomes the launching pad for the long-term deal. Besides, with Duane Brown also due to be a free agent, the Texans could be more likely to use the tag on him, especially since the franchise tender for offensive linemen better correlates with Brown’s value.

6. How good do the Texans think Schaub is?

That’s perhaps the most important question, something to which we’ll never know the complete and truthful answer. When considering the league’s other quarterbacks — via a simple exercise of “which guy would you rather have?” – it’s hard to see Schaub even in the top half of the league.

Schaub easily loses the quarterback version of the card game “war” with, by our count, at least 16 starters. Here they are, in no particular order: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco (the postseason record was the difference), Tony Romo, Cam Newton, Mike Vick, Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler, and rookies Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin, III.

While there’s no reason to currently believe Schaub won’t be back with the Texans in 2013, there’s reason to believe it’s not as easy of a question as it may seem. In the end, Schaub may have to prove that he can do what Yates did in 2011: Take the team to the playoffs and win at least one postseason game.

We’ll be taking a closer look at the situation at the top of the hour on PFT Live with someone who knows a thing or two (or a million) about the Texans, John McClain of the Houston Chronicle.
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Notably absent from the "factoring" discussion is any comment Schaub's "health" / recent Lisfranc.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Schaub easily loses the quarterback version of the card game “war” with, by our count, at least 16 starters. Here they are, in no particular order: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco (the postseason record was the difference), Tony Romo, Cam Newton, Mike Vick, Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler, and rookies Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin, III.
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Yeah, he lost me with this. If healthy, I'm taking Schaub in the upcoming season over Luck, RG3, Vick, Flacco, and maybe Ryan (that's a wash to me). If you take age and "potential" into consideration, sure, some of those young guys would beat him out, but for now, I don't think so...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
2. How much will the Texans pay?

G.M. Rick Smith seems to be implementing a meticulous plan when it comes to building and tweaking and reloading and maintaining his roster. Right now, the Texans boast a great defense, a great running game, a great offense line, and a top-heavy receiving corps.
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Can we put a number on Schaub guys?

He averaged $8M/yr since 2007. Carson Palmer is making about $12M/yr. Eli Manning is making Eli Manning is making $16M/yr.

If Schaub told you right now, that he wants a new contract before the season started & he told you he wanted $12M/yr, what would you tell him?
 
thunderkyss said:
Can we put a number on Schaub guys?

He averaged $8M/yr since 2007. Carson Palmer is making about $12M/yr. Eli Manning is making Eli Manning is making $16M/yr.

If Schaub told you right now, that he wants a new contract before the season started & he told you he wanted $12M/yr, what would you tell him?
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That's likely a fair 'average' value for him. I'd tell him if he wants a signed contract then it's going to be incentive laden depending on # of games he plays this year, possibly next. He HAS to prove to me that his foot is healed and that he's not going to miss half a season in 2012. If he feels that good about it, great. If not.... then it's a wait and see approach for both parties.

We'll see if we could fit that under the cap this season or not. Duane Brown is the must sign of the offseason next year though, in my opinion.
 
I'd be fine with giving Schaub about 12 million a year but i would be uncomfortable giving him an extension for longer than 3 years, 4 years maximum.
 
McClain was interviewed by Mike Florio on PFT LIVE

When asked about what's happening with Schaub's contract, he replied:

They're (the Texans) are not going to give him an extension 'til he proves he can stay healthy, that he can, indeed bounce back from the Lisfranc surgery that he had...............this is his 6th year in the system and he has not finished 3 of those seasons...........I think it's a non issue (signing him to a contract) until the end of the season.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
McClain was interviewed by Mike Florio on PFT LIVE

When asked about what's happening with Schaub's contract, he replied:
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He may end up getting lucky and being correct about the timing but as far as I can tell McLain, other than being a walrus which apparently has a distinction related to the next comment, knows dick.
 
Correct me if im wrong but isnt Franchise Tagging a QB pretty expensive and painfull towards a cap hit?
 
Kubiak just signed his extension for three years so it should be for Matt. 33 million with 15 guarenteed could be in his neighborhood. Nice little bump without destroying teams cap space.
 
ATRAIN said:
Correct me if im wrong but isnt Franchise Tagging a QB pretty expensive and painfull towards a cap hit?
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Very much so. Brees franchise tag this season was over $16 million.

beerlover said:
Kubiak just signed his extension for three years so it should be for Matt. 33 million with 15 guarenteed could be in his neighborhood. Nice little bump without destroying teams cap space.
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Apples and oranges. There are no questions entering the season in regards to Kubiak's mobility and ability to stay healthy. Also, Kubiak could be fired with no repercussion to the salary cap. I would like to see Schaub on the field in 2012 before extending him with a gob of guaranteed money.
 
thunderkyss said:
If Schaub told you right now, that he wants a new contract before the season started & he told you he wanted $12M/yr, what would you tell him?
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My response, what I would do if he asked for that prior to playing 2012???

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Just replace the luggage on the carousel with his $12 million contract request.
 
If I was Schaub's agent & believed him healthy as stated, I would ask him to play 2012 and then test FA. Another 4,000 yard season could bring him a 5 year deal $65- $70m deal.
 
badboy said:
If I was Schaub's agent & believed him healthy as stated, I would ask him to play 2012 and then test FA. Another 4,000 yard season could bring him a 5 year deal $65- $70m deal.
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Even if he does have a good season, I don't see him getting more than $10M a year. If he's going to get a 5yr $70M deal, he's going have to get 30> TDs and 4500> yards IMO.

Doubt he'll test the FA tho. He'll probably get around $10M a year to save some cap space, maybe less.
 
badboy said:
If I was Schaub's agent & believed him healthy as stated, I would ask him to play 2012 and then test FA. Another 4,000 yard season could bring him a 5 year deal $65- $70m deal.
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Nobody is going to give a "system qb"* that kind if money....



* I don't believe he is one.
 
badboy said:
If I was Schaub's agent & believed him healthy as stated, I would ask him to play 2012 and then test FA. Another 4,000 yard season could bring him a 5 year deal $65- $70m deal.
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This is the NFL. Yards aren't going to get Matt a lot of money. Jon Kitna put up some hella stats (yards) & he went to Dallas as a back-up.

Matt's got to put together some wins & with the defense & running game he's got now, that shouldn't be a problem. Everybody knows he's capable of putting up 300 yard games. But he needs to be that guy who got out thrown by Colt McCoy in Cleveland last year. Doing what needs to be done when it needs to be done & getting the W. Like Tenn, Jax, Clev & TB last year.

It's not about the stats, the W is the only thing that matters.
 
thunderkyss said:
This is the NFL. Yards aren't going to get Matt a lot of money. Jon Kitna put up some hella stats (yards) & he went to Dallas as a back-up.
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Pretty sure badboy meant another Schaub type of 4000 yd season - Kitna had more INTs than TDs and a QB rating of 80 rather than one near 100.

Oh and Kitna was a fumbling machine - 28 fumbles in two years. That was 70 fumbles/INTs in two years.
 
thunderkyss said:
This is the NFL. Yards aren't going to get Matt a lot of money. Jon Kitna put up some hella stats (yards) & he went to Dallas as a back-up.

Matt's got to put together some wins & with the defense & running game he's got now, that shouldn't be a problem. Everybody knows he's capable of putting up 300 yard games. But he needs to be that guy who got out thrown by Colt McCoy in Cleveland last year. Doing what needs to be done when it needs to be done & getting the W. Like Tenn, Jax, Clev & TB last year.

It's not about the stats, the W is the only thing that matters.
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Disagree 100%. QB are a precious commodity and we see over reaches every year. Every coach thinks he can take someone elses junk and make a treasure and Matt Schaub is not junk. I am not a huge Matt fan but unless Yates is real deal, we better hope Schaub wants to play in Houston after this season. I smile when I see posters saying "offer him this or that". He can say no to all of it.
 
infantrycak said:
Pretty sure badboy meant another Schaub type of 4000 yd season - Kitna had more INTs than TDs and a QB rating of 80 rather than one near 100.

Oh and Kitna was a fumbling machine - 28 fumbles in two years. That was 70 fumbles/INTs in two years.
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This exactly. Thanks Icak. If Schaub had not been injured many think he could have had another very good year & maybe taken us to SB. If healthy he has an even better chance this season. He should sign a much better contract whether with Texans or someone else.
 
We have 11-12 days to sign Posey and Brooks before they're due to report for rookie camp on the 22nd.

*A random HOU-TEX observation*
 
badboy said:
This exactly. Thanks Icak. If Schaub had not been injured many think he could have had another very good year & maybe taken us to SB. If healthy he has an even better chance this season. He should sign a much better contract whether with Texans or someone else.
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But he hasn't and right now Yates has more playoff wins than Schaub. Schaub has thrown up great numbers but just not gotten the wins/respect he needs to demand that kind of money.

He has to come through this year IMHO, if we pay him before this year I personally think we are nuts.
 
badboy said:
Disagree 100%. QB are a precious commodity and we see over reaches every year. Every coach thinks he can take someone elses junk and make a treasure and Matt Schaub is not junk. I am not a huge Matt fan but unless Yates is real deal, we better hope Schaub wants to play in Houston after this season. I smile when I see posters saying "offer him this or that". He can say no to all of it.
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Hasselbeck was a 3x probowler, took the Seahawks to 6 playoff appearances, an NFC Championship game, & a Super Bowl.

$6.6M/yr in Tennessee.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hasselbeck was a 3x probowler, took the Seahawks to 6 playoff appearances, an NFC Championship game, & a Super Bowl.

$6.6M/yr in Tennessee.
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C'mon. Hasselbeck played in the crappiest division in football. He was a 35 year old QB who had barely sniffed a 90 QB rating once in the prior 5 years. In his best year in the 3 prior years he had a 75 QB rating. Schaub's QB rating over the last 4 seasons is 95. Their resumes are nothing alike in any relevant time period.
 
JB said:
He's also 617 yrs old
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And threw for 3001 yds, 12 TD's, 17 INT's and a QB rating of 73.2 in taking Seahawks to a 7-9 record (and admittedly the NFC Western Division title)the season prior to receiving that contract. The year before that was almost identical except in he threw 17 TD passes (but still 17 int's) and led the team to a 5-9 record in the 14 games he started.

BTW, at the time he signed with the Titans, he hadn't had a QB rating of over 75.2 or a season where he'd thrown more TD's than INT's since '07.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
How much are guys like Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez, etc making?
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Cassel signed a 6 year $63M deal, a little more than $10M/yr

infantrycak said:
C'mon. Hasselbeck played in the crappiest division in football. He was a 35 year old QB who had barely sniffed a 90 QB rating once in the prior 5 years. In his best year in the 3 prior years he had a 75 QB rating. Schaub's QB rating over the last 4 seasons is 95. Their resumes are nothing alike in any relevant time period.
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I agree, Schaub's got a bunch of stats & injuries. Hasselbeck has a bunch of accomplishments & injuries.

But no worries, he ought to rack up 10-12 wins & at least a play-off appearance in 2012, that'll bump up his perceived value.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
How much are guys like Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez, etc making?
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Matt Cassel - 3 (about to start his 4th) years ago signed for 6 years, $63 mil.
Tony Romo - 5 years ago signed a 6 year, $67 mil deal.
Mark Sanchez - just signed a 5 year $58 mil deal.

Two of the three I think should be thrown out of any discussion with Schaub and all make over $10 mil/yr.
 
silvrhand said:
But he hasn't and right now Yates has more playoff wins than Schaub. Schaub has thrown up great numbers but just not gotten the wins/respect he needs to demand that kind of money.

He has to come through this year IMHO, if we pay him before this year I personally think we are nuts.
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Surely your not comparing Yates to Schaub? DOn't forget TJ would not have been in a play off games without wins under Matt. I agree that it would be best not to sign Matt before health known. Having said that if we wait too long he could go elsewhere and then where are we? I am hoping Yates comes on strong but as # 2 then is able to start.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hasselbeck was a 3x probowler, took the Seahawks to 6 playoff appearances, an NFC Championship game, & a Super Bowl.

$6.6M/yr in Tennessee.
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Hasselbeck 37 YOA in Sept & how long ago was the SB? 2006. If you want to gibe him points for "being there", ok.

Matt just turned 31. WHich one would you want starting this season? Next 4 years?
 
badboy said:
Surely your not comparing Yates to Schaub? DOn't forget TJ would not have been in a play off games without wins under Matt. I agree that it would be best not to sign Matt before health known. Having said that if we wait too long he could go elsewhere and then where are we? I am hoping Yates comes on strong but as # 2 then is able to start.
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To pay him upwards of 12+ million a year he has to take the team into the playoffs and win some games IMHO. He has to stay healthy, he's missed the following games:

5 in 2007
5 in 2008
6 in 2011

So in short he's missed and entire season out of 5 seasons that we've had him on the roster. Not what I would consider stellar, but again he's putting up numbers but then again so did and here we go: Sage Rosenfels.. so we have to ask ourselves are we a system offense that we plug certain types of players in and ask them not to do just their job?

I'm going to eat some huge crow here, but the more and more I watch Gary come over the hurdles the more and more I have respect for his system on offense, he still doesn't know jack about playing defense though. I think he's probably one of the top offensive minds in the game, but not the best HC.
 
silvrhand said:
To pay him upwards of 12+ million a year he has to take the team into the playoffs and win some games IMHO. He has to stay healthy, he's missed the following games:

5 in 2007
5 in 2008
6 in 2011

So in short he's missed and entire season out of 5 seasons that we've had him on the roster. Not what I would consider stellar, but again he's putting up numbers but then again so did and here we go: Sage Rosenfels.. so we have to ask ourselves are we a system offense that we plug certain types of players in and ask them not to do just their job?
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Suddenly I'm reminded of Yao Ming.
 
silvrhand said:
To pay him upwards of 12+ million a year he has to take the team into the playoffs and win some games IMHO. He has to stay healthy, he's missed the following games:

5 in 2007
5 in 2008
6 in 2011

So in short he's missed and entire season out of 5 seasons that we've had him on the roster. Not what I would consider stellar, but again he's putting up numbers but then again so did and here we go: Sage Rosenfels.. so we have to ask ourselves are we a system offense that we plug certain types of players in and ask them not to do just their job?

I'm going to eat some huge crow here, but the more and more I watch Gary come over the hurdles the more and more I have respect for his system on offense, he still doesn't know jack about playing defense though. I think he's probably one of the top offensive minds in the game, but not the best HC.
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Please compare injuries to everyone's hall of famer Andre Johnson.
 
Blake said:
Point taken, but you have to consider that QB's are generally protected. While WR's are out there getting blasted.
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I think if you look back on the injuries suffered by Matt, you'd find that he wasn't generally protected. :-) Ironically Andre wasn't touched last season.
 
_superMario90_ said:
I think if you look back on the injuries suffered by Matt, you'd find that he wasn't generally protected. :-) Ironically Andre wasn't touched last season.
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That's because one guy is mobile and the other isn't.

It's no mystery why Schaub is continually hurt. AJ has been grinding out 1,000 yard seasons for many years now, it's expected for him to gimp up on his own. Schaub is getting rolled on, stepped on, smacked down, etc...and it's a product of his pocket preference.

Yes, Schaub stares down a blitz. And Yes, he gives every pass play a full effort. But damn almighty he's a glutton for punishment. Thats not out of preference, IMO, that's out of sheer lack of mobility.

We need a more mobile QB. Schaub is our best chance for 2012, but I'd really prefer someone who has wheels and can pass too. This is where I get labeled "Schaub hater," btw. In 3, 2, 1....LOL.
 
Blake said:
Point taken, but you have to consider that QB's are generally protected. While WR's are out there getting blasted.
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Schaub has been taken out by Haynesworth twice, IIRC.

Once it was the shoulder when Fat Albert was in Tennessee.

Again, this time it was Matt's foot, when Fat Albert was with the Bucs.

Minus Albert Haynesworth, Matt Schaub would have played in a about 10 more games than he has.
 
infantrycak said:
6 games of which have been due to flagged & fined illegal hits. Take those out and Schaub has played in 86.5%.
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Schaub has always been injury prone, are you trying to talk yourself out of that? He never even played a full 3-4 years in college, and hurt his shoulder even then. I admit the last two years have been better and his ankle kind of a freak accident in some way, but Matt Schaub doesn't seem to be the most durable QB's we've seen.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/...le=Matt+Schaub%2C+QB%2C+Texans&photo=29827485
 
silvrhand said:
Schaub has always been injury prone, are you trying to talk yourself out of that?
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I'm not trying to talk myself out of anything. I have consistently opposed calling players injury prone when they do not have repetitive injuries of the same type. Getting a concussion from being blind sided in San Diego didn't mean he was any more or less susceptible to having Jared Allen hit his knee twice and neither of them had anything to do with Fat Albert landing just so on his foot. I think injury prone is thrown around far too much in general.
 
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