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Arian Foster going vegan.

There is great difference between following a vegan lifestyle and following a vegan diet. The vegan diet is based solely on health. The vegan lifestyle is also based on a type of ethics/mores. I follow a vegan diet (not lifestyle) and encourage patients, friends and others to least consider leaning their diets towards plant-oriented choices.

BTW, nowhere have I come across a source that has reported that Foster has taken on a vegan “lifestyle”......just a vegan diet. So he can continue to eat his greens, beans, potatoes and other vegetables, nuts, and fruits.............and still continue to walk on his steaks. :tiphat:
 
#1 it will affect his performance (unless he is PED loading)

#2 it will affect his health (unless he cheats on the diet)

Humans were never designed to be vegans. That's why
we can digest bones and don't have four stomachs (or other
oddities) and such like true herbivores.

TJ
 
Arian Foster can do whatever the hell it makes him happy, but personally, I think this "vegan" stuff is baloney.

Sugar is toxic. As long as I keep that mind, I can eat whatever I want.
 
speedfreek said:
#1 it will affect his performance (unless he is PED loading)

#2 it will affect his health (unless he cheats on the diet)

Humans were never designed to be vegans. That's why
we can digest bones and don't have four stomachs (or other
oddities) and such like true herbivores.

TJ
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It won't affect his performance whatsoever but I agree with #2. He will now almost certainly live longer.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
My deep secret is now out there. From now on, everytime I look at a chicken tender, I will be eaten up with guilt............except on game day!:chef:
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Fighting the urge to cheat is a daily struggle for me. I am gluten free, and I work with people who bring kolaches and doughnuts to work every other day.

I gain the same benefits from being GF that many claim from a vegan diet. After my sister was diagnosed with celiac, I eliminated wheat/barley/rye from my diet as well. Soon after, many chronic symptoms I had for over 20 years were cleared up. My memory and alertness also improved.

But those kolaches... They are the sirens' call. Some days, you just have to cheat.
 
Why would you want to go vegan in the 1st place after eating at Whataburger 1 time that would change you from vegan to a a vicious carnivore in a heartbeat! :boogereater:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
...Indeed, you can gain all nutritional goals, with only one or two exceptions. B12 supplements must be taken as this vitamin is only attainable through animal sources. The other supplement that is usually necessary is iron. Iron from plant sources are extremely poorly absorbed...
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Does a multi-vitamin with "400%" daily requirement of B12 cover it, or do you supplement even more?

CloakNNNdagger said:
...GI effects...
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Can vegan exacerbate IBS in those predisposed to it? All this fiber, lentil soup, raw oats is giving me some IBS symptoms.
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Playoffs said:
Does a multi-vitamin with "400%" daily requirement of B12 cover it, or do you supplement even more?
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B12 in oral vitamin form isn't absorbed because it is destroyed by the acid in the stomach.

B12 in the past was always delivered by injections, not a very popular route. Sublinguals have become available, but many take forever to dissolve. The one quickest to dissolve, the one that I take daily is NO SHOT B12 (cyanocobalamin form) by World Organic 1000mcg instant dissolve micro tablets (available on the web and at Whole Foods).



Can vegan exacerbate IBS in those predisposed to it? All this fiber, lentil soup, raw oats is giving me some IBS symptoms.
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First make sure that you have IBS and not coeliac disease, which can give similar symptoms. The latter is many time mistaken for the former. Try a glutein free diet for about a month and see if this helps. Wheat and Oats and some other grains are the major offenders. If you see a significant improvement, you have your answer.

If symptoms do not seem to have let up, then just like anyone with IBS, it is a matter of becoming your own detective and manipulating individual foods in and out of your plant diet to identify what particular food(s) are triggering your symptoms. (BTW oatmeal [as opposed to coeliac patients] is classically soothing to IBS patients)
 
He's already so hippy, the "lifestyle" will soon be following the "diet". I quit following him when I saw the announcement in my timeline. I want to retain some respect for him while I still haven't seen a pro-PETA tweet.
 
speedfreek said:
#1 it will affect his performance (unless he is PED loading)

#2 it will affect his health (unless he cheats on the diet)

Humans were never designed to be vegans. That's why
we can digest bones and don't have four stomachs (or other
oddities) and such like true herbivores.

TJ
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Actually Genesis disagree with you.
 
Human beings lived almost entirely off animal products for 99% of our existence as a species.

To claim eating meat is unhealthy is to go against evolutionary history. If anything, it's grains and sugar we are not designed to eat.

But really, this and every other claim in this thread is hearsay. Clinical trials are all that matter.
 
Commodore said:
Human beings lived almost entirely off animal products for 99% of our existence as a species.

To claim eating meat is unhealthy is to go against evolutionary history. If anything, it's grains and sugar we are not designed to eat.

But really, this and every other claim in this thread is hearsay. Clinical trials are all that matter.
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No problem with your reference to sugar and some grains.

But “heresy”? Your last statement is misinformed on so many levels, I do not have the time or patience to address it in all but short summary.

A diet high in animal protein is known to be harmful (many would say disastrous) to our health, while a plant-based (vegan) diet prevents disease and is restorative to our health. This is re-inforced with a myriad of peer-reviewed scientific medical studies/trials. Even the very conservative ADA (American Dietetic Association) released a Position Satement :

Vegetarian diets are often associated with a number of health advantages, including lower blood cholesterol levels, lower risk of heart disease, lower blood pressure levels, and lower risk of hypertension and type 2 diabetes. Vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index (BMI) and lower overall cancer rates.
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[Full Position Paper-http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-07/ada-aru070109.php]

No one is trying to force anyone into a specific type of diet.....just presenting such with well-known and scientifically established benefits.
I sincerely invite you or anyone else to enjoy your steaks, but please don’t make outlandish statements against those that have chosen, for whatever reasons, to incorporate some very simple, well-established healthful principles.
 
Even though I dont follow a vegan diet, it would be foolish to think that it isn't good for your health.

What your mother told you was true. Eat your veggies they're good for you.
 
>A diet high in animal protein is known to be harmful (many would say disastrous) to our health

Most eroneous statement you could possibly make.

Too many people are reading animal rights propaganda sold as "vegan diet" books based on junk science, usually with biased chinese data (and the govt. of China strictly controls what is released to the public)

If you bother to take the time to study immunology, virology, paleo-biology and other sciences related to normal human development you would know this.

Anyone who argues that a plant only diet is the healthiest diet for humans simply does not have a broad enough understanding of human evolution, development from birth, and degenerative disease prevention throughout life.

This is not a medical forum, so I don't really have a desired to dump 7 years of my own personal research here. But anyone who is sold on the vegan lifestyle needs to do research outside the domain of simply "diet".

I would recommend that you study the case of the Inuit natives, and works
on areas like the Franchthi Cave etc.

TJ
 
I'm pretty sure CnD would indulge you in medical stuff if you want him to since he is a doctor. I would trust his word first.


I think it should be fairly common knowledge that an animal based diet, especially one with a lot of red meat is more detrimental than beneficial. Sure it has its benefits but those can all be supplemented elsewhere in today's world. I eat red meat very seldomly and when I do eat meat it's usually lean chicken or sometimes some fish(technically not meat to some).
 
>I think it should be fairly common knowledge that an animal based diet, especially one with a lot of red meat is more detrimental than beneficial

The problem with this statement is the same problem that
gets propagated over and over again in junk science.

The studies that report that red meat is more detrimental than beneficial are studies that look at red meat in conjunction with typical eastern or western diet. That, by it's very nature, is selection bias that ruins the study.

There are plenty of humans living on the planet today that eat diets mostly composed of highly fatty (saturated) meats and very little of anything else -- and they are doing quite nicely.

Some tribes even smoke tobacco their entire lives and have no
increase in cancer or decrease in life span.

You cannot do a valid study on the american public and assume by changing one variable that you've accounted for all of the other possible combinations. This is the basis for weeding out junk science.

And by the way, just because someone is a physician doesn't mean they have total knowledge of what a healthy human diet is. In fact, there are many physicians who's entire degree was earned based on how well they could recite the PDR. (not a comment against this person specifically..)

This is how you get absurd statements like "eating cheerios prevents heart disease"

If anyone on here wants to debate the merits of an animal based diet versus a vegan diet I'd be happy to oblidge, but not in this forum. Just PM me.

I just wanted to add my two cents in that if Arian goes full vegan, he will most likely decrease his performance, have a more difficult time recovering from injury and run the risk of missing playing time due to a weaker immune system. (research the effects of increased blood glucose on the leukocyte index for example..)

This will be amplified if he resorts to aquiring his protein from sources like soy..

If his motivation was to avoid harming animals, he could become a lacto-ovo vegetarian and have less side effects -- although the dairy of other animals is not particularly healthy for humans either..

T
 
****BALANCE****

Are we not omnivores??? Keep balance in your lives.. I'm not a huge veggie person but have learned or talked myself out of red meat several times a week and worked in many other healthy proteins (i.e. fish, pork, etc)...

I'm not a big fan of cooked veggies but work in a lot of raw veggies and some fruits. Unfortunately many fruits (while having healthty benefits) also contain a lot of sugar... So, be carefull!!
 
As has been previously brought up, there is no argument that the avoidance of processed foods, sugar, and many grains (most of which, like Cherios are processed) with attention to low glycemic foods in order to better control blood sugar (applied also when choosing a plant-based intake) are all excellent points to keep in mind.

I never posted in this thread intending to defend the vegan diet or to entirely denegrate the intake of meat. The mounds of medical research re-inforcing the benefits of a plant-oriented diet cannot all be accounted for by politically-motivated sources, or driven by scientifically-ignorant, blinded nut cases. I would have to say that taking on what some would consider a “difficult” plant-oriented diet would be much more appealing and more likely to be followed than eating high Omega-3 raw or extremely lightly boiled seal and whale meat served with a side of raw whale blubber. Most of the world’s centenarians have been vegan, vegetarian or those choosing a minimalistic meat diet.

In closing, I will also leave my last thoughts on this subject. A person’s choice in this matter is not one set in stone. Nor is it for Arian. Arian should do well with a vegetable-based diet, even if he leaves an open door to adding high quality protein in the form of some fish or lean meat to his diet in the future. In the end, this will all be up to him, depending on how he perceives his level of stamina and performance.

It’s funny how we are the only animals on earth that don't know what the hell to eat. Are we vegans, carnivores or omnivores? All other animals know instinctively what to eat. We humans, though, are just plain dumb.
 
I would like to thank C-N-D for helping me understand the effets of my previous diet. Which consisted of alot of processed foods, high sugar and he taught me some great info about the glycemic index.

While I've fallen short of my goals of losing 40 Lbs in 60 days. I have lost 25 Lbs and feel much better than I used too. Thanks Doc.

With that said, C-N-D never told me to stop eating meat. (He was smart enough not tell me that I couldn't eat meat.) LOL He just told me that fish was the best meat to eat, follwed by chicken. Pork and beef were not off limits but moderation is the key to any diet.

Thanks Doc I appreciate it.
 
Texan_Bill said:
****BALANCE****

Are we not omnivores??? Keep balance in your lives.. I'm not a huge veggie person but have learned or talked myself out of red meat several times a week and worked in many other healthy proteins (i.e. fish, pork, etc)...

I'm not a big fan of cooked veggies but work in a lot of raw veggies and some fruits. Unfortunately many fruits (while having healthty benefits) also contain a lot of sugar... So, be carefull!!
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yeah but you're a weirdo
 
Texan_Bill said:
****BALANCE****

Are we not omnivores??? Keep balance in your lives.. I'm not a huge veggie person but have learned or talked myself out of red meat several times a week and worked in many other healthy proteins (i.e. fish, pork, etc)...

I'm not a big fan of cooked veggies but work in a lot of raw veggies and some fruits. Unfortunately many fruits (while having healthty benefits) also contain a lot of sugar... So, be carefull!!
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Agreed on the balance thing.

On the cooked veggies unfortunately Americans cook vegetables really poorly. No offense to the moms of our era but just throwing squash in water and boiling it to death is not cooking. Carrots boiled until you couldn't get them on a fork. Hated that stuff as a kid. But my parents taught me to be polite and so I tried other versions and what do you know, it can be cooked into something other than bland mushy muck. I never have to fight my kids to eat their vegetables and they love things like kale, collards, okra, brussel sprouts, etc. If you want to experiment just pm me some time.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A diet high in animal protein is known to be harmful (many would say disastrous) to our health, while a plant-based (vegan) diet prevents disease and is restorative to our health. This is re-inforced with a myriad of peer-reviewed scientific medical studies/trials. Even the very conservative ADA (American Dietetic Association) released a Position Satement :

[Full Position Paper-http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-07/ada-aru070109.php
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I was unaware that a vegetarian diet can possibly lower your blood pressure. I have semi-high blood pressure (usually 140s), but I'm a bit resistant to taking drugs for it. I'm not overweight by any means, so I've resorted to lowering my sodium intake.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but since we're on the topic...aside from lowering my sodium intake, how can I alter my diet to lower my blood pressure? I'm willing to become a vegetarian...or even a vegan.
 
CretorFrigg said:
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but since we're on the topic...aside from lowering my sodium intake, how can I alter my diet to lower my blood pressure? I'm willing to become a vegetarian...or even a vegan.
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10 ways to control high blood pressure without medication: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-blood-pressure/HI00027

DASH diet: Healthy eating to lower your blood pressure: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dash-diet/HI00047

Download PDF Your Guide to Lowering Your Blood Pressure with DASH: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/public/heart/hbp/dash/
 
CretorFrigg said:
I was unaware that a vegetarian diet can possibly lower your blood pressure. I have semi-high blood pressure (usually 140s), but I'm a bit resistant to taking drugs for it. I'm not overweight by any means, so I've resorted to lowering my sodium intake.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but since we're on the topic...aside from lowering my sodium intake, how can I alter my diet to lower my blood pressure? I'm willing to become a vegetarian...or even a vegan.
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The DASH diet, as Playoff pointed out, is not a bad place to start, again I would lean heavily on the the plant side.

In general, stay away from canned soups, canned vegetables and definitely learn to watch sodium on labels. Don't be fooled by glancing at, for example, a typical soup can that says 600 mgs sodium.......that's 600 per serving and there are typically 3 to 3.5 servings per can..........who has 1/3 of a can of soup????? You've really got to watch out for the company labeling tricks.

Fried foods are usually full of salt as well as any processed meats. Chinese and Italian foods are typically loaded with salt. Beware any time you go eat out (minimize it if you can)..........the salt shaker tends to get dropped in everything that you order unless its ordered fresh and natural. Don't be shy about telling the waiter to prepare with no salt. And try to avoid most fast food establishments.

Supplements that are quite helpful with lowering/controlling blood pressure include potassium and magnesium. There are recent studies that demonstrate blood pressure lowering properties associated with Vitamin D supplementation......all year round, but especially in non-sunny months.
It would be a good idea to obtain base line blood tests measuring sodium, potasium, magnesium, calcium and Vitamin D levels.

Try salt substitutes like NuSalt.

BTW, load up on decaf green tea as it can help lower and maintain blood pressure as well as prevent elevation of blood pressure. Avoid caffeine and other stimulants as much as possible.

And, above all, try to attain the magic number or 3 hours total for weekly aerobic exercise, which is one of the strongest non-dietary factors for lowering blood pressure.
 
Wow.
What a varied reaction from everyone!
Im no vegan, but I ocasionally go that route.
One thing that I have found to work is to eliminate all soy, wheat, and sugar. I lost 12 lbs in one month just by doing that. Wheat is the hardest to avoid. It's everywhere. For "bread" I'd use the sprouted grain/bean "bread" (I use "" because you'd need to toast it twice to be edible). For protien I would use either whey or egg white.

Again, not vegan, just less meat. I'd still eat fish, chicken and beef, just less of it.
 
Personally, *if* he isn't already on a vegan diet I think it's a bad time to start, he should continue his normal routine till the offseason and make the switch then so he has time to work out what works best for him.

We are 60 days away from the season, and IMHO a major diet change that close to the season isn't something I like to from our players. As CND pointed out B12 is an issue for some people to digest from vegan based diets, and supplements depending on the absorbtion rate could take some time for him to figure out.
 
Texan_Bill said:
****BALANCE****

Are we not omnivores??? Keep balance in your lives.. I'm not a huge veggie person but have learned or talked myself out of red meat several times a week and worked in many other healthy proteins (i.e. fish, pork, etc)...

I'm not a big fan of cooked veggies but work in a lot of raw veggies and some fruits. Unfortunately many fruits (while having healthty benefits) also contain a lot of sugar... So, be carefull!!
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I used to be the same way. I had some grilled zucchini at the outlaws house a year or two ago and it was great. I usually grill some up a couple times a week now, or whenever I fire up the grill. Marinate them for a while and only grill them a min or two on each side. That way you still have the full texture of the vegetable rather than the mushy crap. That would be what used to kick in my gag reflexes.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
If it's for health, whatever.

If it's for animal rights, nonsensical "moral" reasons, that's just ****ing stupid.
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Classy.

speedfreek said:
#1 it will affect his performance (unless he is PED loading)

#2 it will affect his health (unless he cheats on the diet)

Humans were never designed to be vegans. That's why
we can digest bones and don't have four stomachs (or other
oddities) and such like true herbivores.

TJ
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True but humans weren't made to eat the amounts of meat and sugar most Americans eat every year either. Perhaps he has a digestive disorder that pushed him in this direction, who knows? I know I can't eat beef like I used to and shrimp is starting to be a bad idea too.

I would never take it as far as not drinking milk but caring for the animals and about the industry producing our foods is noble and nothing less.
 
A buddy of mine (avid hunter) gave me an article written by a nutritionist/Dr. from a hunting magazine many years ago.

It was mainly about advocating wild meat being so much better for consumption than mass produced meat.

Some interesting aspects of the article were that human digestive systems have not evolved as quickly as our modern menus. We basically have the same digestive system that humans had 10,000 years ago.

He also pointed out that while we are omnivores, capable of digesting both plant and animals, early humans of the hunter/gatherer cultures never ate meat every day, much less with every meal. They ate plants/fruits/vegetables in season and meat when they could hunt it. They also walked a lot and went through regular periods of fasting due to the occasional scarcity of food.
 
Double Barrel said:
He also pointed out that while we are omnivores, capable of digesting both plant and animals, early humans of the hunter/gatherer cultures never ate meat every day, much less with every meal. They ate plants/fruits/vegetables in season and meat when they could hunt it. They also walked a lot and went through regular periods of fasting due to the occasional scarcity of food.
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I don't know why people can't see the obvious truth in this and where speedfreak is coming up with these all meat eating societies. OK nothing much grows around the Inuits. That is not the norm. And I don't know what kind of hunting people are thinking of where it's just easy to walk around and shoot big macs for everyone for three meals a day with primitive equipment. I've shot dove with my bow but you aren't giving a family a big whopping serving of meat at night doing it.

It's like folks think because we are omnivores it means be as close to carnivore as possible. Bears are omnivores and only eat 10-15% meat.

speedfreek said:
Humans were never designed to be vegans. That's why we can digest bones and don't have four stomachs (or other
oddities) and such like true herbivores.
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Have you ever put a piece of bone in a cow to be able to tell they can't digest bones?

Are you sure it is digested v. passed? Due to turbulence I swallowed a plastic toothpick one time. No idea what its ultimate destiny was but either way it didn't mean we were designed to eat plastic toothpicks.

You realize there are "true herbivores" with a single stomach, right?
 
Double Barrel said:
A buddy of mine (avid hunter) gave me an article written by a nutritionist/Dr. from a hunting magazine many years ago.

It was mainly about advocating wild meat being so much better for consumption than mass produced meat.

Some interesting aspects of the article were that human digestive systems have not evolved as quickly as our modern menus. We basically have the same digestive system that humans had 10,000 years ago.

He also pointed out that while we are omnivores, capable of digesting both plant and animals, early humans of the hunter/gatherer cultures never ate meat every day, much less with every meal. They ate plants/fruits/vegetables in season and meat when they could hunt it. They also walked a lot and went through regular periods of fasting due to the occasional scarcity of food.
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You would enjoy Eat Right For Your Type.

The guy has had his stuff published in New England Journal of Medicine.

He says our blood type and DNA and digestive system are all tied together, and predicated upon our ancestral eating habits.

Type O is the oldest blood type, meat eaters. Ever wonder why some people eat crazy amounts of meat and they are skinny as a rail??? Ask them their blood type, it'll be Type O more than likely.

Type A's ancestors were hunter/gatherers..living on picked vegetation and nuts, berries. This group eventually stopped being nomadic and settled into farming a consistent homestead. Type A's do best on a diet heavy in leafy greens, nuts, fruits, and small quantities of meat protein.

His studies showed that our red blood cells, when attempting to carry food nutrients throughout the body, sense if a food substance is beneficial or harmful (based on DNA markup!) and if it's a bad food...it triggers the white blood cells to wrap the bad food with a coating and whisk it away to be stored as fat.

Thus, WHAT we eat can indeed cause heart disease and cancer...but it's predicated upon BLOOD TYPE and what that person eats.

Fascinating book. Reputable.
 
Double Barrel said:
A buddy of mine (avid hunter) gave me an article written by a nutritionist/Dr. from a hunting magazine many years ago.

It was mainly about advocating wild meat being so much better for consumption than mass produced meat.

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Your friend pointed you in the right direction. If one is going to eat meat, game meat, in general, is a healthier choice of meat as it’s rich in proteins, has fewer calories, more lean tissue, higher amounts of polyunsaturated fatty acids and higher amounts of Omega-3 fatty acids. Not to mention, there is no concern for growth hormones or antibiotics being fed to these animals.
 
CretorFrigg said:
I was unaware that a vegetarian diet can possibly lower your blood pressure. I have semi-high blood pressure (usually 140s), but I'm a bit resistant to taking drugs for it. I'm not overweight by any means, so I've resorted to lowering my sodium intake.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but since we're on the topic...aside from lowering my sodium intake, how can I alter my diet to lower my blood pressure? I'm willing to become a vegetarian...or even a vegan.
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I take Losartan to help control my blood-pressure. Blood pressure can kill you man, dont play around with it. My oldest brother had HBP and wouldn't control it, wouldn't take medication, wouldn't slow down on the whiskey ... 43 years old and a gland burst in his brain and killed him. Official coroners cause of death ... hypertension.
 
speedfreek said:
#1 it will affect his performance (unless he is PED loading)

#2 it will affect his health (unless he cheats on the diet)

Humans were never designed to be vegans. That's why
we can digest bones and don't have four stomachs (or other
oddities) and such like true herbivores.

TJ
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I just wanted to point out that humans have the same movable jaw as a cow. We are able to grind our teeth as opposed to carnivores such as dogs and cats. We also do not have fangs but flat teeth like cows.

What's your explanation for this?
 
NitroGSXR said:
I just wanted to point out that humans have the same movable jaw as a cow. We are able to grind our teeth as opposed to carnivores such as dogs and cats. We also do not have fangs but flat teeth like cows.

What's your explanation for this?
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Bingo. We came from cows not monkeys.
 
Whichever route Foster chooses, including vegan, he should be fine.

The Buddhist Shoalin Monks [VIDEO] have always been considered one of the strongest and deadliest warriors in history, especially in hand-to-hand combat. They are strict vegans.

I wouldn't be too excited about trying hand-to-hand with a gorilla either. They are said to have ~10 times the strength of a well-built human of equivalent size. They are essentially vegan. In fact, they eat so many plants during a day, they virtually need no water. However, some would point out that they eat the plants with insects on them along with termites and larvae........I'm sure that would make the difference in a 400 pounder.:kitten:

When's the last time the "weakling" Clydesdales horse had a steak?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Whichever route Foster chooses, including vegan, he should be fine.

The Buddhist Shoalin Monks [VIDEO] have always been considered one of the strongest and deadliest warriors in history, especially in hand-to-hand combat. They are strict vegans.

I wouldn't be too excited about trying hand-to-hand with a gorilla either. They are said to have ~10 times the strength of a well-built human of equivalent size. They are essentially vegan. In fact, they eat so many plants during a day, they virtually need no water. However, some would point out that they eat the plants with insects on them along with termites and larvae........I'm sure that would make the difference in a 400 pounder.:kitten:

When's the last time the "weakling" Clydesdales horse had a steak?
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I could see Cody do a segment covering this subject with his own twisted island style......... :kingkong:
 
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