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Former University of Houston QB Case Keenum agrees to a contract with the Texans

Having John Beck as a backup is about as risky as it gets.

In the games I saw him in, he seemed to get rattled under any significant pass rush. And I noticed he would resort to a hurried sloppy sidearm delivery, quite remeniscent of D...d C..r. I also remember a couple "hail Marys" into the EZ. The problem was, these weren't thrown at the end of a game.....and they were thrown not from 40 yds, but from less than 10 yards. Last year, I remember thinking how pitifull the Redskins were having to agonize over a decision between Grossman and Beck.
 
It's amazing that folks look at a "home town" product, and believe that three weeks of practices in helmets and shorts that are not open to outside observers (beyond a few media members) will convince other teams to reserve one out of 53 roster spots for someone when five years of college football, the NFL combine, U of H pro day, and the opportunity to bring him in for interviews/workouts did not even convince one of them to use a 7th round draft pick on him.

Which is why Houston didn't draft him either.... How do you know other teams weren't looking at him as an UDFA?
 
Last year, I remember thinking how pitifull the Redskins were having to agonize over a decision between Grossman and Beck.
I didn't get Baby Shanny's love affair with Beck. Yes, Rex is a bad NFL QB. But...he's an NFL QB. Beck should be selling insurance or coaching high school ball. He's not an NFL QB. I'm not surprised that Beck looks OK on the sandlot, tossing around balls without live bullets. There are a ton of guys that could come off the street and do that.

I don't know if Case Keenum can make the roster. I don't know if he would or wouldn't be claimed off the practice squad. His ability to succeed in the NFL is a complete unknown. Beck is a known. He's 30 years old, entering his 6th year in the league, and he's done nothing but fail. John Beck should be nowhere near this final roster.
 
None of that has anything to do with my post (he had done all of that prior to the draft as best I can recall). I just think it's unlikely he'll do anything to change that perception in TC/preseason.

For the record, I view him as not getting picked up on waivers as a good thing since I'm a Case fan in addition to a Texans fan - I'm simply asking why are so many folks so positive Case would get picked up on waivers, when history has shown that to be highly unlikely.
I think it has everything to do with your post. NFL teams constantly watch what others do. A team makes it to playoffs with a certain defense, offense or big back versus smaller back, TEs versus WRs and others follow. I think the fact that Texans signed Case drew attention of other GMs. Kubiak talking him up could be just that or it could be a QB making coach seeing some things others did not or saw and chose not to make a move. The stats (and your recollection is accurate) were before the draft but still happened. Keenum can throw the ball and do so accurately. Eyeballs watched him make different types of throws that some doubt he can. A cautious coach wants to see him do it under pressure which during college was his forte.

True, we do not know if Keenum will do well in the NFL, but we can say that about almost all college players. A 24 year old with those stats and no NFL experience gets the nod from me over a 30 year old who has done almost zilch while in the NFL for years. Stephanie has pointed out that in OTA's the more experienced QB has played better than Keenum. Well, would you expect that tto be the case (pun intended).
 
On team generally raiding the practice squads of other teams.: Happens, of course, but fans fear of it is greater than the reality of how often it occurs. and even when it does, the exception is when that specific player becomes a long term significant piece in the NFL. Also, if a team is truly worried about a player being taken from the practice squad then simply paying him more than the minimium salary is an option.

On Keenum love:

1) Is a Houston prodcut who has provided no reason to be negative towaards him.
2) Highly productive as a college player. would have some suppport because of that no matter where he was played college ball.
3) Has overcome injury and remained #2.
4) does have some good traits viewable on film, although his overall profile is borderline NFL.

My belief is that if Keenum wasn't from the area he would have a few people high on him, but the sort near assurance some people have that he will be successful would not exist. Nice story, but has a long way to go to be even a decent NFL back-up.
 
Which is why Houston didn't draft him either.... How do you know other teams weren't looking at him as an UDFA?

No doubt they were, and I would imagine the Texans weren't the only ones who offered him a contract, but there's a huge difference between giving somebody an opportunity to try out as part of a 90 man roster, and bringing somebody in who's guaranteed a spot on a 53 man roster.

I think it has everything to do with your post. NFL teams constantly watch what others do. A team makes it to playoffs with a certain defense, offense or big back versus smaller back, TEs versus WRs and others follow. I think the fact that Texans signed Case drew attention of other GMs. Kubiak talking him up could be just that or it could be a QB making coach seeing some things others did not or saw and chose not to make a move. The stats (and your recollection is accurate) were before the draft but still happened. Keenum can throw the ball and do so accurately. Eyeballs watched him make different types of throws that some doubt he can. A cautious coach wants to see him do it under pressure which during college was his forte.

True, we do not know if Keenum will do well in the NFL, but we can say that about almost all college players. A 24 year old with those stats and no NFL experience gets the nod from me over a 30 year old who has done almost zilch while in the NFL for years. Stephanie has pointed out that in OTA's the more experienced QB has played better than Keenum. Well, would you expect that tto be the case (pun intended).

First, my original post referred to teams wanting him after the three weeks of OTA practices in helmet and shorts. Believe what you want to believe about his desirability to other teams, but if you think anything's different right now than it was immediately before the draft, just keep on believing that.

And I'm not going to argue with you about the likelihood of making it through waivers. I've got my position, you've got yours - maybe we'll get a chance to find out what would happen, maybe not. I just believe that with a starting QB who missed the last 8 games of last season, and a backup who's going into his second year, that unless Beck totally stinks up the joint in preseason (not an impossibility by any means), they'd rather keep Beck and stash Case on the practice squad - and obviously I think that the practice squad will likely be a viable option. On a long-term basis, there's no doubt that Case is the better option, and if it boiled down to a choice between one or the other, I agree it would be Case - I just don't think it's going to boil down to that choice going into the 2012 season.
 
Which is why Houston didn't draft him either.... How do you know other teams weren't looking at him as an UDFA?

No doubt they were, and I would imagine the Texans weren't the only ones who offered him a contract, but there's a huge difference between giving somebody an opportunity to try out as part of a 90 man roster, and bringing somebody in who's guaranteed a spot on a 53 man roster.

Agreed. If someone were to snatch him on waivers, he has to be guaranteed a spot on the 53. As has been said, I doubt anyone will see anything from Case over the next three months that they didn't see over the last 4 years.

The only way he could possibly get claimed off waivers, would be if some team has extremely horrible luck over the next three months & that team has intimate knowledge of him (i.e. his college QB coach or offensive coordinator is pulling the strings on that team).

He'll hit the practice squad & we'll have three QBs working our system, Schaub, Yates, Beck.
 
Agreed. If someone were to snatch him on waivers, he has to be guaranteed a spot on the 53.

No he doesn't. If he is grabbed through the waivers process he goes onto their roster of whatever size it is at that point and is guaranteed nothing. He could be cut the next day. If he passes through waivers he is free to sign to any team's practice squad, the Texans have no particular rights to him. If he signs to the Texans practice squad and then some other team signs him off our practice squad then he counts against their roster for a minimum of three weeks.
 
No he doesn't. If he is grabbed through the waivers process he goes onto their roster of whatever size it is at that point and is guaranteed nothing. He could be cut the next day. If he passes through waivers he is free to sign to any team's practice squad, the Texans have no particular rights to him. If he signs to the Texans practice squad and then some other team signs him off our practice squad then he counts against their roster for a minimum of three weeks.

I stand corrected.
 
Since Keenum signed a 3-yr contract with the Texans, they might want to have him on the roster to lock down the very inexpensive deal.

Beck, even with the minimum veteran money, costs much more.

In case Schaub gets hurt for any reason, the Texans can always bring in a vet like Delhome.
They will only have to pay "as you go" at that time.
 
Since Keenum signed a 3-yr contract with the Texans, they might want to have him on the roster to lock down the very inexpensive deal.

Beck, even with the minimum veteran money, costs much more.

In case Schaub gets hurt for any reason, the Texans can always bring in a vet like Delhome.
They will only have to pay "as you go" at that time.

That makes sense. I guess it depends on how they do in pre season and camp though.
 
OK I will confess to not watching much college ball. I know Brees fell due to his height of 6'0'" to the 1st pick of the 2nd round. Keenum is call it an inch taller. Obviously QB's can be effective at that height. What is it about Keenum v. say Brees that made him drop out of the draft entirely?
 
That goes without saying.
Keenum has to practice and play very well to get to that point.

Right, but my point was how much better (or does he even have to be better) than beck does he need to play?

If something crazy happens like beck lighting it up in pre season and Keenum playing ok or not so good, do you think they'd still prefer the scenario you laid out.

I agree with what you posted in theory I'm just wondering if the play on the field will allow it.

And as it stands now Keenum may not get a whole lot of action in games as the 4th qb. Maybe Yates doesn't play in the 4th pre season game and beck and Keenum get all the reps. Or maybe one of them is gone by that time. I dunno.
 
OK I will confess to not watching much college ball. I know Brees fell due to his height of 6'0'" to the 1st pick of the 2nd round. Keenum is call it an inch taller. Obviously QB's can be effective at that height. What is it about Keenum v. say Brees that made him drop out of the draft entirely?

Injury.
Keenum was injured making a tackle after an INT.
He also had a concussion in a different game.

He was injured very early in the 2010 season and it took him a long time to come back; he wasn't ready for the 2011 combine.

Keenum even confessed to being nervous during the first practice in the Spring.
 
OK I will confess to not watching much college ball. I know Brees fell due to his height of 6'0'" to the 1st pick of the 2nd round. Keenum is call it an inch taller. Obviously QB's can be effective at that height. What is it about Keenum v. say Brees that made him drop out of the draft entirely?

I don't know what brees' combine was like but apparently Keenum's was a big fail.

Questions about his arm strength from some and the health.

I think it was a combo of things.
 
Right, but my point was how much better (or does he even have to be better) than beck does he need to play?

If something crazy happens like beck lighting it up in pre season and Keenum playing ok or not so good, do you think they'd still prefer the scenario you laid out.

I agree with what you posted in theory I'm just wondering if the play on the field will allow it.

And as it stands now Keenum may not get a whole lot of action in games as the 4th qb. Maybe Yates doesn't play in the 4th pre season game and beck and Keenum get all the reps. Or maybe one of them is gone by that time. I dunno.

Let's say Schaub is ready for pre-season, the Texans probably won't go with 4 QBs, will they?

I think it will have to take the crazy scenario that you put up in which the Texans see so much positive change in Beck, they decide to keep him.

They will probably cut Keenum then.

However, I think that such a possibility is quite remote.
I'm thinking Beck gets cut before pre-season.
 
Since Keenum signed a 3-yr contract with the Texans, they might want to have him on the roster to lock down the very inexpensive deal.

Beck, even with the minimum veteran money, costs much more.

In case Schaub gets hurt for any reason, the Texans can always bring in a vet like Delhome.
They will only have to pay "as you go" at that time.

But with a still very inexperienced Yates as our backup QB, having a veteran 3rd stringer who has familiarity with the system and the players is vital. If Schaub were to go down I would feel much better with Beck as our backup to Yates instead of some veteran guy they just picked off the street and has to try and learn the system in a matter of weeks.
 
But with a still very inexperienced Yates as our backup QB, having a veteran 3rd stringer who has familiarity with the system and the players is vital. If Schaub were to go down I would feel much better with Beck as our backup to Yates instead of some veteran guy they just picked off the street and has to try and learn the system in a matter of weeks.

Delhome already knows the system.
If they want to resign Beck at that time, the Texans can always do that, too!
 
I don't know what brees' combine was like but apparently Keenum's was a big fail.

Questions about his arm strength from some and the health.

I think it was a combo of things.

Keenum pulled a hamstring running his second 40 at the combine.
It affected his movement and his throws.
Having seen him throw the ball more than a thousand times, I say there's nothing wrong with his mechanics or anything.
The knock about his arm strength is also unfounded as we had discussed it before.

All we need to know is that he can throw the ball farther than Schaub.
 
OK I will confess to not watching much college ball. I know Brees fell due to his height of 6'0'" to the 1st pick of the 2nd round. Keenum is call it an inch taller. Obviously QB's can be effective at that height. What is it about Keenum v. say Brees that made him drop out of the draft entirely?

76 did a big piece on him during the draft process the link is here.
if you read through it you'll find some good info.
great work from 76

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89651&highlight=keenum
 
OK I will confess to not watching much college ball. I know Brees fell due to his height of 6'0'" to the 1st pick of the 2nd round. Keenum is call it an inch taller. Obviously QB's can be effective at that height. What is it about Keenum v. say Brees that made him drop out of the draft entirely?

Being a system QB .... taking all those snaps from the shotgun along with his lack of ideal size. Its a pretty huge difference , going from the shotgun all the time to under center , biggest difference is in your reads. Some guy's can make the transition .... others cant. But thats what seperates the good QB'sfrom the great ones.
 
Being a system QB .... taking all those snaps from the shotgun along with his lack of ideal size. Its a pretty huge difference , going from the shotgun all the time to under center , biggest difference is in your reads. Some guy's can make the transition .... others cant. But thats what seperates the good QB'sfrom the great ones.

That's another myth.

If one follows the link that aussietexan provides, one can see that Keenum did have experience under center, probably/likely more than RG III and definitely more than Weeden.
 
Keenum pulled a hamstring running his second 40 at the combine.
It affected his movement and his throws.
Having seen him throw the ball more than a thousand times, I say there's nothing wrong with his mechanics or anything.
The knock about his arm strength is also unfounded as we had discussed it before.

All we need to know is that he can throw the ball farther than Schaub.

I wasn't stating any of that as my opinion, just saying what some knocks on him were.

As far as his combine performance he himself said that he didn't perform at a level he expected. He said he did things that were uncharacteristic.

I don't expect him to use an injury as an excuse, but I'm just saying from a scouts perspective what the impression might have been. Either way, injury or just a bad performance doesn't sit well with folks.
 
This is a must read for understanding a short QB's challenges and how they may be able to overcome them. [Appeared in the NY TIMES Nov. 2009)]

Saints’ Brees Debunks Notions of the Quarterback Prototype

Drew Brees stepped onto the scale at the N.F.L.’s scouting combine in 2001 and was quickly reminded of his biggest — and smallest — problem.

The first time he had heard that he was not as tall as the men with clipboards preferred was when he was coming out of high school. Despite leading his team to the Texas state championship with a perfect season, he was not heavily recruited.

After finishing third in the Heisman Trophy race while at Purdue, Brees again faced perhaps his biggest obstacle, this time in a room filled with talent evaluators. “They had him at 6 feet and one-eighth or two-eighths inches,” his Purdue Coach, Joe Tiller, said. “Drew said ‘No, I’m 6-1. Measure me again.’ He said, ‘That can’t be true. I know I’m 6-1.’ ”

Not quite. Brees is listed at 6 feet flat and is the shortest starting quarterback in a league in which 21 of 32 starting quarterbacks are 6-3 or taller. But as a favorite to win the league’s Most Valuable Player award, Brees is making a mockery of the league’s carefully honed quarterbacking prototype.


When the Dallas Cowboys pioneered the use of computer analysis in scouting several decades ago, they determined that the breaking point for quarterbacks having passes blocked at the line of scrimmage was 6-1. Any player shorter than that, even one with first-round ability, should not be drafted above the sixth or seventh round, the Cowboys figured.

Brees was the first pick in the second round. Since then, he has debunked the idea that the taller quarterback is better.

“If you can visualize a salt shaker and a water tumbler,” said Gil Brandt, a former vice president of player personnel for the Cowboys who helped develop the computer models. “A short quarterback is the salt shaker that has to throw over the water tumbler, to a receiver on the other side that is probably just a little taller than the salt shaker. Brees is a 1-in-100 guy. If you look around, the quarterbacks that are playing the best, they’re all at least 6-3.”

To compensate for not being as tall as Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger, each 6-5, Brees has an instinctive ability to slide a few feet in the pocket to better see his throwing lanes. He is no Steve Young, the barely 6-1 Hall of Fame quarterback whose superb scrambling ability helped make up for his size, but Brees shares Young’s conviction that vision is not a problem.

Giants defensive lineman Justin Tuck, who endured Brees’s four-touchdown day last month, said he guessed that Brees takes a deeper drop before he passes to give him a better view over his offensive line. Nope, Brees said. But Tuck does know one thing from experience.

“His release is so quick, it makes it so tough to judge when he’s letting the ball go, so you don’t know when to jump,” Tuck said.

Brees calls his quick release one of his survival skills. He has concentrated on releasing the ball with his hand high in the air, not down near his shoulder.

“I’ve seen plenty of tall guys where the ball is coming out at a height equivalent to their shoulder,” Brees said. “Compare a 6-5 guy who throws the ball sidearm to a 6-0 guy who has a high release point, and whose ball is coming out higher?”

At Purdue, Tiller noticed that Brees has exceptionally long thumbs, and bigger hands than most people 6 foot. That, Tiller said, allows Brees a better grip on the ball. That may be why Brees is also so adept at throwing the ball from a number of release points, the better to get the ball around and over the linemen.

“Over the top, sidearm, three-quarter — he can alter his throwing motion,” said the former coach Jon Gruden, now an analyst for ESPN.

In the end, what has made Brees great, though, may have more to do with what he has in common with Brady and Manning: extraordinary preparation. Brees has mastered the Saints’ offense, and Coach Sean Payton has given him the freedom to change plays, just as Brady and Manning do. Because Brees knows where everybody is going, which allows him to release the ball before his receiver even makes his break, he can throw off the timing of the leaping linemen.

“Height only matters when you’re not mastering it,” Young, also an ESPN analyst, said. “Maybe the degree of difficulty is a little higher, but it’s still not a gating issue to success.”

Still, even Young said that although he never wished he was 6-6, he was always thankful he was not 5-11.

“6-0 is the Maginot line,” he said.

Brees just made it.

“You’re standing next to these N.F.L. quarterbacks, and you’re the shortest one,” Brees said. “You get these looks like, ‘You play quarterback?’ ”


BTW, when Brees was coming out of college, there were many concerns voiced that he was a "system quarterback" with the system at Purdue especially built around him.
 
As some here don't get the love for Case in this forum, I'm one of those that don't get the love for Beck. He's washed out on several teams, proved he can't handle the big time, and some here would rather have him than an NCAA record setting rookie?

I don't see the logic in that.
 
And as for the college "shotgun" formation to NFL under center argument, his retired Purdue football coach Joe Tiller had this to say (Feb 2010):
And then there’s the thing about arm strength, but Tiller thinks he’s got that figured out, too, after finally being able to watch professional football on Sundays now that he’s no longer coaching at the college level.

“We also liked him because he throws the short to intermediate ball maybe better than anyone else, certainly as good as anyone in the game,” Tiller stated. “He’s got a great touch. The thing I noticed was one of the knocks on Drew coming out of college was that he always ends up in that shotgun. I’m watching the NFL on Sundays now and that midget quarterback at Pittsburgh (6’7” Ben Roethlisberger), he’s lining up in the shotgun, too. Everybody is in the shotgun anymore in the NFL. Even Sir Peyton is in the shotgun the majority of time.

“I tried to figure that out and I decided that with the speed of the defensive linemen and the speed of the linebackers on blitzes, I didn’t see anyone throw the ball over 40 yards this year. They didn’t have time to throw it over 40 yards. They might have thrown it over 40 when protection broke down, the guy took off scrambling, and he might have flipped it up the field for a home run ball. I don’t see anyone throwing the football way up the field. If you don’t line up in the shotgun and throw the ball when you plant that back foot you’re going to end up on your fanny.

“The stuff they criticized Drew for, everyone in the league is doing now. Go figure. He also has that uncanny sense to be able to feel the rush coming. The good quarterbacks have a feel for it. They don’t look for the rush, they don’t see it because they’re looking up the field, but they can feel it.

“Drew’s a guy who feels it. He skips sideways and he has just enough speed to get outside the pocket and he’s still extremely accurate.”

Tiller also has an explanation for that exceptional asset.

“One of the things physically about Drew, he might have been a little shorter than people wanted him to be, but he has very big hands,” Tiller said. “He has unusually long thumbs. You don’t pay any attention to those kinds of things unless you’re around a guy for four years. You’re up close and you notice how he can grip the ball the way he does. I’m sure it helps him in the way he controls his passes.”
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It is interesting to note that Keenum has 9-inch-1/8 hands, the second-smallest hands among quarterbacks invited to the combine.......yet, it has not seemed to hamper him in any way.
 
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1022419/6/index.htm

The bad news: Brees had one other goal for Indianapolis—"I don't want any incompletes in the passing drills"—but he didn't come close.

The heart of the quarterbacks' workout was a series of 20 throws: two pass attempts on each of 10 patterns. Brees was prepared to work at full speed, taking a hard drop and throwing on rhythm, before the receiver broke. However, Seahawks quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn, who ran the session, told the passers, "Just ease up and complete balls. Don't worry about anything else."

Brees was confused. Some quarterbacks took Zorn's advice and threw three-quarter-speed spirals to wideouts long after the receivers came out of their breaks. Balls like those would get picked off in a game, but they were safe passes in this arena. Brees stuck with his game plan and threw on rhythm. Some wideouts made sharp breaks, others didn't. Of Brees's 20 balls, 11 were solid throws and nine were poor. He one-hopped a simple out-cut and overthrew another. His long throws—the post-corner and the streak—were wobbly, setting off alarms throughout the league.

.....
Brees' poor showing at the combine didn't hurt him.
It looks to me, it was Keenum's injury on top of the lack of size that scare teams.
 
Stephen McGee (A&M) - hand size 9"
drafted in the 4th by the Cowboys in 09


Jimmy Clausen (ND) - hand size 9"
drafted in the 2nd by the Panthers

Zac Robinson (Okl St) hand size 9"
drafted in the 7th by NE

Chad Henne (UM) hand size 9"
drafted in the 2nd by Mia

John David Booty (USC) hand size 8-1/2
drafted in the 5th by Minn

Josh Johnson (SD) hand size 9"
drafted in the 5th by TB

Kevin O'Connell (SD St) hand size 8-7/8
drafted in the third by NE
 
Stephen McGee (A&M) - hand size 9"
drafted in the 4th by the Cowboys in 09


Jimmy Clausen (ND) - hand size 9"
drafted in the 2nd by the Panthers

Zac Robinson (Okl St) hand size 9"
drafted in the 7th by NE

Chad Henne (UM) hand size 9"
drafted in the 2nd by Mia

John David Booty (USC) hand size 8-1/2
drafted in the 5th by Minn

Josh Johnson (SD) hand size 9"
drafted in the 5th by TB

Kevin O'Connell (SD St) hand size 8-7/8
drafted in the third by NE

If someone thinks small hands matter (negative) to NFL success then you could not have provided them much better evidence.
 
IMO, Keenum will mysteriously sustain an injury towards the end of TC and be stored on IR for the season. Unless, of course, he ends up winning the #3 spot.
 
If someone thinks small hands matter (negative) to NFL success then you could not have provided them much better evidence.


One of the largest hand size measurements of any quarterback drafted in the first round was the 11¼" of Jim Druckenmiller. He was a bust, as was Heath Shuler (10 5/8"). Now Michael Vick at barely 6' ?........he should have problems handling a White Castle burger with his whopping 8 1/2" graspers.:)
 
It has been said that Keenum weakness was using only one half field when doing his reads. I think Texans can correct that over time. For me a 3rd string QB must project long term. I just don't see Beck getting much better but it could happen. I see more potential in Keenum.
 
One of the largest hand size measurements of any quarterback drafted in the first round was the 11¼" of Jim Druckenmiller. He was a bust, as was Heath Shuler (10 5/8"). Now Michael Vick at barely 6' ?........he should have problems handling a White Castle burger with his whopping 8 1/2" graspers.:)

Honestly, any measurable that you place out there is going to be suspect when taken in isolation. that's why I was questioning the guys that 76 used. pretty sure besides Vick there is some other good smalled handed QB. Just like there is probably some other sucky big handed QB besides Druckenmiller.
 
Honestly, any measurable that you place out there is going to be suspect when taken in isolation. that's why I was questioning the guys that 76 used. pretty sure besides Vick there is some other good smalled handed QB. Just like there is probably some other sucky big handed QB besides Druckenmiller.

I certainly understand your point...........that's why the smiley was attached. Keenum has some hurdles to overcome. But I believe that he is a QB Kubiak likes and could very well be taken under his wing. With Keenum's history of playing "intelligently" and Kubiaks guiding hand, I don't see it as far fetched that he could see promotion through the ranks, and quicker than most would think.
 
I certainly understand your point...........that's why the smiley was attached. Keenum has some hurdles to overcome. But I believe that he is a QB Kubiak likes and could very well be taken under his wing. With Keenum's history of playing "intelligently" and Kubiaks guiding hand, I don't see it as far fetched that he could see promotion through the ranks, and quicker than most would think.

:goodpost:

...and I believe Keenum's already under GK's warm feathers. I agree with those that say it's way too early to tell. That's only common sense especially when you take into consideration the other record breaking, stats racking QBs that have come out of UH prior to Case Keenum and flopped miserably in the NFL.

That being said, I see a few differences here. He's not being asked to sign the line then lead a team to glory after one training camp and preseason. He may or may not be PS'd but he will certainly be brought along slowly. He'll be thrown out there when he's ready, unless of coarse, we have 2011 all over again.

What are the odds of that? idonno:
 
If someone thinks small hands matter (negative) to NFL success then you could not have provided them much better evidence.

That's the problem with using "numbers" to quantify success.

I merely listed the QBs that were drafted since 2008 with same hand size as Keenum or smaller.

Out of some 10 QBs drafted in 08, the only one who has had a certain degree of success in the NFL is Matt Ryan.
(Joe Flacco is borderline).

From the 09 bunch, only Matt Stafford has gone anywhere, and from the 2010 bunch, none has made a name for himself so far.

Hand size, as long as it's not too small, shouldn't be a problem, is all I'm saying.

Heath Shuler has 10-5/8 hand size.
David Carr 9-3/4

On the other side, Jake Plummer's measured 9-1/4, same as Chris Chandler.
....

And as long as we're on sizes, you would think that guys like Weeden, Foles, and especially Osweiler (who was the tallest QB in this recent draft) would have fewer passes batted down than Keenum, but that wasn't the case.

Despite being under pressure more than any QBs in the last draft (the two guys I don't have many game tapes on were Coleman and Harnish), Keenum managed to have fewer balls batted down than any one of them (while throwing more passes).
 
It has been said that Keenum weakness was using only one half field when doing his reads. I think Texans can correct that over time. For me a 3rd string QB must project long term. I just don't see Beck getting much better but it could happen. I see more potential in Keenum.

That's another myth I really have to point out.
Keenum's pre-snap and post-snap reads are excellent.
He uses the entire field and he locates the open receiver quickly.

That's why his top 3 receivers had 96, 89 and 87 receptions (the guy with 96 receptions had the lower ypc, the guy with 87 had the highest ypc) and the top 2 RBs had 51 and 44 receptions (the Cougars didn't have a true TE last year).

Overall, Keenum threw to 17 different guys.
He spreads the wealth very well; you get open, you get the ball, period.
 
Overall, Keenum threw to 17 different guys.
He spreads the wealth very well; you get open, you get the ball, period.

And that's the stat(s) that matters most. Can a QB, whether he's a rookie or a veteran, display the ability to identify who is open and get the ball to the right person on every pass play? His history says he can.

Plus, we MIGHT be entering a really great era for Case to be a part of. We're rid of Jacoby Jones who was eating up snaps that guys like DeVier Posey and/or Lestar Jean will now enjoy. Keshawn Martin too. I think this is a great time for a guy like Case Keenum to enter the Texans roster.

The only downside is that he's 3rd man on the totem pole. And while it's nice to daydream about what Case "could" do for the Texans if he progresses as it's been theorized...nobody wants a scenario where Case is the starter in 2012. Yates rallied the team for the last part of 2011, but 2012 needs us to be stable with Schaub and Yates.

Still, he's a great long-term prospect at QB for us. The more the can sit and soak up the playbook and just watch and learn, the better.
 
That's another myth I really have to point out.
Keenum's pre-snap and post-snap reads are excellent.
He uses the entire field and he locates the open receiver quickly.

That's why his top 3 receivers had 96, 89 and 87 receptions (the guy with 96 receptions had the lower ypc, the guy with 87 had the highest ypc) and the top 2 RBs had 51 and 44 receptions (the Cougars didn't have a true TE last year).

Overall, Keenum threw to 17 different guys.
He spreads the wealth very well; you get open, you get the ball, period.
Good info and thanks. That is what I saw when I watched him but did read more than one article that he used only half field despite being in shotgun. There are many QBs who develop confidence in one side of field due to receiver and blocking. I still think Texans are a perfect fit.
 
He's going to be cut and P-squaded, or IR'd. I doubt any team picks him up to put on their 53-man roster and I'm sure Kubiak knows this.
 
He's going to be cut and P-squaded, or IR'd. I doubt any team picks him up to put on their 53-man roster and I'm sure Kubiak knows this.

It's not like teams don't sign a QB off another team PS.

LeFevour was drafted by the Chicago Bears in the sixth round (181st overall) of the 2010 NFL Draft. He struggled through the 2010 preseason, completing 19 of 41 passes (46.3%), with 204 pass yards, 1 TD 1 int, 6 Sacks, and 38 rush yards. Chicago signed veteran Todd Collins to be the 3rd string quarterback, and waived LeFevour after the 2010 preseason in hopes of placing him on the practice squad

LeFevour was claimed off waivers by the Cincinnati Bengals the next day, and spent the 2010 season as the third string quarterback, but did not see any action.
 
He's going to be cut and P-squaded, or IR'd. I doubt any team picks him up to put on their 53-man roster and I'm sure Kubiak knows this.
I can say just the opposite, claim Kubiak knows it and be just as accurate as you. Just opinions from guys who really have little info.

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Rudy Carpenter, 25, starred at Arizona State before signing with the Cowboys as an undrafted free agent in April 2009. After he was cut at the end of training camp, he joined the team's practice squad.

In November 2009, Tampa Bay signed him to its active roster.
 
I believe that Beck is nothing but a camp arm. I think that the single biggest factor in whether Keenum sticks on the 53 as our #3 (after his own performance) is Yates performance. If Yates looks really solid as our #2 and builds on what he did last year then I think Gary will be comfortable with him behind Schaub and with Keenum in the #3 slot. If Yates doesn't look like he's improved much or even just has some moments that make the coaches go "WTF?" then Gary will want a veteran in there somewhere and try to slip Keenum over to the practice squad.
 
I believe that Beck is nothing but a camp arm. I think that the single biggest factor in whether Keenum sticks on the 53 as our #3 (after his own performance) is Yates performance. If Yates looks really solid as our #2 and builds on what he did last year then I think Gary will be comfortable with him behind Schaub and with Keenum in the #3 slot. If Yates doesn't look like he's improved much or even just has some moments that make the coaches go "WTF?" then Gary will want a veteran in there somewhere and try to slip Keenum over to the practice squad.

Sounds very logical to me.
 
I believe that Beck is nothing but a camp arm. I think that the single biggest factor in whether Keenum sticks on the 53 as our #3 (after his own performance) is Yates performance. If Yates looks really solid as our #2 and builds on what he did last year then I think Gary will be comfortable with him behind Schaub and with Keenum in the #3 slot. If Yates doesn't look like he's improved much or even just has some moments that make the coaches go "WTF?" then Gary will want a veteran in there somewhere and try to slip Keenum over to the practice squad.
Agree and it seems logical that Gary would want Keenum to get as much work & coaching as possible
 
I believe that Beck is nothing but a camp arm. I think that the single biggest factor in whether Keenum sticks on the 53 as our #3 (after his own performance) is Yates performance. If Yates looks really solid as our #2 and builds on what he did last year then I think Gary will be comfortable with him behind Schaub and with Keenum in the #3 slot. If Yates doesn't look like he's improved much or even just has some moments that make the coaches go "WTF?" then Gary will want a veteran in there somewhere and try to slip Keenum over to the practice squad.

Prior to the OTA's my position was that it all depended on Matt's health.

If Matt is healthy, then any veteran brought in is a camp arm and we'll end up with Matt, TJ, and Case as our QBs.

If Matt is not healthy, then the vet brought in will be looked at as a #2 behind Yates to start the season.

However, word from the OTAs is that Matt looks like he's in good shape. So, unless there's some sort of meltdown or something, I expect us to go with Matt, TJ, and Case. If Case just doesn't look like he's getting it OR if Beck steps up and kicks ass, Case might get cut and placed on the PS.

TJ would have to meltdown pretty bad to lose the #2 job, I think.
 
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