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Former University of Houston QB Case Keenum agrees to a contract with the Texans
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And people act like Vince Young or Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith were worth a 1st round pick. Nobody knows how these players are going to play out. We don't even know if Andrew Luck will be a good pick. Case is in a position where he likely won't get much opportunity early on simply because he's tagged with being an undrafted 3rd stringer. That's his biggest hurdle at the moment.
I don't think anybody is acting like he's the next Tom Brady, but the the people who have never seen him play, or play very little, need to ease up on those who have seen him play every down he's ever played. Any scouting report that says he has a weak arm is from someone who shouldn't be in the scouting business. Period.
I hope it works out for Case, and I will be pulling for him, but as others have said, I don't want to see him on the field any time soon. Or TJ either for that matter. That's right, I hope to see that "weak armed" #8 for all 16 games (+) next season.
GP
Go Texans!
I'm having a hard time finding a good source on the Internet where we can see a list of UDFA QBs available.
There will be some free agent QBs who have been around for a few years, as well, but I haven't looked at that list (haven't searched it yet).
Granted, a lot of the older veteran QBs are not going to want to be QB3 and watch two youngsters at QB1 and QB2. But there should be a few camp arms out there who want a shot no matter if it's QB3 or QB7.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Vinnie
with an I E
I'm going on record now, I'm cool with TJ starting and Case backing him up.
Hopefully that reverse-curses Shaub's foot and he starts every game this season.
<---- BTW that's my boy wearing a Shaub jersey 4 years ago when people were clamering for Rosenfels. He's a strapping 8 year old now.
Hopefully that reverse-curses Shaub's foot and he starts every game this season.
<---- BTW that's my boy wearing a Shaub jersey 4 years ago when people were clamering for Rosenfels. He's a strapping 8 year old now.
I've Never seen him in a Single Game, and all I've read seemed to be extremely positive - so I went on Youtube looking for the negative. I especially enjoyed the Grudens QB Camp.
I am far from being an expert, but those are my Potential negatives:
- to me he has a strange looking release - no idea if that could be a problem
- he is going to get himself killed in the NFL. Definetly has to work on protecting himself.
- Takes some unnecessary risks that NFL. DBs will exploit. I know he rarely turned the Ball over in college, but several of his throws should've been intercepted.
Like I Said, I am no expert and haven't Seen nearly enough - so can someone who did elaborate on these points?
I am far from being an expert, but those are my Potential negatives:
- to me he has a strange looking release - no idea if that could be a problem
- he is going to get himself killed in the NFL. Definetly has to work on protecting himself.
- Takes some unnecessary risks that NFL. DBs will exploit. I know he rarely turned the Ball over in college, but several of his throws should've been intercepted.
Like I Said, I am no expert and haven't Seen nearly enough - so can someone who did elaborate on these points?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The college quarterback can be tackled, sacked, rushed, touched, and brushed. He is a player. He is one of 11 guys who plays football just like all the other players. It has been said that the NFL has protected its perfumed princes of the pocket to such a degree that it has taken away from the quality of the game. I tend not so much to worry about this aspect of his game. He's always been a scrapper, and now for once he would actually have a real offensive line. His injury history in his long college career has been scant.......a single mild concussion in 2010, and a torn ACL (also in the beginning of 2010) he experienced trying to play linebacker by tacking UCLA linebacker Akeem Ayers after an interception.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
How many quarterbacks can you not say that about? Yates? Schaub? P. Manning? Brady?........the determining statement is "rarely turns the ball over."
GP
Go Texans!
Thanks for the effort, Doc. The link will not open up a working Internet page for some reason.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Wolf
100% Texan
that is all it said and then jumped to another topic
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2012/jun/02/kubiak-has-faith-in-keenums-nfl-potential/?partner=RSS
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Eat em up, Eat em up, GO TEXANS GO!!!!!
ckhouston
Veteran
That's the only chance he has for a new contract with the Texans so I hope you are right. As much as I think Schaub is not a top tier NFL QB, I do hope he makes strides and comes back and kicks some ass this year. Anything to have a wining team on the field.
If not I see it being Yates with Beck backing him up and Keenum #3 for now. That would be if Matt had a set-back with his injury, or the "ahead of schedule" talk is a smoke-screen.
Kubiak
(on QB Case Keenum) “I tell you the thing that was impressive: his best time in OTAs came at the end of practice today, so that tells me that he’s getting better. I put him in a hurry-up environment and he went out there and was automatic with what he did. He’s learning. He’s figuring out all the spots and when he does that, I think he’s going to be very effective. I’ve been pleased. I think everything has been moving forward so I’ve been really pleased. Today made me really excited to see him be at his best.”
(on what QB Case Keenum needs to do in minicamp to be even better) “I’m going to give him a ton of reps. I’m going to take some of the older guys and just work them with (head strength and conditioning coach) Cedric (Smith). I’m going to keep the young guys out here next week. He’ll work as the two next week, so that will be good for him and just keep getting as many as he can.”
(on whether QB T.J. Yates or John Beck will get to sit out next week) “T.J. (Yates) will (sit out). John (Beck) needs more reps with the third team and what we’re doing. I’ll work John and Case (Keenum).”
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Yates will sit out next week along with most of the vets (the ones).
Keenum will work with the twos.
Beck will get more reps with the third team.
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“What I do at the back end of the OTAs with our mini-camp is I like to kind of dedicate that to our younger players, now that they know what we’re doing. They’re up to speed offensively and defensively, and our scouts and everybody in the organization can get a better feel of evaluating who can come help us come fall time.”
The three-day mini-camp will be June 12-14.
The veterans will be with strength and conditioning Coach Cedric Smith while the younger group will be going through mini camp.
(on QB Case Keenum) “I tell you the thing that was impressive: his best time in OTAs came at the end of practice today, so that tells me that he’s getting better. I put him in a hurry-up environment and he went out there and was automatic with what he did. He’s learning. He’s figuring out all the spots and when he does that, I think he’s going to be very effective. I’ve been pleased. I think everything has been moving forward so I’ve been really pleased. Today made me really excited to see him be at his best.”
(on what QB Case Keenum needs to do in minicamp to be even better) “I’m going to give him a ton of reps. I’m going to take some of the older guys and just work them with (head strength and conditioning coach) Cedric (Smith). I’m going to keep the young guys out here next week. He’ll work as the two next week, so that will be good for him and just keep getting as many as he can.”
(on whether QB T.J. Yates or John Beck will get to sit out next week) “T.J. (Yates) will (sit out). John (Beck) needs more reps with the third team and what we’re doing. I’ll work John and Case (Keenum).”
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Yates will sit out next week along with most of the vets (the ones).
Keenum will work with the twos.
Beck will get more reps with the third team.
...
“What I do at the back end of the OTAs with our mini-camp is I like to kind of dedicate that to our younger players, now that they know what we’re doing. They’re up to speed offensively and defensively, and our scouts and everybody in the organization can get a better feel of evaluating who can come help us come fall time.”
The three-day mini-camp will be June 12-14.
The veterans will be with strength and conditioning Coach Cedric Smith while the younger group will be going through mini camp.
Keenum can make all of the throws, or at least it appeared that way Thursday during the Texans 10th OTA session. He connected with receivers on a wide range of passes from short to intermediate to deep, and even some on which he had to scramble out of the pocket and make a throw from an awkward position, something he did plenty of in college.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/06/rave-reviews-for-texans-rookie-qb-case-keenum/
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/06/rave-reviews-for-texans-rookie-qb-case-keenum/
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Same here. I hope he gets a decent shot here but only because Schaub has led us to a few Super Bowl wins and is calling it quits.
Seriously though, I'm hoping these are real reports and not just hometown reporting. I'm curious how Yates and Beck are doing too.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
It's a given Yates makes the team. If Schaub makes it back, it'll be between Keenum and Beck for the 3rd slot.
That's going to be an interesting decision. I would think that Kubiak is going to think worse case scenario at some point picture the possibility that Schaub may get hurt again this year. In that case you can have Beck as the backup to Yates or a rookie in Keenum. Or you can roll the dice that Beck won't get picked up anywhere and you can always bring him back should that scenario play out.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Unless Keenum makes a sudden downturn in TC, there is no way that Kubiak takes the chance of putting him on the PS.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
My feelings as well.
I think we all know that the #2 spot is Yates' to lose. To Kubiak's credit, IMHO, he did bring in someone (Beck) who is hungry and could take the spot from him should he (Yates) get to "comfy" or not progress sufficiently.
If, during preseason, Beck shows he's nipping at Yates' heels, production-wise, he might just get snapped up right after the final cuts. I'd bet beer money that he would represent a #2 QB upgrade for more than one or two teams around the league.
I'm wondering if the safer bet is to try and sneak Keenum through waivers and sit him on the PS. He wasn't drafted so no one thought he was even worth a late round or compensatory pick. Then there's that whole -"he ain't tall enough" crap... He might be more likely to survive the waiver process than Beck is to likely to still be available if someone comes up lame during the year...
Tough call on which way to go...
I would think so as well, but I think a lot depends on Keenum's showing during the preseason. We all know Kubiak likes his pet QB projects so it would surprise me too to see him try to sneak him on the PS. If he's terrible in the preseason though he won't have to worry about that.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
This is why Keenum will make the roster. He has more upside.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
What?
Beck has played better than Keenum in OTAs. As he should given a head start.
Someone asked about CK in post-practice quotes, and Kubiak said nice things.
I think he's done nice things.
But nobody is going to grab CK off the practice squad unless they like short rookie QBs with no NFL experience to go on their game day roster. I think getting stashed on practice squad is his best chance barring injury from the guys ahead of him.
Too much sense.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
As an aside, I have much love for Case, but what I really wanna know about is Bill's current "case". Please post on that particular blog!!
badboy
Hall of Fame
Steph can you get a true height on Keenum? I understand he is closer to 6' 2".
6'5/8
I agree that Keenum will most likely end up on the PS.
Beck, however, as I watched him play last year for the Redskins, gave them no chance to win any game.
For a 30-yr old guy, I seriously doubt that he can turn it around.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Not to answer for Steph, but Keenum's height has been listed as anywhere from 6" 0" to 6' 2". His U of H official height was 6' 2" His official Combine height was 6' 1". His official Texans height is listed at 6' 1".
BTW, Beck was/is officially listed at the Combine and by the Texans at a towering 6' 2".
I've been on the record pre-draft as saying I didn't believe Case was anymore than a possible backup QB in the league. I still hold true to that even though I wish the best for the kid, especially now that he's a Texan. He does some things well that should allow him to be pretty decent in this offense. I don't think his height will be a huge issue with the way we get our QB out of the pocket. If he is going to make it then I think this offense is a pretty good one for him to be successful in.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Beck has tended to look good when not important, and MIA when called upon. It's without saying I respect Steph's expert read on things, but I still give Keenum a viable chance of overtaking Beck by the end of TC.
I felt the same way about Jason Allen. It took him awhile, but his play at the end of the year was much closer to where he should have been.
Then when Lienart was slated to step in for Schaub, we all repeated the same talking points..... with this offense, with Arian Foster, our QBs don't have to be MVPs. They just need to know their roles & get our playmakers involved.
If OD gets closer to his ProBowl form, if Casey becomes a better Joel Dressen, If Andre can play just two or three more games...... Beck doesn't need to give us a chance to win, he needs to not lose games for us..... that is all.
ckhouston
Veteran
I see Beck as more of a camp body that knows the system so can help guys like Keenum when it comes to the plays and just being in the NFL as a whole. If Keenum has the talent and is showing it well, as it appears he does, Gary knows it is in the teams best interest to keep him as the #3. Houston kid is a huge bonus but cant really play into the decision, it has to be performance and you would rather have a kid with a big upside if he is performing well, then a journeyman who never lived up to his potential.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think this idea the Texans are otherwise so good they don't need anything from their QB is being vastly overstated. Every team needs to convert 3rd and 7s and 3rd and 12s through the course of the season. Every team needs to step up the pace and rely on its passing game at some point in the season.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Beck has the Sage Rosenfels pedigree. Thought of nicely coming out of college but then going to the black hole quarterback sucks that have been Dolphin/Redskin QB development.
Not saying he is teh awesome, but with the Texans he gets to keep the same system, has no starter pressure, can get refinement on his skills.
You can see at OTAs he's someone that has had a lot of reps before.
Just speculating from observation, but I think that with Beck they are working on a lot of detail stuff and with Keenum they are working a lot on reads.
Can't really assess QBs too hard until there's a real pass rush. Nothing like hearing Rex Ryan talk about how good Sanchez looks in the pocket when they are all wearing shorts with no tackling.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
It's amazing that folks look at a "home town" product, and believe that three weeks of practices in helmets and shorts that are not open to outside observers (beyond a few media members) will convince other teams to reserve one out of 53 roster spots for someone when five years of college football, the NFL combine, U of H pro day, and the opportunity to bring him in for interviews/workouts did not even convince one of them to use a 7th round draft pick on him.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Exactly! Texans offense with Schaub vs. without Schaub should be enough to prove that point. It was night and day. You may not need a HOFer back there, but you do need someone who is a little better than "just manage the game", or you'll struggle to score 20, just like the Texans did when Schaub went down.
I completely agree. Just think it's funny how the conversation went when we thought Leinart(sp) was going to be our QB.
In your opinion, from what you've seen, how are his leadership skills? Does he have "it" how do the guys respond to him?
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
There's nothing to judge that one way or another from watching them throw the ball around.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Thanks, shorter than I thought.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Keenum passed for 6800 yards and 48 TDs in 3A in Abiline Texas. He also ran for 41 scores and 2,000 yards.
In college he passed for 19,217 155 TDs and only 46 INTs. He also ran for 900 and 23 TDs. He needs to refine to NFL but has the coaching to do so. He excels when he is under pressure. Certainly he now has NFL competition but he Also Has the Houston Texans blocking, catching and running for him.
Think I'll keep watching him for a bit.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Keenum passed for 6800 yards and 48 TDs in 3A in Abiline Texas. He also ran for 41 scores and 2,000 yards.
In college he passed for 19,217 155 TDs and only 46 INTs. He also ran for 900 and 23 TDs. He needs to refine to NFL but has the coaching to do so. He excels when he is under pressure. Certainly he now has NFL competition but he Also Has the Houston Texans blocking, catching and running for him.
Think I'll keep watching him for a bit.
None of that has anything to do with my post (he had done all of that prior to the draft as best I can recall). I just think it's unlikely he'll do anything to change that perception in TC/preseason.
For the record, I view him as not getting picked up on waivers as a good thing since I'm a Case fan in addition to a Texans fan - I'm simply asking why are so many folks so positive Case would get picked up on waivers, when history has shown that to be highly unlikely.
I wish there was some statistic as to how many qb's were on practice squads last year.
I don't see a bunch of teams picking up qb's off of practice squads.
This is what I was attempting to point out. If it were me rolling the dice, I'd keep Beck on the roster and take the shot that no one will snap up Keenum during the waiver process.
I mean, having our two backup QBs with just one year of NFL experience between them sounds a little risky to me.
Having John Beck as a backup is about as risky as it gets.