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Former University of Houston QB Case Keenum agrees to a contract with the Texans

Rey said:
Good pick up...

But it's a far cry from being number 1 overall to being undrafted....

Just messing wit ya 76...

But seriously...I like this pick up a lot...
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Hey, I'm realistic.
I never did contest it when you said he could go undrafted.
I know it was a very real possibility.

This is a perfect ending to the draft season.

Being an UDFA means that he can choose a team that he likes (if that team also likes him).

It beats having some other team drafting him and we end up regretting it.

This way, there will be no regret.
I'm very happy to see him in Texans uni.
 
Hervoyel said:
Suicide pact. Vince throws a ball that hits a target.... wait, no that isn't gonna work. JJ catches a...... no, that's just as bad.

They're gonna need a really simple suicide machine.
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I agree. We need to keep it really simple.

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I think more QBs fail for not having it between their ears rather than what's between elbow and shoulder.

Now sign Jean-Baptiste NT
 
Marcus said:
Good! Maybe we could get VY and JJ to commit suicide together.
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Hervoyel said:
Suicide pact. Vince throws a ball that hits a target.... wait, no that isn't gonna work. JJ catches a...... no, that's just as bad.

They're gonna need a really simple suicide machine.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I agree. We need to keep it really simple.

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First of all, you guys are gruesome.

Second, and more importantly, you're wasting resources. Why miss the opportunity to send J.J. to the Titans. and V.Y. to the Jags.

I swear, you guys don't think these things through...
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Dutchrudder said:
Someone needs to teach him how to make animated gifs.

I'm happy for Case, I hope he gets a fair chance to prove himself.
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I need to know that.
I did also ask if anybody can walk me through as how to post videos on youtube without none of that copyright worrisome.
 
Lucky said:
I see pages of screen captures by 76Texan in this thread's future.
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Like Corrosion said, and there are others who appreciate them as well, screen captures serve a different purpose than vids.

They can be great visual aids; I wouldn't bother posting them if there weren't demands for them.
 
speedfreek said:
for those arm-strength types..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQo0DBRKVfE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL2C7B94CE4948419E

He throws 3 50+ in the air that hit the receiver in stride..

For those that don't follow UH football, UH-Rice is a rivalry with as much vitriol as Texans-Titans..

TJ
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I don't think Keenum has arm strength issues, but arm strength isn't as much about the long ball as it is about the short and intermediate balls.

Arm strength comes into play more when a guy can't fit balls into tight windows in short space. Not putting as much air under the ball. Being able to zing it...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Case used the shotgun to his advantage (easier to see over the DL/OL). He will probably be asked to take snaps under center more often.
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He's also going to have to get used to the rythm of this offense. He's going to have to slow himself down which might be a little difficult at first.
 
Texn4life said:
76!!!! We're going to find out what your boy is made of. Now that he's a Texan I hope that he proves me wrong.
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Hey, I've been in Houston since 1976, hence the SN Texan 76.
The only other QB from UH that I really like was Danny Davis who led the Coogs to the championship in the old SWC (the conference that preceeded the Big 12) in his sophomore year.
Davis was hurt the next year against powerhouse Penn St. but he came back his Senior year to lead us to another SWC championship.
We ran the veer back then (the origin - kind of - of the option game in college football today).
Still, Davis managed to send a receiver and a TE to the NFL.

I never did think highly of Ware nor Klinger, and you know how high they were drafted. (I wanted to be happy for them, but...)

Kolb, I said he needs to get rid of the ball sooner (than he did in college) if he was going to be any good in the NFL.

I was never a homer.

The Texans will benefit from Keenum even if he only runs the scout team; I'll tell you the reasons why when I have some time.
 
Hervoyel said:
What I'm saying is that there has been not a single "measurable" presented that would prevent him from succeeding in the NFL.
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I think there is. I believe Keenum's release is too show. While Brees may not have a strong arm by NFL standards, he does have a relatively quick release. Keenum doesn't. It's this critical difference that makes Brees an NFL star and Keenum a long-shot to make an NFL roster.

I don't want to belabor this issue with you because I share your sentiments and hope the rookie makes me eat my words. I just don't see it.
 
NastyNate said:
Show me a play where Shaub throws over 45 yards... I'll wait. WCO doesn't need some spread guy that can air it out 75 yards. We couldn't even use that. What WR do we even have with that kind of speedster ability?

Yall really need to quit regurgitating everything you read off of draft boards. Has never had a season less than 65% completion rate and his last two FULL seasons were both over 70%. Throws his receivers open, has football IQ, and will make it in the NFL.
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Not sure what I'm regurgitating. I'm directed to a video of an 80 yard bomb that proves Case's arm strength and end up with something totally different that proves nothing. I'm happy we got him and hopes he makes the team.
 
Hervoyel said:
Undersized, lacks arm strength, system QB..... Drew Brees had all of that said about him too.

There is no tangible impediment to Keenum making it in the NFL. All that stuff that gets regurgitated is just the standard parroted bull**** that people read and repeat. It just takes one writer or blogger to start it.

It's really all about whether or not he's got it upstairs and if he's that kind of competitor. If he's got what it takes to do it mentally then he has the tools to make it happen. If he doesn't then he could be David Carr for all that it mattered.

He'll get a chance and I hope he can capitalize on it.
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Well said Hervoyel. I really like the signing. I'm a Cougars fan also so I was happy when I found out. I hope he makes it.
 
TexansFanatic said:
I think there is. I believe Keenum's release is too show. While Brees may not have a strong arm by NFL standards, he does have a relatively quick release. Keenum doesn't. It's this critical difference that makes Brees an NFL star and Keenum a long-shot to make an NFL roster.

I don't want to belabor this issue with you because I share your sentiments and hope the rookie makes me eat my words. I just don't see it.
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TF, in one of the thread in the college or mock draft forum, I had refered to a game in which the analyst commented that Keenum has the quickest realease since Dan Marino.

Personally, I've also stated as much.
But it's not just the realease.

If you compare Weeden and Keenum for example, from the time the ball is snapped (they both played basically out of the shotgun last year) to the time the ball leaves the hand of the QB on each different throw (whether it's a quick out, a slant, a swing pass, a deep out, a post, a corner route, whatever), Keenum got the ball out of there a whole lot sooner than Weeden - and he was still more accurate.
 
I think Case Keenum's biggest problem is the stigma of being a QB from UH and putting up huge numbers. Everyone looks at him and sees Ware and Klingler and remember how badly their NFL careers turned out.

I've only got to see a few UH games on TV. And what I saw, I liked. I think he's a gutsy kid that never gives up. He had better velocity on his throws than I expected and better accuracy.

I fully expect one of two things to happen:

1) If Matt goes on PUP, I expect us to pick up another Veteran QB for the first part of the season. I expect TJ to be the starter, the Vet to be #2, and Case to be #3.

2) If Matt doesn't go on PUP, I expect us to go with TJ, Matt, and Case. TJ may start the first couple of games of the season until Matt's good to go.

Either way, I expect Case to end up as our #3.
 
Right now there are only three QBs going into camp, Yates, Keenum and Schaub if he's ready. I would think they'd want a 4th QB from somewhere.
 
Thorn said:
Right now there are only three QBs going into camp, Yates, Keenum and Schaub if he's ready. I would think they'd want a 4th QB from somewhere.
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I expect Delhomme or Garcia to come back. OR we grab a camp arm.

Maybe two because I've got a feeling Matt's not going to be throwing, yet.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I expect Delhomme or Garcia to come back. OR we grab a camp arm.

Maybe two because I've got a feeling Matt's not going to be throwing, yet.
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I'm thinking Delhomme. He's still pretty useful as a trainer for the young QBs and can actually still play in an emergency. If Schaub is healthy, and that's still a big if, I hope they keep Keenum on team somehow. He's got terrific potential if he is given then time to learn and train. And under Kubiak and his staff, he'll get training thats about as good as it gets.
 
Thorn said:
I'm thinking Delhomme. He's still pretty useful as a trainer for the young QBs and can actually still play in an emergency. If Schaub is healthy, and that's still a big if, I hope they keep Keenum on team somehow. He's got terrific potential if he is given then time to learn and train. And under Kubiak and his staff, he'll get training thats about as good as it gets.
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While that's all true, Garcia's wife, the playboy bunny and playmate of the year 2004, is smoking hot and that has to be taken into consideration.
 
Keenum has a quicker release than Tony Romo, the guy with supposedly the fastest release in the NFL.

ESPN did a thing showing Keenum's release side-by-side with Romo's in 2009 when the unranked cougars went to stillwater and beat the #5 OSU cowboys with keenum at the helm.

Everyone in the press that's been saying things about "arm strength", "wind up", "release", etc. simply haven't watched the guy enough to know..

TJ



TexansFanatic said:
I think there is. I believe Keenum's release is too show. While Brees may not have a strong arm by NFL standards, he does have a relatively quick release. Keenum doesn't. It's this critical difference that makes Brees an NFL star and Keenum a long-shot to make an NFL roster.

I don't want to belabor this issue with you because I share your sentiments and hope the rookie makes me eat my words. I just don't see it.
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I just got home and Go Coogs! We got Case!!

Hervoyel said:
It's really all about whether or not he's got it upstairs and if he's that kind of competitor. If he's got what it takes to do it mentally then he has the tools to make it happen.
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Case's greatest asset is his intelligence and decision making. He most certainly has it upstairs. I have seen Case play in probably every game while he was at UH and he always impressed me with his quick decision making as the play unfolded.
 
IMO opinion, Keenums greatest asset is his unbelievable ability to keep a play alive with his legs. The guy is almost unsackable if he can see what side the pressure is coming from.

He would be DEVASTATING in Kubiak's roll-out schemes as he can throw with great accuracy running out of the pocket.

TJ
 
76Texan said:
I need to know that.
I did also ask if anybody can walk me through as how to post videos on youtube without none of that copyright worrisome.
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I don't consider myself very adept at it, but I could probably get you started in the right direction. Make a thread in the tech section and I'm sure plenty of people will give advice.
 
I am saying this right now, and trust me I am not a Cougar homer...

Case Keenum will be starting for the Texans in 3 years...

They will let him sit under Schaub and learn the offense and he will take the job from TJ Yates. Everything I have seen in him has Kubiak written all over him, EXCEPT for the height. Kubiak likes tall QBs but in Kubiaks system, Keenum can be very successful.....
 
utahmark said:
That pass went about 45 yards in the air. Not sure how that proves anything.
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cause he was running forward, didnt get to plant his foot and throw, he did that effortlessely !!! The boy can play, same critics were saying the same crap about Foster when he went undrafted, now look at him. And i dont mean people on here i mean the experts.
 
Just proves that some scouting report you read about a guy and actually watching the same guy play the game, are two totally seperate things.

Anyone who thinks Case has arm strength issues, is inaccurate, or has a slow release, hasn't seen the guy play more than a snap or two, if that much.

Anyway, disappointed he didn't get drafted, but happy he's a Texan.
 
Kubiak said he came away impressed with Keenum after a private workout earlier this month.

“If other teams had seen him work out for us, he would have been drafted,” Kubiak said. “He was a sponge when I was telling him things. He picked them up right away.”
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Kubiak said he came away impressed with Keenum after a private workout earlier this month.

“If other teams had seen him work out for us, he would have been drafted,” Kubiak said. “He was a sponge when I was telling him things. He picked them up right away.”
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...and yet Kubiak, who did work him out, didn't spend a pick on him

...guess it all worked itself out in the end though
 
ObsiWan said:
...and yet Kubiak, who did work him out, didn't spend a pick on him

...guess it all worked itself out in the end though
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Evidently, Kubiak felt that we had more need at other positions for one of our formal draft picks. Keenum was grabbed right after the draft was completed.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Everything I have seen in him has Kubiak written all over him...
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Keenum probably reminds Kubiak of himself. Smart, good athlete, average arm. Kubiak didn't play in the wide open offense that Case ran. Other than that, very similar QBs.

The Pencil Neck said:
I think Case Keenum's biggest problem is the stigma of being a QB from UH and putting up huge numbers.
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Texas Tech ran a similar offense for years, their QBs put up tremendous numbers, but couldn't make NFL rosters. Keenum is going to be compared to those guys, as well. What the NFL teams are missing is Case's plus athleticism. He entered UH as a running QB and became a passer under Briles and Kingsbury. Keenum routinely made plays with his feet earlier in his career, and that will show more with the bootlegs and playaction in the Texans offense.
Rey said:
Arm strength comes into play more when a guy can't fit balls into tight windows in short space. Not putting as much air under the ball. Being able to zing it...
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It's also about timing, which Keenum had with his UH receivers and didn't at the combine. If you don't have timing, you better have a rocket arm. Which is why a dud QB like Jordan Jefferson looked good at the combine.
76Texan said:
They can be great visual aids; I wouldn't bother posting them if there weren't demands for them.
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Relax, I'm just having a little fun with ya.
 
ObsiWan said:
...and yet Kubiak, who did work him out, didn't spend a pick on him

...guess it all worked itself out in the end though
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You have to know the draft and understand where a guy can be drafted (or signed later). Could be that Smithiak are becoming more expert in this area?
 
who cares if he went undrafted, i hope and pray we become the kings of getting undrafted players who become Hall of Famers, means we save lots of money not having to pay big 1st round bucks, look smart, have plenty to choose from :)

You dont have to be drafted to be a good players, funny that over half the guys drafted every first round become busts, and 3/4 in the draft total become are busts.
 
"system quarterback...didn't have to go against SEC defenses.."

A lot of excuses for why not to draft the guy, but his arm is there...
 
speedfreek said:
IMO opinion, Keenums greatest asset is his unbelievable ability to keep a play alive with his legs. The guy is almost unsackable if he can see what side the pressure is coming from.

He would be DEVASTATING in Kubiak's roll-out schemes as he can throw with great accuracy running out of the pocket.

TJ
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First, let me join in the excitement of my fellow Coogs. I am elated that Case and the Texans managed to hook-up.

Second, I agree, Speedfreek. That elusiveness and pocket presence is what will be his greatest asset to the Texans. He should be great competition for Yates as the back-up and who knows what the future holds.
 
drunkcookie said:
"system quarterback...didn't have to go against SEC defenses.."
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Keenum did face two SEC teams, defeating Mississippi State on the road in 2009 and nearly rallying the Coogs to a win (after being down 23-0) in Tuscaloosa as a freshman, way back in 2007.
 
drunkcookie said:
"system quarterback...didn't have to go against SEC defenses.."

A lot of excuses for why not to draft the guy, but his arm is there...
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All those highly coveted Big 10 players selected in Texans draft

Keenum dominated ranked Big 10 school Penn State in an actual bowl game

Keenum/CUSA >> Big 10 (not necessarily, but...)

A bit of irony that Keenum beat the conference Texans coveted most. And Whitney Mercilus and Devier Posey didnt go against any SEC or Big 12 schools (last year at least)

NFL is hardcore, but I don't see Texans pissing off the fan base cutting Keenum preseason. A conservative outlook is he gets a complimentary practice squad signing for at least a few weeks. Some "Alex Brink" treatment.
 
speedfreek said:
IMO opinion, Keenums greatest asset is his unbelievable ability to keep a play alive with his legs. The guy is almost unsackable if he can see what side the pressure is coming from.

He would be DEVASTATING in Kubiak's roll-out schemes as he can throw with great accuracy running out of the pocket.

TJ
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Yah, i have to agree with him keeping plays alive with his feet... His junior year playing at Baylor he did it a couple of times...led to a game winning FG as time expired... Of course it was the 2004 class 3A state championship game in Waco, and it was my guys he beat...i hate you Keenum!
 
Just now seeing this.

We need more QBs, so this was a win-win for us. He's a UDFA and a local guy who ain't scared to throw the ball.

I like it. Cherry on top, as someone else said. Now we need a RB off UDFA too.
 
Rey said:
I don't think Keenum has arm strength issues, but arm strength isn't as much about the long ball as it is about the short and intermediate balls.

Arm strength comes into play more when a guy can't fit balls into tight windows in short space. Not putting as much air under the ball. Being able to zing it...
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^^This^^

& arm strength is what saves a QB when he can't set up perfectly to throw the ball, or get proper follow through.. which is actually a high percentage of throws for most QBs.
 
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