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Sean Payton suspended one year.

I also heard on NFLN a little earlier that there was at least one instance of a person outside of the Saints organization contributing to the bounty. I think they mentioned someone contributed $5K. We have no idea who that was, but when outside elements get involved, it's a whole new ball game...
 
Goodell said himself that Payton lied to him and that Payton knew about it and that it included injury to players...what more do you want?

See, I never heard that. I thought Williams came clean but Payton knew of it but not of what was directly involved. My issue is how are they drawing the line of who "knew" of trying to injure vs hit hard to make a play. I understand the message when injuring but a large group of ex players already said that their teams just had side bets like this with interceptions, hard hits, etc. I just think this is a very slippery slope. Goodell just shouldn't put it under the umbrella of safety when he has shown he can't think straight on safety....i.e. 18 game season.
 
The Saints are now going to pay for the wrong doings by the one and only Gregg Williams.

I've said it many a times, I'm sooo happy we didn't bring him in here
 
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I disagree. This "bounty" is akin to doing an extra credit project like when we were in school. You can take up the challenge and go for the extra credit or you can choose not to.

This bounty thing wasn't an "order" it was an "offer". The players could take it or leave it on the table. Their call.

And from what I have read about the bounty, the players put up money for the pool. So if they put money into the pool, they are culpable.
 
I also heard on NFLN a little earlier that there was at least one instance of a person outside of the Saints organization contributing to the bounty. I think they mentioned someone contributed $5K. We have no idea who that was, but when outside elements get involved, it's a whole new ball game...

That was in an email to Sean Payton, someone sent an email to him saying to put him in for $5k. When confronted with the email, Payton admitted he knew about it.
 
ain't the same league as in the 70's. I think it is one thing to have the players have a little pool but when you have management directing your guys to hurt someone, you are totally, totally, totally crossing the line. Your Son plays football...why do you think that this is ok or is it ok that if your son ever played in the NFL you would be ok with team management schemeing to break his leg or put him out of the game with a concussion? Is that what you are saying? You think this game is too soft a game because its not ok to intentionally hurt someone?

I don't know, man...Mario got a $100 million to do what? Knock the ever living crap out of QBs.

It's a fine line. Not condoning a bounty program, but in the big picture, there is not a whole lot of difference between it and paying a dude mad money to achieve the exact same end result.

We are kidding ourselves if we do not recognize the basic fact that we cheer as fans when one of our defensive players slams an opposing QB to the ground. I have been to way too many NFL games and felt the crowd's reaction to those hits.

I think you are reading to much into my words with the stuff about my son. That's too much assumption. I'm just making observations about the bi-polar nature of the NFL these days and how they market the product that they are selling us.

Heck, my son has been trained to cut block in a zone scheme, something still legal in the NFL in spite of the on-going debate regarding it's potential to hurt defenders. It's only a matter of time before the NFL outlaws this technique.

They tell these players that it's "war" and they are "going into battle". You know the locker room rhetoric. Considering opponents "enemies" and other phrases borrowed from war and conflict.

Mixed signals. Now it's be mean! But not too mean. Hit hard! But not too hard.

Again, I was clear in my initial message that I do not condone a bounty program. But, I do see a paradox in the way this league operates.

I read DB as saying how the league is bi polar on the issue.

Not that he condones either position, but how the league puts out conflicting messages. Hard for the players to know what is ok or not based on that.

My thoughts exactly. I bought DVDs from the NFL just a few years ago. It was not too long ago that the league celebrated big, nasty hits. It's the football we grew up on. Now there is a clear agenda to promote offense, protect offensive players, and it's about selling product to make money.

Look at Amazon.com right now:

NFL: Moment of Impact (2007)

"First you hear the breathing, then you feel the wind coming through your helmet's ear hole. Suddenly you're down, and you're looking through your helmet's ear hole. Pain? That's for tomorrow morning. Right now you've gotta focus - focus on the next play and try not to focus on the next Moment of Impact. Moment of Impact takes you through the rugged world of the NFL like never before. You'll go into the huddle, up to the line, and under the pile with some of the game's roughest customers - men like Ray Lewis, Patrick Kearney, John Lynch and Michael Strahan. You'll meet some of the greatest defensive units of all time and find out which teams have a "tradition by position". But hard-hitting isn't limited to defense - we'll take a look at offensive players who can dish it out as well as they can take it as well as the art of being a "gunner" on special teams. Presented by NFL Films, Moment of Impact combines exclusive player-wires as well as game sound and interviews to provide an intense football experience you just can't get on Sunday afternoons. Buy yours today!"
 
Goodell said himself that Payton lied to him and that Payton knew about it and that it included injury to players...what more do you want?

And this is a big part of why the penalties are so severe. They lied about it, and then failed to follow up on the NFL's initial inquiry into this. The Saints were told to end the program after their Super Bowl season (a directive that not only didn't come with a punishment attached, but wasn't made public). Today we see that the list of targeted QB's included Cam Newton - meaning it continued throughout this past season.
 
I also heard on NFLN a little earlier that there was at least one instance of a person outside of the Saints organization contributing to the bounty. I think they mentioned someone contributed $5K. We have no idea who that was, but when outside elements get involved, it's a whole new ball game...

I'm guessing your talking about this guy -

One name stood out among the accused parties in the Saints' bounty scandal. Mike Ornstein.
How a two-time felon could surface in the landmark probe has puzzled Saints fans, many of whom wonder how a team that champions a commitment to character in the locker room could foster a relationship with a known criminal, albeit one of the white-collar variety.

If nothing else, it indicates a glaring case of bad judgment by the team's brain trust.

My guess is not only did this component eliminate this instance from the "Everybody's doing it" defense, it contributed to what I characterize as a perfect storm type combination of rule-breaking, lieing and stupidity that cost Payton and Williams so much.

LINK
 
While it is shocking, I cant say I'll shed a tear, or feel sorry for them I never have , and never will be a Saints fan. :kitten:
 
I don't know, man...Mario got a $100 million to do what? Knock the ever living crap out of QBs.
no, Mario got paid to play football - something your son does. He isn't paid to hurt people on purpose. I played football too but I'd be shocked that some coach told a player to hurt me on purpose. Good clean hard hits are one thing, but having the people running the league telling you to give some guy a concussion or break a leg is thug behavior and evil if you ask me. I'd quote the rest of your post but I'm a fan of big hits and physical play too...but I am a fan of clean football, not dirty thug-like behavior being condoned by the people in charge (so that is all I take to task in your post). If a few guys go over the top that's one thing and you can't stop that, but once the people in charge cross the line and let it be known that the league is just another version of throwing Christians to the Lions I'm out...I'm not a fan of intentional pain and suffering. There is enough of that with clean play and a few guys pushing the envelope too far.
 
no, Mario got paid to play football - something your son does. He isn't paid to hurt people on purpose. I played football too but I'd be shocked that some coach told a player to hurt me on purpose. Good clean hard hits are one thing, but having the people running the league telling you to give some guy a concussion or break a leg is thug behavior and evil if you ask me. I'd quote the rest of your post but I'm a fan of big hits and physical play too...but I am a fan of clean football, not dirty thug-like behavior being condoned by the people in charge (so that is all I take to task in your post). If a few guys go over the top that's one thing and you can't stop that, but once the people in charge cross the line and let it be known that the league is just another version of throwing Christians to the Lions I'm out...I'm not a fan of intentional pain and suffering. There is enough of that with clean play and a few guys pushing the envelope too far.

I agree with you in principle, man, which is why I said it's a fine line between the two.

As far as hurting people on purpose, I have always understood that there is a difference between hurting someone and injuring someone. I think most defenders want to hurt someone. I do not think most of them want to injure another player.

Old school quotes not really applicable but funny anyway:

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault."
~ Jack Tatum


"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important – like a league game."
~ Dick Butkus
 
The players are paid to play football and win games. That includes the physical nature of the sport of tackling, hitting players and forcing fumbles.

But what a bounty system does is support the concept of HURTING an opposing player. That is beyond unsportsmanlike right there. Football is physical enough as it is, purporsely hurting someone is not football.

Plus you get into the whole notion of extra money to players for their play on the field. This circumvents their contract, NFL rules and the salary cap. What is to prevent an McNair from saying, "Cushing, here is your contract for $2 million per year for the next five years. But if you give Peyton a concussion or get him taken out of the game... there's an extra $2 million in cash from my pocket to yours." Yes that's grossly exhagerated but having a pool of money for players to do something circumvents the salary cap. You can't pay players anything outside of what their contract states.

What's going to be interesting is when this investigation leads to finding these cash payments being made and the players not reporting it on their tax return. Now you've got the IRS after them for tax evasion.

:cheese:
 
I was shocked at the penalties, but to be honest I think it's justified. And this will put a very quick end to any other bounty programs.

DB has a point. It is a fine line - but there IS a line. It's like boxing in a way. You can have a good clean boxing fight where both guys come out of it bloodied but you know it was clean...or you can have Mike Tyson biting off someone's ear.

To me it's kind of like falling in love. You can't truly describe it but you know it when you feel it...ie the difference between lust and love. When I see a hard, clean hit, I love it too, but when I see a dirty hit I get ill. Players can and do get injured with clean hits, or even no hits all the time. But for a team and staff to incentivize it with monatary gifts reminds me of the movie The Running Man
. It is beyond the pale and something that should never be condoned or tolerated.
 
no, Mario got paid to play football - something your son does. He isn't paid to hurt people on purpose. I played football too but I'd be shocked that some coach told a player to hurt me on purpose. Good clean hard hits are one thing, but having the people running the league telling you to give some guy a concussion or break a leg is thug behavior and evil if you ask me. I'd quote the rest of your post but I'm a fan of big hits and physical play too...but I am a fan of clean football, not dirty thug-like behavior being condoned by the people in charge (so that is all I take to task in your post). If a few guys go over the top that's one thing and you can't stop that, but once the people in charge cross the line and let it be known that the league is just another version of throwing Christians to the Lions I'm out...I'm not a fan of intentional pain and suffering. There is enough of that with clean play and a few guys pushing the envelope too far.

I agree with you in principle, man, which is why I said it's a fine line between the two.

As far as hurting people on purpose, I have always understood that there is a difference between hurting someone and injuring someone. I think most defenders want to hurt someone. I do not think most of them want to injure another player.

Old school quotes not really applicable but funny anyway:

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault."
~ Jack Tatum


"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important – like a league game."
~ Dick Butkus

We were always told "football isn't a contact sport, it's a collision sport..."

People get hurt and injured in collisions...

I never set out to injur someone, but I damn sure wanted to hurt folks. I wanted to hit people so hard that they had to get out of the game. I didn't want to break bones or anything like that and I never even thought about concsussions until someone got one....

But I did want to knock the crap out of folks and see them slow to get up....

If they were injured so be it...If they took the hits and kept getting back up, so be it...
 
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wow...I don't know if I have ever heard of a year suspension for a head coach.

Flip side: They still have a Lombardi trophy, though. I could live with it if I was a Saints fan.

Not that I'm condoning what occurred by any means...just sayin', that championship trophy is what the game is all about.

This league is bi-polar. I've got DVDs sold by the NFL that celebrate big, brutal hits, most of which would be considered illegal today. I've seen recent documentaries on NFLN about Al Davis ("If you ain't cheating, you aren't trying") and the 'roided up Steelers teams of the '70's.

It's an interesting paradox to see a league celebrate it's brutal past as they try to transform themselves into something nice and softer.

Don't mind me...just a cynic sittin' in the corner plopping out brain droppings without a filter right now...train of thought stuff...

They should have stripped it from them too ....

Funny we hear that this bounty thing is unprecedented .... How quickly we forget that Buddy Ryan did this same thing when he was here in Houston , I recall players speaking openly of it at the time .... particularly a special teams player. (remember the army helmet?).
Then again with Ryan in Philly some years later ....

I think every one of them involved , both players and coaches. should be banned from the league for life. Intentionally attempting to injure another player is just going .... too far.
 
I never liked the cut of Greg Williams jib. Seems like an odd duck. Now we find out he's a masochistic freak. And Peyton seemed equally odd to me. But I figured that was because he allegedly enjoys getting tight with a Vike or two. I believe that was a phrase originally coined by Brett Farve. He went into rehab for pills back in the day.
 
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Bounties have been around for years throughout the league on a much smaller basis...lot of hypocrites out there

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99% of NO hits I see on ESPN are legal hits...are we still celebrating Big Hits?
 
Let this be a lesson to all NFL teams. Lie to Roger Goddell and he will **** you up. He takes no prisoners and doesn't care who you are.
 
The NFL's statement on the evidence against the team.

The statement released by the NFL on Wednesday listed the following findings in the investigation:

1. The Saints defensive team operated a pay-for-performance/bounty program, primarily funded by players, during the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons. Under that program, players regularly made cash "donations" to a pool, and were "fined" for mental errors, loafing, penalties, and the like. At least one assistant coach (defensive coordinator Williams) also occasionally contributed to the pool. There is no evidence that any club money was contributed to the program.

2. Payments were made for plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries. All such payments are against league rules. Payments also were made for plays on which opposing players were injured. In addition, specific players were sometimes targeted. The investigation showed bounties being placed on four quarterbacks of opposing teams - Brett Favre, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Kurt Warner. Multiple sources have confirmed that several players pledged funds toward bounties on specific opposing players, with defensive captain Jonathan Vilma offering $10,000 to any player who knocked Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game in 2010.

3. Coach Williams acknowledged that he designed and implemented the program with the assistance of certain defensive players. He said that he did so after being told by Payton that his assignment was to make the defense "nasty." coach Williams described his role as overseeing record keeping, defining payout amounts, deciding on who received payouts, and distributing envelopes with cash to players who "earned" rewards.

4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category. In the January 16, 2010 divisional playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals, Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players. The following week, in the NFC Championship Game against the Minnesota Vikings, Saints defensive players were assessed $30,000 in fines for four separate illegal hits, several of which were directed against quarterback Brett Favre.

5. Coach Williams now acknowledges that when he was first questioned about this matter in early 2010 he intentionally misled NFL investigators and made no effort to stop the program after he became aware of the league's investigation.

6. Coach Williams further confirmed that the program continued during the 2010 and 2011 seasons, and that he occasionally contributed funds to the pool in each of those seasons.

7. Assistant Head Coach/Defense Vitt acknowledged that he was aware of the program in 2009-2011. He admitted that, when interviewed in 2010, he "fabricated the truth" to NFL investigators and denied that any pay-for- performance or bounty program existed at the Saints.

8. Coach Vitt said one of his primary roles was to monitor the activity of coach Williams. This was based on the direction of coach Payton, who apparently had less than full confidence in coach Williams. Despite coach Vitt's knowledge of the bounty program, his understanding of the terms "knock- out" and "cart-off," his witnessing coach Williams handing out envelopes that he believed to contain cash, and his acknowledgement that the defensive meeting preceding the 2010 NFC Championship Game may have "got out of hand" with respect to Brett Favre, coach Vitt claimed he never advised either coach Payton or general manager Loomis of the "pay-for-performance/bounty" program.

9. A summary prepared following a Saints preseason game included the statement, "1 Cart-off - Crank up the John Deer (sic) Tractor" in reference to a hit on an opposing player. Similar statements are reflected in prepared documents or slides in connection with other games in multiple seasons. A review of the game films confirms that opposing players were injured on the plays identified in the documents.

10. When interviewed in 2012, Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints� opening game in 2011, coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, "PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic)." When shown the email during the course of the investigation, coach Payton stated that it referred to a "bounty" on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

11. In early 2010, Mr. Loomis advised coach Payton that the league office was investigating allegations concerning a bounty program. Coach Payton said that he met with his top two defensive assistants, coach Williams and coach Vitt, in advance of the interview with league investigators and told them, "Let's make sure our ducks are in a row." Remarkably, coach Payton claimed that he never inquired of coach Williams and coach Vitt as to what happened in the interviews, never asked them if a "pay-for-performance" or bounty program was in fact in place, and never gave any instructions to discontinue such a program.

12. In January 2012, prior to the Saints' first playoff game of the 2011 season, coach Payton was advised by Mr. Loomis that the league office had reopened the investigation. coach Payton made a cursory inquiry but took no action to ensure that any bounty program was discontinued.

13. Loomis was not present at meetings of the Saints defense at which bounties were discussed and was not aware of bounties being placed on specific players. Mr. Loomis became aware of the allegations regarding a bounty program no later than February 2010 when he was notified of the investigation into the allegations during a meeting with NFL Executive Vice President-Football Operations Ray Anderson. He was directed to ensure that any such program ceased immediately. By his own admission, Mr. Loomis did not do enough to determine if a pay-for-performance/bounty program existed or to end any such program that did exist.

14. Saints owner Tom Benson notified Mr. Loomis in January 2012 prior to the team's participation in the playoffs that the league's investigation had been reopened. Mr. Benson reiterated his position that a bounty program was unacceptable and instructed Mr. Loomis to ensure that if a bounty program existed at the Saints it would stop immediately. By his own admission, Mr. Loomis responded to this direction by making only cursory inquiries of Coaches Payton and Williams. He never issued instructions to end the bounty program to either the coaching staff or the players.

15. There is no evidence that Saints ownership had any knowledge of the pay- for-performance or bounty program. There is no evidence that any club funds were used for the program. Ownership made clear that it disapproved of the program, gave prompt and clear direction that it stop, and gave full and immediate cooperation to league investigators.

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I'm no Vikings fan, but I think that without this program they don't win that NFC championship game. This clearly factored into the multiple brutal hits Favre and AP took in that game. Screw them, I'll never root for the Saints to win anything ever again. Their 2010 Super Bowl* win will now have an asterisk by it. I hope Brees holds out for a trade too cause he's too good for that organization.
 
The NFL's statement on the evidence against the team.

I'm no Vikings fan, but I think that without this program they don't win that NFC championship game. This clearly factored into the multiple brutal hits Favre and AP took in that game. Screw them, I'll never root for the Saints to win anything ever again. Their 2010 Super Bowl* win will now have an asterisk by it. I hope Brees holds out for a trade too cause he's too good for that organization.

Whoa, nice find. Much more damaging than I first though in regard to Peyton. I have a feeling Benson isn't too pleased. Payton and GM Loomis likely out of a job for good with the Saints. Went directly against ownership and f*cked the franchise.
 
Coach Vitt said one of his primary roles was to monitor the activity of coach Williams. This was based on the direction of coach Payton, who apparently had less than full confidence in coach Williams.

Interesting. If he didn't have confidence in him, why was he his DC? I take it Payton won't be on Williams' Christmas card list this year. :mariopalm:
 
I hope everyone reads that statement. That's from the NFL, not some blogger or former coach/player and it's not an opinion piece. It's akin to a grand jury investigation report's findings, but from NFL investigators. I would imagine most of the people supporting the Saints on this issue don't have any idea how much the entire organization tried to cover this up. I would be absolutely appalled if the Texans were found to be doing the same kind of stuff, and I don't know that I would even follow the team any more in that situation. I can tell you for damn sure I'd want the Head Coach and all the cronies involved to be sacked. Super Bowl winner or not, this is the sort of thing that does irreparable harm to the team's brand and image.

And like I said earlier, I really do hope Drew Brees sees what happened here, who he's working with and asks for a one-way trip out of NO. He's an incredible person off the field, does more charity work than anyone in the league I know of, and doesn't deserve to be brought down by a bunch of shady cheaters.
 
The Saints screwed this one up, that's for sure. I'm sure the repercussions from this aren't even close to being over. As well they shouldn't be.

I feel bad for the Saints fans on this one.
 
I hope everyone reads that statement. That's from the NFL, not some blogger or former coach/player and it's not an opinion piece. It's akin to a grand jury investigation report's findings, but from NFL investigators. I would imagine most of the people supporting the Saints on this issue don't have any idea how much the entire organization tried to cover this up. I would be absolutely appalled if the Texans were found to be doing the same kind of stuff, and I don't know that I would even follow the team any more in that situation. I can tell you for damn sure I'd want the Head Coach and all the cronies involved to be sacked. Super Bowl winner or not, this is the sort of thing that does irreparable harm to the team's brand and image.

And like I said earlier, I really do hope Drew Brees sees what happened here, who he's working with and asks for a one-way trip out of NO. He's an incredible person off the field, does more charity work than anyone in the league I know of, and doesn't deserve to be brought down by a bunch of shady cheaters.

yep, it's always the cover up and blatant lies that really gets people into trouble.

I do not condone the bounty system and now that I've read more about it, I find it extremely distasteful and very unsportsmanlike. I guess I did not understand the extent of it all until reading more about it.

But the dishonorable actions by the head coach and GM during the investigation is what really caused the penalties to be so severe.
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...senator-dick-durbin-sets-hearing-bounties-nfl

The assistant Senate majority leader, an Illinois Democrat, says he wants to examine whether federal law should make such bounty systems a crime

Because one of the most important things going on right now, something that definitely needs government attention, is a bounty program within the NFL.

FFS. I hate politics and politicians, and this kind of crap is exactly why. Republicans and Democrats alike.
 
For the NFL to have so much detailed info about what the Saints were doing the past 3 years, indicates either they were all being recorded on tape, or the league had someone "working" for them on the inside.

Then, I find this. They are already pics on the web of his jersey being burned in the French Quarter.
 
Is there any bigger ******* than Warren Sapp? Maybe Jamie Dukes. But still, what a total moron he is, hopefully he loses his job over this so we don't have to listen to him anymore.:evil:
 
The Saints screwed this one up, that's for sure. I'm sure the repercussions from this aren't even close to being over. As well they shouldn't be.

I feel bad for the Saints fans on this one.

I dont , nothing more annoying than a Aints fan post Superbowl. Too bad the Czar didnt strip them of that trophy.

I said it before and I'm gonna say it again - Everyone who participated in this from the coaches to the players should be banned from the league for life.

The game of football is physical and dangerous enough without players intentionally attempting to injure others.


Have to wonder if Payton or Williams ever get another gig in the NFL after this. What owner or GM in their right mind could sign off on their hiring?

As for those players involved , you have to wonder if other players might retaliate ....


Reap what you sow ..... :goodluck:
 
Have to wonder if Payton or Williams ever get another gig in the NFL after this. What owner or GM in their right mind could sign off on their hiring?
Really? I'm wondering how quickly next year Payton will be approached for a job.

He has a SB win, to owners that haven't tasted success in a while, this is a huge deal.
 
Really? I'm wondering how quickly next year Payton will be approached for a job.

He has a SB win, to owners that haven't tasted success in a while, this is a huge deal.

He also knowingly and willingly violated many NFL rules which seriously cost his team both money and draft picks .... along with a heaping helping of negative press.


I wouldnt hire him.
 
Then, I find this. They are already pics on the web of his jersey being burned in the French Quarter.
Dumb prison/gang talk about "snitches." NFL needs to question Sapp and discipline those trying intimidation tactics. Pretty sure that's against the law.

No "snitch" told Payton to lie & lie to NFL and ignore their rules and direct warnings. I like Sapp, but he's wrong here.
 
Michael Vick. Donte Stallworth. Adam Jones. Ben Roethlisberger. Plaxico Burress.

Just a couple of names. We all know there are many more.

With the exception of Michael Vick, and possibly Ben Roethlisberger, the negative impact to the team was minimal. But my point is that there will always be an owner in the NFL that will hire someone else that they believe can bring wins to their team. Even if that person is no longer Al Davis :P

And no, I'm not trying to compare what they did (non-football related incidents) to what Payton did. I'm just saying that some owners will take risks on "tainted" personnel, if they think it'll help their club more than it will hurt it.
 
He also knowingly and willingly violated many NFL rules which seriously cost his team both money and draft picks .... along with a heaping helping of negative press.


I wouldnt hire him.

I'm sure Bob McNair wouldn't hire him either, but I know there are owners that would. I imagine the Jets and Rex Ryan would love to have Payton as an OC, or any struggling team for that matter. There is always movement in the NFL, someone is bound to take a chance on Payton. Considering this bounty thing was on the defensive side of the ball, if you made him an OC, there would be little chance of an issue like this arising again.

Of course that is only if he gets fired. I seriously doubt he will be fired, but you never know.
 
Dumb prison/gang talk about "snitches." NFL needs to question Sapp and discipline those trying intimidation tactics. Pretty sure that's against the law.

No "snitch" told Payton to lie & lie to NFL and ignore their rules and direct warnings. I like Sapp, but he's wrong here.

Yeah, one of the local radio hosts was babbling about "the hood" and snitching last night on his radio show. Like it is some kind of high crime to report felonies or corruption because it breaks some kind of "street code". What a friggin' chump. :smiliepalm:
 
I hope everyone reads that statement. That's from the NFL, not some blogger or former coach/player and it's not an opinion piece. It's akin to a grand jury investigation report's findings, but from NFL investigators. I would imagine most of the people supporting the Saints on this issue don't have any idea how much the entire organization tried to cover this up. I would be absolutely appalled if the Texans were found to be doing the same kind of stuff, and I don't know that I would even follow the team any more in that situation. I can tell you for damn sure I'd want the Head Coach and all the cronies involved to be sacked. Super Bowl winner or not, this is the sort of thing that does irreparable harm to the team's brand and image.

And like I said earlier, I really do hope Drew Brees sees what happened here, who he's working with and asks for a one-way trip out of NO. He's an incredible person off the field, does more charity work than anyone in the league I know of, and doesn't deserve to be brought down by a bunch of shady cheaters.
Absolutely. I wonder what Brees is thinking after he's learned about the extent of everything. I wonder if he's starting to question his signing a longterm contract with the Saints now. Play out the season on the franchise tag and then be a FA next offseason.

We'll see how Schaub comes back from his lisfranc injury and performs in his contract season. I love me some Schaub but if he's not good to go I would be very very supportive of trying to get Brees here. We've been clearing cap room for next season. If we come out of it with Drew Brees and Duane Brown locked up on longterm contracts - hoooweee!!
 
My creep meter pegged on Peyton and Williams. Seemed really sketchy to me. And it ends up they were not just skirting but skipping over the line. I don't think either will ever coach again in the NFL. Fisher's another one I wonder about.
 
I still don't understand why anyone thinks Payton isn't going to get a job somewhere.

Tom Cable punched one of his assistant coaches, and he still has a job. Doesn't he have a history of beating women? What kind of negative publicity is that? And he exposes the club to lawsuits. Yet, he gets hired. Is he a head coach? No. Does that mean he never will be? No.

The only way Payton will never get another job in the NFL is if he is banned from the game. Winning > Negative publicity
 
I still don't understand why anyone thinks Payton isn't going to get a job somewhere.

Tom Cable punched one of his assistant coaches, and he still has a job. Doesn't he have a history of beating women? What kind of negative publicity is that? And he exposes the club to lawsuits. Yet, he gets hired. Is he a head coach? No. Does that mean he never will be? No.

The only way Payton will never get another job in the NFL is if he is banned from the game. Winning > Negative publicity

Time cures all.

Signed,
Michael Vick

Payton will be alright after a year off. I see the Saints letting him go, he catches on as an OC for some team in 2013 and then moves up to HC. That is IF he doesn't get a HC gig right out of the gate.
 
He'll get fired. No way the owner will want an entire season filled with nothing but talk about it. Yes, it will be an ongoing topic...but the way the owner moves on, even if it's only a subtle "move on," is to fire him and install a HC NOW.

By firing him and installing a new HC you can shape the discussion that will be had on the topic. You can be seen as being proactive and starting anew. There will be less "negative" analysis and more "Oh, good for them. They're moving in a NEW direction."

I cannot foresee the Saints operating in an entire football year without their HC. Talk about a shaming punishment. THAT is how you shame a team right there.

The players and the fans deserve to move on, and you do that by parting with the "things" that need to be parted with. I suspect the league leveled the punishment in anticipation that the Saints would be pressured enough by it to fire Payton and maybe even Loomis. Leveraging tactic.

It would actually shock me more if they kept Payton and Loomis and anybody else. I am sure the lawyers are drawing up all the language and protocol as we speak. They can easily justify their firings, and maybe even not have to pay them one more dime on the remainder of their contracts for the financial loss they can claim they have caused the franchise with those shady practices. Lawyers can do wonders with the "harm" angle. In this instance, I think it's justifiable and correct.
 
He'll get fired.
Payton might get fired. But, not anytime soon. And not this year.

What you are failing to consider is that by Payton and Loomis proclaiming responsibility, they are removing any possible guilt from the owner. As far as Goodell knows, Benson knows nothing. Even if he actually does. Fire Payton and/or Loomis and they might be singing a different tune.
 
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