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Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million

IMO, the only reason Mario hasn't gone anywhere else but Buffalo is because they're the only ones willing to pay him what they're offering.

Sorry if that's been said already but it honestly just occurred to me.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I think Mario's a good player, but man, it sounds like the Bills are going to screw themselves in a major way. I'm hearing at least 50 guaranteed
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I've heard $50 m also. Well good luck keeping you gonads warm Mr. Williams. Next FA up!
 
50 million guaranteed is way over priced for Mario. Buffalo fans might be happy about this at first, but over time, they'll realize what a bad deal this is.
 
He went where the money was the largest. Period.

All this stuff about how Mario wants to help them get over the hump is really people getting figuratively humped by Mario because he wouldn't have played for the Bills for the same amount as what we or the Bears would have offered.

I love when guys say they just want to be a big piece in the puzzle of helping them "get over the top." OK, hot shot. So all things being equal...what if Buffalo had offered you the same money as Houston or Chicago? You still going to go there for the sake of helping them get better? No, you wouldn't. You are going there for the money, so just admit it.

"I appreciate the Texans, immensely. They chose me above two other players, and I feel we each met our contractual duties with great character. Because an NFL career can be very brief, I have chosen Buffalo because they are a great team and have a great fan base. And it also helped that I am earning the most that I can earn with them, which makes me very honored to play for the Bills."

That's the sort of thing you can say in a presser that is BELIEVABLE. If all he does is tout how awesome it is to be a huge factor in their upcoming success, then what a load of hog wash. He should at least be honest that HE chose the Bills based mostly on the dollars. Fans deserve that much, just a level of transparency that makes his exit from Houston understandable beyond the idea that he went to Buffalo to help them out and he was not going to be any help to Houston. Because you know what? We need help getting over the top, too. So be honest about the dollars. That's not asking too much, IMO.
 
Actually I'm not that mad about it at all. He's being way overpaid for what he brings to the table and quite frankly didn't really live up to his $54 million rookie contract.
 
Owners that give out deals like that are just hurting themselves in the long run. This kind of foolishness is ruining pro sports. They ***** about their costs, yet willingly makes deals like this.

Screw 'em.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Calvin Johnson reupped for 60 million guaranteed yesterday. You think Mario wants that much?
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I think Mario is mooning those fans who did not want him first pick. Sort of "how do you like me now?" and "it's all about me!" by that country western singer.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Actually I'm not that mad about it at all. He's being way overpaid for what he brings to the table and quite frankly didn't really live up to his $54 million rookie contract.
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I agree and say good luck to him, break the bank if you can Mario.
I'd be pizzed at the Texans if they gave him that kind of deal, assuming they could which of course they can't.
BTW, the winters may be nasty in Buffalo, but with the kind of money he's getting he'll have a great second home in south FLA, or wherever he chooses.
 
I wish Mario Williams good luck. He's a hard working guy who played through injuries for the sake of the team. We didn't hear him complain after most of the city was against him being picked no.1 overall. If I were in his shoes I would probably do the same thing as well and take the most amount of money. All this talk about a home town discount and wanting to play for a winner is silly. At the end of the day this is a business and Mario made a good business decision. I think this isn't all bad for the Texans either. The Bills are overpaying for Mario and I don't think the Texans are in a position where they need to do something like that. We have to spend our money more carefully and I think Rick Smith will definitely get us a good no.3 pass rusher. We all knew this day was coming so it's not surprising or disappointing to me. Would've liked to have had Mario re-sign with us for a reasonable price, but $50 million guaranteed is too much imo.
 
gtexan02 said:
Hoping this is a Leigh Bodden situation where he uses another team to get us to make an offer
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I doubt this is the case. There's zero chance of us matching what the Bills are offering.

If he's been in Buffalo this long, he's only making triple certain that everything is on the up-and-up before signing the deal. Because by now, the Texans would have countered.

To me, this is more about Bob being respectful of Mario and not going out and spending up any FA dollars until Mario is 100% "gone." He doesn't want it to look like he gave up on him and never waited for him. Bob is overly generous like that, which irks me sometimes but makes me proud sometimes too.

Texan_Bill said:
Actually I'm not that mad about it at all. He's being way overpaid for what he brings to the table and quite frankly didn't really live up to his $54 million rookie contract.
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THAT is the way to think about it, Bill. 100%.

The Texans, IMO, would have been short-sighted had they just written him a blank check. In fact, I think the writing was on the wall last off-season when we acquired Joseph and Manning...to me, that represented that we were dedicating ourselves to rounding out the defensive side of the ball rather than making Mario the kingpin and surrounding him with above-average talent.

The shift to a better secondary might have been the clue that Mario was not going to be THE big dawn on campus after 2011.

I'm beginning to wonder if he really even tore his pec muscle now. Or was that a way to sit out the 2011 season so that he wouldn't risk being severely hurt just before he hits free agency??? I know that's a serious charge to level at a player, and I have no proof of it, but it is curious that this happened very early in the season. Can the team staff's doctors know 100% through imaging techniques that a guy has torn a pec muscle?

Thorn said:
Owners that give out deals like that are just hurting themselves in the long run. This kind of foolishness is ruining pro sports. They ***** about their costs, yet willingly makes deals like this.

Screw 'em.
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Exactly. What's even worse is that the Ralph Wilsons of the NFL world...those teams who are in small markets...are being propped up by the richer teams in larger markets via revenue sharing. Yet here are the Bills paying OUT THE NOSE for Mario Williams! I mean, seriously?

Look, I know the poor teams have to be allowed to get competitive to stay relevant and so forth. But maybe they should have a smaller cap number if they cannot produce more to the revenue pool than teams like Dallas, Houston, New York, etc. Why should you still be allowed to receive monetary help from the other teams AND get to purchase players up to the same cap number as everyone else? I mean, if you take the revenue sharing deal...then your cap number should be reduced. Refuse to receive assistance, then you can have the full cap to utilize. But you can't have the best of both worlds.

Otherwise, this is really teams like Dallas and Houston SUPPLEMENTING the Bills' purchase of Mario Williams. I'm with you, Thorn.
 
It would be very difficult to pass up the money being talked about. Although I think his chances for a championship would be much better here, I wish him well, wherever he ends up. I think the Texans need to concentrate on the other side of the ball- I really hope we don't lose Myers and Brisiel, and Dreessen for that matter. Hopefully by the end of free agency, we'll be at least as good as we were before it started- I'll reserve my judgment for that time.
 
Thorn said:
Owners that give out deals like that are just hurting themselves in the long run. This kind of foolishness is ruining pro sports. They ***** about their costs, yet willingly makes deals like this.

Screw 'em.
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Especially in a town like Buffalo that has has to play one game a year north of the border. Sure the fans will be ignited at first. Well until after the second or third year in a row that Mario is "playing hurt" and can't quite play up his potential.
 
El Tejano said:
He's not in the division and that's all that matters.
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Another "plus," I agree.

1. We are not overpaying and therefore not setting us up for cap hell.

2. We won't face him twice-per-year and therefore NOT run the risk of being laughed at IF he had gone bonkers on us with Titans/Jags/Colts.

3. We can hopefully re-sign our own guys that we need, primarily Myers and then maybe Briesel. The Winston cut demands we place a high priority on Myers and Briesel.
 
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Bills have a 1:30 presser to announce Mario Williams signing, per sources.
 
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GP said:
Exactly. What's even worse is that the Ralph Wilsons of the NFL world...those teams who are in small markets...are being propped up by the richer teams in larger markets via revenue sharing. Yet here are the Bills paying OUT THE NOSE for Mario Williams! I mean, seriously?

Look, I know the poor teams have to be allowed to get competitive to stay relevant and so forth. But maybe they should have a smaller cap number if they cannot produce more to the revenue pool than teams like Dallas, Houston, New York, etc. Why should you still be allowed to receive monetary help from the other teams AND get to purchase players up to the same cap number as everyone else? I mean, if you take the revenue sharing deal...then your cap number should be reduced. Refuse to receive assistance, then you can have the full cap to utilize. But you can't have the best of both worlds.

Otherwise, this is really teams like Dallas and Houston SUPPLEMENTING the Bills' purchase of Mario Williams. I'm with you, Thorn.
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I like the system they use in the Football League over here (That is soccer, and from 1 league below the Premier League down to the 4th League below) All 92 teams across 3 divisions are fully professional clubs and have to work to a cap of 60% of their turnover from the previous year. Now, football is in a bit of a mess atm and there are teams on the brink of going under for other reasons, but in itself I think its a great idea.

Why not force financial fair play through making clubs live within their means rather than simply doling the weak links. You could still have an upper cap limit so that the super rich can't get way out in front, and you still have the draft system to even out the flow of talent into the league.

In doing this, you could do away with revenue sharing, at least for match day income, and by forcing all teams to run within their own means, you can still make sure that no team is going to go out of business.

Anyway, it'll never happen so no point bitching about it now.

Best of luck to Mario, thought he was always facing an uphill battle having been 'the worst #1 pick of all time' etc and he probably was done a disservice by his coaching for the vast majority of his time in Htown. He's also been a big part of our turn-around, especially the struggle to reach the point where guys like JoJo and Manning actually wanted to come here.

He'd better play out the full season for the Bills though, I wouldn't fancy standing on the sidelines in December in Buffalo.
 
El Tejano said:
He's not in the division and that's all that matters.
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GP said:
Another "plus," I agree.

1. We are not overpaying and therefore not setting us up for cap hell.

2. We won't face him twice-per-year and therefore NOT run the risk of being laughed at IF he had gone bonkers on us with Titans/Jags/Colts.

3. We can hopefully re-sign our own guys that we need, primarily Myers and then maybe Briesel. The Winston cut demands we place a high priority on Myers and Briesel.
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I wish him nothing but the best. Can't blame the guy one bit getting that kind of pay day. I'm really glad the Texans didn't overspend and glad he's not in our division.

Now we get to see him face Brady twice a year! I'll also enjoy watching him knock the snot outta Sanchez. Anything to beat up on the Jets and Patriots is great.
 
welsh texan said:
I like the system they use in the Football League over here (That is soccer, and from 1 league below the Premier League down to the 4th League below) All 92 teams across 3 divisions are fully professional clubs and have to work to a cap of 60% of their turnover from the previous year. Now, football is in a bit of a mess atm and there are teams on the brink of going under for other reasons, but in itself I think its a great idea.

Why not force financial fair play through making clubs live within their means rather than simply doling the weak links. You could still have an upper cap limit so that the super rich can't get way out in front, and you still have the draft system to even out the flow of talent into the league.

In doing this, you could do away with revenue sharing, at least for match day income, and by forcing all teams to run within their own means, you can still make sure that no team is going to go out of business.

Anyway, it'll never happen so no point bitching about it now.

Best of luck to Mario, thought he was always facing an uphill battle having been 'the worst #1 pick of all time' etc and he probably was done a disservice by his coaching for the vast majority of his time in Htown. He's also been a big part of our turn-around, especially the struggle to reach the point where guys like JoJo and Manning actually wanted to come here.

He'd better play out the full season for the Bills though, I wouldn't fancy standing on the sidelines in December in Buffalo.
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Marios gone bills got him.
 
So will someone explain to me what this means for us salary cap wise? Does this open up new funds for us or are we still going to be up against it?
 
Nawzer said:
So will someone explain to me what this means for us salary cap wise? Does this open up new funds for us or are we still going to be up against it?
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We don't know for sure, but we are thinking that we may have set aside some space for Mario until he decided. Hopefully that is the case and we can now set about getting our Oline back together for the most part.
 
Nawzer said:
So will someone explain to me what this means for us salary cap wise? Does this open up new funds for us or are we still going to be up against it?
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The funds were always open, it's just a matter of the GM setting aside a portion of our cap space to make an offer to X player. If they had 9 million set aside for the year 2012 in Mario's offer, they can now allocate that towards other players further down in their priorities. The money was always available, but if they use up too much of it, then they can't keep the offer on the table for Mario.

Now that Mario's out of the picture, I expect Chris Myers to be signed soon.
 
Nawzer said:
So will someone explain to me what this means for us salary cap wise? Does this open up new funds for us or are we still going to be up against it?
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Nobody knows for sure, but if you read around some of the more informed posters we are anywhere from $650k under (and were never in with a shot) to $30 mill under in which case we may well have been waiting on Mario signing somewhere to move on. Lets all hope we sign someone pretty quickly now to ease all our worries.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think there are a few guys here who are raising the red flag this statement points to. Albeit they are saying if we spend the money on Mario Williams, we would be hamstrung as an organization in the future.

HeLLo we are hamstrung now, which tells me that something went wrong. We made bad assumptions, we're paying someone too much.... something.

A week ago, we were thinking we're going into the draft looking at BPA, using FA to add the finishing touches to a potent Super Bowl contender.

Now, we're trying to piece-meal an offensive line in front of the best RB in the NFL.

When we were mediocre, it didn't matter. he could mess up & chances were we'd still be mediocre. Mess up now, & it's a whole other ballgame.

We only thought the 2011 off-season was Rick Smith's most important.



Sell it however you want, whatever makes you feel good. We've just lost the second #1 overall pick in a draft, with no compensation, for the second time in 5 years.

Think about that.


That is of course if he doesn't come back, stranger things have happened.
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Don't be surprised if we have to go through this when J.J. Watt's or Brian Cushing's rookie contracts expire.

It's like the Astros used to be.... we bring 'em up and get 'em started and just when they blossom, our ownership can't/won't pay 'em.
 
Playoffs said:
You're right. Biggest free agent signing away from Texans doesn't deserve a thread. :smiliepalm:
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NO, it doesn't. All it does is clutter the forum and apparently the mods agree.

Now at least we can move this thread to the NFL forum and get it completely out of the Texans forum altogether.
 
arb729 said:
Do you think it'll come out what exactly we offered him? I'd be curious to see more than anything
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I'm sure they'll release the details of the deal within the next couple of days or so. I did see one rumor (not confirmed - obviously), that $50 mill. was gauranteed.
 
I do like the fact that Mario will be getting after Tom Brady for the next few years. That does make me a little happy. FU BRADY! HAHAHA!
 
if this holds up i wish nothing but the best for the kid. Can't blame anyone for taking that kind of scratch.....& i'll still follow his progress up there.
 
I can't wait to boo his money grubbing a** when the Bills visit Reliant this year. "It isn't about the money". Yeah, right. Greedy pr*ck.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Nope, we still don't know the details of what they offered Dunta, and if they could have gained some good PR by letting us know the numbers.
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I'm not sure if I follow:

3/5/2010: Signed a six-year, $57 million contract. The deal contains $25.5 million guaranteed, including a $7 million signing bonus and $5 million of Robinson's third-year base salary. Robinson will also receive $5 million in option bonuses. 2012: $5 million, 2013: $8 million, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $11.5 million, 2016: Free Agent
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Per: Rotoword

Or were you referring to the Texans offer to Robinson?
 
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