Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million

[mussop]

On that list...one team is better than the Texans (in 2011). And that 1 team, we would have kicked their asses had we got to face them.

Yes but add the elite super Mario and any of these teams would have the best defense in the league. Haven't you been reading these threads?

 

[leebigeztx]

@JasonLaCanforaFranchise tags: QB $14.436; RB $7.742; WR $9.515; TE $5.446: OL $9.383; DE $10.605; DT $7.96j LB $8.856; CB $10.281: S $6.212 K/P $2.6

 

[mussop]

Sacks aren't the end all be all of DE stats, I know. But generally speaking, if your sack numbers are up, all your other numbers are up. Antonio may look like he's more "active" than Mario, but he's nowhere near as productive & he's only been making $1M/yr less than Mario for the last three years.

Yes they are! Well at least to all of the Mario fanatics.

 

[gafftop]

At the end of the year, Kubiak praised Reed & Barwin for stepping up, not only with the quality of their play, but also the quantity. They played an enormous amount of snaps over the last few games, because there was no one else behind them.

If we keep that up, we're going to have the same problem we would have if we handed the ball off to Foster 40 times a game, or asked Schaub to keep dropping back 50 times a game.

Personally, I'm fine with losing Mario. However, if that were to happen I want the Texans to get the best pass rusher they can in the draft. If that means we need to trade up to do it... fine. If that means we need to reach, we need to reach, because I guarantee you Barwin & Reed will not be as affective if they are our only outside pass rushers all year long.

& not only are we asking a lot of Barwin (who has missed a lot of games in his short career) but we're asking a lot of Jj Watt & Brooks Reed. Two guys going into their sophomore season where they should take the biggest jump in their NFL careers. With Mario (or another bonafide pass rusher) it would be easier & more certain for them to bloom into the players we want them to be.

I agree you need more depth. Don't agree you reach or move up in draft. We may get another Amobi. Does not have to be draft choice. Would rather have something more known.

 

[steelbtexan]

At the end of the year, Kubiak praised Reed & Barwin for stepping up, not only with the quality of their play, but also the quantity. They played an enormous amount of snaps over the last few games, because there was no one else behind them.

If we keep that up, we're going to have the same problem we would have if we handed the ball off to Foster 40 times a game, or asked Schaub to keep dropping back 50 times a game.

Personally, I'm fine with losing Mario. However, if that were to happen I want the Texans to get the best pass rusher they can in the draft. If that means we need to trade up to do it... fine. If that means we need to reach, we need to reach, because I guarantee you Barwin & Reed will not be as affective if they are our only outside pass rushers all year long.

& not only are we asking a lot of Barwin (who has missed a lot of games in his short career) but we're asking a lot of Jj Watt & Brooks Reed. Two guys going into their sophomore season where they should take the biggest jump in their NFL careers. With Mario (or another bonafide pass rusher) it would be easier & more certain for them to bloom into the players we want them to be.

Agreed

Hopefully McCleland/Bequette/Cam Johnson fall to the 3rd rd.

All are high effort guys that would be a good fit in Wades defense.

 

[Brandon420tx]

I agree you need more depth. Don't agree you reach or move up in draft. We may get another Amobi. Does not have to be draft choice. Would rather have something more known.

There are no "known" FA options out there I'd want to be depth behind Barwin and Reed

 

[thunderkyss]

That's where Tebow and his ability to heal by laying of hands comes into play. Or am I getting Tim and Benny Hinn confused?

Just imagine Denver gets both Peyton & Mario.

 

[badboy]

Just imagine Denver gets both Peyton & Mario.

Imagine Houston getting both Mario and Manning.

 

[Nawzer]

& that's fine. But, I like to ask everyone what their number is for two reasons. To judge if we over payed, or if we got a hometown discount.

Personally, I think we overpayed if his avg salary is over $14M (I think we should be able to sign him for $12M, $14M is my max. One penny over $14M & we over payed).

Even though I believe he is truly worth $12M, I will think we got a hometown discount if we sign him at $12M or lower... such is the case of FA.


For everyone of those guys, you can find someone on their team who is a threat to get 8 sacks a year, or two or more guys who is a threat to get 5.

Mario has never had that luxury, until now. We have never had two or more players other than Mario to get 5 or more sacks in a single year. This year, was the first year someone other than Mario Williams got 8 or more sacks.

Antonio Smith will cost $8M against our cap & 2011 was the first year he finished with more than 5 sacks.

Sacks aren't the end all be all of DE stats, I know. But generally speaking, if your sack numbers are up, all your other numbers are up. Antonio may look like he's more "active" than Mario, but he's nowhere near as productive & he's only been making $1M/yr less than Mario for the last three years.



We're not in the funny money days of years past. The Salary cap was at $129M prior to the expiration of the last CBA. Somehow, the owners got a big one over on the players & brought the cap down almost $10M for two consecutive years.

But you don't get into cap hell by paying players what they are worth. You get into hell by paying guys more than what they are worth. Mario is easily a top 10 DE in the league. Arguably top 5. He should be paid accordingly.

If there is a way, they'll make it work. I don't think Smithiak will over pay for Mario. That's what they are paid to do. If it's all about the dollars for Williams (which he has stated it wasn't) he'll be sent on his way. But don't be surprised to see him sign somewhere between $12M & $14M... & when it happens, don't say we overpaid.

You make some fair points. I think he can be a top 10 or top 5 pass rusher but his stats I believe are a bit skewed. If $12 to $14 is the going rate and if the Texans can maneuver then I'm fine with it. My point is that I don't think he deserves to be the highest paid defensive player in the league. He's a very good player and deserves to be paid like one. His injury history is worrisome and you wonder how much longer the body can withstand specially someone playing his position.

 

[infantrycak]

I was talking to edo783 the other day and he had a very good point on Mario. It's funny folks like to question his effort and yet the injury which IR'd him this year was one from over-effort.

My personal observation on the issue is the effort thing is total BS and is just repeated from some college scout who then got repeated and now people use it to justify what they want to do with Mario. On what people claim are taking plays off what I see is maintaining discipline. If every running play (which would be most of them) which is run away from Mario and he used his full athleticism to be on the far side of the formation a RB like Foster would cut back for a huge gain because Mario had not maintained discipline and sealed his edge.

 

[dalemurphy]

I was talking to edo783 the other day and he had a very good point on Mario. It's funny folks like to question his effort and yet the injury which IR'd him this year was one from over-effort.

My personal observation on the issue is the effort thing is total BS and is just repeated from some college scout who then got repeated and now people use it to justify what they want to do with Mario. On what people claim are taking plays off what I see is maintaining discipline. If every running play (which would be most of them) which is run away from Mario and he used his full athleticism to be on the far side of the formation a RB like Foster would cut back for a huge gain because Mario had not maintained discipline and sealed his edge.

I'm not quoting any college scout. This is something I arrived at the past 18 months or so. If I am wrong it is likely because of the incredible frustration I had watching him in 2010, as the season was unraveling and he was playing with the unreported sports hernia. That 6 week period where he stood around and slapped hands with tackles and tight ends while the Texans' season fell apart was infuriating. I try to read backwards after the injury was confirmed, but I imagine some of that frustration still lingers.

Regarding Mario playing disciplined: I agree that Mario is disciplined. But, Barwin was extremely disciplined as well this season but was still pursuing with containment much more intensely than I saw from Mario on a regular basis..

 

[Corrosion]

I was talking to edo783 the other day and he had a very good point on Mario. It's funny folks like to question his effort and yet the injury which IR'd him this year was one from over-effort.

My personal observation on the issue is the effort thing is total BS and is just repeated from some college scout who then got repeated and now people use it to justify what they want to do with Mario. On what people claim are taking plays off what I see is maintaining discipline. If every running play (which would be most of them) which is run away from Mario and he used his full athleticism to be on the far side of the formation a RB like Foster would cut back for a huge gain because Mario had not maintained discipline and sealed his edge.

I think MW's athleticism makes it look as if he's not giving full effort .... The guy can make the game look effortless at times.

 

[badboy]

I'm not quoting any college scout. This is something I arrived at the past 18 months or so. If I am wrong it is likely because of the incredible frustration I had watching him in 2010, as the season was unraveling and he was playing with the unreported sports hernia. That 6 week period where he stood around and slapped hands with tackles and tight ends while the Texans' season fell apart was infuriating. I try to read backwards after the injury was confirmed, but I imagine some of that frustration still lingers.

Regarding Mario playing disciplined: I agree that Mario is disciplined. But, Barwin was extremely disciplined as well this season but was still pursuing with containment much more intensely than I saw from Mario on a regular basis..

I had similar thing with DT Josh Chapman Alabama. I lost interest in him quickly when he seemingly could do little. I then found out he had torn ACL. My judgement was on what I saw and knew.

 

[infantrycak]

I think MW's athleticism makes it look as if he's not giving full effort .... The guy can make the game look effortless at times.

Very sound point. People see him do something incredible on one play and then act as if he is half-assing if it doesn't happen every play.

 

[thunderkyss]

Very sound point. People see him do something incredible on one play and then act as if he is half-assing if it doesn't happen every play.

Or they watch the DE chase the RB down from the back side of the play & give him Kudos for that, even though that is the one thing he should not do as it leaves him open for the cut back, the reverse, or the bootleg.

 

[Mr teX]

I think MW's athleticism makes it look as if he's not giving full effort .... The guy can make the game look effortless at times.

I brought this up 8 pages ago..People seem to think that if they don't see a guy charging up field like a madman every play or his arms & hands flailing everywhere he's dogging it.

Here's something i found interesting when i saw this top 100 show on NFL network last year. Pay attention to what Kubes says about mario at about the 1.30 mark. I think this pertains to this current convo about his motor and why the guy is always nicked up and ultimately why this kid might be worth us pursuing.....to a point.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gHwQSraaPY

I know there's some truth in what kubes is saying, i just don't know how much. For instance, i know this is probably true for a guy like freeney.

 

[dalemurphy]

I think MW's athleticism makes it look as if he's not giving full effort .... The guy can make the game look effortless at times.

Mario Williams and J.J. Watt are nearly identical athletes. Watt's effort is very visible.

 

[infantrycak]

Mario Williams and J.J. Watt are nearly identical athletes.

No they aren't. And I love JJ Watt. He is a fantastic athlete. But they are different types. Being close to the same height and weight doesn't mean the same much less identical. JJ Watt would never have a prayer of playing 3-4 OLB. Mario was doing it a high level in his first few games of the conversion. Really bad assertion.

 

[dalemurphy]

No they aren't. And I love JJ Watt. He is a fantastic athlete. But they are different types. Being close to the same height and weight doesn't mean the same much less identical. JJ Watt would never have a prayer of playing 3-4 OLB. Mario was doing it a high level in his first few games of the conversion. Really bad assertion.

Same height
Same weight
Same vertical explosion
Same speed
Same lateral explosion
Same quickness
Same strength... Check the combine numbers.

I'm not sure what the differences are that you are asserting. I would agree that Mario is out of place as a 3-4 OLB. I think Watt could play the position Mario played last year. After a short adjustment, I think he would have similar results as well. I don't want him out there, though. I want smaller and more agile players that are better in coverage.

 

[infantrycak]

Same height
Same weight
Same vertical explosion
Same speed
Same lateral explosion
Same quickness
Same strength... Check the combine numbers.

I'm not sure what the differences are that you are asserting. I would agree that Mario is out of place as a 3-4 OLB. I think Watt could play the position Mario played last year. After a short adjustment, I think he would have similar results as well. I don't want him out there, though. I want smaller and more agile players that are better in coverage.

This is one of those instances of the measuring tape doesn't add up to the field. I don't give a crap about combine numbers. I watch them and they are not the same athlete at all. And I wasn't saying Mario is out of place at 3-4 OLB. I was saying he can excel there and JJ Watt has no chance of doing that. JJ Watt will be an excellent DE in either a 4-3 or 3-4. He can even slide into DT. He is not an OLB. Not due to less athleticism but different athleticism.

Geez dude, release some of your anti-Mario advocacy - just a little bit. Trying to argue Mario and JJ Watt are the same is ridiculous. I am not going to cry if Mario leaves for a higher offer or the Texans decide he is too expensive. You are coming across like you are going to pop a cork, fall to your knees and cry for joy if they do not re-sign him.

 

[Fico]

Same height
Same weight
Same vertical explosion
Same speed
Same lateral explosion
Same quickness
Same strength... Check the combine numbers.

I'm not sure what the differences are that you are asserting. I would agree that Mario is out of place as a 3-4 OLB. I think Watt could play the position Mario played last year. After a short adjustment, I think he would have similar results as well. I don't want him out there, though. I want smaller and more agile players that are better in coverage.

JJ Watt is shorter, slower, and less explosive than Mario. Mario performed more bench reps, jumped 3.5in higher, ran the 40 .18 seconds faster than JJ, and broad jumped the exact same. JJ outperformed Mario on the shuttle and three cone drill.

You have an opinion on Mario that is clear, but when you say things like JJ Watt is the same caliber athlete as Mario Williams, well, you are just wrong.

 

[Corrosion]

Same height
Same weight
Same vertical explosion
Same speed
Same lateral explosion
Same quickness
Same strength... Check the combine numbers.

I'm not sure what the differences are that you are asserting. I would agree that Mario is out of place as a 3-4 OLB. I think Watt could play the position Mario played last year. After a short adjustment, I think he would have similar results as well. I don't want him out there, though. I want smaller and more agile players that are better in coverage.

You are entitled to your opinion DM .... But I dont agree with it.

 

[dalemurphy]

This is one of those instances of the measuring tape doesn't add up to the field. I don't give a crap about combine numbers. I watch them and they are not the same athlete at all. And I wasn't saying Mario is out of place at 3-4 OLB. I was saying he can excel there and JJ Watt has no chance of doing that. JJ Watt will be an excellent DE in either a 4-3 or 3-4. He can even slide into DT. He is not an OLB. Not due to less athleticism but different athleticism.

Geez dude, release some of your anti-Mario advocacy - just a little bit. Trying to argue Mario and JJ Watt are the same is ridiculous. I am not going to cry if Mario leaves for a higher offer or the Texans decide he is too expensive. You are coming across like you are going to pop a cork, fall to your knees and cry for joy if they do not re-sign him.

Saying they are different players is one thing. That's fine. But how are they different athletes? What skills/talents do you think Mario posesses that Watt does not? It isn't speed, strength, quickness, explosion, ability to change direction, arm length, hand size, flexibility.... so, what is it? You want to say Mario is gifted to do something that Watt can't do... how about an explanation of why?

I find it interesting that your eyeball test can be entered into evidence and is your primary explanation for why Watt can't play OLB like Mario can. Yet, when others use an eyeball test to argue that Mario doesn't put forth as much effort as Watt you dismiss it and argue that it is because of their differences in athleticism. When you define those differences, your argument is..."I can just tell"... Tough to argue with that!

Okay, and I'm the one who is "ridiculous"? and I'm the one with an agenda?

 

[dalemurphy]

You are entitled to your opinion DM .... But I dont agree with it.

What opinion? How can you deny that Mario and Watt are nearly identical in athletic ability? These are objective measurements. I don't get it. Show me, or explain to me what abilities Mario has that Watt does not from an objective perspective. The great thing about the combine is that it does measure all of that on an even playing field.

 

[dalemurphy]

JJ Watt is shorter, slower, and less explosive than Mario. Mario performed more bench reps, jumped 3.5in higher, ran the 40 .18 seconds faster than JJ, and broad jumped the exact same. JJ outperformed Mario on the shuttle and three cone drill.

You have an opinion on Mario that is clear, but when you say things like JJ Watt is the same caliber athlete as Mario Williams, well, you are just wrong.

Watt is 1.5 inches shorter.
Watt wieghed 5 pounds less.
Mario performed 35 bps to Watt's 34.
Mario jumped 40.5 inches to Watt's 37 inches.
Mario ran a 4.66 to Watt's 4.81.
Identical broad jump
Watt's 3 cone was 6.88 compared to 7.21
Watt's shuttle was 4.21 compared to 4.37

I'm struggling to see the distinction between the two that you are wanting to make. Are you saying that Mario is stronger because he did 35 instead of 34? His 40 and his vertical are a little better. Does that mean he is faster and more explosive? Considering they had an identical broad jump and that Watt's 3 cone was significantly faster as was his shuttle, you would be hardpressed to say Mario showed more explosion or speed.

** by the way, Watt could probably emulate those numbers while Mario would likely not be able to come close to his combine results now that he's been in the league for 6 years. Injuries and the physicality of the league has surely taken its toll.

 

[infantrycak]

Saying they are different players is one thing. That's fine. But how are they different athletes? What skills/talents do you think Mario posesses that Watt does not?...

I'm sorry but if you can't see the difference (which is not to say JJ iis a lesser athlete only clearly different) then I can't help you. You have become evangelical on this subject to the point of absurdity. As I have said twice at least now, Mario has the kind of athleticism to convert to OLB at a very high level. JJ will not do that. If anything coaches would tend to trend him inside to DT. They are not identical and that was an absurd assertion. But you are on your train to get Mario out of town. Everyone who has ever posted here gets that. No need to embellish.

 

[dalemurphy]

I'm sorry but if you can't see the difference (which is not to say JJ iis a lesser athlete only clearly different) then I can't help you. You have become evangelical on this subject to the point of absurdity. As I have said twice at least now, Mario has the kind of athleticism to convert to OLB at a very high level. JJ will not do that. If anything coaches would tend to trend him inside to DT. They are not identical and that was an absurd assertion. But you are on your train to get Mario out of town. Everyone who has ever posted here gets that. No need to embellish.

I'll ask again, what does Mario have, athletically, that Watt lacks for OLB?

Review the late second quarter of the Cincy playoff game... Watt has the hand-eye coordination it takes to play out there. He is quicker and more agile. He's as fast, maybe faster within the 1st 20 yards...

Here's the reality: Watt is willing to play inside and Mario is not. The Texans, if you recall, originally planned for Mario to play a 3-4 DE and then shifted their plans in April. Mario expressed concern about playing inside the tackle and the plan was eventually changed. I don't want Watt at OLB. I don't want Mario there, either. It's for the same reason. Both are better suited to play on the line of scrimmage.

Comparing Mario to Watt has nothing to do with getting Mario out of town. Watt is a fantastic football player and a great athlete. Nothing about that comparison is an effort to diminish Mario.

 

[leebigeztx]

I see murphy still making up stuff. Mario has never said he wouldn't play inside nor gave the hint. In fact, I had the mizzou kid going to houston and watt to cowboys,but sf took aldon and houston took watt. I still don't get it why u would just make stuff up. Fact is,he consulted bruce smith on playing 5 technique for wade. Smith at 278 lbs did it and got sacks and pressured the qb,but now all of a sudden,he doesn't want to play the 5. Whatever,keep on ur bs parade.

 

[thunderkyss]

I brought this up 8 pages ago..People seem to think that if they don't see a guy charging up field like a madman every play or his arms & hands flailing everywhere he's dogging it.

Here's something i found interesting when i saw this top 100 show on NFL network last year. Pay attention to what Kubes says about mario at about the 1.30 mark. I think this pertains to this current convo about his motor and why the guy is always nicked up and ultimately why this kid might be worth us pursuing.....to a point.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gHwQSraaPY

I know there's some truth in what kubes is saying, i just don't know how much. For instance, i know this is probably true for a guy like freeney.

Great video. It was nice to see Kubiak on the sideline, you don't ever see that side of him through most film.

 

[dalemurphy]

I see murphy still making up stuff. Mario has never said he wouldn't play inside nor gave the hint. In fact, I had the mizzou kid going to houston and watt to cowboys,but sf took aldon and houston took watt. I still don't get it why u would just make stuff up. Fact is,he consulted bruce smith on playing 5 technique for wade. Smith at 278 lbs did it and got sacks and pressured the qb,but now all of a sudden,he doesn't want to play the 5. Whatever,keep on ur bs parade.

This is the first thing Mario ever said publicly after Wade was hired (not, I'm excited or looking forward to it)... but, this:

“If a pass develops, you’re pretty much rushing the guard. If I have to do it, I have to do it, but it would be a huge change.”

Later, Wade went into great detail explaining what Mario's role would be and that he sees him as a 5 technique and used like he used Bruce Smith. He compared Mario's role and ability to Elvin Bethea. He even explained why Mario wouldn't be suited that well for OLB, explaining the false steps he saw Mario take on tape when he stood up in years' prior. Note also, that everything changed while the lockout was ongoing. So, there were no workouts or practices to convince Wade that Mario should play OLB. As Mario said, I'm sure he would have played the position if he had to. But, he didn't like the idea, as you can see, and who knows how much complaining he did about it behind closed doors. I know that he is accustomed to getting what he wants from the Texan coaches. I don't remember if it was Richard Smith or Frank Bush that would ask Mario during the game what his favorite calls were and then make the calls so Mario could go make plays.

** It's interesting that some of you think you have the inside market on the truth. I don't get it. I can't count how many times I've been called a liar or accused of lying. Instead of saying, I don't think he said anything like that" or "I don't remember that" or "who cares"... You open with I'm "making stuff up again".

 

[thunderkyss]

Watt is 1.5 inches shorter.
Watt wieghed 5 pounds less.
Mario performed 35 bps to Watt's 34.
Mario jumped 40.5 inches to Watt's 37 inches.
Mario ran a 4.66 to Watt's 4.81.
Identical broad jump
Watt's 3 cone was 6.88 compared to 7.21
Watt's shuttle was 4.21 compared to 4.37

I'm struggling to see the distinction between the two that you are wanting to make. Are you saying that Mario is stronger because he did 35 instead of 34? His 40 and his vertical are a little better. Does that mean he is faster and more explosive? Considering they had an identical broad jump and that Watt's 3 cone was significantly faster as was his shuttle, you would be hardpressed to say Mario showed more explosion or speed.

Objectively, I would say they are not the same athlete. The "little differences" does put Mario in a different class. To me, the vertical & the 40 differences does say that Mario is more explosive. The 3 cone & shuttle tells me Jj changes direction better.... but he has a more compact frame, so you would expect that.

His change of direction & what I believe appears to be a better football IQ, would make him a better OLB than Mario (imo).

** by the way, Watt could probably emulate those numbers while Mario would likely not be able to come close to his combine results now that he's been in the league for 6 years. Injuries and the physicality of the league has surely taken its toll.

They said the same about Randy Moss.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm sorry but if you can't see the difference (which is not to say JJ iis a lesser athlete only clearly different) then I can't help you.

As I have said twice at least now, Mario has the kind of athleticism to convert to OLB at a very high level. JJ will not do that. If anything coaches would tend to trend him inside to DT.

eh... semantics.

We drafted Mario thinking he could & would play every position on the line. Didn't happen. His rookie year, some thought he showed difficulty switching sides.. or moving inside & demanded he stayed at one position. I personally never felt that way, but that is what I remember being said on this board, and obviously the coaches felt the same as he's never played inside since (he still switches sides though).

As far as OLB & Mario playing it at a high level, I question your meaning. We have Mario standing up outside the TE, but he's not really playing OLB in the true sense of the word. He's playing outside pass rusher.

We haven't seen (or at least I haven't) Jj Watt drop back into coverage at the pro level, but I have not seen anything to make me believe he wouldn't be as good, if not better, as a "true" 3-4 OLB than Mario Williams.

Do I think Jj Watt can rush the passer from the outside & get to the QB like Mario.... outside meaning the OLB spot.. hEllLLls no. As good as Brooks or Connor? definitely.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'll ask again, what does Mario have, athletically, that Watt lacks for OLB?

Review the late second quarter of the Cincy playoff game... Watt has the hand-eye coordination it takes to play out there. He is quicker and more agile. He's as fast, maybe faster within the 1st 20 yards...

I don't know what makes you think Watt is quicker inside 20 yards, nothing I've seen supports that. More agile..... I'll give you that. hand-eye coordination.... I'll agree as well (that he has it, not that it's any better than Mario's).

As an OLB, I think Jj Watt will probably be better. As a rush end... not so much. Mario is faster around the corner, period.

Here's the reality: Watt is willing to play inside and Mario is not. The Texans, if you recall, originally planned for Mario to play a 3-4 DE and then shifted their plans in April. Mario expressed concern about playing inside the tackle and the plan was eventually changed. I don't want Watt at OLB. I don't want Mario there, either. It's for the same reason. Both are better suited to play on the line of scrimmage.

Your reality. Show us a link where Mario expressed concern. Mario has said he was willing, whatever was best for the team. The generally accepted reasoning about moving Mario to OLB, was because we didn't get Aldon Smith & had to settle for Jj Watt (I say that facetiously).

Comparing Mario to Watt has nothing to do with getting Mario out of town. Watt is a fantastic football player and a great athlete. Nothing about that comparison is an effort to diminish Mario.

I agree, Jj Watt is amazing. Mario Williams is amazing.

 

[infantrycak]

Great video. It was nice to see Kubiak on the sideline, you don't ever see that side of him through most film.

From personal observation sitting on the Texans sideline I have been trying to tell people for years that Kubiak is much more fiery than the TV broadcast portrays.

As far as OLB & Mario playing it at a high level, I question your meaning. We have Mario standing up outside the TE, but he's not really playing OLB in the true sense of the word. He's playing outside pass rusher.

What? He absolutely is playing OLB as Wade uses OLB's.

 

[Playoffs]

Schefter -- Titans
Schlereth -- Patriots

 

[thunderkyss]

Getting pretty close to 3:00, shouldn't we have heard something by now if we signed Mario?

 

[dalemurphy]

Getting pretty close to 3:00, shouldn't we have heard something by now if we signed Mario?

Still 24 hours to go.

Also, Texans have been rewarded another $1.6 million in cap space. Surely, some of these Texan free agents will be signed by this evening.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Still 24 hours to go.

Also, Texans have been rewarded another $1.6 million in cap space. Surely, some of these Texan free agents will be signed by this evening.

Why? If you were a FA wouldn't you test the market just to see your worth around the league rather than just excepting the 1st and only offer?

 

[dalemurphy]

Why? If you were a FA wouldn't you test the market just to see your worth around the league rather than just excepting the 1st and only offer?

Not if the market was going to be flooded and/or I really wanted to stay in Houston. I don't think there is any way at least a couple of the following guys aren't signed by tomorrow morning:

Myers (probably)
Dreessen (maybe)
Biscuit (probably)
J.Allen (doubtful)
Dobbins (maybe)
Mario (hope not)

 

[HOU-TEX]

Not if the market was going to be flooded and/or I really wanted to stay in Houston. I don't think there is any way at least a couple of the following guys aren't signed by tomorrow morning:

Myers (probably)
Dreessen (maybe)
Biscuit (probably)
J.Allen (doubtful)
Dobbins (maybe)
Mario (hope not)

Doesn't matter if they want to stay in Houston or not. I think they will check the market to see where our offers (if any) stand. It's a business 1st and most players will do what's right for their families first.

 

[ckhouston]

I would agree that Mario is out of place as a 3-4 OLB.

Wade wouldn't ... think I will go with Mr Phillips on that one. He seems to know a little about the game.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Doesn't matter if they want to stay in Houston or not. I think they will check the market to see where our offers (if any) stand. It's a business 1st and most players will do what's right for their families first.

I agree, but I think we will see Myers pull an Orlando Pace/Leigh Bodden on some other team like the Packers, Broncos or Redskins and come back to the fold. Hopefully Brisiel and Dresseen do the same.

 

[leebigeztx]

This is the first thing Mario ever said publicly after Wade was hired (not, I'm excited or looking forward to it)... but, this:

“If a pass develops, you’re pretty much rushing the guard. If I have to do it, I have to do it, but it would be a huge change.”

Later, Wade went into great detail explaining what Mario's role would be and that he sees him as a 5 technique and used like he used Bruce Smith. He compared Mario's role and ability to Elvin Bethea. He even explained why Mario wouldn't be suited that well for OLB, explaining the false steps he saw Mario take on tape when he stood up in years' prior. Note also, that everything changed while the lockout was ongoing. So, there were no workouts or practices to convince Wade that Mario should play OLB. As Mario said, I'm sure he would have played the position if he had to. But, he didn't like the idea, as you can see, and who knows how much complaining he did about it behind closed doors. I know that he is accustomed to getting what he wants from the Texan coaches. I don't remember if it was Richard Smith or Frank Bush that would ask Mario during the game what his favorite calls were and then make the calls so Mario could go make plays.

** It's interesting that some of you think you have the inside market on the truth. I don't get it. I can't count how many times I've been called a liar or accused of lying. Instead of saying, I don't think he said anything like that" or "I don't remember that" or "who cares"... You open with I'm "making stuff up again".

You make up so many assumptions, you run out of asses. You said mario didn't want to play 5, then u quote something that doesn't even come close to stating that. If aldon smith was there to be drafted, mario would be the 5 tech. Since smith was drafted a couple of spot earlier and watt was the bpa, he was drafted and mario kicked to olb. Again, you continue to make up baseless bs. Continue on

 

[thunderkyss]

Doesn't matter if they want to stay in Houston or not. I think they will check the market to see where our offers (if any) stand. It's a business 1st and most players will do what's right for their families first.

That's not true. Marshawn Lynch signed his deal without testing the market. Some people have an idea what they are worth & will negotiate that up front. Money is a big part of the decision of where they are going to go & what they want to do, but there are all kinds of other reasons players decide to sign where they sign.

Andre has worked his deals, so he'll never be FA. He's not interested in "checking the market"

Then you've got guys who know their best option is in Houston.... Dressen's done the FA thing once already, JA has already seen what it's like to be a FA..... etc...

 

[mussop]

You make up so many assumptions, you run out of asses. You said mario didn't want to play 5, then u quote something that doesn't even come close to stating that. If aldon smith was there to be drafted, mario would be the 5 tech. Since smith was drafted a couple of spot earlier and watt was the bpa, he was drafted and mario kicked to olb. Again, you continue to make up baseless bs. Continue on

You accuse someone of making assumptions then you turn right around and make 2 or 3 in your next few sentences. And he's actually very accurate on everything he said in that post. What did you think Mario meant when he said he wasn't excited or looking forward to it?

How do you know Watt was BPA on the Texans big board? Maybe what Dale is saying has merit and he was the best available 5 tech. Robert Quin and Ryan Carrigan were both still available and were ranked very high as 3/4 OLB's. If they really wanted an OLB why not draft one of those guys?

There were very suspicious circumstances that led up to the announcement that Mario would be moving to OLB. In fact I started a thread about it at the time. I still believe more went on behind the scenes than was ever let on. Maybe that has something to do with why Mario ever made it to FA in the first place.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised to hear stuff like this start leaking out once he signs with another team.

 

[Brandon420tx]

Now there are reports that the Bears are going to make a high money offer for them. Ridiculousness. If they get him then I feel bad for Stafford, Peppers and Mario against their OTs

 

[gafftop]

What do you think if they blow up the offensive line for Mario?

 

[Second Honeymoon]

What do you think if they blow up the offensive line for Mario?

Looks like they just took Step One towards doing that. Hopefully it's to get Manning and not to overpay for Mario.

 

[TEXANRED]

Now there are reports that the Bears are going to make a high money offer for them. Ridiculousness. If they get him then I feel bad for Stafford, Peppers and Mario against their OTs

That would be sick, and I like the Bears too.

Mario would have to give up 90 though.

 

[aussie_texan]

Looks like they just took Step One towards doing that. Hopefully it's to get Manning and not to overpay for Mario.

if houston sign Manning I'm going to be so pissed.

ill just watch defence. when to offence comes out ill turn off the TV.