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Nfl combine primer

beerlover

beerlover

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Examiner: Alan Burge

http://www.examiner.com/houston-tex...-scouting-combine?CID=examiner_alerts_article

Day 1: Travel to Indianapolis; Registration; Hospital Pre-Exam & X-rays; Orientation; Interviews
Day 2: Measurements; Medical Examinations; Media; Psychological Testing; Interviews
Day 3: NFLPA Meeting; Psychological Testing; PK/ST Workout; Interviews
Day 4: Workout (timing, stations, skill drills); Departure from Indianapolis

Groups 1-3 arrive at Indianapolis on Wednesday, February 22 (their Day 1) and depart on Saturday, February 25 (their Day 4).

Groups 4-6 arrive at the combine on Thursday, February 23 and leave on Sunday the 26th.

Groups 7-9 arrive on Friday, February 24 and depart on Monday the 27th.

And finally the DBs (Groups 10-11) arrive on Saturday the 25th and leave on Tuesday the 28th.

Group 1: Kickers, Special Teams, Offensive Linemen
Group 2: Offensive Linemen
Group 3: Tight Ends
Group 4: Quarterbacks and Wide Receivers
Group 5: Quarterbacks and Wide Receivers
Group 6: Running Backs
Group 7: Defensive Linemen
Group 8: Defensive Linemen
Group 9: Linebackers
Group 10: Defensive Backs
Group 11: Defensive Backs

Mark your calendar, program DVR, whatever method you prefer fellow draftnicks, Texan fans it's time for annual ritual of breaking down incoming future NFL players at Indy. :kitten:
 
here is a Bleecher report, yeah I know, that highlights 15 players who should perform well @ the combine: they even have a clip on Mike Martin, NT Michigan widely disputed here in regards to draft grade, rmartin65 no relation? Has him mocked to Texans in 3rd rd. which would be nice pick, if he's still there? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ominate-the-40-bench-and-other-drills/page/15
For all the rest just click on the link & make your favorite selection, Who will shine in this years, 2012 Combine? Personally I hope that Joe Adams doesn't run a sub 4.35 or something, really like Texans to have a shot @ him in 2nd. (never mind Bleecher has a 4th rd. grade).http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ominate-the-40-bench-and-other-drills/page/14 Joe Adams is close as Texans will get to Wright in this draft.
 
beerlover said:
here is a Bleecher report, yeah I know, that highlights 15 players who should perform well @ the combine: they even have a clip on Mike Martin, NT Michigan widely disputed here in regards to draft grade, rmartin65 no relation? Has him mocked to Texans in 3rd rd. which would be nice pick, if he's still there? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ominate-the-40-bench-and-other-drills/page/15
For all the rest just click on the link & make your favorite selection, Who will shine in this years, 2012 Combine? Personally I hope that Joe Adams doesn't run a sub 4.35 or something, really like Texans to have a shot @ him in 2nd. (never mind Bleecher has a 4th rd. grade).http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ominate-the-40-bench-and-other-drills/page/14 Joe Adams is close as Texans will get to Wright in this draft.
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Nice find BL. Bleacher Report is not a terrible source, you just need to realize it is just like our board here- a bunch of guys who like the draft/NFL, but are by no means experts.

I am not related to Mike Martin, just to clarify. But I do see him dominating the bench, and surprising at the 40. And alas, I do see him moving down into the second, just as the article states.

This looks like it is going to be a fast combine- a lot of these receivers and DBs are in the 4.3s, and a few have been times in the 4.2s. it will be something to watch.
 
Rg3 just ran 4.38 40 at 24.9 miles per hour I think they said, damn I'm not sure I can ride my bike that fast. LOL. I can't wait to see the WR's later today.
 
pirbroke said:
He looked good in catching drills, I know it's more than the 40 but he is going to have a lot of scouts going back to his tapes after today
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They're going to see a guy who wasn't thrown to much. Why would a top WR recruit ever go to GA Tech?
 
Even a white dude ran in 4,30s , This year the WR class has some speed like we have not seen in awhile, What a great year to go in the draft with WR as a top need.
 
Very impressed with RGIII's interview on NFL Network right now. I've never really watched him or heard him speak and the first thing I got right away is that this guy is smart. There is a sense of calm about him and he has a presence about him. It was just one short interview but man it impressed the hell out of me.
 
Consider me off the draft Sanu wagon. I know it's the 40 time isn't even that important but I figured Sanu needed to hit a 4.5 for scouts/gm's to go "I can live with that speed". He'd be a great 2nd round pick though if we get some other player in the 1st.
 
Also, the best part of the combine is Rich Eisen being superimposed on the 40 times of Luck, Newton and Griffin with a 6 yard head start.
 
Wow Kendal wright was not as fast as expected. Maybe he will fall to #26. The real question is whether or not smithiack would use a first round pick on a smaller WR. Especially when there should be some bigger faster guys available later in the draft.
 
b0ng said:
Also, the best part of the combine is Rich Eisen being superimposed on the 40 times of Luck, Newton and Griffin with a 6 yard head start.
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I enjoy tidbits by former NFL greats like Michael Irvin "most people think speed is most important for a WR, but really the most important thing a WR can have is body control".
 
mussop said:
Wow Kendal wright was not as fast as expected. Maybe he will fall to #26. The real question is whether or not smithiack would use a first round pick on a smaller WR. Especially when there should be some bigger faster guys available later in the draft.
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I think I have read he is a good blocker even with his height, He ran slow on purpose so he will fall to the Texans, LOL. I can only dream.
 
beerlover said:
I enjoy tidbits by former NFL greats like Michael Irvin "most people think speed is most important for a WR, but really the most important thing a WR can have is body control".
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There is a lot waste to fight through, but the best part of the combine is the football knowledge that can be gained from the announcers. It will keep you from doing too much simple or lazy analysis of prospects, or how teams draft and put together rosters. The audio portion is very underrated.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
There is a lot waste to fight through, but the best part of the combine is the football knowledge that can be gained from the announcers. It will keep you from doing too much simple or lazy analysis of prospects, or how teams draft and put together rosters. The audio portion is very underrated.
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Honestly, if NFLN just had like cameras on drills and nobody talking over it I'd enjoy it quite a bit. Well, I guess Mayock would be alright, but he's like the only one who I actually pay attention to on that network when it comes to talking about the draft.

Anybody else notice that Luck and Newton put up very similar combine numbers? Does that make Luck a "running quarterback"? (lol no)
 
Kurt Warner is a natural, he would have been an excellent fit on Monday Night Football.

Also, stuck on Wright 4 Texans
 
Lucky said:
They're going to see a guy who wasn't thrown to much. Why would a top WR recruit ever go to GA Tech?
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Calvin Johnosn 1st Wr in the draft..D.thomas 1st Wr in his draft...S. Hill probably a 2nd rounder...That a darn good record for a so-call running school.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Calvin Johnosn 1st Wr in the draft..D.thomas 1st Wr in his draft...S. Hill probably a 2nd rounder...That a darn good record for a so-call running school.
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Johnson never played in the flexbone and Thomas was recruited by Chan Gailey, who ran a pro style multiple offense. Hill came to Tech knowing they were a run first, second, and third offense. Weird.
 
That Kendall Wright is so slow I hope the first 25 teams realize he is terrible and pass on him.
 
badboy said:
That Kendall Wright is so slow I hope the first 25 teams realize he is terrible and pass on him.
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Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.
 
Nawzer said:
Very impressed with RGIII's interview on NFL Network right now. I've never really watched him or heard him speak and the first thing I got right away is that this guy is smart. There is a sense of calm about him and he has a presence about him. It was just one short interview but man it impressed the hell out of me.
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Yep

RG3 is going to be what Vick should've been.

He is going to revolutionize the QB position. IMHO

Brains, unreal talent, work ethic, Somebody is going to have to pay big time to et him and he's going to be worth it.
 
Insideop said:
Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.
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So you'd take Hill over Wright ?
 
Insideop said:
Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.
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This mentality is exactly why a lot of GM's can't keep jobs. 40 times don't mean a whole lot in my view. Look at Arian's 40 time and tell me he's not fast enough. Look at Jerry Rice's 40 time and tell me, Anquan Boldin, etc, etc, etc. The thing is you have to turn on the game tape and watch.

I can guarantee you there's not one GM right now who really feels like Wright's 40 time in shorts is indicative of his "game speed". The guy runs by Big 12 corners like its nothing on a regular basis. There are some guys who post great 40 times, but when you watch them on film it doesn't translate to the field. I don't care if Wright ran a 5.0 today the guy and flat out fly on the field while he's being covered. That's all I need to see from a player.
 
Insideop said:
Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.
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badboy :sarcasm:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
So you'd take Hill over Wright ?
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I don`t know if you`d take Hill over Wright - but for a WR like Wright, a real bad 40 time is a little bit of a red flag. That is a guy who depends on speed and good route running to get seperation. If you take away speed in the NFL, you will have a hard time to get open if you are that small.

So you either bet, that he plays a lot faster than he clocks, or you have a guy here, that benefitted greatly from the lesser competition at the College level.

As for Hill: a good combine isn`t everything - it`s how you play the game. I haven`t seen nearly enough of him to judge. But he definetly put his name on the map today.

Too bad that Floyd will be long gone by the time we pick. When I look at him I see a future star. But he also helped himself a lot today.

Maybe Ruben Randle might be interesting for us - if he`s not too much of a prospect.

Or we pass on a WR in the first and take Poe - that guy is a monster...
 
LikeMike said:
I don`t know if you`d take Hill over Wright - but for a WR like Wright, a real bad 40 time is a little bit of a red flag. That is a guy who depends on speed and good route running to get seperation. If you take away speed in the NFL, you will have a hard time to get open if you are that small.

So you either bet, that he plays a lot faster than he clocks, or you have a guy here, that benefitted greatly from the lesser competition at the College level.

As for Hill: a good combine isn`t everything - it`s how you play the game. I haven`t seen nearly enough of him to judge. But he definetly put his name on the map today.

Too bad that Floyd will be long gone by the time we pick. When I look at him I see a future star. But he also helped himself a lot today.

Maybe Ruben Randle might be interesting for us - if he`s not too much of a prospect.

Or we pass on a WR in the first and take Poe - that guy is a monster...
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I don't see us taking WR in the first round. After the top two the value just isn't there. The next (BIG) group of WR's are all fairly equal.
 
mussop said:
I don't see us taking WR in the first round. After the top two the value just isn't there. The next (BIG) group of WR's are all fairly equal.
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That's how I'm seeing it. Maybe they're will be an opportunity for a trade down. I think the Texans should take a couple of WRs in the first 4 rounds, increasing their odds of one of them hitting. It's a deep crop, but most of the WRs look like #2s or #3s at best. Blackman is probably the only star, and I would rank him behind Green and Jones from 2011.
 
Lucky said:
That's how I'm seeing it. Maybe they're will be an opportunity for a trade down. I think the Texans should take a couple of WRs in the first 4 rounds, increasing their odds of one of them hitting. It's a deep crop, but most of the WRs look like #2s or #3s at best. Blackman is probably the only star, and I would rank him behind Green and Jones from 2011.
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I don't see forcing a WR just to get one in the 1st .
 
Lucky said:
That's how I'm seeing it. Maybe they're will be an opportunity for a trade down. I think the Texans should take a couple of WRs in the first 4 rounds, increasing their odds of one of them hitting. It's a deep crop, but most of the WRs look like #2s or #3s at best. Blackman is probably the only star, and I would rank him behind Green and Jones from 2011.
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Agreed

Floyd and Blackmon are the studs.

Hopefully Tannehill will fall and the Redskins will want to trade up to get him.

The Virginia Tech guy on the MB told us about Coale. He really opened eyes today. VT guy needs to be repped. I dont know how to look him up.

I've got a feeling that Griffin and Wright will end up as teammates together on the Browns.

I'm still on the Randle bandwagon in the 1st (he will run faster at his pro day)e 4th as a slotWR/PR.

My guy Jordan White was a major disappointment today. But he has great hands and a real feel for how to play WR.

Is it just me or do the WR's seem to be much faster this yr?
 
beerlover said:
I still like Wright in first. Who knows? If Hill is there in the 2nd I would be tempted to take him too.
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Me too

It would take the major weakness on this team and turn it into a strength. The stopwatch may have said 4.61. But K.Wright plays much faster than that.

I see Wright and Griffin having about the same game speed. Wright will run much faster at his pro day. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
Me too

It would take the major weakness on this team and turn it into a strength. The stopwatch may have said 4.61. But K.Wright plays much faster than that.

I see Wright and Griffin having about the same game speed. Wright will run much faster at his pro day. IMHO
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I agree, Wright can run much faster. Both his starts looked off, almost like a very slight stumble. It's impossible to run a good 40 if you get a bad start, it's too short of a race to overcome a bad first 10
 
steelbtexan said:
I've got a feeling that Griffin and Wright will end up as teammates together on the Browns.
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If so, then that means Wright will fall to the 2nd round. Because the Browns will have to cough up that extra 1st round pick to move up for Griffin (well worth it, IMO).
 
I'd been posting this on wrong thread. I guess this is the right one.

So I guess, WR prospects situation may go down like the following.

Blackmon Top 5
Floyd Top 20
Randle, Hill, Streeter Late 1st to eary 2nd?
Quick, Toon, McNutt 2nd to 3rd

Jeffery and Fuller didn't run so don't know where they fit.

Devon Wylie for our possible kick/punt return specialist?
 
Lucky said:
Johnson never played in the flexbone and Thomas was recruited by Chan Gailey, who ran a pro style multiple offense. Hill came to Tech knowing they were a run first, second, and third offense. Weird.
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Maybe he just wanted to go GT for social, academic, limited other options, etc...kinda like non-FB players do.

Still even a "better" offense, GT was not that good at passing even with Johnson. It is probably freaky for any school to have three WRs in five years go in the top 2 rounds. chalking it to just odd more than anything.
 
Lucky said:
That's how I'm seeing it. Maybe they're will be an opportunity for a trade down. I think the Texans should take a couple of WRs in the first 4 rounds, increasing their odds of one of them hitting. It's a deep crop, but most of the WRs look like #2s or #3s at best. Blackman is probably the only star, and I would rank him behind Green and Jones from 2011.
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Handling the draft board becomes more important at the bottom of the round. Often there is highly rated guy at a non-need or low priority position or a team is trying to take the highest player on its 2nd level at a need position. It is a spot where there is a great deal of activity both up and down trying to maximize value. A good year to see what Rick Smith is made of.
 
wright running a slow 40 doesn't surprise me honestly..he doesn't look all that fast on tape to me..he may be a little faster than his 40 indicates but i suspect not much faster. spread offenses always make guys look faster than they really are b/c all the space on the field.
 
Mr teX said:
wright running a slow 40 doesn't surprise me honestly..he doesn't look all that fast on tape to me..
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The Big 12 must be loaded with slow DBs, because Wright was running away from all of them.
 
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