How the hell do we get Justin Blackmon?

[drs23]

Never said they were going for RGIII or Luck. We have very few needs in this year's draft. A healthy Schaub and we were legitimate contenders to get to the AFC championship game, a stout #2 WR and we'd be in the big show. This is a passing league, anything we can do to pull another safety out of the box and let Foster go nutty will benefit us (odd backwards thinking I know).

Blackmon is the best solution to our problem regardless of the hurdles needed to acquire him. Trade up and trade aggressively. It's a no brainer.

DO NOT AGREE. There's no sense in going all Ditka here. We certainly need a legit #2 receiver, no doubt. As others have mentioned there are several that will be available in FA. Robert Meachem has always caught my eye. Don't know how much he would cost though. I also wonder how much Bob's view on signing FAs has changed after the success with JJo and Manning.

Guess I need to get over to the Mock Draft section to see what our resident Draftnics have to say. They're pretty damn good ya know.

This will be a very interesting off season. Can't wait to see how it shakes out. Unlike many others here I think Rick Smith has a handle on what's going on and will do what he needs to do.

 

[badboy]

What on earth makes you think Philly would be interested in Mario Williams when they already have Babin and Trent Cole? They'd be one of the last teams in the league that would be interested in Mario. Washington already has a lot invested in their DE as well, but Snyder is more of a succer for sure.

We already had this conversation (apologies if it was someone else). I think Babin is way over rated and his sacks are stat heavy.

 

[Texecutioner]

We already had this conversation (apologies if it was someone else). I think Babin is way over rated and his sacks are stat heavy.

Well you may feel that way, but you're kidding yourself if you think that Philly would invest in Mario Williams when they have several other holes on that team, and realistically DE is "not" a hole on that team whether you think that Babin is overrated or not. And it matters what Philly thinks of Babin and they're in love with him over there. He isn't going anywhere.

 

[badboy]

He says that every time trading Mario comes up, but doesn't seem to care when people point out that the Eagles have two great DE's under contract for the future. Not to mention they just signed Jenkins last year to a multi-year deal...

I have addressed this with you before. I do not agree with your evaluation of Jason Babin. The slight increase in Philly defense under the new DC was against weak teams and many question if Lurie will allow Reid to continue with the defensive efforts he has received. Here is one quote

But Lurie’s comments make clear that Lurie expects more in 2012. “If I didn’t think next year would be substantially better, I’d be standing up here announcing a coaching change,” Lurie said.

In other words, if it’s not what Lurie thinks it will be in 2012, Lurie very well could be making a change. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Another quote to support my position:

Citing league sources, the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that it is "all but certain" that Rams HC Steve Spagnuolo will take over as Eagles defensive coordinator in 2012.Kevin Acee of the Union-Trib seconds NFL Network speculation that Rams owner Stan Kroenke will "clean house" after the season. Andy Reid recently gave current DC Juan Castillo the dreaded vote of confidence, but Profootballtalk reported three weeks ago that the change will have to be made in order for Reid to stick as head coach. Spagnuolo should be a major upgrade on the former offensive line coach. Dec 27 - 1:35 PMSource: San Diego Union-Tribune

Trent Cole while recording 11 sacks will be 30 Oct next season. Babin will be 32 in May of next season & his recently signed contract pays him $15m next 3 seasons. I can see that Mario could offer something at either spot. Jenkins is a DT and does not effect signing Mario, in fact he could be a stop gap NT in 3-4.

I think it is obvious that Philly threw the dice with free agents & it is also obvious something did not go well. Their dream team turned into a night mare. I think a 3-4 defense is an option with Mario playing OLB and Babin the other OLB to prolong his career. Cole remains at DE.

 

[badboy]

We are right at the cap now, and we know Schaub, Smith, Winston and AJ's contracts are escalating a few million, which should more than offset any savings in cut contracts. Then we have to figure that Myers and Foster will be resigned for more than the ~$3.2 million they are earning collectively now.

Our hands are tied due to this ridiculous balloon payment in his contract, and we can't afford to franchise Mario and get stuck holding the bag. They need to work out a deal with him to play for the Texans or let him walk. The best thing for Mario and his agent would be for the Texans to franchise him for one year, let him play his ass off and get a HUGE payday in 2013. All the while he gets about $17 million for one year's work and indirectly prevents us from signing Foster long-term or going after other free agents.

You did not state which Smith you were refering to but Schaub ($5.7 to $7.15), AJ ($6 to $6.5) and Winston ( $4.5 to $5.5) = an increase of $2.95m for all three. A Long term deal for Mario could set his first year salary at $3m base and saving resulting could be $9m.

 

[Dutchrudder]

You did not state which Smith you were refering to but Schaub ($5.7 to $7.15), AJ ($6 to $6.5) and Winston ( $4.5 to $5.5) = an increase of $2.95m for all three. A Long term deal for Mario could set his first year salary at $3m base and saving resulting could be $9m.

Well both Smiths are getting salary escalations, but the point is that we are going to have less to cap room to work with. It's going to require more cuts like letting go of Lienart, Rackers and cutting Jacoby if we want to re-sign Mario, Myers and give Foster a good deal. I don't think we will be able to afford all three of those, but if we F-tag Mario then we have to give him a deal or trade him for peanuts. It's a bad position for the front office and I think if we can't get him to sign a deal we would be better off letting him walk.

 

[steelbtexan]

Well both Smiths are getting salary escalations, but the point is that we are going to have less to cap room to work with. It's going to require more cuts like letting go of Lienart, Rackers and cutting Jacoby if we want to re-sign Mario, Myers and give Foster a good deal. I don't think we will be able to afford all three of those, but if we F-tag Mario then we have to give him a deal or trade him for peanuts. It's a bad position for the front office and I think if we can't get him to sign a deal we would be better off letting him walk.

Yep

Then you can spend that $$$$ on WR2/CB2 or a NT.

It's too risky to try to franchise and trade MW for the reasons you listed above.

Atleast you should be able to get a supplemental 3rd for MW in 2013 in addition to the FA's that you could sign by letting MW walk. It's not the optimal position to be in as a franchise. But all is not lost.

 

[Goldensilence]

Realistically I think there's a fair chance Blackmon goes #2 to StL. They've got a franchise QB, got an investment at T, some defensive players to build around in Long and Larenitas.

They're a mess at WR though and with new ownership coming in, might want to make a splash with the fans.

 

[Wolf6151]

I think it would be cost prohibitive for the Texans to move up as high as it would take to get Blackmon. Also this is a very deep draft at the WR position and there will be lots of good ones available when we pick. Dwight Jones or Mohamed Sanu?

 

[gary]

I still believe in making a trade up for a once in a lifetime player like Blackmon not every year to do that kind of move but this year I don't think it would hurt the team too much JMHO.

 

[Corrosion]

I still believe in making a trade up for a once in a lifetime player like Blackmon not every year to do that kind of move but this year I don't think it would hurt the team too much JMHO.

Reggie Bush was that once in a lifetime player .....


Rickey was too stoned to play .... and he cost a lot too. Still a solid NFL back but not worth the cost.

Julio Jones helped the Falcons go 0-2 against the Aints.

They also went 1-4 against playoff teams.


I dont discount the ability of either Blackmon on Julio Jones but they gave up a hell of a lot to get him when they needed a whole lot more help than just Julio Jones .... They did get the second best WR in that draft but at a hell of a cost.

IMO You only make that type of move if you are One player away from winning it all .... The Falcons werent. (Tho it will be difficult for the Aints to beat them a 3rd time).

Are the Texans One Player Away from a Lombardi Trophy?

 

[gary]

Reggie Bush was that once in a lifetime player .....


Rickey was too stoned to play .... and he cost a lot too. Still a solid NFL back but not worth the cost.

Julio Jones helped the Falcons go 0-2 against the Aints.

They also went 1-4 against playoff teams.


I dont discount the ability of either Blackmon on Julio Jones but they gave up a hell of a lot to get him when they needed a whole lot more help than just Julio Jones .... They did get the second best WR in that draft but at a hell of a cost.

They could still get their help this year and next. Aren't they still in the playoffs this year?

 

[Corrosion]

They could still get their help this year and next. Aren't they still in the playoffs this year?

They have no first or fourth rounder this coming draft.


Yes they are still in the playoffs but ... I give them no shot at winning. 1-4 against playoff teams should tell you something.

 

[JCTexan]

They have no first or fourth rounder this coming draft.


Yes they are still in the playoffs but ... I give them no shot at winning. 1-4 against playoff teams should tell you something.

No shot at winning a game or no shot at going deep into the playoffs?

 

[Playoffs]

Let's see his Combine numbers -- like size.

I like size now for WRs -- if he's 6'0" I don't think I reach for him. I'm liking the NE approach of monster TEs w/hands.

 

[gary]

They have no first or fourth rounder this coming draft.


Yes they are still in the playoffs but ... I give them no shot at winning. 1-4 against playoff teams should tell you something.

They still have two, three, five, six, and seven. Plus free agency to boot.

 

[Corrosion]

No shot at winning a game or no shot at going deep into the playoffs?

I think they have a chance to win a game against the Giants .....Tho I favor NY in this game.
I dont give them much of a shot after that due to their performance against playoff teams and they will play each game on the road.

Win against the Giants and they face either Green Bay in Lambeau or San Fran in Candlestick pending the outcome of the NO vs Det game ....

GB already beat the Falcons in Atlanta early in the year. This time the Packers would be at home.

San Fran was 4-1 against playoff teams this year and 7-1 at home .... Atlanta was 1-4 against playoff teams and 4-4 on the road.

The NFC playoff bracket is deep this year. I think there are five teams in the NFC better .... all of them in the playoffs.

 

[Texecutioner]

They have no first or fourth rounder this coming draft.


Yes they are still in the playoffs but ... I give them no shot at winning. 1-4 against playoff teams should tell you something.

Not having a first and a 4th round pick isn't going to hurt them one bit. The 1st round pick is the only part that stings a little, but they've got two premier WR's for years now. 4th round picks are a total roll of the dice any way, and they weren't going to have a high 1st rounder either. THe Julio Jones move was a good move by the Falcons. They can still make some strong moves in free agency to off set losing the 1st round pick as well. If I were them I'd continue to build that defense. The reason why they lost to the Saints twice is simply the difference between Matt Ryan and Drew Brees. That's why the Saints won. They have Brees

 

[Texecutioner]

Let's see his Combine numbers -- like size.

I like size now for WRs -- if he's 6'0" I don't think I reach for him. I'm liking the NE approach of monster TEs w/hands.

I think that mainly works because Brady is such a technition on that team. I don't think a lot of teams could do that the way that the Patriots do. The Pats utilize their TE's so much because they don't have a valid deep threat and the rest of their WR's are midgets.

 

[markn]

Houston is a funny sports city. With the rockets you've got a team, gm and owner desperate to do whatever it takes to land a super-star just to get the club competitive again, but can't find a trade partner or free agent to dance with. Yet with the Texans, you're looking at a franchise that's perhaps one major splash away from becoming a genuinely elite club, but you get the sense that neither the gm nor owner would even consider the kind of trade required to make it happen. Ho hum.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Houston is a funny sports city. With the rockets you've got a team, gm and owner desperate to do whatever it takes to land a super-star just to get the club competitive again, but can't find a trade partner or free agent to dance with. Yet with the Texans, you're looking at a franchise that's perhaps one major splash away from becoming a genuinely elite club, but you get the sense that neither the gm nor owner would even consider the kind of trade required to make it happen. Ho hum.

Different sports. In basketball, one great player matters. In football, having a great player at any position except for QB, is good, but not truly significant.

Unless the texans determine that the only thing from them and the Superbowl is a very good WR (or other position) then the trade up for that guy makes sense. Outside of that, football is game of having as many good players as possible versus 7 or 8 in basketball.

 

[Goldensilence]

Justin Blackmon once in a life time? Hardly.

There's only two people I put in that category: Peyton Manning and Calvin Johnson.

It's going to be a solid draft for WR, but honestly I'd rather spend for one in FA. This offensive staff just can't seem to develop the WR position.

 

[Mr teX]

Reggie Bush was that once in a lifetime player .....


Rickey was too stoned to play .... and he cost a lot too. Still a solid NFL back but not worth the cost.

Julio Jones helped the Falcons go 0-2 against the Aints.

They also went 1-4 against playoff teams.


I dont discount the ability of either Blackmon on Julio Jones but they gave up a hell of a lot to get him when they needed a whole lot more help than just Julio Jones .... They did get the second best WR in that draft but at a hell of a cost.

IMO You only make that type of move if you are One player away from winning it all .... The Falcons werent. (Tho it will be difficult for the Aints to beat them a 3rd time).

Are the Texans One Player Away from a Lombardi Trophy?

This indeed is the question & I for 1 don't think we are. I think we are a few pieces away.

We have at least 2-3 more years of AJ being as dominant as he is now & I think we'll be fine drafting a young guy with more upside than JJ & Walter to play 2nd fiddle to him for those few years he has left being the lead dog. When the time comes to address getting a stud WR then & only then should we look at drastic moves like this to put us over the top.

We've still got issues @ cb#2, NT & i'm tempted to add RT seeing as how Winston's been playing the last couple of years. If we were move into the top 5 to try to get Blackmon, we couldn't really be addressing at least 1 of these areas for at least a year. Mainly b/c guys who are good at those positions usually don't come free very often in FA (& if they do, you're going to be coming off lots of money) whereas WR's capable of playing a solid/good #2 are usually plentiful. We know just about all of the prospects that'll be available for us in the upcoming draft.

take a look at who we could potentially land in FA next year:

Steve Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
DeSean Jackson
Wes Welker
Marques Colston
Brandon Lloyd
Laurent Robinson
Robert Meachem
Mario Manningham
Steve Smith
Early Doucet

Are we likely to land any of the top 3-4? probably not, but any of those after that i think are fair game & i'd take in a heartbeat of JJ or KW as a #2.

you couple any 1 of these guys with AJ & say a Mohammed Sanu, Nick Toon or Jeff Fuller & think we'd be fine for the next few years...............Then once AJ fades into the twilight of his career we'll be able to see if our young guy steps up or fades. If he fades......... then we just look to the draft that year & target the next phenom WR coming out.

 

[ObsiWan]

Reggie Bush was that once in a lifetime player .....


Rickey was too stoned to play .... and he cost a lot too. Still a solid NFL back but not worth the cost.

Julio Jones helped the Falcons go 0-2 against the Aints.

They also went 1-4 against playoff teams.


I dont discount the ability of either Blackmon on Julio Jones but they gave up a hell of a lot to get him when they needed a whole lot more help than just Julio Jones .... They did get the second best WR in that draft but at a hell of a cost.

IMO You only make that type of move if you are One player away from winning it all .... The Falcons werent. (Tho it will be difficult for the Aints to beat them a 3rd time).

Are the Texans One Player Away from a Lombardi Trophy?

That's damned good question. I think we are.
But it ain't at WR.

It's at #2 CB.

When I think of the havok Wade could unleash if he didn't have to cover for Allen/Jackson.... man...
I don't know if there's a J.Jo quality CB in this draft, but if I were Rick Smith, I'd use this draft to give Wade even MORE tools in his toolbox. More toys to entice him to stay a while longer.
I'll find Kubiak/Dennison a quality #2 WR in F/A or in the later rounds.

I'm sure I'm in the minority but that's my

 

[Texecutioner]

This indeed is the question & I for 1 don't think we are. I think we are a few pieces away.

We have at least 2-3 more years of AJ being as dominant as he is now & I think we'll be fine drafting a young guy with more upside than JJ & Walter to play 2nd fiddle to him for those few years he has left being the lead dog. When the time comes to address getting a stud WR then & only then should we look at drastic moves like this to put us over the top.

We've still got issues @ cb#2, NT & i'm tempted to add RT seeing as how Winston's been playing the last couple of years. If we were move into the top 5 to try to get Blackmon, we couldn't really be addressing at least 1 of these areas for at least a year. Mainly b/c guys who are good at those positions usually don't come free very often in FA (& if they do, you're going to be coming off lots of money) whereas WR's capable of playing a solid/good #2 are usually plentiful. We know just about all of the prospects that'll be available for us in the upcoming draft.

take a look at who we could potentially land in FA next year:

Steve Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
DeSean Jackson
Wes Welker
Marques Colston
Brandon Lloyd
Laurent Robinson
Robert Meachem
Mario Manningham
Steve Smith
Early Doucet

Are we likely to land any of the top 3-4? probably not, but any of those after that i think are fair game & i'd take in a heartbeat of JJ or KW as a #2.

you couple any 1 of these guys with AJ & say a Mohammed Sanu, Nick Toon or Jeff Fuller & think we'd be fine for the next few years...............Then once AJ fades into the twilight of his career we'll be able to see if our young guy steps up or fades. If he fades......... then we just look to the draft that year & target the next phenom WR coming out.

This team is easily capable of winning a SB, what are you talking about? Before we had all of the injuries we were "by far" The most complete team in the entire NFL. We have a top ten QB in Schaub, arguably the best WR in football, a top 5 TE, and arguably the best RB in football with a great back up in Tate behind him. We also had one of the best O lines in football. That's just the offense.

On defense we have had arguably the best D all year. Sure, we have a few pieces here and there that could be upgraded, but EVERY TEAM does as well. The only thing that really holds us back compared to other elite teams is the fact that we don't have an elite QB like Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Ben who isn't elite, but he's in his own category right between the elites in the 2nd tier guys.

There is no question whether or not if we're ready as a team "talent wise" to take it all. It's whether or not if Gary and Wade can get them there. No way in hell that happens with who we have at QB right now. We just have to hope for the best and expect the worst unfortunately, but we aren't a few pieces away. We're ready right now more than any team in the league unless you don't feel that Schaub is good enough to get us there, but that is something we can't do anything about right now. He is our guy.

 

[Texecutioner]

Justin Blackmon once in a life time? Hardly.

There's only two people I put in that category: Peyton Manning and Calvin Johnson.

I'd easily put Blackmon up there as far as talent wise with Calvin. Sure, Calvin looked a tad bit better talent wise, but that doesn't mean that Blackmon wouldn't be a total beast. There are usually one or two WR's like that who enter the draft every season. Bryant was one of them two drafts ago. Andre Johnson is easily right there with where Calvin was in my eyes when we drafted AJ.

I think Robert Griffin III is a better prospect than what Manning was personally. It's hard for people to agree with that in hind sight, but Griffin can throw just about as well and has amazing speed to go with it.

 

[Goldensilence]

I'd easily put Blackmon up there as far as talent wise with Calvin. Sure, Calvin looked a tad bit better talent wise, but that doesn't mean that Blackmon wouldn't be a total beast. There are usually one or two WR's like that who enter the draft every season. Bryant was one of them two drafts ago. Andre Johnson is easily right there with where Calvin was in my eyes when we drafted AJ.

I think Robert Griffin III is a better prospect than what Manning was personally. It's hard for people to agree with that in hind sight, but Griffin can throw just about as well and has amazing speed to go with it.

I'm not saying Blackmon won't be a beast in the NFL or that within every class there's some really great prospects like Blackmon, Bryant, AJ, Fitz, etc

Just by meaning once in a lifetime there's something that clearly sets them apart from the rest, Johnson is a physical freak with the skillset to go along. Barring injury the guy was a no miss prospect.

I don't think RG3 even comes close to Manning as a prospect. He might be more dynamic than Manning, but I don't think he's near as polished. I think Luck however, might be better than Peyton coming out of college.

 

[gary]

Don't take me so literally either. I must watch what I post around here.

 

[Mr teX]

This team is easily capable of winning a SB, what are you talking about? Before we had all of the injuries we were "by far" The most complete team in the entire NFL. We have a top ten QB in Schaub, arguably the best WR in football, a top 5 TE, and arguably the best RB in football with a great back up in Tate behind him. We also had one of the best O lines in football. That's just the offense.

On defense we have had arguably the best D all year. Sure, we have a few pieces here and there that could be upgraded, but EVERY TEAM does as well. The only thing that really holds us back compared to other elite teams is the fact that we don't have an elite QB like Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Ben who isn't elite, but he's in his own category right between the elites in the 2nd tier guys.

There is no question whether or not if we're ready as a team "talent wise" to take it all. It's whether or not if Gary and Wade can get them there. No way in hell that happens with who we have at QB right now. We just have to hope for the best and expect the worst unfortunately, but we aren't a few pieces away. We're ready right now more than any team in the league unless you don't feel that Schaub is good enough to get us there, but that is something we can't do anything about right now. He is our guy.

How can you make the above bolded statement & then say we aren't a few pieces away?

A bonafide starting caliber #2 CB & a bonafide starting caliber #2 WR = a few pieces, not 1 piece as the threadstarter asserts we are if we trade up to get Blackmon.

What you're saying, upgrades= replacing servicable starters i.e. what we need at RT & NT as Winston & Cody are indeed legitimate starters in this league, just not ideal. & yes i agree with you every team needs those.

What we have at the above mentioned positions are not starters in this league.

I think you make a valid point about schaub as well. He's top 10, but he's not Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees....the type of qb who could put his team on his shoulders & win it for the team. He's a guy that has to have the right conditions to be successful & thereby couldn't deal with the holes we have on this team....what's more is that this isn't even counting the coaching handicap.

If this team is going to go all the way, they have to be damn near perfect. They cannot go all the way with the holes we have now, they must be stout pretty much everywhere.

 

[Corrosion]

That's damned good question. I think we are.
But it ain't at WR.

It's at #2 CB.

When I think of the havok Wade could unleash if he didn't have to cover for Allen/Jackson.... man...
I don't know if there's a J.Jo quality CB in this draft, but if I were Rick Smith, I'd use this draft to give Wade even MORE tools in his toolbox. More toys to entice him to stay a while longer.
I'll find Kubiak/Dennison a quality #2 WR in F/A or in the later rounds.

I'm sure I'm in the minority but that's my

Honestly I dont care where they solve the problems as long as they solve them .... Tho I think WR is the more pressing of the two another high quality QB would make this defense even more dynamic.

 

[Texecutioner]

How can you make the above bolded statement & then say we aren't a few pieces away?

A bonafide starting caliber #2 CB & a bonafide starting caliber #2 WR = a few pieces, not 1 piece as the threadstarter asserts we are if we trade up to get Blackmon.

What you're saying, upgrades= replacing servicable starters i.e. what we need at RT & NT as Winston & Cody are indeed legitimate starters in this league, just not ideal. & yes i agree with you every team needs those.

What we have at the above mentioned positions are not starters in this league.

I think you make a valid point about schaub as well. He's top 10, but he's not Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees....the type of qb who could put his team on his shoulders & win it for the team. He's a guy that has to have the right conditions to be successful & thereby couldn't deal with the holes we have on this team....what's more is that this isn't even counting the coaching handicap.

If this team is going to go all the way, they have to be damn near perfect. They cannot go all the way with the holes we have now, they must be stout pretty much everywhere.

Every team has a few pieces like that though Mr. Tex. Look at the Pats. They've got a terrible defense, an average running game with no one great, small WR's where not one is a deep threat. THey have Tom Brady though, and with Tom anything can happen. THey've got a lot more pressing "needs" than we do though. The Packers have all these great pieces on offense, but a ton of holes on defense. The Saints are a pretty complete team, but they don't have the defense like we do, but they've got Brees which is the difference maker.

Every team in the post season has similar holes in different places or guys that can be upgraded. When we're fully healthy we're by far the most complete team though, so I'd say we're easily there. Could we still upgrade and get better? Certainly, but we're a stacked team compared to others IF WADE IS HERE. I think the key to the Texans though is to keep building this defense and keep them dominant. Upgrade certain pieces on offense here and there and keep the O line in tact to protect Schaub because he is not mobile. Look at the Steelers throughout this entire decade and they've had defense carry that team for years and that gets you through the post season especially if you have a QB who can make plays down the stretch. I think that Schaub can, but you can't put that responsibility on him to often. If you keep this defense in the top 3 of the league every year, your team will be extremely competitive and hard to beat. I see to many teams winning with that formula year in and year out and have top teams. The Titans from a few years ago and the Niners this year are perfect examples of what I'm talking about. The problem is that most teams don't "sustain" a great defense like that and continue to build it for the long haul. The Steelers and the Ravens have and that's exactly why they've been elite in the AFC year in and year out.

As far as Schaub compared to these other QB's, well we can't do anything about that. We're not going to stumble into some elite guy that is comparable to Brady or Rodgers. We'd have to tank an entire season and than wait several years for that guy to get to an elite level. Yates will "never" be that kind of guy despite all of the sunshine optimism people have tried to lay on this cat. He aint got it.

 

[gary]

How do we know Yates ain't got or that he won't get after just one season?

 

[Texecutioner]

How do we know Yates ain't got or that he won't get after just one season?

By watching him this year. I don't see anything in him to get excited for. Sure, he was thrown into the fire and put into a difficult situation, but I'd hate to dedicate a few seasons to see if he can ever develop into an elite type of QB. He might be capable of developing into a "servicable QB" like a Kyle Orton/Jake Delhomme type, but I don't ever see him being a top tier guy in this league, and I'd rather search really hard and try to draft a guy early in the draft at some point to replace Schaub. No one really had any aspirations of Yates being that guy over here until he was forced to play. He wasn't even considered an "after thought" before being thrown into the fire in the middle of this team's best winning streak in their history. People wanted to feel confident and optimistic about him since we were having a great season, but realistically there was no reason to think that he was going to get it done with all of the "next man up" slogans and everything. Yates is not the guy for the future here if anyone wants an elite type of QB which is what I constantly hear people bitching about not having or bitching that Shaub isn't.

 

[Mr teX]

How do we know Yates ain't got or that he won't get after just one season?

we don't, but would you bet the future of the team on a guy who's ceiling is probably somewhere around a Marc Bulger type? My guess is that you Probably wouldn't.

 

[Texecutioner]

we don't, but would you bet the future of the team on a guy who's ceiling is probably somewhere around a Marc Bulger type? My guess is that you Probably wouldn't.

Pretty good comparison as far as his height of his ceiling I'd say. He could improve a lot and surprise me, but I don't see Yates as anything I'd want to put the future in. His arm isn't prolific, he doesn't have top rate scrambling type of quickness and speed to get inside and outside of the pocket, and I have yet to see an "it factor" with him. Of course he has terrible WR's to throw to thus far, but I just don't see any type of great QB in him. He is a serviceable type of guy to me that could possibly surprise people and over achieve from time to time just like Bulger and Delhomme did at times.

 

[gary]

I am not saying invest in anyone but it is just to early to tell/say otherwise.

 

[Texecutioner]

I am not saying invest in anyone but it is just to early to tell/say otherwise.

Not for me it isn't. As far as I'm concerned he's just a late round draft pick that people got excited for because we lost two QB's and he got to play. I haven't seen anything out of him to get excited. The Texans have the ability to be patient and find that elite guy for the next few years while Schaub gets older. If they can find that one down year where they get an early pick like they did a few years ago than can get an elite guy perhaps. This is the best QB season I've ever seen personally when you have Luck and RG3 available. I'd trade the house to get either one of them.

 

[gary]

Not for me it isn't. As far as I'm concerned he's just a late round draft pick that people got excited for because we lost two QB's and he got to play. I haven't seen anything out of him to get excited. The Texans have the ability to be patient and find that elite guy for the next few years while Schaub gets older. If they can find that one down year where they get an early pick like they did a few years ago than can get an elite guy perhaps. This is the best QB season I've ever seen personally when you have Luck and RG3 available. I'd trade the house to get either one of them.

I think they should draft more quarterbacks for the future too I am sure there is someone else to invest in who is betta. I spelled it that way on purpose.

 

[LikeMike]

If we want him, we need a package similar to the one Atlanta used to get JJ. If we think he is our missing link, we should do that - but I do believe we have more holes to fill via draft.

In the first round, take the bpa at either WR, O-Line or NT. We need O-line depth (or another quality starter) badly - we can`t overcome serious injuries here. With a playmaking NT our defense would get almost unstopable. Walter and JJ are ok as #2 and #3 WR simply because we have other weapons (AJ, AF, OD) - but when we lose AJ to injury our receiving corps looks really bad.

We could also use some backup safeties, more LB depth and maybe even a FB or a TE.

So yes, draft a WR early - but don`t use all your draft picks to get him (including next year`s #1). We are not quite there yet...