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Here's the reality of the situation (It ain't pretty)
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Oh yeah, we are just like the Packers.......
If I was game planning against the Texans I would put my best pass rusher against Winston and throw the ball to whoever Jackson is covering. Caldwell looked pretty bad too.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
The fact that Kareem Jackson was covering Reggie Wayne is reason enough for why the Texans lost.
Pretty sad when you see him on an island with Wayne and know it's game over before the snap.
GP
Go Texans!
I think we're done. We won the South, and that's a good start to a better future for us. The "can we get to the playoffs???" monkey is off our backs, too.
The offense looked awful. All the **** that has happened has, IMO, taken its toll on our whole team. Well, I think MAYBE the defense is still trying to beast mode out there (Credit given to JJ Watt, Cushing, Reed, Ryans, hell all of them minus Kareem Jackson).
Our offense looks like they're happy we're locked into the playoffs no matter what we do the rest of the way. Correction: GARY KUBIAK looks like he's happy we're locked into the playoffs no matter what we do the rest of the way. We're just glad to be there! Winston is sucking really hard. And has for the past 8 games or so, with increasing suckage as the season plods along.
I don't know if Wade's surgery was real or not. In this day and age, I don't know what to believe anymore. But I do know THIS: That defense plays better, and tends to be put in the better position on the majority of plays in a game when Wade Phillips is on the sideline. It just looks and feels differently since he's been gone the past two weeks.
There was no End Zone targeted passes. There was not even any real vertical passing attempts. Yates looks good when he's rolling out. Looks shaky when he's standing in the pocket.
Orlovsky, who couldn't find his helmet last year, was hitting slants and back-shoulder comeback routes like crazy. He found a rhythm and he went to work on us. The Colts knew to target Wayne on KJ in the back corner of the end zone on a game-winning pass just like the Falcons did. But for some reason, the Texans defensive staff (chiefly Vance Joseph) cannot foresee this same scenario happening over and over like Groundhog Day. WTF? Geez.
Right Tackle, QB, and WR are very important draft day needs in rounds 1 through 3. For every ball Yates rifles into Dreessen or Walter's hands, he's goofing up and sacking himself or whatever. Winston is blowing hard. And without Andre Johnson, there's no deep threat.
Is OSU's Blackmon worth trading our first round pick, and maybe even MORE to get that guy? I don't see any other beastly WRs (in the Andre Johnson role) except that guy. He's big, fast, freakishly gifted.
The offense looked awful. All the **** that has happened has, IMO, taken its toll on our whole team. Well, I think MAYBE the defense is still trying to beast mode out there (Credit given to JJ Watt, Cushing, Reed, Ryans, hell all of them minus Kareem Jackson).
Our offense looks like they're happy we're locked into the playoffs no matter what we do the rest of the way. Correction: GARY KUBIAK looks like he's happy we're locked into the playoffs no matter what we do the rest of the way. We're just glad to be there! Winston is sucking really hard. And has for the past 8 games or so, with increasing suckage as the season plods along.
I don't know if Wade's surgery was real or not. In this day and age, I don't know what to believe anymore. But I do know THIS: That defense plays better, and tends to be put in the better position on the majority of plays in a game when Wade Phillips is on the sideline. It just looks and feels differently since he's been gone the past two weeks.
There was no End Zone targeted passes. There was not even any real vertical passing attempts. Yates looks good when he's rolling out. Looks shaky when he's standing in the pocket.
Orlovsky, who couldn't find his helmet last year, was hitting slants and back-shoulder comeback routes like crazy. He found a rhythm and he went to work on us. The Colts knew to target Wayne on KJ in the back corner of the end zone on a game-winning pass just like the Falcons did. But for some reason, the Texans defensive staff (chiefly Vance Joseph) cannot foresee this same scenario happening over and over like Groundhog Day. WTF? Geez.
Right Tackle, QB, and WR are very important draft day needs in rounds 1 through 3. For every ball Yates rifles into Dreessen or Walter's hands, he's goofing up and sacking himself or whatever. Winston is blowing hard. And without Andre Johnson, there's no deep threat.
Is OSU's Blackmon worth trading our first round pick, and maybe even MORE to get that guy? I don't see any other beastly WRs (in the Andre Johnson role) except that guy. He's big, fast, freakishly gifted.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
finding it hilarious that this loss has caused the whole 'woe is us we suck again' mentality to resurface.
we didnt go for the kill v the colts (same way we didnt v the jags) and just like v the jags i have no problem with it. for 59 mins i was rly confident that dano couldnt beat us the same way gabbert couldnt and it wouldve been turnovers that lost us the game. it came back and bit us in the ass (with a large assist to the refs).
so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused. the game didnt mean much (we needed help for a bye anyway) and the game has no similiarity to how the playoff game/s will be played (i.e we're going to have to win those games instead of trying not to lose it) . were we conservative v the falcons or bengals??.... you know the actual playoff type games with something on the line.
the real reality of the situation is that that game had nothing to do in predicting our success or play in the playoffs.
we didnt go for the kill v the colts (same way we didnt v the jags) and just like v the jags i have no problem with it. for 59 mins i was rly confident that dano couldnt beat us the same way gabbert couldnt and it wouldve been turnovers that lost us the game. it came back and bit us in the ass (with a large assist to the refs).
so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused. the game didnt mean much (we needed help for a bye anyway) and the game has no similiarity to how the playoff game/s will be played (i.e we're going to have to win those games instead of trying not to lose it) . were we conservative v the falcons or bengals??.... you know the actual playoff type games with something on the line.
the real reality of the situation is that that game had nothing to do in predicting our success or play in the playoffs.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
We needed help and yes, we still need help. It's possible to get the #2 and even the #1 seed still. Probably not gonna happen but I think either the Patriots or Ravens have to lose both remaining games. I trust Miami can beat them but damn why does NE play crashed-down-to-hell Buffalo in Week 17? Bah. Ravens are sloppy and can "easily" lose both games to Cleveland and Cincy. Both teams have pretty tough D and those AFC North games are always fugly and close.
I'd put the whole thing as a 10% shot. Better than nothing, I guess.
Not exactly true. In one of his press conferences he said what he was most upset about was that two of the sacks came when we gave help, the line just didn't play to the help.
On that holding call where Winston got called for the holding. He had Dressen on the outside who chipped Mathis, but Winston allowed Mathis to beat him inside, away from the help.
Kgbmedic
M1 Tanker
I believe it is a by product of games past. This team and fan base have always been bipolar. It doesn't take much to set off a manic attack. These game have no real meaning other than to get TJ some real time play and prepare him for the playoffs. The win out would be nice but if these loses get him some invaluable lessons then so be it.
Or, I could be wrong and it is time to run through the streets with my hair on fire. Either way it has been entertaining.
GP
Go Texans!
We almost lost to the Falcons (Jones dropped a game-winning TD).
We barely beat the Bengals (last second TD throw).
Lost to the Panthers.
Lost to the Colts (via a last-second TD pass by ORLOVSKY).
The offense is stagnant, even with Foster and Tate in there. No Schaub, no AJ, and an o-line that is getting its ass kicked on a regular basis in the pass game.
But you don't "get" the outcry?
I'll have a sip of whatever you're drinking.
ThaShark316
#28
We almost lost to the Falcons (Jones dropped a game-winning TD).
We barely beat the Bengals (last second TD throw).
Lost to the Panthers.
Lost to the Colts (via a last-second TD pass by ORLOVSKY).
The offense is stagnant, even with Foster and Tate in there. No Schaub, no AJ, and an o-line that is getting its ass kicked on a regular basis in the pass game.
But you don't "get" the outcry?
I'll have a sip of whatever you're drinking.
Jones dropped a game TYING TD.
Anyway, I understand the outcry about the last two games. However, to throw in comments about the WINS, is disgusting.
But you don't "get" the outcry?
I'll have a sip of whatever you're drinking.
All this without our best players. We won some games we shouldn't have. We also lost some games we shouldn't have.
We're working on winning a Super Bowl.
Forget what this team was, or what it's supposed to be. This is the team we've got now, it is not a top 10 offense. It is what it is & we've got to find a way to win with what we've got.
Like it or not, the offense did enough to win. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't what we expected but it was enough to win that game.
Sorry, I don't think that comments about wins are disgusting. Example.....Even Kubiak said we played sloppy against the Bengals. If I see a player or players playing there ass off in a WIN OR LOSS I'll bring it up (J.J. Watt and Brice McCain played great football and I said so). On the other hand if a player or players or playing like crap in a WIN OR LOSS I will continue to voice my opinion. Win or loose, at this point in his career, #25 is a liability, and I believe that he should not be on the field. If we beat the Colts by 40 and Winston played like he did last night I would not hesitate to point out his struggles and also point out how the coaching staff did not game plan correctly (leaving him with no help vs a great speed rusher). Win or loose I will call it like I see it. Nobody is going to agree with everything that everyone writes. If you don't agree make a valid argument..... Why do you believe it is "disgusting" to throw in comments about the wins if the one who wrote the comment truly feels that way. Sorry for the rant.
I am sure I did not see it correctly. I need a to find a DVR in Costa Rica, thanks.
ThaShark316
#28
Sorry for what? Rants are fine.
Why not bring it up after the wins. Now that they lost 2 games it's okay? Miss me with that. Don't be sorry about your rant, though. Just like you're going to voice some ish, I'm going to voice mine.
EDIT: Seems like a lot of folks can't function with a winner. Can't wait to see "I'm glad I was wrong" on Saturday, January 7th.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
We almost lost to the Falcons (Jones dropped a game-winning TD).
We barely beat the Bengals (last second TD throw).
Lost to the Panthers.
Lost to the Colts (via a last-second TD pass by ORLOVSKY).
The offense is stagnant, even with Foster and Tate in there. No Schaub, no AJ, and an o-line that is getting its ass kicked on a regular basis in the pass game.
But you don't "get" the outcry?
I'll have a sip of whatever you're drinking.
-firstly i dont see how your post is much of a retort to mine. why summarise the last 4 games (with the typical negative slant of course)? i know you're trying to justify the outcry but how does that relate to my point of the panthers and colts games not being playoff type games?
-despite your negative slant, you still cannot deny that we beat both of the good teams when the playoffs were on the line and lost to the worse teams when we were in. guess which of those games our home playoff game is going to resemble??
-also undeniable is the fact that the offence we saw in those big games v the falcs and bengals, while not as potent as when schaub is in there, was not 'stagnant'. i agree the offence v the colts especially seemed pretty vanilla in comparison. id like to think kubiak must be keeping the better stuff for the playoffs and/or because he didnt think the colts had the firepower to beat us so he kept it v basic.
-lastly, you went on to justify more of the reasoning why there shouldnt be an outcry because we lost! why are ppl mad when theres so many reasons to be dropping games right now. we're getting aj & hopefully briesel back. we're getting wade back. we'll have a home playoff game. thats the game to base your opinions on not some worthless week 16 game v the colts so until then im going to chill the **** out and i wish more ppl would do the same
Just joined the board so that is why have not criticized players after wins. I live in a foreign country and I find this board extremely informative so I joined. You are right, rants are not bad. You make very valid points but when I saw the word "disgusting" used it struck a nerve. Maybe I misunderstood but I thought he had a valid point. Nothing personal.
ThaShark316
#28
No issues here, my man.
fiasco west
All Pro
If the Refs stayed out of the game perhaps now we'd be talking about how the Texans dug down deep again and won.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I think you're wrong about "this loss" being the cause of that. I think it's this loss, the previous loss, and the shaky pair of wins that preceded that loss combined.
It's easy to keep thinking "We'll deal with it" when things are still turning out the way you want them to. It's tough to deny what you're seeing when games you should be winning are ending with a big fat "L" next to them.
I also think that this idea that we're somehow going to turn it on once the games become important again is flawed. We're going to go into the playoffs (at this rate) riding a three game losing streak and if this team can suddenly become competitive again I'll be stunned. Shocked (albeit pleasantly). This is a dangerous preconception if Gary's carrying this around with him. Really good teams have trouble downshifting and then getting back on it. We've been good for about 8 weeks if you can in fact still say that we are "good".
There's plenty of reason to be concerned right now. Plenty of reason to doubt.
Great post Herv.
I hear what you are saying. But, when you watched the Colts Thursday night, did they look like a 1 win team that had no business being on the field? Or did they look like they came to play?
I saw Pierre Garcon handling Jjo. Not that Jjo was half-ass'n it, but Garcon came to play. Freeny & Mathis came to play. Not saying that Winston didn't but we know his limitations. Duane did his thang.
Thinking we should win because the Colts are 1-13 or the Panthers or 5-9 isn't a good way to psyche yourself up for a game.
It's not that I think we can "turn it on" Just like teams are watching film & figuring out our run game & Tj & our defense, we're watching film to find where our shortcomings are & where we can take advantage of some opportunities.
We're working on perfecting the game plan that gives us the best shot at going deep into the play-offs. You know resting those hopes on the shoulders of Tj Yates is not going to get us anywhere.
We've got to get better at running the ball when they know we're going to run. We've got to get better at running the ball when we don't have Aj to stretch the defense.
We've got to get better at protecting our QB when they know he'll fold under pressure. We've got to get better at catching the ball if it's anywhere close (looking at you Jacoby). We've got to get better at catching those underneath throws & turning them up field.
If we're going to win in the play-offs, everybody is going to have to step it up.
& we're going to play to our strengths.
To be concerned? Yes
To doubt? No, I don't see it.
I hear what you are saying. But, when you watched the Colts Thursday night, did they look like a 1 win team that had no business being on the field? Or did they look like they came to play?
I saw Pierre Garcon handling Jjo. Not that Jjo was half-ass'n it, but Garcon came to play. Freeny & Mathis came to play. Not saying that Winston didn't but we know his limitations. Duane did his thang.
Thinking we should win because the Colts are 1-13 or the Panthers or 5-9 isn't a good way to psyche yourself up for a game.
It's not that I think we can "turn it on" Just like teams are watching film & figuring out our run game & Tj & our defense, we're watching film to find where our shortcomings are & where we can take advantage of some opportunities.
We're working on perfecting the game plan that gives us the best shot at going deep into the play-offs. You know resting those hopes on the shoulders of Tj Yates is not going to get us anywhere.
We've got to get better at running the ball when they know we're going to run. We've got to get better at running the ball when we don't have Aj to stretch the defense.
We've got to get better at protecting our QB when they know he'll fold under pressure. We've got to get better at catching the ball if it's anywhere close (looking at you Jacoby). We've got to get better at catching those underneath throws & turning them up field.
If we're going to win in the play-offs, everybody is going to have to step it up.
& we're going to play to our strengths.
To be concerned? Yes
To doubt? No, I don't see it.
TejasTom
All Pro
It was one worse than that. From Friday's press conference.
(on if RT Eric Winstons penalties and pass protection in the last month are a concern) No. Erics a consistent player for us. He struggled with (Robert) Mathis. I mean, theyve got Pro Bowl players on both sides. Two great players, been doing it a long, long time. The biggest disappointment for me, we had four sacks. Three out of those for sacks came when we were actually trying to help our tackles. They werent even singled up. We didnt play well toward our help, without me getting into a bunch of football stuff. We need to play to our help better when were getting it and we didnt do that. Weve got to protect our quarterback a lot better than we did.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
No, we WOULD be talking about that, because the game was over like three times.
The hard cold truth is that the injuries have finally caught up with us. As a 10 year season ticket holder, I'm pretty bitter about this year. We finally have a winning team and because of all these injuries, I can't even enjoy it. What have we done to deserve this? I do think the future looks pretty bright but you never know what will happen from year to year. I sure hope we don't lose Wade.
GP
Go Texans!
Don't be getting all pissy because me and some others aren't patting you on the back and rubber-stamping everything you say.
The new poster had a valid point when he/she said that you can have your opinion, I can have mine, and that you don't have go Drama Queen on me because we differ on the topic. Grow up, and own your posts and stop trying to instigate a fight over it.
Nobody is jumping off bridges over the recent losing streak (as you are implying). Some are just taking a thousand-foot overhead view of the past four games and we don't like the trend. Sue us.
Sorry for what? Rants are fine.
Why not bring it up after the wins. Now that they lost 2 games it's okay? Miss me with that. Don't be sorry about your rant, though. Just like you're going to voice some ish, I'm going to voice mine.
EDIT: Seems like a lot of folks can't function with a winner. Can't wait to see "I'm glad I was wrong" on Saturday, January 7th.
You know what sucks? People on here who play the "Oh me of great virtue!" card when it comes to who has faith in this team and who doesn't. I generally like your analysis and football talk, but the whole "I have faith and others don't" schtick is old.
I didn't bring up the problems after the Cincy game because it would be a dyck move to do so. We just won the AFC South after that win in Cincy, it was time for celebration...not for nit-picking. I also stated that even if we are 1-and-done in the playoffs, that this year would be an alright year in my book--First playoff game in franchise history, first AFC South title in franchise history, and all of this with horrible injuries to our key players on both sides of the ball.
All in all, I try to not be too much homer and not too much Doug Downer either.
The previous poster who said the injuries have caught up with us, IMO, is spot on with that post. At some point, it just happens. Your team has been through so much, you're tired and banged up yourself, and the help is lacking.
GP
Go Texans!
I am going to address this comment because lots of people make this comment and it's just not factual.
Answer me this: We've had 14 games up to the point in time when we faced the Colts. Why would Kubiak "go basic" when teams will be able to FULLY examine the previous 14 games of film on us?
I can understand Kubiak going vanilla in the Jaguars game, he needed to get out of Jax with a healthy QB in Yates.
But this idea that Kubiak is saving stuff for the playoffs? I would like to think that with a FIRST ROUND BYE on the table, that Kubiak would pull out all the stops to get his guys two weeks of rest by winning out the remaining two games.
Instead, the whole game (other than Foster going bananas whenever he touched the ball) was disconnected and looked awkward on offense.
That Colts game was the first time this season that I didn't like anything we did all game long on offense. The play calling was predictable, for this armchair QB at least, and it seemed Herring was also not dialing in the right calls too.
Getting Wade Phillips back will help, IMO. He's more valuable to us than even Joseph and Manning have been, IMO. The guys on defense just have a better chance with him calling the shots and leading the team in and out of the locker room. The offense will not improve unless Winston wises up on pass pro, AJ can remain a factor in games, and Yates makes the right reads...a tall order if you ask me.
We gotta' win with defense. Period.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I definitely get your fustration but this team has not reached the point yet that we can go to a 3rd string QB and do much. I was pleasantly startled Yates did what he did. Gary doesn't trust him? Well, I guess not as he is just a 5th round pick. Not sure if you get that? I want to see Yates after he has OTA's & a T.C. behind him. IMO, he is #2 coming in next year.
You are correct on AJ & JJ but I disagree with you on Daniels. Our team was not set up for a TE to be our #1 go to guy, injuries lead to that and Colts schemed to take him out of equation successfully. That is on Kubiak.
We made huge advances with our last draft and the next one should allow us to fill the hole @WR2 and add strength to our backups. We just are not there yet. I know it was great watching us clinch a division in spite of our injuries.
GP
Go Texans!
Jamie Dukes is looking like a genius now. Which sucks.
He said he didn't see as great of a future in the Texans as he did in the other top AFC teams. Whether by fate, circumstances, or whatever, he's looking like he made the right call.
Doesn't excuse his a-hole'ish comments about how we celebrated the AFC South title, but still...this team appears to be leveling off and settling into a second-tier team in the AFC.
He said he didn't see as great of a future in the Texans as he did in the other top AFC teams. Whether by fate, circumstances, or whatever, he's looking like he made the right call.
Doesn't excuse his a-hole'ish comments about how we celebrated the AFC South title, but still...this team appears to be leveling off and settling into a second-tier team in the AFC.
It's the coaches job to deal with injuries. So I don't cry when we've experienced them. I expect a good coach to be able to pick it up & move on.
I don't think we should have gone undefeated. I really don't put a number on "acceptable" losses until the play-off picture is clear.
We clinched our division at week 14, giving us three weeks to prepare for the play-offs. Working on controlling the game & getting better at what we do. I don't think we should be "experimenting" with personnel or fantasy numbers or turning our rookie 5th round scout team QB into Aaron Rogers.
Think about how we won 7 in a row, that's who we are, that's what we need to perfect. That's the game plan we'll impose our will on play-off teams.
While I don't think the injuries have caught up with us, I do think we had trouble getting Caldwell up to game speed. Eric Winston giving up the sack & hold to his inside may have been because he was expecting Caldwell there. There was another sack where it appears Vickers thought Caldwell was getting beat on the inside so he ran into Yates as he was attempting to throw, causing Tj to pull the ball down & get sacked. Several of our runs, it looked as if Caldwell incorrectly identified the player he needs to block, causing a free runner to the RB.
Caldwell gets better, this team gets a lot better.
Or if Brisiel comes back as strong as Danieal did.
ThaShark316
#28
GP
Go Texans!
Yep.
Outside of this, there's not much else for everyone to talk about. IMO.
Defense. Time of possession. Points on the board, and I ain't talking field goals.
I might add in there the turnover ratio has to be in our favor.
GP
Go Texans!
Hold on, playa.
Bring it all up. Why not? The coach did it. And last I checked, texanstalk.com knows more than Kubiak.
All this big talk that you do, about how people can get on board or get the hell out if we don't believe in the team...the big bad dog barking tactic of saying you're going to laugh at everybody in January after we win...etc....it's just Super Fan bullshit that attempts to divide people on here.
It's easier for you to say that ****, and then if it doesn't happen nobody is going to make fun of you for "having the faith when others didn't." But if your predictions come true, you get to gloat about it and point out how people don't know football and blah blah blah.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that notices it, though. We all expect our team to perform its best, but there's nothing wrong with saying the trending data doesn't look as favorable as it did in the midst of the Falcons and Bengals game.
IMO, the narrow wins vs. Falcons and Bengals coupled with the losses to Panthers and Colts has become a bit unsettling. Multiple factors are in play, but the idea that Kubiak is holding back the offense to not show his cards to a potential playoff opponent is the ultimate "homer" tactic.
Run along and go make your predictable "We're going to win the next ___ games and if you don't believe it then you can leave" thread.
GP
Go Texans!
Awww geez, quit trolling already.
I write NOVEL LENGTH posts that detail my stances on things, for THIS very purpose...so you and nobody else can ever claim I'm merely attacking a person and not the position.
You're just trying to get a jab in on me, and it's absurd to claim that I'm attacking him. You've been butt hurt from day 1 with me because I don't rah-rah! Kareem Jackson like you want me and everyone else to. You even sent me a novel length PM trying to get me to dedicate even MORE time, in private, tot he topic of KJ, which I obliged you ONCE and will never do again. Just put me on ignore if I'm that bad, but don't try to be the judge and jury around here on things like this. Geez almighty. LOL.
ThaShark316
#28
All this big talk that you do, about how people can get on board or get the hell out if we don't believe in the team...the big bad dog barking tactic of saying you're going to laugh at everybody in January after we win...etc....it's just Super Fan bullshit that attempts to divide people on here.
I joked around on that whole post. The
It's easier for you to say that ****, and then if it doesn't happen nobody is going to make fun of you for "having the faith when others didn't." But if your predictions come true, you get to gloat about it and point out how people don't know football and blah blah blah.
That "I know more than you" stuff won't ever come out my mouth.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that notices it, though. We all expect our team to perform its best, but there's nothing wrong with saying the trending data doesn't look as favorable as it did in the midst of the Falcons and Bengals game.
That's what I'm saying. Speak on it after the Ws too. Don't change for the sake of "not being an asshole". Be an asshole if you have to. You don't have to lie to kick it. (Look up the term "lie to kick it" if you have no clue what I mean, sir.)
IMO, the narrow wins vs. Falcons and Bengals coupled with the losses to Panthers and Colts has become a bit unsettling. Multiple factors are in play, but the idea that Kubiak is holding back the offense to not show his cards to a potential playoff opponent is the ultimate "homer" tactic.
Run along and go make your predictable "We're going to win the next ___ games and if you don't believe it then you can leave" thread.
I won't...yet. Shark Fassel returns in 2012 though.
My answers are in bold. Now "Run along" and type out your reply/novel.
That game was the first time in NFL history that a 1 win team beat a 10 win team.
Let that sink in for a moment. Do you understand why 10 win teams don't lose to 1 win teams? And can you now see why this might be disconcerting to some Texans fans?
As far as the game not meaning anything...let's not forget playoff positions and the Texans history in Indy. That game had meaning. Unfortunately, now it means something else with the Texans bringing home yet another crappy NFL first record for our scrapbook.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
We could go 0-16, and you'd never think we sucked and you'd still be dishing out these attacks at other fans or posters in here who give out constructive criticism on how the coach calls a game or how management runs this franchise. Hell, all last season in just about every post I read of yours you were defending our HC who went 6-10 in his 5th season as a HC and launching the "super fan" attacks.
I don't see anyone stating that this team sucks now. That's a flat out lie or feel free to show me several posts where fans are stating that we suck now. If you didn't think that you'd see or hear some concerned fans after losing to a team that was in disarray with Dan O. at QB, than I'm not sure what planet you were living on, but you can be rest assured that even Packers fans would be a little bit ticked off at losing a game like that right now when division seeds are on the line and that game DID MEAN SOMETHING whether you want to act like it did or not. It determined playoff seed.
I think this hits the nail on the head. For those that still don't get it, WE ARE NOT A TEN WIN TEAM, & have not been since Matt II broke his collar bone. Add a new right guard into the mix (with some obvious communication issues) & you get what we got.
We've got a team that needs to learn how to win, how to take that game plan you saw Thursday & score 37 points against a completly inferior opponent like the Bucs or the Colts.
Kubiak has one more week to get her done, or it's one & done.
The bolded is where fans' expectations must be tempered by reality.
It's not 'doom and gloom' to recognize that our current talent level places this team in a precarious position, one that will most likely result in a three game losing streak going into the playoffs.
After the Falcons and Bengals games, it seemed like the collective talent and will of the team could overcome losing Schaub.
The last two games proves otherwise. I like Yates, but honestly, this would be a 6-8 win team if he was the starting QB from game 1. Now that defenses have tape on him, he's playing like a rookie QB thrown to the wolves.
I wouldn't go that far. He's still a pretty poised QB. I don't know that we have any measurable that say he is getting better yet, but he looks like he's making "smarter" decisions, as conservative as they may be.
I don't think he's any more hurried by the pass rush than he was since his first snap. I did see a little panic when Vickers ran into him & made him pull the ball down & I did see him ignore the left half of the field & scramble on one of his 3rd down throws.
But if Kubiak is happy with the direction Tj is going, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
You can have all the defense you want. If you can't score, that defense doesn't mean a lick of a ****.
yep. Like Warren Sapp said, defenses may win championships, but they don't march down the field in a two minute drive to win the game. That's all offense.