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TJ Yates

EVOLVIST said:
Right. Which was part of my point. One can snap a photo of a QB at any point in his throwing motion and you can see what looks like he's throwing from his ear hole, like the Marino photo.

But scope Yates below as he relases the ball.

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Regardless, the solid attributes you listed above are nice. Those balls had a comet's tail on them. But also, a low release or not (which I don't think he has), that double pump on the pass to OD (though it was incomplete), shows the presence of mind he has with a lineman jumping in front of his face.

One can only hope we don't see too many batted balls.

Edit: BTW, what's with the tea-sippin' pinky thing Yates has going on with his non-throwing hand in both photos? Maybe we are truly screwed! :thinking:
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Does anyone know how Schaub's release compares? He's had a number of balls batted at the line of scrimage, though perhaps this is a result of his banged-up shoulder and hip?
 
LikeMike said:
So if that`s the case, we should get a high draft pick next season - or have a good QB in Yates. I wouldn`t sell the bank this year because the price would be too high. There never is a guarantee and lots of QBs end up being a disappointment (remember when Alex Smith was the safe pick with serious doubts about Aaron Rodgers?). So just go with it this year, find out at which position we draft and then look at our future. I´m pretty sure we`ll have Schaub back before the start of next season. He might not be as mobile... well he never was mobile.

But I like the thought of a young promising franchise QB sitting a year or two behind Schaub. Maybe we should trade with Indy for Luck ;-)
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I thought Leinart looked fine. Not earth shattering, ground breaking, or a world beater, but if you remember the two weeks before, we weren't expecting him to try to prove crap.... just manage the game. & he did.

I don't expect him to play "that way" forever, just until he's comfortable with the players around him @game speed.

If TJ isn't the answer, Leinart gets another shot until Schaub is ready to go.

As has been said before, Rick Smith, GK, Dennison, Wade, Cal, & Bob should evaluate the team and address holes & needs as they see fit. If they feel QB requires a first, second, or third round pick, so be it.
 
I thought Leinart looked pretty terrible. I thought he was way too tentative. But he did look pretty good on that TD pass... AND... as bad as he looked, we put up 17 points in less than a half with him at the helm against a team that held us to 24 in a full game earlier in the season.

He didn't get a lot of yards and the ypa was fer ****, but it was efficient.

I think we're going to need more production from the QB spot against better teams. But I could be wrong. We could make this work like the Broncos are making their situation work.
 
Something I really liked hearing was that TJ Yates was the guy throwing Andre balls during rehab. He threw a LOT to AJ.

So they should have some chemistry.
 
LikeMike said:
I´ve just done a litte research since I don`t know much about college football... it seems like there are 4 potential franchise QBs in the next draft (Luck, Barkley, Griffin and Jones) - all of which should go between 1 and 11. The next QB has a 3d round grade (Tannehill).

So if we want one of the big 4 we need to get at least a top 10 pick. With us probably picking in the 20s, that will be expensive - think Falcons in the last draft. Would you really be willing to give up that much for a potential franchise QB? Think about it, the alternative is going with Schaub (or Yates if he has a kick ass year) - and using all those picks you saved to fill the holes of your team. Maybe get Floyd to fix the WR problem, Ta`amu to fill the NT problem or DeCastro to get a kick ass O-Line. And that`s only the first round.

I´d say no matter how bad Yates play - if Schaub gets healthy, only take a QB if one of the big 4 falls below #15. Otherwise just take bpa...
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Im sorry but 4 potential Franchise QBs ???? Really ? How many top 10 QBs come out of the NFL draft and actually become successful ? Heres a list that might ring a bell as potential Franchise College QBs.

2002

1st round 1st pick David Carr - NO
1st round 3rd pick Joey Herrington - NO

4th round 108th pick David Garrard - Better than the 2 first rounders

2003

1st round 1st pick Carson Palmer - He was ok
1st round 7th pick Byron Leftwich - He was ok
1st round 19th pick Kyle Boller - NO
1st round 22nd pick Rex Grossman - NO

2004

this was by far the best QB draft class of the century with
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Big Ben
all going in the top 15.

then you have
3rd round 90th pick Matt Schaub - YES

2005

1st round 1st pick Alex Smith - Been a bust until this season so its iffy

then

1st round 24th pick Aaron Rogers - YES
1st round 25th pick Jason Campbell - ????

then

4th round 106th pick Kyle Orton - sorta
6th round 213th pick Derek Anderson - Took the browns to the play-offs
7th round 230th pick Matt Cassel - YES
7th round 250th pick Ryan Fitzpatrick - started the bills off 5-0 not bad

2006

1st round 3rd pick Vince Young - NO
1st round 10th pick Matt Leinart - NO

then

2nd round 64th pick Tavaris Jackson - Not looking to terrible

2007

1st round 1st pick Jamarcus Russell - HELL NO
1st round 22nd pick Brady Quinn - NO

then

2nd round 36th pick Kevin Kolb - Jurys still out

2008

1st round 3rd pick Matt Ryan - YES
1st round 18th pick Joe Flacco - YES

2009

1st round 1st pick Matthew Stafford - So far yes
1st round 5th pick Mark Sanchez - Nothing special
1st round 17th pick Josh Freeman - Hes a starter

2010

1st round 1st pick Sam Bradford - Looks good
1st round 25th pick Tim Tebow - they are winning but wont for long with him


2011

well we all know those results.

NOW undrafted QBs

Kurt Warner - YES
Jeff Carcia - had success
WARREN MOON - Enough said
Tony Romo - ewwww


So you tell me, what are the odds we will find a franchise QB in the 1st round ??? How about we give yates a shot surely he has just as good of a chance as that no name 7th round pick tom brady. Sorry but this list is proff that the scouts and "experts" and college stats are wrong more times than not.

So heres to our new starter Yates :)
 
Perhaps a better way to look at it is to take a look at the current top 10 QBs by Rating this season:

1. Aaron Rodgers -- 1st round
2. Tom Brady -- 6th round
3. Drew Brees -- 2nd round
4. Tony Romo -- UDFA
5. Matt Schaub -- 3rd round
6. Eli Manning -- 1st round
7. Ben Roethlisberger -- 1st round
8. Alex Smith -- 1st round
9. Matthew Stafford -- 1st round
10. Matt Ryan -- 1st round

In the past 12 years, there have been 32 QBs taken in the first round. 6 of them are highly ranked right now.

Drafting a QB in the first round is a crap shoot.
 
EllisUnit said:
Im sorry but 4 potential Franchise QBs ???? Really ? How many top 10 QBs come out of the NFL draft and actually become successful ? Heres a list that might ring a bell as potential Franchise College QBs.

2002

1st round 1st pick David Carr - NO
1st round 3rd pick Joey Herrington - NO

4th round 108th pick David Garrard - Better than the 2 first rounders

2003

1st round 1st pick Carson Palmer - He was ok
1st round 7th pick Byron Leftwich - He was ok
1st round 19th pick Kyle Boller - NO
1st round 22nd pick Rex Grossman - NO

2004

this was by far the best QB draft class of the century with
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Big Ben
all going in the top 15.

then you have
3rd round 90th pick Matt Schaub - YES

2005

1st round 1st pick Alex Smith - Been a bust until this season so its iffy

then

1st round 24th pick Aaron Rogers - YES
1st round 25th pick Jason Campbell - ????

then

4th round 106th pick Kyle Orton - sorta
6th round 213th pick Derek Anderson - Took the browns to the play-offs
7th round 230th pick Matt Cassel - YES
7th round 250th pick Ryan Fitzpatrick - started the bills off 5-0 not bad

2006

1st round 3rd pick Vince Young - NO
1st round 10th pick Matt Leinart - NO

then

2nd round 64th pick Tavaris Jackson - Not looking to terrible

2007

1st round 1st pick Jamarcus Russell - HELL NO
1st round 22nd pick Brady Quinn - NO

then

2nd round 36th pick Kevin Kolb - Jurys still out

2008

1st round 3rd pick Matt Ryan - YES
1st round 18th pick Joe Flacco - YES

2009

1st round 1st pick Matthew Stafford - So far yes
1st round 5th pick Mark Sanchez - Nothing special
1st round 17th pick Josh Freeman - Hes a starter

2010

1st round 1st pick Sam Bradford - Looks good
1st round 25th pick Tim Tebow - they are winning but wont for long with him


2011

well we all know those results.

NOW undrafted QBs

Kurt Warner - YES
Jeff Carcia - had success
WARREN MOON - Enough said
Tony Romo - ewwww


So you tell me, what are the odds we will find a franchise QB in the 1st round ??? How about we give yates a shot surely he has just as good of a chance as that no name 7th round pick tom brady. Sorry but this list is proff that the scouts and "experts" and college stats are wrong more times than not.

So heres to our new starter Yates :)
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:thinking:
 
EllisUnit said:
Im sorry but 4 potential Franchise QBs ???? Really ? How many top 10 QBs come out of the NFL draft and actually become successful ?
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That`s why I said "potential". Those are guys that teams will be comfortable with spending really high draft picks on - guys that they hope will be their franchise QB. Of those 4 probably not more than 1-2 guys will be a starter in 4 years, while the others might be out of the league or backups.

Actually you made my point. It is way to expensive to trade up to get one of those guys - you have no guarantee that they work out. Actually I guess more than 50% of the QBs in the first round don`T live up to their potential.

So just stay put at the draft or move up a couple of spot to get a player you really like (Floyd?). But don`t give away a bunchload of picks for one of those QBs.
 
LikeMike said:
That`s why I said "potential". Those are guys that teams will be comfortable with spending really high draft picks on - guys that they hope will be their franchise QB. Of those 4 probably not more than 1-2 guys will be a starter in 4 years, while the others might be out of the league or backups.

Actually you made my point. It is way to expensive to trade up to get one of those guys - you have no guarantee that they work out. Actually I guess more than 50% of the QBs in the first round don`T live up to their potential.

So just stay put at the draft or move up a couple of spot to get a player you really like (Floyd?). But don`t give away a bunchload of picks for one of those QBs.
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i say we see how yates does before we worry about drafting a guy, we may be looking at our future superbowl MVP as we speak !
 
false start said:
excellent, thanks man.

The dude looked like he had no fear. He came in and showed balls. I just hope kubiak doesn't dumb it down, and not at least try and get some medium range (10-15 yards) passes off.
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johnson on yates: "when he came into the huddle once leinart went down, he came in there and was like “what’s up fellas? Let’s go.”
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lets do dis!!
 
EllisUnit said:
i say we see how yates does before we worry about drafting a guy, we may be looking at our future superbowl MVP as we speak !
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This^(except for superbowl mvp. That's for AJ)

I don't think we draft a qb if yates doesn't do well. He would have to be grossman bad. And yates and leinart proved they are not grossman bad. Remember last year when grossman filled in for schaub and screwed that game for us? Leinart and Yates both showed they are better than that and he is starting else where.

Also, kubiak and smith have shown they stick with their guys. And their guys get second chances. Jacoby, Kareem, Slaton, and more if I think about it enough.

Next draft we don't draft a QB in the first round. Kubiak will go with Yates or Leinart depending on how Yates will do because Schaub will be on the PUP.
 
iLoveTexans said:
I believe in Yates! Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9cxMHezHI&feature=related
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At the 4:01 mark, two things: One good, one bad.

1.) Now that's an NFL QB footwork! Better than Lienart by far.

2.) He was staring down a covered Jacoby Jones and didn't even look to his left at a wide open KW. Granted, it was man and they brought the blitz, so the pocket collapsed in a hurry, but he never looked left.

a.) I hate it, but it could have very well been one of those "1-read" plays the Texans are so fond of sporting, i.e. AJ wide left and KW in the slot as decoys and you're banking on a favorable matchup one-on-one to the right.

b.) Or...well, he just didn't look left.
 
EVOLVIST said:
At the 4:01 mark, two things: One good, one bad.

1.) Now that's an NFL QB footwork! Better than Lienart by far.

2.) He was staring down a covered Jacoby Jones and didn't even look to his left at a wide open KW. Granted, it was man and they brought the blitz, so the pocket collapsed in a hurry, but he never looked left.

a.) I hate it, but it could have very well been one of those "1-read" plays the Texans are so fond of sporting, i.e. AJ wide left and KW in the slot as decoys and you're banking on a favorable matchup one-on-one to the right.

b.) Or...well, he just didn't look left.
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It would help of you can tell us the down and distance and the game clock.
 
76Texan said:
It would help of you can tell us the down and distance and the game clock.
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You mean they've got that in the NFL? :throwball:

1st and goal at the 6 yard line, 0:41 to play in the half. It's where they called Yates for intentional grounding.

Some could argue that he could have even scooted to his left to get a better angle at KW. But that's armchair quarterbacking for you, especially if you are viewing it in slow-mo.
 
EVOLVIST said:
You mean they've got that in the NFL? :throwball:

1st and goal at the 6 yard line, 0:41 to play in the half. It's where they called Yates for intentional grounding.

Some could argue that he could have even scooted to his left to get a better angle at KW. But that's armchair quarterbacking for you, especially if you are viewing it in slow-mo.
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Originally, there was a CB on Walter (30 Coleman - who came in on a blitz after chipping Walter to buy the safety a little time) and a safety over the top to help on either AJ or Walter.
IMO, Yates made the right decision to go with single coverage on JJ.
He saw the LBin the passing lane, however, and decided to try to get out toward the sideline, but couldn't, and so he threw the ball away.

He could have stayed in the pocket, but I think, as a rookie, he's probably taught to try to extend the play by rolling out, and if he can't, to just throw the ball away.

Sidenote (to SteelBlue I think), Yates was inside the tackle box and therefore the right call was intentionally grounding.
The tackle box is defined as the areas between the OTs pre-snap.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Perhaps a better way to look at it is to take a look at the current top 10 QBs by Rating this season:

1. Aaron Rodgers -- 1st round
2. Tom Brady -- 6th round
3. Drew Brees -- 2nd round
4. Tony Romo -- UDFA
5. Matt Schaub -- 3rd round
6. Eli Manning -- 1st round
7. Ben Roethlisberger -- 1st round
8. Alex Smith -- 1st round
9. Matthew Stafford -- 1st round
10. Matt Ryan -- 1st round

In the past 12 years, there have been 32 QBs taken in the first round. 6 of them are highly ranked right now.

Drafting a QB in the first round is a crap shoot.
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Still looks like your chances of getting a "Starting QB" are better with 1st rounders.
 
Kind of a silly question; Does TJ get any kind of increase in pay going from 3rd to 1st team?
 
thunderkyss said:
Still looks like your chances of getting a "Starting QB" are better with 1st rounders.
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If there's one thing that all of us should of learned by now is that most big hyped college QBs can't transition to the nfl. If you look at all of the nfls current starters you will see more than half were not high draft picks. And let's be honest a guy like tebow will not continue to have success.

I just think yates deserves a shot to be our future QB we all see that he has the tools, and the confidence seems to be there as well. Just saying don't write him off cause he's a fifth rounder.
 
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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck
Perhaps a better way to look at it is to take a look at the current top 10 QBs by Rating this season:

1. Aaron Rodgers -- 1st round
2. Tom Brady -- 6th round
3. Drew Brees -- 2nd round
4. Tony Romo -- UDFA
5. Matt Schaub -- 3rd round
6. Eli Manning -- 1st round
7. Ben Roethlisberger -- 1st round
8. Alex Smith -- 1st round
9. Matthew Stafford -- 1st round
10. Matt Ryan -- 1st round

In the past 12 years, there have been 32 QBs taken in the first round. 6 of them are highly ranked right now.

Drafting a QB in the first round is a crap shoot.

Still looks like your chances of getting a "Starting QB" are better with 1st rounders.


Out of the 32 drafted in the first round - where are the other 26 not listed?
 
Kimmy said:
Kind of a silly question; Does TJ get any kind of increase in pay going from 3rd to 1st team?
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Not unless there were special incentives built into his contract.......which I would doubt would be the case in a 5th rounder that was not expected to be anything but a 3rd string QB.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Not unless there were special incentives built into his contract.......which I would doubt would be the case in a 5th rounder that was not expected to be anything but a 3rd string QB.
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Right, and I don't think that any draft pick has incentives either.
Unless the new CBA change things, that is!
 
I tell you all, I'm excited about this kid and what he can do. Its going to be fun watching him take this team into the playoffs. I just have a good feeling about him and hope he can be our guy for the next 10 years.

I was never sold on "checkdown" Leinart, and Matt Shaub just has never proven to me that he has "IT".

TEAM YATES
 
Texcore said:
I tell you all, I'm excited about this kid and what he can do. Its going to be fun watching him take this team into the playoffs. I just have a good feeling about him and hope he can be our guy for the next 10 years.

I was never sold on "checkdown" Leinart, and Matt Shaub just has never proven to me that he has "IT".

TEAM YATES
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To see a rookie with very little practice time lead his team in the two-minute
drill without flinching was a thing of beauty. I can't wait to see what he looks
like with a week of preparation.
 
Texcore said:
I was never sold on "checkdown" Leinart, and Matt Shaub just has never proven to me that he has "IT".
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Schaub is a good QB, in the ranks of the "very solid" but not the "elite", but I think he's pretty much "maxed out" -- pretty much hit his ceiling. I think what we've seen is the best we can realistically expect. We don't know Yates' ceiling yet -- could be lower, could be higher, and while I'm nervous about finding out here and now, I'm also anxious and even a little eager to find out. I did like what I saw at the end of the first half.
 
Joe Giglio from the Charlotte Observer who covered TJ Yates in college at UNC joined Mike Meltser and they discussed TJ Yates and what to expect out of the rookie quarterback.
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This guy was on Mike Meltser's show this morning, he had a lot of good things to say about Yates. It sure as hell made me feel a little bit better, lol.

Here is the audio.

BTW I'm all in with the kid, I even changed my avatar for the first time in years, lol.
 
Grams said:
Out of the 32 drafted in the first round - where are the other 26 not listed?
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That was in the original post I was responding to. But here's the #1 list again, going back to 2000 (and it's only 31, I miscounted):

1. Cam Newton
2. Jake Locker
3. Blaine Gabbert
4. Christan Ponder

5. Sam Bradford
6. Tim Tebow

7. Matthew Stafford
8. Mark Sanchez
9. Josh Freeman

10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco

12. JaMarcus Russell
13. Brady Quinn

14. Vince Young
15. Matt Leinart
16. Jay Cutler

17. Alex Smith
18. Aaron Rodgers
19. Jason Campbell

20. Eli Manning
21. Philip Rivers
22. Ben Roethlisberger
23. J.P. Losman

24. Carson Palmer
25. Byron Leftwich
26. Kyle Boller
27. Rex Grossman

28. David Carr
29. Joey Harrington

30. Michael Vick

31. Chad Pennington
 
ziggy29 said:
Schaub is a good QB, in the ranks of the "very solid" but not the "elite", but I think he's pretty much "maxed out" -- pretty much hit his ceiling. I think what we've seen is the best we can realistically expect. We don't know Yates' ceiling yet -- could be lower, could be higher, and while I'm nervous about finding out here and now, I'm also anxious and even a little eager to find out. I did like what I saw at the end of the first half.
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Shaub is good, at bus driving. He has never been the guy that can carry this franchise on this shoulders and beat teams on his own the way elite and other top tier QBs have/do. How many possible game winning drives have we seen end on a Schaub INT....way too many. That is why I hope Yates finds success, because I am done with Matt Schaub.

But you are right, we don't know what Yates is. But I'm excited to find out.
 
Texcore said:
Shaub is good, at bus driving. He has never been the guy that can carry this franchise on this shoulders and beat teams on his own the way elite and other top tier QBs have/do. How many possible game winning drives have we seen end on a Schaub INT....way too many. That is why I hope Yates finds success, because I am done with Matt Schaub.

But you are right, we don't know what Yates is. But I'm excited to find out.
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I think Yates has the potential to he better than Schaub, but Schaub has led this team in game winning drives before. Let's not forget that. He has shown that he can be clutch.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
I think Yates has the potential to he better than Schaub, but Schaub has led this team in game winning drives before. Let's not forget that. He has shown that he can be clutch.
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Exactly. While we all want Yates to do something now that we finally are getting to the playoffs, to throw the QB that helped get us there under the bus is a tad premature.
 
I have no doubt that we will miss Schaub, especially if they make the playoffs.

However, since that's not going to happen, I'm happily hoping that Yates is The Man in my koolaide inebriated state. At this point, I just refuse to get negative until they do something stupid like lose the next 5 games.

*knocks on wood*
 
GuerillaBlack said:
I think Yates has the potential to he better than Schaub, but Schaub has led this team in game winning drives before. Let's not forget that. He has shown that he can be clutch.
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Thats pretty lofty expectations for a 5th round draft choice.


While Schaub wont ever be confused with Tob Brady , Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees ..... He's in the group just below them even if his W/L record doesnt match theirs the team around him , more specifically the defense has a lot to do with that over the course of his career. He's a top 8 NFL QB.
 
Texcore said:
Shaub is good, at bus driving. He has never been the guy that can carry this franchise on this shoulders and beat teams on his own the way elite and other top tier QBs have/do.
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Maybe so. But teams built primarily on defense and the running game rarely need a "bus driver" QB who can carry the team on his back. They need a game manager -- one who efficiently executes the offense, may not be a great passer or have a rifle arm but is good enough to force the defense to respect the pass and move the chains, one who makes good decisions and minimizes turnovers.

Schaub is definitely in the top 10-12 QBs in the game but not in the top 5 -- he's somewhere in the "very solid" category in between. With defense and a running game, that should be good enough most of the time (save for the really bad decisions like the end of the Oakland game). Nevertheless, while I wish it wasn't under these circumstances or with this timing, I am looking forward to seeing whether or not Houston's QB of the future is already in the stable.
 
Texcore said:
Shaub is good, at bus driving.
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Yeah, 9000+ yards in two years, something only 6 NFL QB's have ever done, is bus driving. And funny how he has done it with according to many people crap WR's other than AJ.

He has never been the guy that can carry this franchise on this shoulders and beat teams on his own the way elite and other top tier QBs have/do. How many possible game winning drives have we seen end on a Schaub INT....way too many.
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How many game winning drives have we seen in the past couple years have we seen Schaub orchestrate only to have Kris Brown miss a field goal or the D to turn around and allow a game winning drive to the opposing team? - way too many.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah, 9000+ yards in two years, something only 6 NFL QB's have ever done, is bus driving. And funny how he has done it with according to many people crap WR's other than AJ.



How many game winning drives have we seen in the past couple years have we seen Schaub orchestrate only to have Kris Brown miss a field goal or the D to turn around and allow a game winning drive to the opposing team? - way too many.
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Yeah, a defense half as good as this year's would have gotten us to the playoffs the past couple of years with our offensive production.

Interesting to note that the majority of "elite" QBs also have good defenses that can hold a lead. Manning is the only one that I can think of that has not had a consistently good D.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yeah, a defense half as good as this year's would have gotten us to the playoffs the past couple of years with our offensive production.

Interesting to note that the majority of "elite" QBs also have good defenses that can hold a lead. Manning is the only one that I can think of that has not had a consistently good D.
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GB's pass defense gives up more yardage (20) that last years Texans defense. Tho they do cause a lot of turnovers.
 
Corrosion said:
GB's pass defense gives up more yardage (20) that last years Texans defense. Tho they do cause a lot of turnovers.
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True, but they have a solid run defense. Currently ranked 13 in that category.

Tied for 11th in sacks, so that helps that poor pass coverage, as well.
 
Schaub is good. He is not as good as:

- Peyton Manning
- Tom Brady
- Aaron Rodgers
- Drew Brees
- Philip Rivers (though he is having a real down year)
- Ben Roethlisberger
- Eli Manning (Eli is way more clutch - the first 3 quarters Schaub may be better)

After that it gets tough. Flacco, Ryan, Vick, Stafford all might be better or worse - the jury is still out on Newton and Dalton.

The thing about the first list: with the exception of Rivers all of those guys have a ring - while none of the others have one. But the other thing about the first list: you have to be really lucky to land a guy like that. There is no guarantee that Luck will once be in that list. And Bradford right now looks rather unimpressive...

A guy like Schaub probably doesn`t win you a Superbowl. But he sure won`t lose you a Superbowl. He is a guy that 20 other teams would like to have - and a guy with whom we can win a Superbowl (if our defense and running game stay as good as they are).

Now if Yates can become a player like Schaub we`d be a real lucky team. But please don`t expect too much - there is a reason why he was a 5th round pick. There is some promise, but there are also a lot of question marks. If everything goes as usual he may become a borderline #2 QB.
 
For what it's worth, another quarterback that used initials as his name had an illustrious career. Here's hoping that TJ Yates puts up Y. A. Tittle numbers.... not to mention the first three letters of TJ's last name match up perfectly... Destiny! :)
 
LikeMike said:
Schaub is good. He is not as good as:

- Peyton Manning
- Tom Brady
- Aaron Rodgers
- Drew Brees
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I stop it right there.

- Ben Roethlisberger
- Eli Manning

Schaub fits in with these guys, in my estimation. What Roethlisberger and Manning have had that Schaub hasn't up to this point is a defense and a running game. Schaub is like the Marino in these guys (I'm not saying he's as good as Marino) -- Schaub doesn't have the Super Bowls but he's better from a statistical standpoint. He's done things passing yardage wise these guys haven't matched.

- Philip Rivers
I think he's horribly over-rated and without the right pieces around him (like Sproles and LT back in the day and a great defense), he's starting to show his weaknesses.

Flacco, Cutler, Stafford, Ryan... these guys are in this group as well. Good players but they've still got to "do it." Schaub is above them because he's been able to do statistically more with less.

The thing is... all of these guys are good enough to win Super Bowls, in my estimation. They just need the right pieces around them and some luck.
 
Brady, Roethlisberger, and Eli all benefited from great defenses early in their
careers. No reason TJ can't do the same.
 
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